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NBA scout says Jimmer Fredette 'has no future in the NBA'

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  • EJB BLANDING, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    This guy is just trying to stir the cauldron. He doesn't have anything good to say about anyone. My Mom would tell him not to say anything at all if he couldn't say something good. His Mother probably would straighten him out as well. Go get 'em Jimmer!

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    I would agree with most of the assessment. Jimmer is decent at creating his own shot though, even at the NBA level.

  • teleste Austin, TX
    Oct. 27, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    40 free throws against Wyoming and 50 points against Air Force DOES NOT an NBA player make.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    EJB

    This guys is not trying to stir anything. He is doing his JOB. If you're an NBA scout you have to give honest assessments of players, and you have to be right most of the time or you won't have a job for long.

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Oct. 27, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    Here's hoping that scout gets Jimmered. :-)

  • toocoolforcoug Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    There are very few really good offensive players that can or will play defense. They think they don't have to. I find them to be lazy. They want all the glory where it is seen the most, shooting. Jimmer was good in college. He had no one to compete with on the floor. The rest of the team was pretty much a bunch of glorified high school players. Face it he put the ball up at BYU because they didn't have anyone else who could. He always looked a lot better than he actually is. He will be in Europe soon where he won't have to play defense.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Oct. 27, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    The guy doesn't say anything good about ANY of the Kings players. Is it really because the players are bad? Or is it bad coaching? A bad all-around organization?

    The word that really seemed to stand out to me from the article was "clueless." From top to bottom that seems to describe the team from management to play on the court. Jimmer never had a chance in such an organization. Most of us knew he wouldn't be a front line star. But he could have had a chance to be a good shooter off the bench had he ended up with a team with a clue.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Oct. 27, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    "The rest of the team was pretty much a bunch of glorified high school players. Face it he put the ball up at BYU because they didn't have anyone else who could"

    Whatever your criticisms of Jimmer, your remarks about the rest of the team are simply unfair and unwarranted. Those same "glorified high school players" made the NCAA tournament last season.

  • Scandrus Cedar Hills, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    @Toocoolforcoug "a bunch of glorified high school players.".....you have no idea what you are talking about, Jackson Emery, Brandon Davies and Noah Hartsock were all very good college players and you don't go to the sweet 16 with a bunch of "glorified high school players'!!

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Oct. 27, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    I loved watching Jimmer in college. . and I thought he would be a spot up shooter in the NBA. Jimmer is a great person . . and a good athlete for a college player.

    Is he NBA calibre? He hasn't shown that ability yet.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Well he's certainly no Damian Lillard, but not many people are. Many reasonable people worried that he didn't have overall skills for the NBA (defense, passing, speed, basically everything other than shooting)--they are looking to be correct.

    I agree with Scandrus, I think he had a good surrounding team which helped him get more points. The teams that were smart realized that and did not try to shut down Jimmer by double-teams, but instead to let him take about half of the shots for the game for BYU. Sure he would get 25 points, but it neutralized good players like Jackson Emery. I remember watching that Florida game down the final minutes, I thought Fredette was going to take his shoes off and throw them at the hoop.

    Looks like the Great White Hope is a Great White Nope. Good kid though, got a great payday and a few years in the NBA, wish him nothing but the best.

  • Mark D LAS VEGAS, NV
    Oct. 27, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    Speaking as an ASU Alum (Sun Devil), Jimmer does have some unique talents that were stellar in College. The NBA, however, isn't College. IMHO, Jimmer can find a place in today's NBA - just not sure what or where that is. But for anyone (including an NBA Scout) to suggest that he's not NBA material seems like more "fodder" than "fact".

    I've never really understood the whole BYU/Utah venom that seems to spew on these boards - I wish both schools well. I don't have a horse in the BYU race - but I do have a horse in the PAC-12 race, and I think Utah fans need to concentrate on being relevant in the PAC-12, not in worrying about a school not in their "league".

    Just my 2 cents...

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    Thats not true! We are awesome and Jimmer is why. He was the best player ever from this State and byu is the best team ever from this state.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    hahaha byu fans still think they know more than the PROFESSIONALS. wow the delusion will forever live on in happy valley.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Oct. 27, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    I've been saying this since the day he was drafted. Just because he was good "college material" doesn't translate into the NBA. Really...

