So what's going to happen when it's your turn at medicaid and you get
punted? Yeah, someone must pay, just like we're doing now. So let's
get everyone in the boat. For their entire lives as citizens. At no point in
anyone's life is health care cost free. Never. But we can make it better,
and make it available without the self righteous guilt trip to everyone in the
nation. Someone must pay. Let's make it a better deal for everyone.
Let's get single payer health care in place.
At what point did compassion die within you? What should become of the people
after you take away their Medicaid? Would you send them all to the emergency
room? That's not free either. Would you kick them all to the curb to
wither and die in the gutter? That would make it difficult for us to say with a
straight face "We are a Christian nation."
"someone must pay". Some people pay for things with the fiat paper money
they recieved by thier position of power over others that must work and exert
themselves for very little. Those that actually work for a living,
pay with thier sweat and discomfort. Who's really paying for everything in
this world? The workers. "by the sweat of thy brow."Now
think it over. Who's paying? Don't be fooled by human constructs of
power and fiat currency. The idle will answer for thier slothfullness.
How callous, uncaring, and ignorant to label those who receive Medicaid as
"freeloaders." Patricia should educate herself about the kinds of
people who receive, and need, medical care under the Medicaid program--like my
son who has Down Syndrome, and could not possibly work in a job that would pay
enough to purchase private health insurance, even though he would love to. Frankly, I wish the writer would not have to pay for Medicaid; she
doesn't deserve the privilege and blessing of helping those in need. Let
her keep her filthy lucre for herself.
Highways that I do not use are also paid for out of my taxes. There are many
things that don't immediately benefit us that we are called upon to pay
taxes for in this nation and in our communities. The conditions that would lead
us to not have that would be one that also fragments our nation into small
isolated communites that would each be much poorer on their own. Think of
warlord fiefdoms in Somalia.
I wonder if the letter writer likes the current system. If you don't have
insurance or money, you just show up at the ER for free health care, that the
hospital and doctors are required to provide for free. Or even if you have some
insurance and assets but they aren't enough for a big medical event, the
medical bills put you into bankruptcy, leaving not only your medical providers
without full payment for the services they provided, but other creditors as
well.If everybody had medical insurance, there would be fewer
bankruptcies, which would be good for everybody. Hospitals and doctors would be
paid for everybody they see, which would allow them to charge lower rates.
People would be more free to change jobs and create their own businesses,
knowing their health insurance coverage and ability to acquire coverage
isn't tied to their jobs.Just as our society freely gives a
K-12 education to all citizens, it should also freely give basic healthcare to
all citizens. Whether you are going to pay your mortgage or pay for your
child's leukemia treatment isn't a free-market decision we should
impose on our citizens.
Conservatives, do you ever look in the mirror and ask yourselves when and how it
was that you made nasty, short-sighted selfishness into a virtue?We
have had two hugely expensive yet unfunded foreign wars, huge tax cuts, tax
subsidies for oil companies, and Wall Street banks treating our mortgages and
retirement funds like poker chips in a casino. To no one's surprise, this
has made a mess of the economy, and a lot of people are now either on the
streets or barely hanging on by their fingernails. But instead of
addressing the greed and arrogance that wrecked the economy, conservatives now
belligerently double-down on their mean-spirited ignorance and decide that
senior citizens, military veterans, children, the disabled and the poor are the
cause of our economic woes.Staggering.
Medicaid is so greatly abused that some reforms would be more practical and
ethical than simply cutting funds. Ask any emergency department worker about the
personal who takes an ambulance to the hospital (because that's free for on
Medicaid) for a non-emergency, the doctor who is frustrated by skipped
appointments and non-compliance by those on Medicaid, the provider who
fraudulently submits claims or the person who abuses their Medicaid benefits by
their own life style choices. Simply raising taxes and pouring in more money is
A government program called Head Start has bipartian support because they have
substantiated that for every dollar spent there is a $9-15 return from child
achievement and becoming productive adults. This is just an example that from
underprivilege can arise excellence. You need to stop looking at these things as
the poor gaming the system and as seed money that will have long term benefits.
