This article explains exactly why the last thing Utah should do is vote Yes on
Amendment 1 this election. We don't need to take money out of the general
fund and into a back-up fund for the back-up fund. We need the funds now in
education...not in some hypothetical disaster in 2044 as suggested by the
cancel some ball games, with their bus runs, and the budgets will improve
dramatically. heretical idea.
It is imperative that we reduce the huge size of...ADMINISTRATIVE
STAFFS!If the real priority is educating kids in smaller classrooms,
then make the bureaucrats work harder and skip less important tasks instead of
actual teachers. That starts at the State School Board, and runs down to the
individual school offices.And, let's be realistic and stop
wasting huge efforts on trying to "mainstream" the handicapped kids who
are (through no fault of their own) unable to keep up with the rest of the
classes. Do we want to educate 98% of students to a 90% level, or cap the
progress of the vast majority of students while attempting to make minimal gains
with a few unfortunates?Finally, someone needs to ask the tough
question regarding those with English as a second language. Are these kids from
legal immigrant families or not? If not, that indicates that our school problems
are being made worse by illegal immigration. Although that is not the
school's problem to fix, it confirms that those who fail to fix it are
condemning every other student to a worse education than can be provided with
existing funding levels.Bless the good teachers!
Good plan. Let's abandon the kids who are hard to teach. If it's
easier, we don't need new teachers; and therefore, we can do it with less
money. Good plan.
Right.After all what is more important? Saving money for profits or
children?In Utah, we all know where our leaders stand on that one.
I would like to read some articles about successful schools, who somehow succeed
without begging and whining about understaffed, over crowded classrooms, and
overworked teachers. There are charter schools who are succeeding. Could it be
the public schools need to change teaching methods to succeed? I know all about
how charter schools only take the best children with supportive parents. Who
wants to send their children to a school that never seems to figure out how to
succeed? It is always about more money. It is begging time. The politicians
are out in full force. The legislature meets in January. We can expect to have
more articles on the pitiful state of public education.
Our school district raises our taxes for a soccer team. We really needed that!
There is such a high percentage of students who become professional soccer
players vs business men, mechanics, doctors, lawyers and other professions. And
when I ask where the money goes from all those candy, pizza, and taco sales
nobody can tell me. Too much money is going into luxury activities and not into
the classroom. Schools are for education not a play center.
Re: one old man Ogden, UT"After all what is more important? Saving
money for profits or children?"We aren't like California
whose multi-billion dollar debt continues to skyrocket. The dirty little secret
the liberal don't like to admit is that when you're in debt you have
to pay interest on it. That money goes to the greedy banks as the liberals like
to refer to them.Don't want to throw money down a rathole to
the greedy banks don't go into debt. And yes, Utah taxpayers are already
paying more than their fair share of their money to local, state and federal
governments.Slash the number of school administrators and use the
money we already give them more wisely.
Rifleman,How much more "slashing" do you think can be done.
We have the lowest per pupil spending in the country, we have the highest class
sizes in the country, we have the highest counselor, to pupil ratio in the
country, and the highest administrator to student ratio in the country. In the
last 10 years we have lowered the taxes as a percentage of income that the
taxpayers in Utah pay towards education, while adding over 200,000 more students
to the role. We have a much higher percentage of non English speaking students
in our schools. Sorry but there isn't much left to slash.
How about asking parents with more than two children to pay a little more in
taxes to fund their children's education. Right now, they pay LESS. You
read right, less. The Utah tax code mirrors the federal code and parents with
more children burdening the system are paying less. For all you
"conservatives" out there who love to talk about "personal
responsibility", how do you justify that? Each time it has been brought up
in the Utah legislature to change it, the republicans shoot it down and call it
"anti-family." It isn't. If you can't afford to pay a little
more for your additional children's education, then you can't afford
Re: Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah"Rifleman, How much more
"slashing" do you think can be done."I agree with those
who think we could cut administrators and give that money to the teachers. The
question is how much more can taxpayers slash their budgets? We are heading
towards another recession or possibly even a depression. Everybody is going to
have to tighten their belts.
Rifleman,With all due respect you believe administration can be cut
based on what? As I said we already have the lowest administration to student
ratio in the country. We have already given massive tax cuts to the people of
this state under Governor Huntsman. After all the cuts to education from the
last 3 years we are just barely approaching funding levels that we had in 2008
but there are 80,000 more students in the system. Cut cut cut is a great
political slogan, but if we value our children and their education we may to ask
people to pony up even in difficult economic times. really?, makes
a good point when he suggests that large families who are putting the most
pressure on the system and are typically paying little if anything in state
income tax should be expected to pay more. I am perfectly aware of
the situation we are facing economically, but at the same time there are certain
services that need to be paid for, and public safety and education should be at
the top of the list.
Re: Fred44 Salt Lake City, UtahThere are retired people among us who
will wear coats and turn down their heat so that they can afford to put food on
their tables. We are paying enough, more than enough, of our incomes to feed
the various governmental bodies that have they hands in our pockets.I have no problem giving education more money. Take it out of some other
funded program. Which program? How about one of the many programs that
provide no benefit to the citizens.
This article highlights a key problem with schools right here in Utah - too many
young, inexperienced teachers. The problems range from an inability to maintain
order while promoting passion for learning among the students, to simply not
being able to teach key concepts and adapt to various student learning
styles.We moved from back east into some of the best public schools
on the Wasatch Front, and were dismayed at the huge drop in education quality
that our children experienced. The key problems in my judgement? 1) Too many
young, inexperienced teachers, 2) Overcrowded classrooms, and 3) Too low of
expectations for student performance and learning by both parents and
teachers.If Utah wants to prepare its students for the 21st century
job market, we are going to have to do better. Right now, most of our high
school graduates are not prepared in 3 out of four key college prep subject
areas. We are failing for most of our students. It will take real leadership
to turn the tide. And it will take getting real and cutting all the spin on the
topic of education performance in Utah.