Lark should start. Doman should go to high school football.
Why were they running the quarterback at that time? Doman must go! Time fo a
Injuries are taking there toll on the Cougars. Our quarterbacks and offensive
line have been decimated this season. I hope Taysom gets better, but I think
Riley will suit up against Oregon State. Lark isn't a bad backup either.
BYU's defense has been outstanding so far, but something tells me BYU is
going to have to score more than 6 to win. I'd say at least 17 points.
Oregon St only scored 19 against a weak Washington St defense, so BYU's
defense should keep Oregon State in check and I believe BYU can hold them to 2
touchdowns at most. BYU hasn't allowed a touchdown in 13 quarters,
impressive, so it's do-able. Can't wait to see the black uniforms.
I have tried to be "gentle" in my opinion of Doman and Bronco. That is
why I will not criticize their play calling. However, two decisions they have
made this year have absolutely been horrible - costing BYU games & players.
1) How can you start a moderately to severely injured Nelson against Utah and
Boise State??? He clearly was not able to go - as evidenced by his poor throws.
This horrible coaching decision cost as two games. 2) Why would you ever run
a quarterback draw when the game is over? Hill is now the victim of another
horrible coaching mistake.It seems clear to me that BYU is severely
lacking in coaches that either want to win or have any common sense whatsoever.
i can't stand doman and bronco....both need to go....ticks me off that
doman had Hill running that much...how pathetic.
How many more boneheaded end of game calls/decisions do we need to have? If
Bronco were actually acting as a head coach and not focusing primarily on the
defense, this would not have happened. As for Brandon, who know what he was
thinking -- obviously he wasn't.BYU has got to be the worst
team at clock management in the NCAA.
Give Lark a shot. He has earned it. Bring decency and integrity back to BYU
I still don't understand why Lark has so many fans. Hill beat him out for
his spot - people need to get over that.IMO, however, Hill's
injury is just one more strike against Doman. Clearly Bronco has the defense up
to outstanding status, but the offense is just terrible, and I blame Doman. If
we want to keep Bronco as the head coach (and for his defense, I think he's
worth it), he needs an OC that can carry and run the offense - and one that
won't put our QB is inexcusable risk.Sorry Doman, but your
number is up in my book.
Why would you ever run a play like that, when you could kneel the ball and win
the game?Running qb option instead of kneeling the ball is very
stupid. BYU was only up 3 at the time. Hill could have gotten blindsided and
lost the ball, and USU could have recovered and had a chance to win. Also, as we saw, it puts players in an unnecessary situation for injury.
I haven't screamed at the TV like that in years, hoping I could get the
coaches attention. There was like 1:10 left and USU had one time out left. 40
second clock at the conclusion of every down. There is NO way USU can get the
ball back. VICTORY FORMATION VICTORY FORMATION. At the very least, run Jamaal
there. Whatever you do, don't risk an injury to your sparkplug. Alas...
Players who won't take coaching or coaches who won't coach properly.
The very last play of the game, in essence, and he suffers a season injury. How
many hits did Hill take during the game. Not hits attempting to pass or on the
option, just running the ball? Far, far too many.
Bad QB and Offensive Line play with injuries to boot at those positions is what
BYU and Utah have both experienced. Until last week, White IV has been gimpy
with the ankle. Alisa is out for the year. That said BYU's young RB might
be ready.Utah, BYU, and USU are all mediocre.
The arm-chair QB's are out en masse, with their "fire the coach"
counterparts. It's amazing what a win will do to some folks.
I think whether Lark starts this week or not, he'll be the starter sooner
than later. Doman needs to get back to a vertical passing game, and he's
the only QB left that gives us that option. Plus, Nelson won't stay healthy
long enough to hold the job for long...Nelson, even when healthy, is simply not
talented enough or a good enough decision maker to lead BYU to wins against
quality opponents. At least Bronco can now avoid the awkward situation of
answering questions about his starting a clearly inferior senior over the more
talented underclassman this week though.
Horrible play calling on Doman's part could have ruined a great
athlete's (Hill) career. That is what inexperience and poor decision making
skills will do to you. Unfortunately, we may lose the best offensive weapon
we've had in years due to lack of a competant OC. How long must we and the
players suffer Doman's ineptitude? The Peter Principle is clearly evident!