Medicare fraud is rampant because of the so called job creators gaming the
system not the recipients. The same is true with Medicaid. You should be putting
your attention to what can we do to improve the systems not eliminate them and
as was related previously a single payer healthcare system is the only logical
direction we can go. You and I are already subsidizing 60% of the nations
healthcare so lets go all the way. It won't be as expensive as you think
and your employer will be thrilled to get out of the healthcare business.
This is just more of the "I don't want to pay for anything I don't
like" nonsense. You live in a community and you have made a covenent in the
organization of that community to do certain things for those truly in need.The idea that there is mass fraud among the poor in gaming the system
has a long history. Fortunately, it is not true. It is not pleasant to be
poor. It is not pleasant to need help. But it is right to have help available
for those who need it.Perhaps the writer yearns for the days of the
workhouse? The idea that everyone's success was done without help from
someone else is fiction. It's just that some of these people don't
want to give credit where it is due because they then would have to admit to
needing help which, in their minds, makes them weak. This is one reason so many
mothers have such a thankless job.
Because the government’s numerous attempts to solve poverty only create
more poverty! We have an all time record number of people on food stamps with no
end in sight. People fall into poverty because they make poor life style
choices, not because there aren’t enough government programs! This is
neither mean spirited nor greedy, it’s the truth!
I agree, someone must pay.When we hand out billions to Egypt, Iraq,
and Libya, who is paying?When we give defense contractors blank
checks for them to built jets that our Pentagon doesn't want, who is
ultimately paying?When we bail out banks, like Bush's TARP did,
who paid?When we give out tax cuts, oil and gas subsidies, and
reward folks for moving their businesses to China, who is paying?We
desperately need to be more accountable. Lets begin with eliminating the tax
cuts, closing the loopholes, cut all foreign aid, and the defense spending in
Unfortunately I have relatives on Medicade and food stamps and WIC and etc., and
they just keep having babies (6 with the oldest just 6) The father will not
look for work or go to DI or the State for training (He didn't finish high
school). If there were work requirements for all the handouts I would not feel
like I'm ripped off. Yes we need a safety net but we also need a work net.
The stupidity of the left, never ceases to astonish! We have traded an
ineffective and inefficient medical system, to an even bigger mess with
Obamacare. It will be more expensive, it will be a jobs killer, and it
doesn't do ONE thing to make people more accountable for their medical
expenses, or to control costs! In theory it will put more people on insurance,
which will ultimately be a government insurance program, paid for by the tax
payers(who are already paying the costs anyway). You can blame the
TARP and some of the bailouts to industry and finance companies on Bush, and you
wouldn't be lying, but you would be a liar, if you didn't recognize
that BHO and MANY democrats didn't play a bigger role in these deals. Oil
subsidies are a joke! There are is no such thing, just a democrat manufactured
lie to promote more class envy styled reactions. If we needed to pay for the
wars, all welfare payments should have ended, along with dozens of other
wasteful federal programs. I would greatly favor that idea!
Standard trope of the right: "We have an all time record for people on food
stamps." Now if times were good the logic of the statement would be
troubling. How could we have so many on the dole when times are so good? That
is not the case today. Last month was the first month below 8% for unemployment
in 40 months. That rate equals the worst downturn since the Depression (over 80
years ago). So now the right wants us to be outraged that so many people need
help?? Just another case of public education in Utah failing to teach basic
logic i.e. when many people are out of work and without income what is the
result? Answer: the need for government assistance goes up.
@ Grover. You need to get out more to learn about these permanent welfare
recipients as I have. It will change your entire view of the government’s
welfare state. A study was done that a welfare recipient can receive benefits
in the neighborhood of about $42K/year and even more if they have children! Why
work? Could that be the reason unemployment is so high? In the meantime, the
national debt skyrockets, all which must be paid for by our grandchildren, all
in the name of “compassion”. If you think unemployment is high now,
wait a month after Obama wins re-election! You haven’t seen the worst yet!
