Here we go again! Prediction: BYU "fans" will begin
commenting about how they like their Irrele....errr Independence and how great
it is to create their own future and not have to answer to anyone. Then, when a
deal is struck these same "fans" will be giddy about the opportunity to
be in the Big Least.
If the distressed big east cannot even unify and accept you then byu is in some
trouble. Bad decision over the past several years and now you see what you are
left begging for. This is a very sad state that the cougs have pushed themselves
BYU to the Big East?Maybe?If....1-BYU keeps
it's own Network...2-BYU controls Home game rights3-BYU keeps
same day re-broadcast rights 4-BYU keeps exclusive ESPN deal or equal to
it's financial benefits.5-The Conference secures a Major Bowl tie
in.The Big East has one ace to play, the fact that it is the Best
Basketball League in America...............*Sunday play will not be
an issue.*Air Force and Army must both join.*Air Force to the WCC
for their other sports.*Some Big East Home/Home Basketball games with the
Football schools.Get these guarantees and BYU would have to really
consider signing up..New Name a Must....*Continental
Conference....*Big Country EASTERN DIVISIONRutgersUConnTempleMemphisArmyNavySouth
FloridaCentral Florida WESTERN DIVISIONBYUAir ForceBoise St.San Diego St.SMUHoustonCincinattiLouisvilleNice Symmetry!Championship
Game....Yankee Stadium or Jerry's WorldWhy NOt?
Why do our jealous BYU-possessed little brothers even bother to comment on such
articles?------------The Big East is only an option if
BYU keeps home television rights and the right for same day rebroadcast,
something that should be easy to negotiation if the Big East television contract
is with ESPN.A Western Division withBYUAir
ForceBoise St.San Diego St.SMUHoustonCincinnatiLouisvillewould be an exciting division and renew rivalries with
AFA and SDSU.If it happens, I'd prefer an 8-game conference
schedule to provide enough flexibility to schedule Utah and Utah State, plus a
couple of other OOC games each year with teams like Notre Dame and Texas.A basketball scheduling agreement for 2 to 4 home-and-homes with Big
East teams each year would be nice, but not essential.
"Why do our jealous BYU-possessed little brothers even bother to comment on
such articles?""Little borhters?" Ha! Out out of 11,
my friend. You've been owned for over a decade now.Jealous of
what? Your Big Least opportunity? Ha!
Just say No.
Mightytite, Where in this article does it state that BYU is asking
to be invited? You are extremely ill-informed about BYU sports. They are not
begging for anything. Perhaps you should find a team to support that matches
Bluto and Phoenix- take a deep breath. What part of "football only"
don't you two understand? Yeah, they'll agree to all of those
consessions. ha! BYU is hyper-demanding themselves into oblivion. It's
too late; that conference-thing train has left the station.
"Why do our jealous BYU-possessed little brothers even bother to comment on
such articles?"I can only comment for myself, but:The Cougars have never been my favorite team, but that doesn't mean I
don't have interest in how/what they do.I graduated from BYU
before attending medical school at the U.When LDS men talk sports,
90% of the discussion revolves around BYU.This sounds meaner than I
intend, but watching BYU navigate the sports world in the last five years has
been kind of like watching a soap opera.-They leave the MWC, fueled
in part by Utah's jump to the Pac 12. That's not just the opinion of
Utes fans, but that of the national media, including BYU alumnus/ESPN
talking-head Trevor Matich.-They flirt with the WAC before declaring
independence.-They turn down the Big East, largely because the
conference won't agree to BYU dictating broadcast rights to their potential
conference-mates.-BYU loses 4 of the last 5 to the Utes, but the
Cougar faithful insists that their team is better.So the bottom line
- I am not jealous, but I DO find watching BYU intriguing!
I still do not think the Big Least is the best option. I wouldn't mind an
agreement with them like ND had with the ACC. If we could schedule 6 games with
them in October and November that would be fine. Especially if we could get
annual games with Boise, Air Force and San Diego State. If we do join the
conference there has to be a lower penalty to the football only schools to leave
Why does this concern utah "fans"? I would have to see details before I
would say 'yeh' or 'neh' but my initial reaction is no,
I'd rather see them remain independent. I like it.Oh by the way
devlishute, setting up a strawman like you attempted where BYU fans can neither
be 'in favor' or 'opposed' without you painting them as
hypocrites for whichever side they take is not only lowclass but actually pretty
weak. We all saw through it immediately. But based on what appears to be you
attending utah and asu, the 2 lowest rated academic institutions in the pac12
with the lowest entrance standards, it is apparent where you learned to try and
form a 'debate'.LOL!