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 27, 2012 7:47 p.m.

    Jimmer had better finish his degree...

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 28, 2012 6:27 a.m.

    Ernest: You know he's from NY, right?

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    I hate to say "I told you so", but... not really... I LIKE saying "I told you so!"

    I told you so.
    I told you so.
    I told you so....

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Oct. 28, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    Time will answer all these question. But in the meantime feel free to continue to guess, belittle and justify.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    It appears 90% of you, including that NBA scout, didn't watch Jimmer's college career from the start.

    1. Jimmer is driven, which many NBA players aren't. The driven excel, the rest just keep making teams.

    2. In college, Jimmer wasn't allowed to play much defense to keep his scoring on the floor. Simple as that. He's already a much better defender in the NBA than he was in college because he now has the chance to work on it. Still a long way to go, but he HAS improved.

    3. Jimmer's biggest claim to fame wasn't his high scoring, it was HOW he did it:

    a) consistently from VERY long distance and no NBA player has that capability;

    b) going to the basket, which he's shown he can do in the NBA, if you've bothered to watch; and

    c) great free throw shooting, which he'll get to do because he IS willing to go to the basket.

    He'll jimmer his doubters again. It took him 4 years in college to do it. It'll take a few years in the NBA, too.

    He's driven.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    "I hate to say "I told you so", but... not really... I LIKE saying "I told you so!"

    I told you so.
    I told you so.
    I told you so...."

    Y ask Y,

    I hope you are on here in a few years when Jimmer is known to be a good NBA player to get your fair share of crow. It is foolish to make such a bold prediction after a single year. Note: I got better at my profession after my first year. Shocking, isn't it?

  • ATiredDude Sandy, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    Jimmer will be at least as good as Shawn Bradley in the NBA.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    You know thing are in a bad spot when Jimmer's bigger brother is more successful at his rapping career then Jimmer is at NBA basketball. The guy will be playing in Greece in a year or two, if his career continues at all.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe

    That's right, you know more than the NBA scouts and don't let any amount of facts tell you otherwise.

    -NBA players are driven. You don't get to the professional level in any sport without a serious amount of drive.

    -Jimmer was not discouraged from playing defense in college. This is easily one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

    -Many NBA players have great range, but coaches generally don't let their players shoot from 30 ft. because it is bad basketball. Jimmer is too small and slow to compete at the NBA level. Truth hurts.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 28, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    Why are Utah fans piling on? Oh, that's right, it's how they feel good about themselves.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    Just one season and the final judgement?? He has at least a three year contract and at least would be a throw in on a trade. Let's see where we are in 2014..

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 28, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Professional NBA scouts have been dead wrong on so many players that it's laughable to put any stock in the opinion of a single scout just because it's his "job".

    There are lots of NBA teams that could use a spot-up three point shooter. Jimmer just needs to find the right team to fit his skill set.

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Oct. 28, 2012 6:54 p.m.

    I hope Jimmer ultimately proves this scout wrong but until he does, I have to agree with him. Jimmer is undersized which means he has to guard point guards and he can't. Everyone knows that. If he can't guard point guards, who does he guard? A taller and more physical shooting guard? That doesn't work either. So, he definitely is a defensive liability. Jimmer's best skill is shooting and if the team he is playing on has doubts about his abilities and doesn't give him the green light, that can seriously mess with an athlete's head. I believe that is what has happened here. If Jimmer doesn't get that fixed, he very well could be in Europe in within the next year or two.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 11:29 p.m.

    @3grandslams

    You said, "Why are Utah fans piling on? Oh, that's right, it's how they feel good about themselves."

    Apparently you haven't clicked on any of the Utah basketball articles of late. Talk about a lot of people piling on to feel good about themselves! But why don't you go on believing BYU fans are so different. What a joke ... kind of like Jimmer's NBA career. Doh!

  • Angela08 Rochdale, MA
    Oct. 29, 2012 3:45 a.m.

    Jimmer should have gone on a mission.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 29, 2012 7:23 a.m.

    The LA Lakers could use him. Yes, I said it.