The government cannot give anyone something they do not first take from someone
else. There is no such thing as a free ride — someone always has to
pay.I for one, am tired of the freeloaders who expect everything
handed to them without the bother of working and taking responsibility for
themselves.Patricia Allred-Sorensen=========== Why do conservatives show such distain and outlandish hatred toward the sick,
the elderly and the needy...and turn a blind eye and actually cheer
unfunded wars for oil, Corporate Welfare, and bailouts to Banks and
WallStreet?This is why I chide them day-after-day....
LDS Liberal: Your self-manufactured outrage agains conservatives is the result
of automatically assuming that anyone who wants to reign in government
entitlements has no compassion.The typical liberal response to cuts
is that the most vulnerable members of society are going to be thrown under the
bus and that conservatives would cheer that. They believe that if you cut
Medicare, Social Security, or Welfare funding that automatically means that the
poor, sick, and truly disabled are going to be the first to be cut off. They
never assume that government would use the reduction in funding to cut off the
lazy, fraudulent, or people with enough resources already.In some
liberal circles, keeping some high school dropout from using food stamps to feed
his alcohol and nicotine addiction is cruel and inhuman punishment and
excessively taxing some young family struggling to get by so a comfortable
retired couple can get free medical care is compassionate.I am not
going to go the liberal route and assume that my extreme example is the norm,
but it does happen a lot nevertheless.
@LDS Liberal Your assumption that anyone who recognizes the limits of
money, government and welfare is advocating "outlandish hatred toward the
sick, the elderly and the needy" is downright vicious and pathetic.I try to be as intellectually liberal as possible: Yet the day-after-day
chiding from the fashionably intolerant politically correct, such as your posts,
who seem to be far more pious, angry and arrogant than the worst mouthpieces on
the right, is precisely why I am turned off by intolerant left-wing politics.
Your posts represents WHY illiberal political liberals are more
dangerous to society than right-wingers.Tolerance involves more than
expressing hate for fashionable reasons.
Here is 1 point that some people might have missed. In the letter, they are
basically asking for a repeal of Obamacare. I understand that. Now, Obamacare
uses Private Insurance companies to meet the goals it sets.Now, if
it were to be repealed, all of the protections that were included will be
removed. A big protection that everyone wants but will be repealed with the
rest revolves around Pre-Existing Conditions.Did you know that
insurance companies prior to Obamacare could deny you coverage because you had a
pre-existing condition? Did you know that if you have had a transplant, you
have a pre-existing condition. Did you know that if you donated a kidney, you
have a pre-existing condition.Now, should we deny coverage to the
above as well as people who have/beaten Cancer, any surgical treatment, blood
transfusions, severe allergies, Etc.?That is what people need to
realize. If you are against Obamacare, you want everyone with a pre-existing
condition to be denied coverage.Instead of wanting it repealed,
modify what is there already. Make it better?It might be hard as it
is the Republican healthcare plan, but modifications can happen.
Here's a thought...people being responsible for themselves!!! I agree with
this opinion piece. I am so tired of paying for people who have no motivation
to take care of themselves. I have no problem paying a little more for those
who need it but this isn't about who need it, it's about those that
demand it, which is happening more often than not. This nation is becoming so
dependent on federal government help that now they expect it as well as expect
the working people to pay for everything while they do nothing. It's
getting asinine and needs to stop!!
So, if poor people are required to go to the emergency room, who pays for that?
Have you looked at your medical insurance co-pay and insurance premiums lately?
Did you ever figure out why that procedure that used to be covered is no longer
covered?Yes, there are costs. But there are costs with being an
American citizen and living in this country!
Get rid of the socialist freeloaders, no one should be able to have a child
until they have enough in savings to pay for K - 12 education.