Bronco & Holmoe need to find a bonafide OC before Doman ruins more careers
and seasons! Thank goodness we have the best defense in the country or this
season would really be pathetic.
There is solace BYU fans. Utah will get their QB of the future next year in
Travis Wilson, then run him to death as well. What is unbelievable
to me was how Urban Meyer ran Alex Smith like Taysom Hill for two years, and
Smith never got hurt. Alex is tougher than some give him credit, both mentally
and physically. In the pros, Smith had 6 offensive coordinators and three head
coaches before finally getting some stability in the Niner organization (that
has lacked since the DeBartalo's left). As the #1 pick from a spread
offense, Smith goes to the pro set with the worst Offensive Line in football.
Smith gets sacked and hit like crazy, struggles mightily, and is booed by the
fans and media for six years. Smith never cracked mentally like most all others
would have. Now he gets his due. Maybe John Beck, another character
guy gets another chance someday in a stable environment, and does the same
Wow, this injury was completely unnecessary. Utah State wants the ball back and
is going to hit whoever has it as hard as they can to try and cause a turnover!
You DON'T run the QB when it can be knelt. In fact, you dont run ANYONE.
Mind boggling! I hate calling for jobs but that may be it for Doman. Sorry.
I am surprise those who want to see Bronco and Brandon be fired which you guys
are bunch of TROLLS. What I don't understand when we got that
last 1st down and Aggies had only one time out left. Taysom Hill should of KNEED
it then it would of been OVER! But instead which I noticed he was limping that
could end this season and having really thin out our qb. Lark and Mumms will
need to be ready, which I hope so! Our D's going to have to win more games
all the way through.
What do expect from a Crowton protégé? Neither one protects the QB.
A little more fodder for Heaps leaving.
Before that play, I look at my dad and said ( they should take a knee, they
arent lined up for that, I wouldn't risk getting someone hurt) We watched
the play, and my dad says (haha wow... tweaked his leg, how dumb is that?)
I hope Hill's injury is not serious and he is back in the lineup soon. I
think his future is very bright. As a Ute fan, I feel your pain.
Brian Johnson and Brandon Doman are both in over their heads. Your first time as
an Offensive Coordinator should be at the juco level or DIII level, not at major
programs like BYU and the U. In time, they may become effective OC's, but
for now, it's painful to watch. My guess is Bronco and Kyle are too
stubborn to admit their respective hiring mistakes and we're stuck.Good luck to both teams with the deadly combination of injuries and
Too many carries for Hill. Maybe look at Alex Kaufusi now.
This forum has too many whiners and couch quarterbacks and coaches. Doman and
Bronco know infinitely more about this team than any of us. BYU football
isn't perfect, but enjoy the ride!
The play calling is more in line with high school football, not college! So far
the coaching decisions have cost us two games and injuries to both QB's,
one being the future of BYU football. What is with a QB with 19 rushing
attempts? Nonsense! Forget the impact of the new missionary program on BYU
football, the impact of incompetent coaches (OC and OL) is much greater!If Bronco doesn't like the QB's rushing as much as they are,
step in! You're the HEAD COACH. Act like the HEAD COACH.....proactively,
not retroactively! This coaching group is embarassing. Unless its a great
defensive stance, Bronco looks disinterested not not engaged in the performance
of the rest of the team. Put down the management 101 books and lead / coach
the entire team. And I won't even go into the disaster that is our place
kicking. Inexcusable as well.
That tells you all you need to know about Doman's play calling and
Mendenhalls team management. Once again, the negative rests squarely on the
shoulders of the coaches.
Maybe Hill audibled out of the called play. Like Nelson, Hill is a gamer. Stupid
decision, whomever made it.
I think there are more fans on here who could do a better coaching job than
Bronco or Doman...no seriously. Why was a play called.....just kneel down.
Even I knew that....and I am a GIRL!!!!!
