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BYU football: Cougar secondary hurt and hungry after loss to Oregon State

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  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 16, 2012 6:26 a.m.

    Talk is cheap. OSU was the first team we've played that had a legit passing attack. USU's was good, but OSU had athletes at WR. I'm glad they're hungry, but it's garbage to pretend like BYU ever had a legit secondary. Johnson will improve with time, but everyone else is suspect.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    I don't care how hungry they are, the Cougar secondary will leave South Bend Saturday evening feeling famished after they get shellacked for another 350+ yards for the second game in a row.
    Final score
    Irish 55
    BYU 0

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 16, 2012 6:39 a.m.

    Glad to see our team finally getting upset and determined to change. About time for some emotion. But I'm confused by Jordan Johnson's comments about 2 and 3 man receiver combinations. I hope they're not only going to shut down the passing game when one man is running routes. This is the way the game is played, guys. Be ready...

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    From number 12 to number 24, with the up and coming games the downward spiral continues.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Oct. 16, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    'wasn't us', 'we made mistakes', really? BYU is still saying that it is not the opponent but BYU who beats themselves? That might have made some sense on the close games and admittedly this one was close until the 4th quarter, but give a good teams some credit. I'm sure there is a lot about football I don't know but it sure looked like BYU's secondary was slow.

    We will know better after the Notre Dame game. It is possible that the defense had an 'off' game but more likely we just had a good opponent. If we also have an 'off' game against Notre Dame then I think the defense needs to admit that it is not beating itself.

    The offense actually looked okay vs. Oregon State, other than the consistent 'mental errors'. Wouldn't it be shocking to go an entire game without turning the ball over multiple times?

  • Parkite1 Park City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 7:16 a.m.

    Simple BENCH Jordan Johnson. He is the main reaso nthe Cougars lost on Saturday. Oh and look back to last years games, #6 was burned time and time again.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 16, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    2 words about the secondary: Swiss Cheese.

  • Dan the Fan PROVO, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    I totally agree with DC. This is the first game that we really faced any vertical threat and we got beat badly. I don't expect things to change anytime soon. This has been the blueprint to beat BYU for years and for some reason people just don't catch on. Our DB's are slow, play too far off the ball and bite on routes to try and make the "big play" only to get burned on a double move.

    I must say though the biggest problem is that our D-line gets absolutely no pressure on the QB. Now that the media has fallen in love with Ziggy he is constantly battling double teams and no one else provides pressure but Van Noy. You can't realistically expect the DB's to hold coverage for 8 seconds. Stop the three man rush and bring the heat.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    It is readily apparent that Bronco has rules for the rest of the team that he doesn't have for Riley. I guess things like accountability, assignment knowledge, and execution are rules Bronco requires for the rest of the team that he is unwilling to require of Riley.

    The NCAA isn't the only institution that has a "Riley Rule".Enter comment

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    @Parkite1 - the "Main Reason" on Johnson? Think again, R. Nelson was the main reason near the end of the game - TURN OVER and many time in the past. I don't think so, Johnson need to settle down. And Johnson, don't talk about "One of Best in the Nation." Ranking means nothing and just settle down and do it right and let the media do the talking.

    Don't get too emotional when you do lose to ND which won't surprise me this time. It will be shocking if we win it this Saturday.

    Have fun at South Bend with all the history stuff their and Irish fans will welcome you.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    Kralon
    HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

    It is never the opponenet that beats BYU it is always BYU's "lack of execution" or "we beat ourselves."

    Pathetic and dilusional.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Several comments by coaches and players said, in effect, OSU didn't do anything or special. What they did do, however, it what football is all about: execution. Blocking and tackling; pass and catch.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    The difference was two plays, and it happens. Look at the forty niners.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    BYU ALWAYS gets burned by good passing teams, half-good passing teams burn BYU regularly. We don not have speed, we play nobodies...then wonder why a good team smokes us in the secondary. Our guys play New Mexico State and they think they are amazing...sheesh.

    Wake up players. Then, Hoffman gets out there in the flat, and fails to make even one block to free up another player. Poor execution, poor coaching, poor talent are killing the BYU program. Esp. at QB, I guess Riley's dad has something on Bronco...it is the only explanation. Lark deserves a start. I can't believe how stubborn Bronco is.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Cougars. Few expect you to win this weekend so you can really make a statement about yourselves if you can pull this one out. I won't be watching, but I'll certainly check out the score. I'll watch the replay of the game if you win. It's just too hard for me to watch my team get embarrassed - AGAIN. Give it your best!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    I'll take Johnson any day over a guy that does not look for the ball but would rather just run blindly into the receiver. Bills cost BYU that game with a little help from Bronco by not benching Riley during the Utah game.

