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Letter: The debates, Obama has less time to prepare

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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:07 a.m.

    Just remember the first debate of 2004: John Kerry eviscerated G. W. Bush, Bush won anyway. In the first debate of 1984, Walter Mondale was the clear winner. Reagan appeared confused and muddled, many people thought that the debate showed him to be clearly too old for the job. Reagan won anyway.

    In the larger scope of tings, debates rarely make much difference.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 5:26 a.m.

    Except that he DOESN'T do much with those duties he's assigned.

    Instead, he plays golf and asks Hollywood hot shots for money so he can play ever more golf at taxpayer expense.

    As far as Big Bird, would YOU pay 450 million of your OWN money to keep him on television?

    If not, why should the taxpayers pay that same amount to have a big yellow bird teach the ABC's?

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 6:15 a.m.

    If Obama spent more time doing his job he would have been plenty prepared. No time for debate prep, meeting with world leaders at the UN, intelligence briefings, or figuring out a budget that could actually pass, but he always has time for late night TV, the View, golf, and expensive vacations.

  • MacMama Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:29 a.m.

    If President Obama had actually spent his time being a leader and governing, this might actually be a good excuse. However, in actuality, he has spent his time fundraising and appearing on talk shows like The View instead of actually doing the job he was elected to do. The day following the death of 4 Americans in Libya, he left for a fundraising tour, instead of dealing with this crisis- which involved the failure of our State Dept to provide sufficient security and the mad scramble to cover it up and lie about it.
    The excuse that he had no time to prepare is just about as lame as Al Gore's excuse that the altitude in Denver affected him. No excuses- it just showed that he was arrogant enough that he thought it wouldn't matter- he could come in and win with his obvious intelligence. Wrongo bongo!
    As far as PBS and Big Bird- if they are that popular, they should be able to survive in the free market economy and not need tax dollars to stay on the air.

  • SamiAntha Murray, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    Can this person be serious?? I think my head is going to explode if I hear one more LAME excuse for Obama's debate performance. I must say ditto to the other comments pointing out all the time wasting activites the Presdient is engaged in. They are right on.
    "Big Bird" doesn't need federal funding for Pete sake. I can only imagine how much money Sesame Street gets from all the Sesame Street toys that are sold. The whole thing is beyond stupid.

  • pipercomanche West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    What ever gets you progressive liberal democrats though the day.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    So someone finally gets Romney to actually answer a question about what he would do if elected and the one thing that he says is that he would cut Big Bird from the budget. Wow. Amazing. All those years of being a benevolent job creator and he comes up with an absolutely brilliant idea to cut the budget by 0.012 percent. A whole 0.012 percent. Very impressive...

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    What Obama wasn't prepared for was the bold version of Mitt Romney who walks back his proposals and then lies in a national debate. But Obama should've been prepared for this Romney. The Republicans have learned they are appealing to low information viewers and therefore can say anything. Ryan's convention speech was panned for the unprecedented amount of lying.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    You're right, Pat Fox-Jacobson. Pres. Obama had vital commitments, such as playing golf, rubbing shoulders with celebrities, ignoring our allies, appearing on late night talk shows, and flying off to fund raisers in the face of national security threats. He just didn't have time to prepare for those pesky debates. Now I understand.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    @1conservative
    "As far as Big Bird, would YOU pay 450 million of your OWN money to keep him on television?"

    Well seeing as I'm not Mitt Romney, I don't have 450 million of my own money I can give. However, there are 300 million or so americans so I think my share of the bill to keep him on TV is $1.50. I'm cool with that.

    @Whatever
    "A whole 0.012 percent. Very impressive..."

