This guy is just trying to stir the cauldron. He doesn't have anything good
to say about anyone. My Mom would tell him not to say anything at all if he
couldn't say something good. His Mother probably would straighten him out
as well. Go get 'em Jimmer!
I would agree with most of the assessment. Jimmer is decent at creating his own
shot though, even at the NBA level.
40 free throws against Wyoming and 50 points against Air Force DOES NOT an NBA
EJBThis guys is not trying to stir anything. He is doing his JOB.
If you're an NBA scout you have to give honest assessments of players, and
you have to be right most of the time or you won't have a job for long.
Here's hoping that scout gets Jimmered. :-)
There are very few really good offensive players that can or will play defense.
They think they don't have to. I find them to be lazy. They want all the
glory where it is seen the most, shooting. Jimmer was good in college. He had no
one to compete with on the floor. The rest of the team was pretty much a bunch
of glorified high school players. Face it he put the ball up at BYU because they
didn't have anyone else who could. He always looked a lot better than he
actually is. He will be in Europe soon where he won't have to play defense.
The guy doesn't say anything good about ANY of the Kings players. Is it
really because the players are bad? Or is it bad coaching? A bad all-around
organization?The word that really seemed to stand out to me from the
article was "clueless." From top to bottom that seems to describe the
team from management to play on the court. Jimmer never had a chance in such an
organization. Most of us knew he wouldn't be a front line star. But he
could have had a chance to be a good shooter off the bench had he ended up with
a team with a clue.
"The rest of the team was pretty much a bunch of glorified high school
players. Face it he put the ball up at BYU because they didn't have anyone
else who could"Whatever your criticisms of Jimmer, your remarks
about the rest of the team are simply unfair and unwarranted. Those same
"glorified high school players" made the NCAA tournament last season.
@Toocoolforcoug "a bunch of glorified high school players.".....you have
no idea what you are talking about, Jackson Emery, Brandon Davies and Noah
Hartsock were all very good college players and you don't go to the sweet
16 with a bunch of "glorified high school players'!!
I loved watching Jimmer in college. . and I thought he would be a spot up
shooter in the NBA. Jimmer is a great person . . and a good athlete for a
college player.Is he NBA calibre? He hasn't shown that ability
Well he's certainly no Damian Lillard, but not many people are. Many
reasonable people worried that he didn't have overall skills for the NBA
(defense, passing, speed, basically everything other than shooting)--they are
looking to be correct.I agree with Scandrus, I think he had a good
surrounding team which helped him get more points. The teams that were smart
realized that and did not try to shut down Jimmer by double-teams, but instead
to let him take about half of the shots for the game for BYU. Sure he would get
25 points, but it neutralized good players like Jackson Emery. I remember
watching that Florida game down the final minutes, I thought Fredette was going
to take his shoes off and throw them at the hoop.Looks like the
Great White Hope is a Great White Nope. Good kid though, got a great payday and
a few years in the NBA, wish him nothing but the best.
Speaking as an ASU Alum (Sun Devil), Jimmer does have some unique talents that
were stellar in College. The NBA, however, isn't College. IMHO, Jimmer
can find a place in today's NBA - just not sure what or where that is. But
for anyone (including an NBA Scout) to suggest that he's not NBA material
seems like more "fodder" than "fact".I've never
really understood the whole BYU/Utah venom that seems to spew on these boards -
I wish both schools well. I don't have a horse in the BYU race - but I do
have a horse in the PAC-12 race, and I think Utah fans need to concentrate on
being relevant in the PAC-12, not in worrying about a school not in their
"league".Just my 2 cents...
Thats not true! We are awesome and Jimmer is why. He was the best player ever
from this State and byu is the best team ever from this state.
hahaha byu fans still think they know more than the PROFESSIONALS. wow the
delusion will forever live on in happy valley.
I've been saying this since the day he was drafted. Just because he was
good "college material" doesn't translate into the NBA. Really...