If you're going to have an offense that has the quarterback running every
other play, you'd better have a lot of running quarterbacks and not waste a
lot of effort recruiting great receivers. If it isn't too late to put a few
pass plays into the offense and if Lark can throw the football, then he should
start. It is obvious that Nelson would rather run than look for open receivers
and his O-line doesn't know if he's going to run or pass, even on pass
plays. BYU fans have been giving Bronco and Doman a pass on questionable play
calling but a quarterback draw on the last play of the game is just plain dumb.
Did Doman call the play or did Hill audibilize and call his own number? Watching
a replay you can see Hill in the huddle wave off something coming in from the
sideline. Not sure if he was waving off Doman's play call or a player
coming onto the field.Either way it's too bad for Hill. Sorry to see
that happen.Your always one play away from having a bad season.
The number of potential CAREER-ENDING plays for the QB that are being called on
offense is dangerous. With one QB already seriously banged up and trying to
heal, Coach Doman risks the health and career of another. Coach Mendenhall will
need to step up as the leader, and the one who is ultimately responsible for the
team, and put an end to the dangerous playcalling we have witnessed this season.
Running a QB should be the LAST resort, not the first, in a quality program.
It is my hope that a change takes place immediately in the
playcalling before more offensive players find that their dreams of a long
career at BYU and potenital NFL career are dashed because of an injury due to
the current fallback playcalling of running a QB seemingly every other play.Coach Mendenhall, please take control before a mistake is made in
playcalling that will cause permanent damage to your reputation and that of the
BYU Football program, not to mention the permanent, career-ending injury and
damage to a QBs hopes and dreams.Respectfully,MesaAZ
@ Sinew SouthStop screaming at the TV and get a life. It's a
football game for gosh sakes!
Back when Doman said he'd bring an offense to BYU that would be
unpredictable, I thought he's either oblivious to reality or he'll
really do it. I hoped for the latter, but the former seems to be the truth.
I'm done supporting him.Common sense seems to be a scarce
commodity among BYU coaches these days, as is evidenced by late-game calls. What
are these coaches thinking!Unless fractured vertebrae heal really
fast (don't think so), it'll be three losses in a row coming up
because I doubt they'll play Lark, who might be just barely good enough to
win 2 of them.Sad to see BYU's best defense EVER wasted on such
a year as this is turning out to be.
Forest Gump had it right..."Stupid is as Doman does!"
I'm an AGGIE fan and really can't stand byu.HOWEVER, even
I screamed in disgust at the last play.....Are you sure Bronco & Brandon
aren't aliases for Harry & Lloyd?Won the battle and the
wheel. Lost the war.
Two weeks ago, I didn't like the decision to risk the health of the future
of the program (Hill) to a immature and poorly coached offensive line. BYU
should have risked a senior (Lark) until the line got its act together. Two
weeks later the line still sucks, Hill is just able to out-run the defense.I hope Hill is ok and that he can continue to play. Put Lark in and let
him get beaten up. BYU would be better served with Coach Reynolds teaching the
O-line. They are being taught as an after-thought and a fill-in coach.Don't continue to risk Hill's career, maybe they can get a
medical-redshirt for him this year.
Get rid of the option, there, problem solved. Otherwise, you better have about
5 qbs ready to go because they will get hurt taking that kind of a pounding
Lark will not start ahead of Nelson because the OL cannot protect a pocket
passer. The offensive line can't block long enough for any QB to read more
than the first option. A pocket passer will not have time to make reads and
wait for someone to come open. The QB has to be able to run away from the rush
or get sacked. Hill moved ahead of Lark on the depth chart because he had the
best chance of escaping the rush. That is why all of the passes go for short
gains. The OL can't give the QB time to wait for a receiver to beat a DB
and get open downfield. Our longest pass completions have been catch (short)
and run (long). Now is not the best time to make coaching changes, but in the
off season, Bronco must hire a new OL coach. If play calling has another
disaster like the QB draw that got Hill hurt then Doman has to go, too. After
all, didn't boneheaded play calls get Anae fired? Still, our biggest need
is an offensive line that gives our QB time to pass without running for his
Assuming Nelson starts this week, then any hope of a victory against a great OSU
team is out the window. BYU will be lucky to go 50/50 this year.