    Hey he also said he'd get rid of Obamacare and since Obamacare is fully paid for because of the Medicare cuts and taxes in it that means total repeal of it leads to a deficit increase according to the CBO analysis, something like 100 billion over 10 years. So it's more like Romney is cutting the deficit by -.3%.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    What is the response by the Pres? Liar liar pants on fire. Are we still in the third grade? It is time to put the adults in charge.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    So this is the latest Fox News spin, that President Obama doesn't work very hard at his job? Incredible. Why? Because he doesn't spend half his Presidency clearing brush on his ranch in Texas?
    Here's what I promise you: you wouldn't be able to manage his work load.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    It's never Obama's fault, is it? It's not his fault that he knew nothing about the economy. It's not his fault that he didn't even know the two-minute rule. It's not his fault that he tried to bully both Jim and Mitt into giving him more time to ramble on about things that had nothing to do with the question. It's not his fault! It's never his fault! He was dealt a bad hand.

    Just what was he so busy doing?

    He's just like some of my grandchildren. When we ask them to help, they say, "I'm busy." When I look around the corner, they're busy - watching TV or playing a video game.

    What "game" has he been playing instead of running the country?

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    George Bush had more vacation days than Obama... Sorry Obama can't disclose everything behind the scenes... Kinda hard to debate a pathological, flip flopper that takes multiple stances on multiple issues. For once, I wish Mitt Romney would stand by anything. We democrats would respect him a lot more if he would stand firmly on any issue. But at this point, know one knows what he stands for. Obama will expose Mitt in these next debates, gloves are coming off and its about time. Ryan will be way over his head in this debate. Biden is not the passive kinda guy, he will call Ryan out on all of his lies. Watch.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    PBS spending is symbolic of the bigger picture. If we can't stop borrowing money from China to subsidize a commercially-viable children's show, how will we ever find the backbone to make the hard choices?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    "So this is the latest Fox News spin,that President Obama doesn't work very hard at his job?"

    No: It comes from Entertainment Weekly (as part of it's investigative journalism highlighting Obama's top secret peace-keeping and economic summit meetings with with Beyonce and George Clooney)

    "What Obama wasn't prepared for was the bold version of Mitt Romney who walks back his proposals and then lies in a national debate."

    Seeking truth involves more than repeating Stephanie Cutters lies. And repeating them ad nauseum does not make them true.

    Obama's version of "Truth": "My mother was denied health coverage as she died of cancer" "I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term" "Obamacare is not a tax" " Oil production is the highest it has been in years" "Solyandra was not our program per se" "Since I've been president spending has risen at the slowest pace in 60 years" "Fast and furious was begun by the previous administration" "The Libya attack was spontaneous" "Romney is a liar"

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    The liberals have put forth many excuses for the dismal performance by Obama. Why not be honest and admit the real reason behind Obama's stupor: As Al Gore pointed out, Denver is at a high elevation and Obama was suffering from oxygen starvation.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    I don't want to make excuses for President Obama. Romney's a lightweight and the President should be able to clean his clock.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    Democrats see absolutely, positively no reason to make any cuts to the federal budget ever!
    If we can't cut "big bird" - (who's toy licenses are probably in the billions)what can we cut?

    No cuts for "big bird", no cuts for Planned Parenthood, no cuts for Obamaphones, no cuts to medicaid, no cuts to foreign aid, etc.

    Looks like in reality the Democrats are the party of "no". No cuts anywhere, anytime. Make government bigger, and bigger and bigger.......

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Perhaps Big Bird should enlist in the military.

    Since those are the ONLY jobs the GOP seems willing to create.

    BTW - When Mitt Romney promised to create 12 million new jobs and no cuts but actually increased military spending, all I could imagine was yet another GOP led war.

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Dumbest dumbest dumbest letter I've read in a long, long, long time in any newspaper. If this is indicative of the liberal mindset, heaven help them.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    VST, you are right, the low information voters are Romney's supporters. Shame isn't it.

    It's unfortunate that republicans have no core. They will sat and do anything to win. Makes me a bit queasy to watch them. For instance Romney very clearly changes his position to only gain political advantage. Like his own people refer to it: an etch-a-sketch, shake it and start over. And that's his own people saying it.

    It's telling to watch the videos that are coming out now with Romney debating Romney. And the Republicans lap this stuff up, they love the flip flops, even to the point if pretending it isn't happening. They make every excuse imaginable why it is okay for Romney to have no core believes.

