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BYU football: Riley Nelson's back in at QB, Taysom Hill's lost for season with knee injury

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  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:39 a.m.

    Sad on all counts.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:56 a.m.

    James Lark? Am I seeing red or is something missing here?

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:04 a.m.

    Our country needs talented leadership to re-ignite its great potential. So does BYU football.

  • Fred Vader Oklahoma City, OK
    Oct. 9, 2012 5:53 a.m.

    "That's all gone, because I don't feel pain anymore. I don't feel hurt. I'm back to myself.", said Nelson.....just before taking his first big hit by an OSU lineman while trying to run the ball because he can't throw accurately past 5 yards. Sorry, but he won't be healthy long if they put him back in this early.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 9, 2012 6:08 a.m.

    Doman is a disaster. This is only the latest costly mistake from hiring a guy with no experience and letting him learn on the job. This is not a ward where you can "call" people to lead with no prior experience whatsoever. I feel sorry for the kids that languish under this offensive team's lack of leadership.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 9, 2012 6:30 a.m.

    Doman, you nailed it - Lark is literally one hit away from being the starter. And with this offensive line, Munns better start warming up as well.

    There is no way that Nelson is anywhere near 100%.

  • Parkite1 Park City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 6:46 a.m.

    The latest of poor executions for Bronco, way past time for him to be relegated to defensive coach only. Until he is removed as coach I hope other fed-up Alumni/Boosters will ask that their donations do not go to the football program. Until Holmoe finds someone else the football program is destined for mediocrity. Last year and this year the Cougars could have finished with one loss (TCU last year and Notre Dame was my expectation this year) but due to Bronco's failure as a leader and making sure that the right decisions are made a prolific defense deserves much better but unfortunately poor coaching decisions have resulted in two losses!

  • Provo4Life PROVO, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:00 a.m.

    What's up with the coaches not being able to take the blame for a bonehead call? Taysom is lost for the season and faces a grueling rehab, yet it was a miscommunication and he took his eyes away from the call too soon. With the play calling display that has been on show this season, I wouldn't be surprised if they called a running play. Take accountability coaches, you made a mistake. Now we turn back to Nelson. Is he really healthy? Did he learn anything from his time away? I just hope we can open up the offense and take advantage of the big targets we have at wide receiver and tight end. Also, give Williams the ball more, I don't need to see Lasike. Go Cougars!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:08 a.m.

    So sad! Get well Taysom. We need you!

    Go Cougars!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:21 a.m.

    "He's one hit away from playing," Doman said of Lark, "and the way this season has gone, gosh, the percentages are high that he'll play."

    I think Doman meant to say, "He's one hit away from playing,and the way I've been calling plays, the percentages are high that Riley will get injured."

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    Fractures that are healed in 2 weeks?
    Something is fishy here!!!

  • papi_chulo Ogden, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Fractures don't heal in 2 weeks, if ever. Nelson will get smashed by OSU's defensive lineman and be paralyzed for life and then Bronco can be responsible for that one too. Then I'm sure we'll see Bronco pass up once again on James Lark and probably put in another backup. I don't know what his deal is with Lark. He was an awesome quarterback in high school and deserves the chance to play. I'd rather have him play than Nelson anyday.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    Good coaches anticipate what the next play will be. If you anticipate that you will only need to do the victory formation, then call the victory formation! Why tell him the clock is running and then tell him the play? This doesn't make sense.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Too bad the "Savior of BYU Football" is going to step once more into the starting role. If BYU were going to play Idaho or NM State, that would be different. But going up against Oregon State? The OSU defense will target Nelson's back injury and he will be less, ahem!, 'effective' than usual. (Extreme facetiousness inserted!)
    With Hill down, the likelihood of BYU winning more than a couple more games is in serious doubt. With the entire offense struggling even my Hee-roh, Riley Nelson, can't bring this team back from the brink of collapse.

  • Manny Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:11 a.m.

