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White House e-mails blow up its Libya cover story

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    You mean Obama lied
    I am shocked, absolutely shocked (not really)

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 24, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    Darn, Obama caught in yet another lie! Don't worry Democrats, the news media has Obama's back and will just sweep this under the rug along with fast and furious, Solyndra, GSA scandles,the White House intelligent leaks and the "recovering" economy. Hey, maybe Obama will issue another executive order and have the Benghazi murder investigations "sealed".

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Dictatorships can only control the people when the media is an adjunct to their tyranny.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Mendacity or is it incompetence, thy name is Obama.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    Such silliness. Anytime there is a crime against Americans, there are numerous groups claiming responsibility. While it is unusual that conservatives vehemently trust the word of terrorists over their own goverment, it explains so much. These are the same yahoos who trusted terrorists when they said "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" even though our intelligence agencies said "No, Iraq does not." We had to spend billions of dollars and hundreds of lives to show that our intelligence agencies were right all along.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    what lie? Please tell us exactly what he said that was a lie. Did he claim at any point to not having receivced these emails or about anything in there actaul content? So far every claim you all have made has turned out to be wrong.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 24, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    Can someone please help me understand why Democrats demand and accept so little from Obama but demand so much from everyone else?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    @Tolstoy

    "what lie? Please tell us exactly what he said that was a lie."

    lie
    1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
    2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
    3. an inaccurate or false statement.

    Obama/Rice/Clinton all claimed it was about a silly video - not terrorism: How would you classify that obfuscation?

    Or are you "all in" on rationalizing Obama's Pinocchio politics

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    Oct. 24, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Every day, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence compiles intelligence from the CIA and other intelligence agencies and provides the White House with the President's Daily Brief. This is understood to be the very best intelligence available.

    From September 15 to September 21, the CIA told the president in the President's Daily Brief that the attack in Libya evolved from a protest. The President reflected this intelligence in his comments about the attacks.

    So what, exactly, did the president do wrong? David Patraeus is now the director of the CIA. Does this blog mean to imply that the President should have ignored the briefings the CIA provided and instead formed his own conclusions based upon the email the White House received?

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    Oct. 24, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence: You asked, "Obama/Rice/Clinton all claimed it was about a silly video - not terrorism: How would you classify that obfuscation?"

    Do you believe that CIA director David Patreaus and the CIA lied when they told the White House the attacks evolved from the demonstration? Why didn't you list Patreaus in the list of people who obfuscated and/or lied about what happened? After all, that is the source that Obama and the State Department relied upon in their assessment of what happened.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    And the WhiteHouse Staff didn't wake up Ronald Reagan to tell him what was happening every minute of everyday in every part of the world.

    The President is not God, people.

    There IS such a thing as Chain of Command.

    ================

    BTW - I listened to Glenn Beck go off about this morning too....

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    "Why didn't you list Patreaus in the list of people who obfuscated and/or lied about what happened?"

    Because he was not on the front lines telling the public a story long after they knew it was false

    But if you want to add him to the list - that is fine by me

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    Yes, LDS Liberal, Obama is not God. Deity does not lie. It's the Nixonian cover up (It was a protest, Oh - Hillary Clinton was to blame, no one knew, gosh we get lots of emails, it was someone else's fault, ad infinitum. All of which have been disproved.) of gross incompetence that compounds the betrayal of Americans in Libya. The WH is the Keystone Cops of foreign policy.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    On the 8th of April 2004 it was revealed that, on August 6, 2001 bush was warned of impending attacks on US soil. Remember that? I do. The Guardian notes that, at the time of the warning memo, "Mr Bush was on a month-long "working holiday" at his Texas ranch and spent much of the following days fishing and clearing undergrowth on his land. He did not cut short his vacation or apparently take dramatic steps in response to the briefing." For whatever indignation people can come up with here, I'm more comfortable with President Obama than MittRo or republicans in general. People here have despised President Obama since day one. That doesn't make romney a better choice.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 7:29 p.m.

    I'm sure the same people calling for Obama's head were also calling for Reagan's head after Iran Contra....

    Right repubs?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    Who cares if this was an act of organized terrorism or the result of a demonstration on a stupid movie gone bad?

    4 Americans were killed. Lets work on preventing these acts from occurring again. If that requires sanctions or restricting foreign aid to these countries, then do it. If that requires us beefing up security, then do it. If it requires that we maybe shut down a few embassies around the world in these hot spots, then do it.

    I personally don't care whether it was a crime, terrorism, or senseless violence in a demonstration about the movie.

    It seems like the only folks trying to politicize this are from the far radical right. A few months ago it was the "you didn't build this" thing. Now that that has run its course, now they're grasping at straws again.

    Folks, why 4 Americans were killed doesn't matter. The fact is that they were killed and we should work on preventing these types of incidents from happening no matter who the President is.

    STOP TRYING TO SCORE POLITICAL POINTS on this.

    Focus on your own foreign policies instead of agreeing w/Obama on everything.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    @CI
    please quote and site when exactly Obama said it was about the video. full quote please.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    @CI
    Know that you have looked up the meaning of a lie will you please stop spreading them? Obama stated at least three times in the first two days he thought it was an act of terror.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 24, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    Finally!

    Finally someone in the media had the courage to tell us exactly who Obama is and what he has been doing during all of his political career.

    "The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" is not something just found on Perry Mason. Every President of the United States is expected to be above reproach and to tell the whole truth. The liberals will stutter and stammer with their "yeah buts". They will continue to try to mislead and to use guile, but the evidence is before us.

    If we are so foolish that we will ever believe another word coming from Obama's mouth, then we deserve to be misled.

