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Letter: Romney's binder, only 25 percent of his staff were women

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  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 6:35 a.m.

    How many of his staff were women when he took office? Was there a change? Did he actively try to find qualified women? Did he succeed?

    How many women hold high office in Obama's "staff"? How many cabinet members are women? How many woman Generals or women Admirals has he appointed? In the crisis photos that were shown around the world when he "got" bin Laden, how many women were in that photo? I remember seeing Ms. Clinton. How many others?

    Of course, any honest person would admit that Romney actively tried to change things and he succeeded. He changed the make-up of his staff. He hired women. More women worked for him than had worked for the Democrat who held that office before Mitt.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    This is such a crock.

    How many of the applicants were women? Who was the most qualified?

    Is this a free economy or must there be quotas in employment? Government takeovers of the motor industry? Sales taxes on necessities? Where is there a free economy? Hong Kong perhaps. Shame.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    Wow, imagine that. Mitt says one thing while in reality the exact opposite was the case.

    Mitt will just about anything to become elected.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    To answer some of J Thompson's really quite excellent questions:
    There were no women in management positions at Bain Capital.
    In Massachusetts, prior to Romney becoming governor, there were eleven women in cabinet level positions. Under Romney, there were ten. His hires came after he was pressured by MassGap, a non-partisan women's organization. That's where the 'binders' came from; he didn't request them, they pressured him.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 22, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    Well, we know the real story was not that Romney pushed the issue of hiring more women but that the pressure came from outside groups. The Bain picture is still fresh in my mind--the one with Romney and his co-horts with money coming out of their pockets...

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    The point of this letter, of course, is that Romney's claim that he went out searching for qualified women is false, as is so much that comes from his mouth. As Eric pointed out, MassGap came to him with those binders.

    But what I really want to know is how Romney fit all those women in binders. That's quite a trick.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    I'm still waiting to see what's his agenda binders. The conservative LA Times nailed it.

  • Jl Sandy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    Romney's binders were handed to him and he was strong armed to even open them.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    The Obama campaign has degenerated to this?

    The fact that the professional victim class is whining about "binders" merely illustrates how vapid and small this far left-wing class/gender/race warfare administration has become

  • Mr. Bean Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    Suppose Romney woulda said, 'loose leaf folder?' Think of how that coulda been skewed into belittling women.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    @Gildas:

    "Is this a free economy or must there be quotas in employment?"

    If a candidate wants to get elected, he/she's gotta appeal to their constituency. And more than half of the constituency is female.

    @The Real Maverick:

    "Mitt will just about anything to become elected."

    Would you recommend that he do everything to not get elected?

    @Kent C. DeForrest:

    "But what I really want to know is how Romney fit all those women in binders."

    He used extra large ones.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    @J Thompson
    "How many of his staff were women when he took office? Was there a change?"

    I think it started out at around 42%, which at the time I assume verifies Romney's claim of it being the highest percentage in the nation. Later on in his term appointments were overwhelmingly men which drove it down to 25% when he left.

    "How many women hold high office in Obama's "staff"? How many cabinet members are women? "

    Currently 5/15 (State: Hillary Clinton, Labor: Hilda Solis, Commerce: Rebecca Blank, HHS: Kathleen Sebelius, Homeland Security: Janet Napolitano).

    3/8 cabinet level officers (Ambassador to UN: Susan Rice, EPA Administrator: Lisa Jackson, Administer of Small Business Administration: Karen Mills).

    "How many woman Generals or women Admirals has he appointed? "

    No idea, but is it even possible to have women get that high when they aren't allowed in combat roles (something democrats are inclined to change)?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    How did the Dnews miss that article about Utah being third worse in the nation for equal pay for women...69 cents for every dollar for the same job. No wonder Mitt has such a fan base here, where women aren't worth as much as men.

    My ex works for a former Utah Legislator who told her after taking over the former acct's job that he couldn't pay her as much because the men that work there have family and well they're men.

    He is another small minded leader in Utah.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic:

    "My ex works for a former Utah Legislator who told her after taking over the former acct's job that he couldn't pay her as much because the men that work there have family and well they're men."

    Your ex likely didn't make as much as the former employee in the same job because your ex just started in the job. Generally, pay increases the longer you're in a job. It's ludicrous to expect equal pay when just starting.