    What will it take for Lark to get some playing time at BYU? He has been so patient for 4 years as he watches all this go on around him. Riley claims he is okay to start but I doubt he is 100%. He just wants to compete again. Hopefully Lark will get to play this week. That will all depend on Doman's lucky quarter as he flips it throughout the game to call plays or see who plays QB.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    Sorry, I am not buying... Doman ran out on the field and called a time out... I believe that that was done before the injury... If Doman's intention was to play cautious in order to avoid an injury, he could have made it very clear in that timeout... Or after the first first down in the series, Doman could have made it abundantly clear that he just wanted Hill to take a knee... That didn't happen and what took place was crazy and irresponsible... Further evidence that Doman is not ready for the OC assignment... He was simply promoted too fast.

    This lack of ability on Doman's part will soon begin to manifest itself in recruiting... Kids are not going to want to play for an OC with the reputation that he is developing...

    Again, Bronco needs to bring on another experienced and successful OC and put Doman on an Apprenticship program... Let him dvelop for a couple of years and then give him the playbook.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Sad, Sad, Sad, I guess everyone else has said it all already so the only points I will belabor are....Please don't continue to run our QBs us the middle and please give Lark a chance and use Riley as backup.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    @eastcoastcoug

    Everyone has to get their 1st chance somewhere, the "no experience" accusation is a stupid one. Where Mendenhall made his mistake was not in giving a guy his 1st chance, it was in giving it to the wrong guy. Remeber Norm Chow was once a 1st time offensive coordinator at BYU and so were several other guys.

    So if you want to crticize Bronco for giving that promotion to the WRONG guy I am with you, but this "no experience" claim is a dumb one and I'm tire of hearing it. If no one else is ever given the opportunity for the 1st time then in about 20 years there will no longer be any coaches at any position because none of them would ever be given a chance. If no one is ever promoted for the 1st time then how will anyone ever be anything?

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Time for the Cougars to expose the Beavers.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    It is not really an issue who the QB is as the Y does not play on that side of the ball anyway. And, that should continue given they have a worse offensive line than Weber State. It is this area of the team that has been bad to very bad for two years and is the reason for the failed running game and much of the poor qb play by Heaps, Riley and Hill. Too, bad for Mr. Hill and I hope he recovers fully.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    Thank you Coach Doman for your offensive wizardry. Seems like I recall a new OC who talked all about restoring the glory years of Cougs offensive and the vertical passing game. Um, still waiting on that one. BYU has turned into nothing more than a running first offense. I've never seen this many QB draws this side of Florida during the Tebow years. Hill's injury is the sad yet expected result of a "running-first" philosophy. Let's see how long Riley lasts with his recovery from "back fractures." Better hope Lark and Munns are ready to go! Riley will take a beating the next 3 games. Let's face it, if Doman was the DC, he would have been "let-go" a long, long time ago. How can he still be holding onto this position? He's nothing more than a QB Coach, with the team actually needs. Dude's in way over his head and has been ever sense he was hired.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    RE: Parkite1 "due to Bronco's failure as a leader and making sure that the right decisions are made a prolific defense deserves much better but unfortunately poor coaching decisions have resulted in two losses!" I couldn't agree with you more. With Coach Bronco's sole attention on the stout and strong defense; in essence he's given the keys to a Mercedes to a "new driver" with limited to no prior driving experience. The offensive car has more than crashed. Time for a new car and driver!

  • EMBO23 Riverton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    So if Hill had been injured in any one of the running plays previous to this one, would Cougar fans be upset and say he shouldn't be running at all? It's unfortunate, but stuff happens. Freshman or not, Hill could have just run a dive off-center. Instead he chose to make yardage and exposed himself to injury. It is still great to be a Cougar fan and follow the boys in blue.

  • satch Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    Let the turnovers begin.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    Let's stop talking about Riley getting hit and focus on being able to move the ball towards the opposing end zone(and getting in the end zone)..Our two losses should never have come down to the last minute or about going for two. Our two losses are all about Riley can't move the ball.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    Wait a minute, before the season we were told that this offensive line would have two NFL draft picks...no, that was last year, this year we were told that it was the deepest offensive line we have had and it was full of talent. Everyone was slim and trim and in condition. Oh, and it was said that Riley is a quarterback...and Doman is a creative offensive coordinator. It must be easy to write for this newspaper.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    James prepare like your starting because before you know it you are going in. Riley is not and unlike most BYU fans I have said this since last season ... he is NOT a D1 QB.