    And the Republicans embrace the low information voters, they have to, they need them. Its their base.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    Let's not have any lame excuse. I get tired of the spin-meisters explaining what the candidate "really said", and I cannot accept that Obama's weak performance (although adequate) was a happy sight. There was much to counter with regard to Romney's statements, and the Republican surrogates were relieved that he wasn't taken to task. Is this the victory?

    Romney was, well, Romney. He changed his message to suit his audience and we will have to see how it plays out. The rush to declare a victor is nonsense. Just because Obama did not rebut Romney's bizarre change of position on ideas he has been promoting for the past six months, it is not realistic to believe that Romney was, therefore, being honest in his statements. Even his campaign people corrected his "mis-statement" about healthcare and pre-existing conditions.

    Not being caught in a untruth is not the same as making that untruth suddenly true. Romney's tax plan to reduce taxes on the wealthy remains the centerpiece of his campaign. His desire to eliminate Obamacare in all its parts and disassemble Medicare while significantly changing Social Security remains in place.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    Re: Hutterite American Fork, UT
    "I don't want to make excuses for President Obama. Romney's a lightweight and the President should be able to clean his clock."

    The fact that Obama got his clock cleaned dumbfounded and shocked those who worship him. Their only defense ...... attack Romney.

    Here's a little advice for Obama. Next time you show up for a presidential debate bring your A-game and leave the valium home.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    Eric,
    Fox spin? You can do better than that lame old foil.

    Are you actually saying he DOESN’T spend time on The View, Letterman, SNL, and Leno?

    Are you actually saying he HASN’T been campaigning ever since he was inaugurated?

    Sheesh, I know you’re a BO apologist, but I have come to expect much better of you.

    Republicanthinkstraight
    You can’t be serious with your comments about biden and ryan, can you? biden, with a vocabulary that doesn't extend beyond a couple F-bombs; and ryan, who has actually put together a budget.

    LDS Lib,
    I guess you are unaware of the tens of thousands of banking jobs lost during the current misadministration, thanks in part to dudd-frank, which did NOTHING to end too-big-to-fail.

    Mark,
    Low informed voters, you mean the same ones who had BO in the lead by 8 points pre-debate? You had NO problem with them then, did you?

    There are plenty of very smart people on both sides of the aisle; too bad your typical leftist intolerance blinds you to that fact.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    I know that liberals think the federal government is the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and should bestow gifts on all the deserving people, but if the federal government were funding the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, they should be on the chopping block too. Thank goodness the we haven't funded them yet.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    Obama has had more than four years to prepare. He's been president, for heaven's sake. And as such, has been in the mix all that time.

    His problem is, he's is under the delusion that the media was supposed to protect him.

    And he's making the mistake to listen to the Democratic talking points about Romney... all of which are easily refuted lies.

    The Psalms writer has advise for the American voter... "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." (109:8)

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    @Whatever:
    "... he would cut Big Bird from the budget."

    Not only Big Bird but Bill Moyers as well. Good move.

    "A whole 0.012 percent."

    A fair start... Compared to Obama's adding billions.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    "Low informed voters, you mean the same ones who had BO in the lead by 8 points pre-debate?"

    Nope, lost, I mean like these:

    “Except that he DOESN'T do much with those duties he's assigned.”

    “However, in actuality, he has spent his time fundraising and appearing on talk shows like The View instead of actually doing the job he was elected to do.”

    “the mad scramble to cover it up and lie about it.”

    “he tried to bully both Jim and Mitt into giving him more time to ramble on”

    “Obama's version of "Truth": "My mother was denied health coverage as she died of cancer" "I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term" "Obamacare is not a tax" " Oil production is the highest it has been in years" "Solyandra was not our program per se" "Since I've been president spending has risen at the slowest pace in 60 years" "Fast and furious was begun by the previous administration" "The Libya attack was spontaneous" "Romney is a liar"”

    “Obamaphones”

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    “The fact that Obama got his clock cleaned dumbfounded and shocked those who worship him.”

    “Are you actually saying he HASN’T been campaigning ever since he was inaugurated?”