Jimmer had better finish his degree...
Ernest: You know he's from NY, right?
I hate to say "I told you so", but... not really... I LIKE saying "I
told you so!"I told you so.I told you so.I told you
Time will answer all these question. But in the meantime feel free to continue
to guess, belittle and justify.
It appears 90% of you, including that NBA scout, didn't watch Jimmer's
college career from the start.1. Jimmer is driven, which many NBA
players aren't. The driven excel, the rest just keep making teams.2. In college, Jimmer wasn't allowed to play much defense to keep his
scoring on the floor. Simple as that. He's already a much better defender
in the NBA than he was in college because he now has the chance to work on it.
Still a long way to go, but he HAS improved.3. Jimmer's biggest
claim to fame wasn't his high scoring, it was HOW he did it:a)
consistently from VERY long distance and no NBA player has that capability;b) going to the basket, which he's shown he can do in the NBA, if
you've bothered to watch; andc) great free throw shooting,
which he'll get to do because he IS willing to go to the basket.He'll jimmer his doubters again. It took him 4 years in college to do it.
It'll take a few years in the NBA, too.He's driven.
"I hate to say "I told you so", but... not really... I LIKE saying
"I told you so!"I told you so.I told you so.I
told you so...."Y ask Y,I hope you are on here in a
few years when Jimmer is known to be a good NBA player to get your fair share of
crow. It is foolish to make such a bold prediction after a single year. Note:
I got better at my profession after my first year. Shocking, isn't it?
Jimmer will be at least as good as Shawn Bradley in the NBA.
You know thing are in a bad spot when Jimmer's bigger brother is more
successful at his rapping career then Jimmer is at NBA basketball. The guy will
be playing in Greece in a year or two, if his career continues at all.
WhatsInItForMeThat's right, you know more than the NBA scouts
and don't let any amount of facts tell you otherwise. -NBA
players are driven. You don't get to the professional level in any sport
without a serious amount of drive.-Jimmer was not discouraged from
playing defense in college. This is easily one of the most ridiculous things
I've ever read.-Many NBA players have great range, but coaches
generally don't let their players shoot from 30 ft. because it is bad
basketball. Jimmer is too small and slow to compete at the NBA level. Truth
Why are Utah fans piling on? Oh, that's right, it's how they feel good
Just one season and the final judgement?? He has at least a three year contract
and at least would be a throw in on a trade. Let's see where we are in
Two For FlinchingProfessional NBA scouts have been dead wrong on so
many players that it's laughable to put any stock in the opinion of a
single scout just because it's his "job".There are lots
of NBA teams that could use a spot-up three point shooter. Jimmer just needs to
find the right team to fit his skill set.
I hope Jimmer ultimately proves this scout wrong but until he does, I have to
agree with him. Jimmer is undersized which means he has to guard point guards
and he can't. Everyone knows that. If he can't guard point guards, who
does he guard? A taller and more physical shooting guard? That doesn't work
either. So, he definitely is a defensive liability. Jimmer's best skill is
shooting and if the team he is playing on has doubts about his abilities and
doesn't give him the green light, that can seriously mess with an
athlete's head. I believe that is what has happened here. If Jimmer
doesn't get that fixed, he very well could be in Europe in within the next
year or two.
@3grandslamsYou said, "Why are Utah fans piling on? Oh,
that's right, it's how they feel good about themselves."Apparently you haven't clicked on any of the Utah basketball articles of
late. Talk about a lot of people piling on to feel good about themselves! But
why don't you go on believing BYU fans are so different. What a joke ...
kind of like Jimmer's NBA career. Doh!
Jimmer should have gone on a mission.
The LA Lakers could use him. Yes, I said it. They could use him as
a spot-up 3 point shooter, a la Steve Kerr. He would get 6-12 points per game,
but make the inside loosen up for the bigs and for Kobe's drives to the
hoop.Currently MWP is in this role, and is far too inconsistent.