If the injury happened in the time of the game I think, why were the Cougs just
taking the knee in victory formation. There was no need to both risk the game
by fumbling or risk an injury, which it appears they have.
How long with Bronco Mendenhall be the defensive coordinator instead of the head
coach? How long with Brandon Doman continue to try to run a version of his
antiquated ineffective high school option offense despite two years of promises
to return to a sophisticated passing attack? How many quarterbacks will he beat
up with option, draw, and keepers before he finally learns? Brandon Doman is
clearly not ready to be a college level OC. This situation must change. Coach
Mendenhall needs to get involved in the offense if he wants to be a head coach.
Otherwise, make him DC, hire a good OC, and move Doman to an assistant position,
preferably not working with QBs. Get a good OLine coach to get that fundamental
part of the game working.
Taysom Hill's injury is definitely season ending. The team already knows
this. Doman's play call with 1:06 remaining in a game where Hill
didn't need to run the ball gives new meaning to the phrase, "taking a
knee." Thanks, Doman. Wake up Holmoe and force your HC to get a real OC.
Bronco said Hill ran too many times. I would say at least one two many. Doman is
two for two with the run and smear the quarterback play calling that he enjoys.
Article: "If Nelson returns as the starter, BYU wide receiver Cody Hoffman
said Friday, making the transition back from Hill to Nelson wouldn't be
difficult for the Cougar offense."Going from one running
quarterback with questionable throwing skills to another should be an easy
transition. Hoffman's problem is he still has Doman calling
all those QB running plays, and not jump ball passes to Cody. D'oh! Man!
That is really stupid if the kid is out for the year. I couldnt believe he was
still running the ball at the end of the game. He took some big hits earlier in
the game. You would think they would try to save the kids health. BYU doesnt
look like BYU any more on offense. Ugly game Ugly outcome for the young QB. Hope
you get well quick Taysom!
It's LARK time, the guy deserves a shot. Defenses know Riley is a third
running back playing QB and will put 9 in the box and take away the run. Hill is
terrific, but thanks to play-calling DONE. No comments by doctors = DONE.
RevKGlenwood, UTBefore that play, I look at my dad and said ( they
should take a knee, they arent lined up for that, I wouldn't risk getting
someone hurt) We watched the play, and my dad says (haha wow... tweaked his leg,
how dumb is that?)-------How dumb is that? Doman Dumb.
EdCullenOrem, UTThis forum has too many whiners and couch
quarterbacks and coaches. Doman and Bronco know infinitely more about this team
than any of us. BYU football isn't perfect, but enjoy the ride!--------Huh! I guess Bronco does read these threads...
Doman wasn't kidding when he said he would build an offense that was
unpredictable. Who else would call a QB draw on 1st down with 1:10 remaining in
the game, and your opponent only has 1 TO left? Once BYU got the first down all
Hill had to do was take a knee on the last 4 downs and USU could only stop the
clock once! Why would you risk your QB who had already taken enough punishment
from running the ball 18 times!! Unpredictable is one way to describe that call
but unbelievable is a better adjective. Doman is a total amateur.
I'm so mad. It was a clear cheap shot by the cheapest team ever. What a
dirty play. Almost as bad as the cheap hit on Ryan Hancock in 1992 by Utah when
he was at least 8 yards out of bounds. Everyone is so cheap to us.
I'm confident Brandon Doman will be moved to the back office at the end of
the season. Technically he'll be fired, but to help him save face
they'll find something else for him to do. Rest assured changes are coming.
Rational you're right the coaches know more about the players than most of
the comment posters. But your underlying assumption is incorrect. The coaches
are letting Cougar Nation down. As a long-time season ticket holder and donor I
expect far more from Brandon and Bronco to make better decisions. We cannot
compete on a national level with the bogus schemes Brandon is running.
One too many quarterback draws.
BYU has the ball with 2 minutes to go in the game and the lead and the OC is
calling options with the QB??? Doman was promoted too quickly... I think that he
has the ability to be successful, but he needed a longer apprenticeship under a
more seasoned OC before he should have been given the keys to the Offense...
