The reality is that both teams are where they're supposed to be at this
time due to their increase in level of competition and their recruiting
limitations. BYU will always be a mid-major because its recruiting base is very
narrow due to the university's honor code. It will get a blue chip player
on occasion and perhaps have a break out season once every decade, but this is
how it's going to be. The University of Utah will be mid-majorish within
the PAC-12 for quite awhile until it gets its competitive footing in the PAC-12
and upgrades its stadium and facilities. Coach Mendenhall does need to make
improvements to the team's offensive coaching staff, but this will prove
difficult because good and experienced offensive coordinators who are will to
live BYU's honor code are hard to come by. Also, BYU needs to join the Big
East to make scheduling easier. If Notre Dame had to make an arrangement with
the ACC for five games, BYU needs to do something similar. Regarding the
Ute's offensive staff, they will need time to develop while its
inexperienced offensive coordinator figures things out.
I think that overall Mendenhall has done quite well. I think that any BYU fan
who thought that BYU would go up in back to back weeks against top ten teams and
whomp on both of them is myopic to a major degree. Bronco can't go out
there and throw the ball for Riley. He can't go out there and make tackles
that his guys are missing. Sit down in your Lazy Boy and let the guy coach.
Somehow BYU fans think that BYU should be a perennial top 5 power house. As The
Rock notes, BYU has moved up in its scheduling strength, not down.
Keep om keeping on.
Bring back Norm Chow (for the Cougars). His record shows that he is a good
offensive coach but unlikely to last as the head coach at UH.
People that want Kyle Whittingham fired need to fire whomever is running their
brain. Whittingham is a class act that will turn the Utes around within the
next couple of years. The Utes may not win a conference championship every
other year under him, but the Utes will win one under him more often than almost
any other coach they could find. I personally am proud to say Kyle Whittingham
is the Utah Utes football coach. There aren't a lot of coaches out there
that I would be proud to call the coach of my team.Go Utes!!!
Sorry, Brad. I've got you hitting .500 are far as your opening sentence:
"Because neither Utah nor BYU will be attending a prestige bowl this year
— and maybe no bowl..." So long as BYU reaches the 6-win minimum, they
were contractually obligated to the Poinsettia Bowl. Period. "And maybe no
bowl?" The Cougs are currently 5-4 & enter their traditional Nov WAC
schedule for their last 3 games. They will likely enter the bowl w/ an 8-4 or
7-5 record. I know this particular fan wasn't expecting them to go to any
other bowl game this season...because of your next statement: "Some are
saying new coaches are needed to take those teams to the next level." Count
this Cougs fan in as agreeing with that statement for Coach Bronco. As an
independent, I believe the "team" (not just defense) has stagnated. With
his assistant-coaching choices, I don't believe Bronco has what he needs to
push the Cougs through that glass ceiling to the next level of nat’l
prominence. Collectively, we are very inconsistent in playing strong, balanced
games against better competition. Such consistent wins is what gets a team to
the next level.
I predict within the next 25 years both schools will have new head coaches.
I find it very interesting that the former three top teams in the Mountain West
are clearly struggling since leaving that conference. Utah has only
three wins -- only one against a team with a winning record (BYU). The utes are
likely to close out their season losing to Washington & Arizona and beating
WSU & CO and unlikely to go to a bowl.BYU is above .500, but
it's only win against a team with a winning record is Utah State. The
cougs will win their remaining games, but the only team with a winning record is
San Jose State.TCU is 5-3, but has no wins against teams with
winning records. The frogs close out their season against four ranked teams and
could easily be 5-7 and shut out of a bowl appearance.No matter how
you look at it, these three teams that seemed ready for the jump to BCS
conferences or independence are not presently measuring up to their promise.
Those two guys will be too hard to get rid of. We all knew what Gary Crowton
did, his second year we kept on losing at home and too many players were running
afowl with Honor Code. So BYU had to let him go after his 3rd year. Sure Utah,
go ahead fire Kyle Whit and BYU better take him as new Head Coach and Bronco
might gladly to demote himself to as Head D's Coach at the Y and Kyle might
call Norm Chow to come back as OC Coach. Yep, I am dreaming which will never
happen. How about Randy Ried or Mike Holgrem coming back at the Y? Again, I am
dreaming. I am happy to have Bronco on our side but wishing we knew what he was
thinking on some last stretched to those three games that should have been a win
here. I also don't think we would let him go after 2013 monster schedule.
Oh yeah, it is November and I might as well not watch those wac games and start
watching BYU Bssketball.
metamoracoug,....and anyone else who believed that the Cougars,
Utes, and Horned Frogs would move up and not miss a step - you haven't been
paying attention.You may not like to admit it, but we are seeing
evidence that MWC success doesn't translate to Pac-12 or Big-12 success.
Everyone who isn't a MWC/WAC homer has been telling us that for years, but
many of us readily chalked that opinion up to bias or prejudice.
To me the issue with both these programs is not with the head coaches but with
the staffs each of them have assembled. I feel strongly as a UTE fan that our
Co-ordinators and position coaches are being completely out coached every week
in the PAC-12. BYU fans probably feel the same way about there coaches. One of
the main reasons Urban Meyer had such tremendous success in his 2 years at Utah
was because he assembled a tremendous staff. This is something Kyle Whittingham
has completely failed to do even after 8 years of trying. If these 2 coaches are
1 day let go it will be because of the bad hires they have made and not because
of there own coaching ability.
@utejunky70Actually their assistant coach hirings are part of their
coaching ability. If they are not able to assess coaching tlaent when hiring
their assistants then it reflects on their ability to be head coaches.
@Utejunky70 and Duckhunter,I agree with you you for the most part
Utejunky70 (relative to the assistants), although not across the entire
board.I also agree with Duckhunter, but in Whitt's case, his
shortcoming in hiring assistants is his lack of relationships within the
coaching tree. Thus, he sticks with former Cougars and Utes, not always a bad
choice, but somewhat limited. I think Kyle feels he can find guys who love the
state and will stick around. This is true with Roderick who was downgraded and
still stayed on the staff. Kyle does well working with assistants
and building them on the defensive side. On offense, I think Kyle stays involved
in a positive sense, but hires the wrong guys on the side of the ball Kyle is
weaker on personally. Whitt hired Ludwig ( apro set guy) to run the post Urban
spread. Mistake there. Norm Chow made sense, but Utah failed to recruit ab extra
QB as a Wynn back up to run the offense. Now, we have BJ, whom I am
not down on as much as thinking he was not yet ready for the position.
In Bronco's case, I think he gave in to the pressure of Provo (relative to
firing Anae). Bronco often shrugs off the pressure as Bronco knows his fan base
is up in the night much of the time. But the mentality to ditch quality OCs goes
way back to Chow (although other issues were a factor there). Still, Bronco
should have kept Anae in my opinion. I told my Cougar friends this when it was
the current event. Now years later, I see myself still in the right here. Bronco, like Kyle, has made offensive coaching mistakes, but I
don't think Bronco has reared his defensive coaches as well as Kyle. Kalani
Sitake has increased in his responsibilities at Utah, where Bronco can't
decide if he is head coach or defensive coordinator.
Keep these guys...fire Doman and johnson and send riley to the showers now that
the silly season has begun,