  • Ying Fah Provo, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah

    Do you, CI and Mountain Man have a direct line to the basement strategizing sessions where these talking points are developed and put out to the right-wing radio talking heads? I know the election is just two weeks away and everyone is getting their rage on. The four-year dream of eliminating Barack Obama is so close, and yet, there is theis palpable fear that he might win again.

    Talking points are just a regurgitation of someone else's thinking. They don't add substance but do give a "feeling" that the individual repeating this stuff is contributing. But be careful of flaming. The trolls are out in force, but for all their bellicosity, they are either sounding off to the choir or completely ignored for what they are.

    We have seen "seriously conservative" Mitt morph into "moderate" Mitt and then finally transform into Obama II. It will be interesting to learn who he really is if elected. Certainly the Tea Party faithful will be watching to see if "their guy" stands tall. They certainly don't want "compromise" Mitt working across the aisle. They want "Paul Ryan" Mitt, tough talk and all.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 7:23 a.m.

    Look at how many have swallowed Obama's lies, hook, line and sinker. Look at how many are telling us that the White House had so many emails coming in that a direct attack on one of our embassies was somehow overlooked. Look at how many think, along with Obama, that the Americans are complete fools.

    Enough is enough!

    Obama lied to us. He and his administration have tried to cover up the terrorist caused deaths of four Americans. He and his administration either laid in their beds while we were under attack, or they conspired to tell us that a "movie" had incited a mob to attack our embassy.

    They knew from the beginning that TERRORISTS were attacking. They knew from the beginning that NO MOVIE was involved. They lied to us. Some of you believe their lies. Some of you excuse their misconduct. Some of you accept that they continued to lie to us for two weeks after the killings. Some of you would accept anything that Obama says.

    That is the whole point of the Washington Post article. He blatantly lied and you just don't care.

    What a nation of sheep we are becoming.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    @spring street

    Obama immediately sent his surrogate, Susan Rice, onto the talk shows the first Sunday after the attack to claim it was the video. Sending hench(wo)men to lie so he would not have to get too dirty, is a particularly cowardly form of lying
    I assume you are not an Ostrich - therefore you can see it for yourself. Also; A good source is the timeline listed in Forbes (if that is not too right-wing for you to read)

    @Phranc
    Obama has refereed to generic "acts of terror" multiple times before and after September 11, 2012, and his story morphed as he went on Letterman, the View and the Daily Show, but he did not specifically call Libya an act of terror until two weeks after the event (after the video defense had completely crumbled) One good reference is the Daily Mail Thursday, Oct 25 2012
    BTW: You are not in a position to lecture about lying

    @Ying Fah
    Does Stephanie Cutter email you the latest talking points?
    Although I will offer my sympathy - it must be difficult for you to watch "the one" self destruct (no real help from me, Mountainman or Mike Richards required)

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    Are we to assume that even after two weeks, the administration did not know the facts concerning this? Because two weeks later, they are still saying it was a riot as the result of a video. If after two weeks they didn't know, that's even more scary because these people must have their head in the sand when it comes to foreign policy and events. This was a mess before and a mess after. The difference here is plain and simple. They lied and tried to cover up the fact that Al Queda was not dead, but still alive.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    It seems that to deny terrorist activity has been a policy for some time now.

    When a gunman opens fire (at a shopping mall etc) it has been hard to ascertain his name, cultural roots and opinions etc. We are told almost immediately that "we do not know why he did it" and even "we will never know" (!?)

    When a militant shoots fellow soldiers in the presence of many others and there is no mystery whatsoever about the motivation it is described as a "work related" (not a terrorist) incident. We do our best to make it appear what it is not, and that it is not what it is.

    This incident is more of the same "approach" to terrorism; as far as possible (and even beyond perhaps) officially deny terrorism and find very little if any. We killed one terrorism therefore terrorism is dead? No on ould say that but I think we are meant to believe it to some extent.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    @Counter Intelligence
    I don't even know how one could think it illogical that Obama was referring to the Libya attack as an act of terror when he uses the phrase act of terror in a statement about attacks on our embassies and consulates.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    @Counter Intelligence
    I don't even know how one could think it illogical that Obama was referring to the Libya attack as an act of terror when he uses the phrase act of terror in a statement about attacks on our embassies and consulates.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    @alt
    its not abut logic with CI.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    @CI
    Obama statements:


    "No Acts Of Terror Will Ever Shake The Resolve Of This Great Nation." 
(9/12/2012 Rose Garden)


    So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America.
(9/13/2012 Golden CO)

"
    As for the ones we lost last night: I want to assure you, we will bring their killers to justice. And we want to send a message all around the world -- anybody who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America." 
(9/13/2012 Las Vegas NV)

  • War dog Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    If you don,t know truth about why four Americans were killed, how can you stop anymore deaths

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Oct. 25, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    Puleeeeeze, the same poeple that believe Regan to be a hero and just forgot he was selling guns illegally ON PURPOSE. "I don't recall....."

    This is much about nothing.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 25, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    It is despicable that Romney (and Republicans) couldn't wait to politicize the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and other foreign officers. Americans should come together and allow the dead the dignity and honor of their sacrifice.

    These emails don't change the story at all. Reports were coming in, data was being examined. The Pres and others spoke of acts of terror AND the unrest across Muslim countries associated with the video. It appears so far, the attackers in Libya took advantage of the violence/unrest in other countires as a cover. Even if a group claims responsibility, verification is required. It was/is a fluid situation.

    Democrats just utterly fail at sound bites and talking points. Republicans just cant't deal with complexity and nuance, everything is a conspiracy.

    Pathetic.