Anae should have been replaced with a Journeyman OC...If it's a
torn meniscus Hill will be out for the season, and it will take alot of work to
get the knee capable to handle the stop and go, planting and cutting needed to
be an effective and mobile QB... Without mobility Taysom will lose alot of his
effectiveness... And it is quite possible (depending on the tear) that he will
never regain the mobility he has today.
I've been a defender of Doman on these comment boards, and I still like
him. But I am finally convinced he is not cut out to be an OC. However, he is a
good recruiter and I would like to see him remain on staff. Our offense
shouldn't be so out of tune. Hill's injury and the offense's
inability to put up any points after the turnover on USU's 8 yd line rests
squarely on the shoulders of Doman. Truly pathetic decision making.This
really frosts me because with the right coach Hill could be one of the Greats.
That kind of coach is NOT on BYU's staff right now. @PoymanA partial tear of the meniscus is usually recoverable 100 % and usually not
season ending. Same with an MCL injury. However an ACL would be season ending,
and possibly next season, and possibly career. Complete recovery from an ACL is
possible but would at least take until next fall.
I've been terribly slow to blog on this thread. I've mentioned many
times that the secret for me this year was to lower my expectations in order to
be pleased for good things. I've begged BYU to exceed my expectations and
also to get rid of the QB draw as the bread and butter main play, especially the
predictable 3rd down guaranteed play. Now with this news, I'm going to
have to lower my expectations even lower. I'm now expecting a complete
bust of a season and no bowl game. Now, Cougars, please try to exceed THOSE
The issue with Doman (and, to an extent, Mendenhall) is NOT the possible injury
to Hill on the 1st down run, even though that is what occurred. It is more
basic: KNEELING DOWN WINS THE GAME. Remember when Anae called for a handoff
late in the 1st half of the bowl game against UCLA instead of kneeling down and
Unga(?) fumbled? That call helped to hasten his exit from BYU--and it should
have. There are simple charts--which Doman should have had--which tell the
coaches how much time is left in a game and when they can use the victory
formation. Can Doman read these, or did he get so caught up in the game that he
wasn't paying attention? Either way, he should not be an OC if he makes
this egregious a mistake.
Hill should not have been the QB in the first place. True freshman QB's
should be developed, learn the offense (whatever that is) and mature to the
level D1 schools play. Just like Utah, coaches keep throwing GOOD,young
QB's to the wolves hoping they will save the day. Attempting to impress
coaches, fans, team and world, they try to do too much and make stupid mistakes
which end careers. That's why you have guys waiting in the wings for their
time, IE Lark! He's been there 5 years, knows the whole playbook and has
gone through the development process. Had Heaps been handled properly, now would
have been a great time for him to takeover. Hill is much too valuable to BYU
down the road than in this year of mediocrity. Lark can turn the ball over to
Utah as good as Riley, can lose to Boise and beat-up on bad teams good as Riley
and Hill and take the pounding from USU as good as Hill. What Hill has learned
from his experience this year- D1 schools hit hard and you can't run all
over everyone like in HS.
When BYU was most successful, they had quarterbacks who were DROP-BACK passers.
We need to get back to that--which means we need an
offensive-coordinator/play-caller who is good with drop-back QB's. Doman
seems to want us to be an "option-QB" team, as he calls option plays for
QBs who never even did that in high school. IMO, he should have never called
option plays for Jake Heaps. Who knows, Heaps might still be here if he had had
a good QB coach who coached to his strengths--and if Bronco hadn't treated
him like he felt "entitled" when Heaps and Apo held that news conference
to announce BYU as their choice of schools. I don't know why, but Bronco
seems to feel an excessive amount of loyalty to Riley Nelson--beginning with the
day Nelson set foot on campus. Nelson was NOT the best QB in the Fall Camp when
Heaps was a freshman, and by splitting reps, neither QB got enough reps.
As we heard countless times in the spring and summer, we have quality WR's
in Hoffman and Apo. So why would you want to play a passer like Lark
at QB? It's too predictable. Hoffman and Apo need to learn
how to block or we'll be lucky to see six points total during these next
6-3. Boring game. Horrible way to end the game. An unnecessary injury. Utah
State has a nice team, but if BYU wants to get to the level that fans expect,
barely pulling off a 6-3 win against Utah State doesn't look good. I dare
say that Utah State is the best team in the state. If that game was in Logan,
Utah State wins. BYU has got to find some offensive stability and get a QB that
can pass the ball.