    They could use him as a spot-up 3 point shooter, a la Steve Kerr. He would get 6-12 points per game, but make the inside loosen up for the bigs and for Kobe's drives to the hoop.

    Currently MWP is in this role, and is far too inconsistent.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    Then Sacramento don't need him and let him go to other nba team. A lot of those players has too much selfish in themselves and refused to work as a team. One of these days they will be Jimmered!

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    What?!? Who could have predicted this??

  • AK UTE Palmer, AK
    Oct. 29, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    NBAScouts are usually pretty spot on with their assessments so this assessment should be taken seriously. NBA game is so different from the MWC and the college level.

    Jimmer was a great college player but that does not mean they will be great in the pros. Jimmer might have been the best college player to come out of the state but an argument could be made for guys such as Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, Danny Ainge just to name a few....don't be so quick to give Jimmer the spot! Most of the previously mentioned made it in the NBA for long careers I think Jimmer is on his way to Europe.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    @ Two For Flinching

    If you think all NBA players are "driven," you must look up to all of them. Very few deserve to be looked up to. Most are spoiled and are just happy to be there.

    You obviously didn't watch many of Jimmer's college games, or you would have noticed his coach ranting on him for committing fouls. Happened numerous times on TV, and probably more that the TV didn't catch.

    Name me ONE NBA player who has had consistent shooting from way beyond the 3-pt line. Just ONE. There isn't any.

    It's Jimmer's ability to hit with the same percentage from way outside as the better 3-pt shooters can do from the trey line that made him such a sensation in college---not just his scoring alone. Others have led the nation in scoring, but never had his populatity nationally as a college player. His RANGE was the difference.

    BTW, "range" means hitting the same percentage from your furthest shooting distance as most players hit from further in.

  • el steve o Herriman, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    This Scout is like all the rest of the dopes out there who don't know what they're talking about, I can't believe Brad Rock even gives this any attention. I point out one example, "he can't create his own shot", are you kidding me? There are very few players in the NBA that Jimmer can't make look silly. Jimmer in the open court is very dangerous, deadly one on one. How does he do this? Quikness, strength, agility, and a mountain of intangibles! He's fearless and often successful, about taking the ball to the hoop, as well as his range. Come on people.

    How many so called, NBA wash-outs, can score 20 to 30 points in a game, bring their team back from deficits, and get their teamates to jump enthusiastically off the bench with exicetment, and get the fans back into the game? (and then get pulled to sit the bench for the next quarter!) All of these things Jimmer can and has done many times in his rookie season. He's not finished yet!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Reminds me of a local here, Adam Morrizon. Great at the college level, but can't play defense in the NBA.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    They were saying the same things about Steve Young during his tenure at Tampa Bay.... Hall of Famer, Steve Young.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    @ rlsintx

    Steve Young didn't play defense either. Then again, he didn't have too, he played QB. You do realize there's quite a difference between basketball and football don't you?

  • numer35 Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    What is in it for you?

    Jimmer can not shot over bigger more athletic players no matter what distance he is trying to do it from. He can't get to the rim because he is too slow and small, and he wasn't allowed to play defense in college because he was and still is horrible at it in even shape and form. He should start working on his Eurostep and be happy that he can make money playing basketball somewhere.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    @ numer35

    Love your rose colored glasses.

    You apparently haven't seen him play in the NBA. He does just fine.

  • HuskyVa SPOTSYLVANIA, VA
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    You all are being rather silly. Ah yes, I just used the word "silly". Worst case is Jimmer gets another couple of years in the NBA trying to find his place. If he is unable to, he goes to Europe, where he will still make millions of dollars and get to enjoy a different culture. Oh, how utterly horrible that would be. Even Roger Reid's favorite recruit, MR. Burgess, a perennial bench warmer at Duke, made a career for himself in Europe. If you have money, Europe is a fabulous place to live.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    they said the same thing about Roger Staubach, the All-American QB from Navy. But he just went on to become the greatest QB in Dallas Cowboy history. Yes, it took him a few years.They didn't think he could play QB, they tried him at receiver, but he knew he could play QB and they finally gave him a chance--and the rest is history. I would not count Jimmer out in the NBA. Just because he's a white guy playing in a black league, don't bet against this white boy who could probably beat any of the All-stars in a one on one game.