    The reason men are paid more on average across the nation is because women take time off for child birth, to raise families, relocate for hubby's new job, etc. Thus, men are on the job longer, on average. Pay differentials for the same work is generally attributed to length of time on the job.

    It's not rocket science.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 22, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    President Barack Obama has put 72 women on the federal bench -- the most ever appointed by a president in one term.

    When Obama was sworn into office experts said his cabinet was the most diverse in history. It had seven women and nine racial and ethnic minorities among its 21 members — and only eight white men.

    Bill Clinton had five women and six minorities in a first Cabinet that he said "looks like America" — one more in each category than George W. Bush had.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    WRZ your wrong she had more experience than the person she replaced and continued to do her former job too.
    But I see your on the same page with the republicans "A woman's place is pregnant and at home or following her man."
    Sad in this century.

  • Mr. Bean Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic:

    "...69 cents for every dollar for the same job."

    Women in Utah are taught to stay home and raise families... Accordingly, they don't have the time on a job in the workplace that their male counter parts do... who's prime job it is to bring home the bacon.

    Employees get paid more for staying on the job longer. And it's lest costly for the employer such as for training new employees, etc.

    As wrz said, it's not rocket science.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    @CI
    funny thing is it seems the Romney supporters are the ones running around complaining that he is a victim at every turn, maybe this is why he can claim he cares about those he called professional victims, according to his supporters he is the biggest victim in the country.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    @CI
    How is it that you of all people could be claiming that others like to play the victim role?

  • RAB Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    There is no proof of any of the garbage being spewed on this discussion board. Those who hate Romney are far to quick to believe any unverified claim that paints him as a liar. Those who like Romney are quick to believe whatever he says.

    The reality is, Romney doesn't care who takes a job as long as they are qualified. Any other attitude is simply sexist.

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Oct. 22, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    Oh, how easily people get distracted with these side shows. Meanwhile, six trillion dollars was added to the debt the past four years, millions more on welfare, no real change in the extremely high unemployment, gas prices doubling, and median wages dropping. Where is the criticism of that or is that okay with Democrats?

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:03 p.m.

    @RAB
    So let me summarize your post "Everyone else is wrong and have no proof to support their claims, I am right and do not need to provide any proof of mine." does that pretty much cover it?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    @Tolstoy

    yes - Those stuck on the victim triangle rarely see that they have moved from victim to perpetrator

    Leftists, who base their power structure on claiming aggrieved status, have been reduced to complaining about binders as their source of oppression (i.e rationalization for perpetration)
    I am sure it is annoying for you to have someone recognize the game (and you will do the only thing you can do - claim to be a victim of someone noticing the game)

    Phranc
    "How is it that you of all people could be claiming that others like to play the victim role?"

    It makes me feel good mirroring it back for you to see - Even though I realize you are are blind

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 23, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    Wow, it is amazing to see the liberals whine about Romney seeking qualified women to work on his staff. If he only found enough to fill 25% of his staff, how do you know that there were more qualified people? Just because the previous guy may have had more unqualified people is not justification.

    Next, why don't you liberals look at your own leader? Currently in the Obama administration, his staff pays women 18% less than men. That is after Obama himself pushed and signed into law a bill that requires equal pay for equal work. Obama does not do that, yet you liberals ignore that simple fact. See Washington Times article "Obama's record on paying women White House aides not stellar."

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    "Currently in the Obama administration, his staff pays women 18% less than men. That is after Obama himself pushed and signed into law a bill that requires equal pay for equal work. Obama does not do that,"

    --------

    Does he pay women cabinent members less than the men? No. In fact, he pays them equally, just as he does with every job. There are more women in lesser paying jobs in the White House, but that does not mean he is breaking the law or even being hypocritical.

    Do you understand the difference?

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    WRZ,
    If what you say is true then the former legislator is in violation of Anti-discrimanation laws. so my question is "What did she do?"

    Like most people, she probably did nothing. therefore the problem never gets fixed.

    Second, I would like see some truth about Romeny hiring of women. When I search about the subject, every one of the list was by left leaning media sources....hmmmm could it be that they skewed their information?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    The binder aso contained military horses, bayonets and mothballed battleships.