  • Barry Obamo Orem, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    To Whoa Nellie - your post is highly ignorant and shows your complete lack of knowledge about football not to mention your llack of understanding all of the factors that contributed to a BYU loss against OSU. If you seriously think that one PI call cost BYU the game there is no helping you. However, regarding your comment about Bills, the receiver he was covering was Preston Hadley's missed assignment, or rather, he got burned by the OSU receiver. Bills came across the field and picked the receiver up. There is no question he should have looked back however, he was not touching the receiver one tiny bit. In fact, the receiver was draped over Bills. This was a dubious call that could have gone either way. Now, let's talk about numerous INTs,, dropped passes, poor D line play, poor QB protection, no adjustments to speak, etc, etc. Do you think any of these might have contributed to the loss? Seriously!

  • clarkharris LAYTON, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    Stop with the excuses. BYU is just not that good. They have some great players and a lot of good players. They lack speed badly. OSU proved they are not that good. Loosing to Utah proved that they are not that good, Barely beating USU proves they are not that good. They cannot be great every year. Be happy that they seem to compete every week. Bashing Riley seems petty, he is the best they have so they play him.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    I probably won't watch the game unless BYU is winning so then you know I won't watch the game. Here's my prediction Notre Dame 49 BYU 3.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Parkite

    Jordan Johnson didn't play last year. Do you mean Corby Eason? He did get burned a lot. He and Preston Hadley were the corners last year.

    The secondary didn't play well but the reason it was noticeable was the talented receivers, the solid offensive line and the solid backup quarterback of Oregon State. They were by far the best offensive team we have played so far.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 16, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    54-10

    Utah will be pathetic and de-lusional after playing OSU this weekend.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Oct. 16, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    You want to win. I mean really be legit? Get rid of Mendenhall

  • KSUBYU Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 16, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    Bronco
    Please beg the Big East to take you. We will never be able to get and keep players that can compete with the big names until you get into a BCS league. ESPN must be going nuts over their contract so lets stop the bleeding now.

  • stiadotf West Point / Davis, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    BYU defense...instead of saying that you lost because you "didn't execute", why don't you admit that you lost because you faced superior talent?

    Oh...and be careful what you wish for. You just may get it from a bunch of guys in gold helmets that have "National Championship" on their minds...

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    stiadotf

    Do you honestly think OSU has vastly superior talent this season than the Oregon State team BYU beat in Corvallis last season? Or, the then 16th-ranked OSU team that BYU stomped in the Las Vegas Bowl in 2009 - you know, the OSU team with the Rogers brothers?

    Talent is often over-rated. It's execution that really matters.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    The corners line up 12 yards off the line of scrimmage, start back pedaling at the snap and still get burned deep. On most pass plays they are in a zone so they have the benefit of watching the QB instead of the receiver. It's a much easier defense to defend the pass than man coverage.
    I would like to see how they do playing tight man coverage 85% of the season. It would get ugly fast.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Oct. 16, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    OSU getting the Rodgers brothers gone, was a blessing all around.
    Teams win when they have lots of talent, with TONS of chemistry.
    It's pretty simple.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 16, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    Man I hope the first string QB for Notre Dame has recovered and starts. Because I know we can't defend a 2nd string QB. He would have a career day just like every other 2nd string QB BYU faces. ;-)

  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    I have to admit I don't understand how you can be assignment sound all season and the biggest game of the year you start missing assignments. Either that's bad coaching in not preparing your kids to play or an excuse. I saw missed assignments and was shocked by it they were out of position, Utah has fast receivers too and they weren't out of position there, so I think lack of prep on this one. Bronco somehow has to calm these guys down for the big games because they seem to kill themselves with mistakes. I don't know if they win that game or not but it should have been closer. And also figure out how to calm down Riley, he makes huge mistakes against good teams and yes that's because they're better, but he has to know to throw a ball out of bounds with these better teams, because you can't make those mistakes with the good teams. Especially in the RED ZONE! The coaching staff needs training on how to prep mentally for a game, everything else is fine in my opinion.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    Its clear the BYU haters have not seen Notre Dame play.

    Notre Dame is not a very good offensive team.
    All their games have been very close and low scoring.

    The game this weekend will be the same,

    BYU WILL have as good a chance as anyone providing they don't have a QB making mistakes,

    If Riley Nelson plays he will make mistakes and lose the game.

    BYU must change QBs to rectify the season.

    All the rest of games are winnable.

    But it is clear BYU needs significant coaching changes on the offense and the right QB.

    Playing hard and gutsy is not the same as playing smart.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    James Lark

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Oct. 17, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    I was very proud of us the first three quarters ot the game vs. #10 Oregon State which is now #8 after the fourth quarter whipping they gave us. I know that we were favored to win that game by 5 points and went into the fouth quarter with a tie score. History shows that we are often a three quarter team and that is what seperates us from a great four quarter teams.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    The truth,

    Notre Dame beat Miami 40-3.

    I'd say 40 points will be four times the necessary points to beat byu.

    Notre Dame 40
    byu 9