    Oregon State +5 TO's, 4 from Riley. This year just got very long again.

  • CalJac LOS GATOS, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    Sorry Duckhunter, but it is not a dumb thing to say Doman was promoted too early and lacks the appropriate experience. If he had the chance to study under an "experienced" OC for a while, then his promotion may have made sense. If that were the case then today we would be saying Doman is just not a very good OC. However, Doman was put in a position to fail not having been properly trained for the position. You don't send soldiers into war without training from experienced soldiers unless you want them to get killed! Doman is now getting killed because of his lack of proper training. This is a Holmoe and Bronco management mistake. Too bad since I hear that Doman is a very good man.

    Nevertheless, since Bronco is so fond of saying "Our System is Perfectly Designed for the Results We Are Receiving", he must make a change if BYU is to achieve its potential!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    @ Wayne Rout- Yes. Last years' two "NFL draft picks", one of which is a non-drafted free-agent, signed to a practice squad. And don't get me started about this year's predictions. Yes, indeed, being a sports writer for DN is the easiest gig in town because it doesn't require any in-depth, critical analysis ... unless it's critical of a certain QB only after he decided to leave the program and never once while he was playing for the team. I'll keep saying this but the only critical analysis I read in this paper comes from Vai in his weekly column, and then he quickly gets branded simply as a "Bronco-hater" by many. This offense is rudderless, Cougs fans, and it will only get worse over the next 3 games. But, the reality is whether we limp in with 6-7 wins or win-out, our Cougs are still guaranteed the same Poinsettia Bowl-- they can do no better or worse. I do like my Cougs, but more than tired of the over-hype and complete lack of any critical/objective analysis by DN.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    It is obvious the coaches have no confidence in Lark which if fine if their assessment is correct. However, if for some reason Lark is forced into playing and plays well, I for one will join the growing grooup of frustrated fans calling for changes at the top. We know what we get with Nelson and it's short of spectacular. He is competitive and will find ways to beat the couple of pasties still on the schedule, but he doesn't have the talent to move the offense against Org St and Nortre Dame. Maybe Lark has even less ability but in game action that's uproven and in times you know what you have isn't good enough you at least get credit for tyring to find something better. I would give Lark a chance to state his claim by his performance. We have nothing to lose since that is what we have already accepted by starting Nelson.

  • donburi South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    Nelson has never beat a good team. Just take a look at his win/loss record. Back fractures healed in 2 weeks? Really? It will probably take only a couple of hits to knock him out again. I appreciate Nelson's passion and leadership, and I would hate to see him injured again, but Lark should be the starter IMO.

    Bronco talks about how he and Nelson have been through so much together. Well, Lark has been with the program much longer than Nelson, and he has stuck it out showing his dedication for years despite the lack of opportunity. Also, Lark is a great QB. Give him a REAL chance coach.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    Doman's gonna get Nelson killed in this game if they don't throw the ball.

    If he wasn't ready, Doman should not have accepted the job. He obviously advertised himself as qualified. I hope BYU management can see that it was false advertising.

    Running QB's get hurt. That's the rule.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    Ah, such is the life of a football player. Emotionally hang Doman if it makes you feel better, but it was merely a mistake followed by an accident.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    Last year, BYU players handled the Beavers. This year, they're hoping to expose the Beavers on national TV.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    This has got to be insanity starting a QB with spinal fractures. Why would Doman even consider it? For that matter why would Nelson? I'm no spine surgeon, but this just doesn't make sense. Is Doman really so desperate to keep Lark off the field that he would risk permanent injury to another kid? There has to be some kind of back story no one is telling, because this whole episode with the QBs is just too bizarre to be believed.