Then Sacramento don't need him and let him go to other nba team. A lot of
those players has too much selfish in themselves and refused to work as a team.
One of these days they will be Jimmered!
What?!? Who could have predicted this??
NBAScouts are usually pretty spot on with their assessments so this assessment
should be taken seriously. NBA game is so different from the MWC and the
college level. Jimmer was a great college player but that does not
mean they will be great in the pros. Jimmer might have been the best college
player to come out of the state but an argument could be made for guys such as
Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, Danny Ainge just to name a few....don't be so
quick to give Jimmer the spot! Most of the previously mentioned made it in the
NBA for long careers I think Jimmer is on his way to Europe.
@ Two For FlinchingIf you think all NBA players are
"driven," you must look up to all of them. Very few deserve to be looked
up to. Most are spoiled and are just happy to be there.You obviously
didn't watch many of Jimmer's college games, or you would have noticed
his coach ranting on him for committing fouls. Happened numerous times on TV,
and probably more that the TV didn't catch.Name me ONE NBA
player who has had consistent shooting from way beyond the 3-pt line. Just ONE.
There isn't any.It's Jimmer's ability to hit with the
same percentage from way outside as the better 3-pt shooters can do from the
trey line that made him such a sensation in college---not just his scoring
alone. Others have led the nation in scoring, but never had his populatity
nationally as a college player. His RANGE was the difference.BTW,
"range" means hitting the same percentage from your furthest shooting
distance as most players hit from further in.
This Scout is like all the rest of the dopes out there who don't know what
they're talking about, I can't believe Brad Rock even gives this any
attention. I point out one example, "he can't create his own shot",
are you kidding me? There are very few players in the NBA that Jimmer can't
make look silly. Jimmer in the open court is very dangerous, deadly one on one.
How does he do this? Quikness, strength, agility, and a mountain of intangibles!
He's fearless and often successful, about taking the ball to the hoop, as
well as his range. Come on people. How many so called, NBA
wash-outs, can score 20 to 30 points in a game, bring their team back from
deficits, and get their teamates to jump enthusiastically off the bench with
exicetment, and get the fans back into the game? (and then get pulled to sit the
bench for the next quarter!) All of these things Jimmer can and has done many
times in his rookie season. He's not finished yet!
Reminds me of a local here, Adam Morrizon. Great at the college level, but
can't play defense in the NBA.
They were saying the same things about Steve Young during his tenure at Tampa
Bay.... Hall of Famer, Steve Young.
@ rlsintxSteve Young didn't play defense either. Then again, he
didn't have too, he played QB. You do realize there's quite a
difference between basketball and football don't you?
What is in it for you?Jimmer can not shot over bigger more athletic
players no matter what distance he is trying to do it from. He can't get to
the rim because he is too slow and small, and he wasn't allowed to play
defense in college because he was and still is horrible at it in even shape and
form. He should start working on his Eurostep and be happy that he can make
money playing basketball somewhere.
@ numer35Love your rose colored glasses.You apparently
haven't seen him play in the NBA. He does just fine.
You all are being rather silly. Ah yes, I just used the word "silly".
Worst case is Jimmer gets another couple of years in the NBA trying to find his
place. If he is unable to, he goes to Europe, where he will still make millions
of dollars and get to enjoy a different culture. Oh, how utterly horrible that
would be. Even Roger Reid's favorite recruit, MR. Burgess, a perennial
bench warmer at Duke, made a career for himself in Europe. If you have money,
Europe is a fabulous place to live.
they said the same thing about Roger Staubach, the All-American QB from Navy.
But he just went on to become the greatest QB in Dallas Cowboy history. Yes, it
took him a few years.They didn't think he could play QB, they tried him at
receiver, but he knew he could play QB and they finally gave him a chance--and
the rest is history. I would not count Jimmer out in the NBA. Just because
he's a white guy playing in a black league, don't bet against this
white boy who could probably beat any of the All-stars in a one on one game.