    “biden, with a vocabulary that doesn't extend beyond a couple F-bombs”

    “I know that liberals think the federal government is the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus “

    “His problem is, he's is under the delusion that the media was supposed to protect him.”

    “And he's making the mistake to listen to the Democratic talking points about Romney... all of which are easily refuted lies.”


    Now that's what I call low information voters.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    Is that why our president is flying around in Air Force One to many fund raisers in New York, Hollywood and elsewhere? If he is so engaged, he has an inside track on the answers. His handlers do the preparation. There is a reason Mr. Obama does not look presidential.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:57 p.m.

    The only thing Romney has unequivocally stated he is going to cut is funding for PBS. Can't even name a single tax loophole he would recommend eliminating. He's just throwing red meat for the low information masses, who see everything outside Fox and conservative programming as a threat.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    Mark,

    thanks for proving the final statement of my previous post

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2012 6:43 a.m.

    Re: mark Salt Lake City, UT

    The liberals have grown so used to blaming Bush for Obama's failures that they were at a loss as to how to explain his dismal showing in the first presidential debate. They got to blame somebody, blaming Bush isn't an option, so the only thing they can do is blame Romney for not standing there and taking it on the chin like Obama apparently expected him to do.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    Truthseeker,
    MSNBC blather does not pass off as truth.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    Lost in DC
    Where to start?

    Has Obama appeared on The View, Letterman, SNL, and Leno? Yes. Right there, you're talking about four hours of his time. Maybe five, counting travel time. It's what Presidents do. Roosevelt gave radio addresses. Current Presidents make their case on television. Part of the job of being President is using the megaphone of office to make your case for certain policies. You say President Obama isn't doing his job. I say, you don't know that, you don't know what his days are like, you don't know how hard he works. But his daily schedule is made public; he works his butt off. Occasionally, he plays golf. Bush did, Clinton did. The job is hard enough that a little R & R is a crucial. He certainly doesn't spend half his time clearing brush at his Texas ranch.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    Eric,

    See, I KNEW you could do better! Why didn't you say that in the first place?

    Now getting back to the original topic. Tell me why, after three years on the job, was he so ill-prepared for a discussion about

    wait for it

    wait for it

    wait for it

    HIS JOB?

    maybe because he is not qualified for his job.

    He may be "doing his job", but he's not doing very good at it.

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 1:08 a.m.

    With all the confusion that abounds on the Internet and the extent of commentary on these threads, it becomes difficult to make any assessment of the accuracy, truthfulness, and honesty of some of the comments made here.

    There is a definite possibility of tolls and sockpuppets writing comments which subtly take a specific position with the intent of casting doubt to that position and invite flamers to descend giving the impression that a comment is "real" and deserving of derision.

    This letter may be such an attempt to confuse the dialog. Also, the number of critical comments attacking Obama's so-called "lack of preparation" suggest that this letter is a plant with the sole purpose of developing ridicule.

    Personally, I believe that this letter was written by an anti-Obama shill trying to make a silly case of "lack of preparation" and give nonsensical excuses for the President's performance. It seemed to be a carefully-developed ruse to make Obama appear unprofessional and incompetent, perhaps by someone in the Romney campaign outside of Utah in the style of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove.

    Unfortunately, you can't protect against such letters/comments, only be aware they exist.

  • Clydesdale Tooele, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    That's so lame of an excuse for Obama. The fact that he eats, sleeps, and drinks politics for his job and the fact that he knows (or should know) everything from insider knowledge means he should be the most prepared person on the planet for a debate, and should need zero time preparing. Ouch. Makes him actually lamer than I thought when you think of it that way. And that is the correct way to think about it.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    re:VST

    "Mark, is that the reason why Democrats are now focusing their campaign strategy on talking about "Big Bird" rather than some of serious issues of the day"

    I believe it was Mitt Romney who interjected Big Bird into the national conversation rather than explaining how he could enact $5 trillion in tax reductions and not increase the deficit. Defunding PBS seems to be one of the few things he could name toward decreasing spending to pay for his tax proposals.