It is WAY past time for Bronco to go! He is a defensive genius but a mediocre
head coach. Holmoe needs to seriously consider relegating him to defensive
coach and starting a search for a new coach if he hasn't already. The team
should be undefeated and would be if Bronco had prepared them for the noise at
Rice-Eccles and had not gone for two against Bosie State. There is no question
the defense would have held BSU offense and the Cougars would have won possibly
in the closing seconds of regular time if not in overtime. Now Hill out for the
season never would have happened had Bronco insisted in the "Victory
Stance" on each down in the final 1:45 or even better he could have brought
in Hunt. Yes it is time for Bronco to go (and has ever since the triple OT
debacle against TCU, up by 18 and Bronco's conservative play-calling
allowed TCU to get back in it) and for all boosters to put pressure on Holmoe.
If you give anonymously and feel the way I do, just ask that your donation/s not
go to the football program at all.
Not happy to hear about Hill's injury. I hope he heals quickly.I'm glad I had this game dvr'd that's fore sure. They looked
like a bad version of Air Force.OSU and ND are going to be ugly, in
a different way though. Good luck cougs.
I just love how all you side seat QB's, OC's, and Head coaches from
byu think that you know so much. You don't, you have a D1 team (a pretty
good one at that) with a D1 coaching staff. You guys have know idea what those
coaches are thinking and why. They win more games than they loose. I have no
idea why you are so unhappy, your team is headed for that 10 win season, and a
#25 ranking. You should all be HAPPY!!!!
MLHPlease enlighten all of us "amateurs" why ANY competent
coach would ever risk running a QB draw on first down with barely over a minute
left in the game, the opponent only having one time out left, and the game not
in doubt if your team simply takes a knee on the next three plays.Unless you can come up with a reasonable argument, please stop cluelessly
lecturing other bloggers who seem to have a legitimate reason to criticize what
was obviously a DUMB decision by BYU coaches.
#1 - The few remaining "Doman-hall" loyalist on here are hilarious.
Their coaching blunders have become national news. Why continue to defend them.
BYU fans will be happy when they are both gone. And after next year, even the
die-hard supporters will be singing a different tune. #2 - You have
to give Riley the start next week. He will either engineer an miraculous win or
die trying. All it would take is a couple of scoring drives. Just pass the ball
to Hoffman or scramble. If OSU can't figure out how to defend that, they
will have their hands full.
I am so sick of all the poor decisions and play calling our coaches are making.
Doman should do us a favor and admit publically that he is in over his head. He
has admitted as much in private as late. We need Offensive Coordinators and a
head coach who will make common sense decisions that will benefit this team.
Then again, like someone once said, "Common sense isn't all that
Doman has to go. You can't fix stupid.
Bronco Mendenhall should have over turned Brndon Domans pathetic call. Brandon Doman should do the right thing and step down.As for
Bronco Mendenhall he is wearing thin on BYU Fans.
Sports FanYour boy missed the call from the sideline. All you byu
side seat coaches are putting the blame on the wrong person. It was #4 who took
things into his own hands and ran that draw. If you go back and look at the
play, byu was not even set up to block for him. Do you all think that your
coaches are that dumb, Bronco is going to side step the issue as much as he can.
You are fans, you are not on the team, you get as much as Bronco wants you to
get. There is your reasonable argument. And I gurantee you I am not clueless.
Bronco and Dohman are doing exactly what they can do with the talent that they
Sad for Hill. The kid is a real athlete and I think he will recover and play
next year. Having a running QB begs for getting this type of injury
unfortunately. Taking hits like a running back is not something a QB should be
doing ... unless you play for Air Force. The Doman offense isn't suited for
BYU and I hope to see a flushing of the coaching staff with Bronco the first to
move on after his 3 year contract is up.
everyone needs to take it easy on Doman.. he is one of the top 2 or 3 offensive
coordinators in the country.. he has one bad game and everyone wants him