  • SoUtBoy25 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    I love Bronco (his defense is awesome) and the Cougars, but why tell the QB what he already knows...the clock is running. Signal in the victory formation or call a timeout. Can't Doman just call a timeout or does it have to go through the HC? Doman needs to take off his ra ra cap and put on a more cerebral OC approach. It's almost like he figures what to do beforehand and then can't manage the changing conditions of the game on the fly.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    Face it... we will be depending on the Defense to defend AND score points. But with this defense maybe it can be done.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    I'm sorry to hear about Taysom. I hope he heals quickly and heals well.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    I want Andy Reid!! He may be done in Philly soon and he is getting older and has all the money he could ever need..... Just a thought.

  • IdahoCoog Malad City, ID
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:15 p.m.

    Negativiy, negativity!!!!! You so called BYU fans should stand behind the FB coaches, for indeed they are totally fully invested in winning games for the Cougars. Are they perfect ... no, but name me any coach in America today who is .... any player, any coach? Real true BYU fans are SUPPORTIVE of their team ... that includes players and coaches. If you feel they are doing it wrong, do not play it out in the blogs, running down your team ... make your complaints known privately to people who make decisions ... do not tear down the program like a bunch of bloodthirsty sharks in a feedig frenzy smelling raw meat. Please, if you Monday morning QBs are so good, apply for the job. I'm sure Holmoe would relish having someone so awesome, so wisely knowledgeable that is mistake-free and not prone to error.

    And for you Ute trolls adding fuel to the fire ... for shame! You are going way beyond trash talking... YOU are showing your class!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:37 p.m.

    @IdahoCoog

    You are showing your lack of football knowledge. Bronco, Doman, and the players all know what they signed up for. They take the good (praise) along with the bad (criticism). That is just how it is when you pull on a jersey and step under the lights. Fans come here to vent because they care and want the best for their team, not because they are "bad" fans.

  • CalmDown Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    What a stroke of horrible luck for Hill.

    Riley is as tough as they come, but this could be a disaster for him.

    I hope Lark is tough enough so that he will not let the coaches mismanagement of him affect his confidence. He will certainly see playing time and will need all the leadership ability and skill he can muster.

  • Master Nielsen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 11:46 p.m.

    Give Lark the ball already! Nelson should've stayed at USU.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 3:19 a.m.

    Why is it that everyone on here thinks they are a coach,if any of you so called coaches think that you can do better apply for the job,otherwise please be quiet and let Bronco do his job.I,m pretty sure that if Riley looks like he is not performing to his potential ,the coach wont hesitate to put Lark in.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 10, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Really?? Where do you come off saying this is a "stupid idea" to put someone in to run BYU's offense with no prior experience whatsoever? Most organizations AND teams let people work their way up before they are given wide responsibility. You obviously have never worked in a company of any size. Would you really turn the keys over to someone without letting them first cut their teeth on smaller responsibilities first?

    Go interview for any job and the first thing they will ask you is "what experience do you have?" Especially when it is a divisional or CEO role.

    That's not to say that someone cannot be promoted from within after spending some time learning the ropes.

  • Alaskan Ute Fairbanks, AK
    Oct. 10, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    I feel sorry for Lark. I'm sure truth-be-told, he feels he made a huge mistake with BYU. There is no excuse not to play him now - he's a good kid with talent who was successful in High School, and waited for his shot. As a recruit, he could have at least had playing time with another comparable school.

    I'm not a Ute Troll - My daughter attends BYU and I pull for BYU unless they play my Utes. I agree with eastcoastcoug, as a CEO myself for many years with hundreds of employees, you don't hire CEO's for sizable organizations without proven experience. Smaller organizations give CEO's their shot, but not institutions the size of BYU. BYU should be able to recruit a proven, winning coach. With that said, I'm glad the U promoted Whit, and didn't go outside - we took a risk and won.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 10, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    Back fractures do not heal in two weeks, Doman is totally responsible for not getting the right plays in and thus Taysoms injury, Bronco is just a coordinator and not head coach calibre, and both teams will be playing this week with their best quarterbacks on the sidelines.

    At least Oregon State still has something to play for.

    When does basketball start?

  • Scandrus Cedar Hills, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2012 12:30 a.m.

    Take a knee Doman....and freshen up your resume!