"But based on what appears to be you attending utah and asu, the 2 lowest
rated academic institutions in the pac12 with the lowest entrance standards, it
is apparent where you learned to try and form a 'debate'."Funny, coming from someone without a college degree.By the
way, I attended ASU for MBA school. ASU has a top 25 MBA program.LOL! Try again.
"Why does this concern utah "fans"?" says the guy that has
commented on every Utah article since 1932. duckhunter, thanks for
putting a smile on my face. I haven't smiled this much since Saturday.
By the way, Ducky, my point is that BYU "fans" will be hypocrital about
the situation. I've seen it on here repeatedly whenever rumors of
conference affiliation have been mentioned. I wasn't trying to start a
"debate," as you say.
@u90Comprehension liitle guy, comprehension. I want to know why it
concerns utah "fans" that BYU may do something. Not if you are
interested in what BYU may do. The definitions.1. To
have to do with or relate to: 2. To be of interest or importance to: 3. To engage the attention of; involve:4. To cause anxiety or uneasiness
in:I'm wondering why it concerns utah "fans" based on
the 4th definition "To cause anxiety or uneasiness", not #2 "To be
of interest or importance to".Why are utah "fans"
anxious or uneasy about this? Don't say you aren't, we all know that
you are. For some reason any talk of BYU going to a conference gets all of you
worried. Well it worries me as well because I want them to remain independent
but I think the worry for utah "fans" is not the same.
@ Bluto 11:16 a.m. Sept. 19, 2012"The Big East has one ace to
play, the fact that it is the Best Basketball League in
America..............."You would be 100% correct if you really
truly honestly meant the ACC.
per Utah'95 on Sept. 19 at 1:18 p.m"but I DO find watching
BYU intriguing!"You could use the same excuse for rubber necking
at a traffic accident; Whats your point? Sarcasm off?
Duckhunter,I for one have always hoped that BYU would join a BCS
conference. They have the credentials to be in one of the big 6 conferences.
And while I believe that they are one of very few programs who can do well as an
independent, they would be better served in a top tier conference.So
I do not feel any "anxiety" about the Cougars MAYBE joining the Big
East, or more preferably, the Big 12.---------------Hank
Pym,I thought about the "traffic accident" analogy, but
decided against it. But like I said, I was trying not to be mean....
BYU to the Big East (football only)? Riiiiiiiiight!With an upper
limit of only $6.5 million per team from ESPN (and possibly ONLY $3 mil), those
numbers definitely don't improve BYU's independence numbers much, if
any. It's certainly way less if it's the lower number.So,
BYU won't even consider the Big East in football membership because
it'd cause BYU's SOS to be watered down when conference membership no
longer guarantees a "BCS bowl" slot (in only two years!). There's
no chance of playing good enough teams by being stuck with left-overs and
promotees for MOST of your games. Scheduling made easier? Sure, but at the cost
of a decent SOS.I can't believe ANYONE is still talking about
BYU and the Big Least. I'd be dumbfounded if the BYU brass were even giving
it a passing thought, let alone serious thought.It's either
independence or the Big XII (or Pac 12---again, riiiiiiight!).BYU's always said it's about exposure and not money. We just might
see how truthful they were sometime in the near future.
"They'll crawl back once the TV deal is done," the source said.
Begging is so unbecoming
WhatsInItForMe,Let me point some things out regarding strength of
schedules for BYU and the Big East teams:Last year, BYU's SOS
was 90. Every team in the Big East played a tougher schedule.In
2010, BYU's was 55. The SOSs in the Big East ranged from 38 to 75, and two
of the teams played more challenging schedules than BYU did.In 2009,
7 of the 8 members of the Big East played tougher schedules than BYU (SOS 61)
did.In 2008, all but one Big East team played tougher schedules than
BYU (SOS 74) did.In 2007, 5 of the 8 teams in the Big East played
tougher schedules than BYU (SOS 59) did.That means that in the last
5 years, the Big East teams have played more challenging schedules than BYU did
29 of 40 times.The losses of Syracuse, Pitt, and particularly West
Virginia will weaken the conference, but the additions of Houston, UCF, and
particularly Boise State, will soften the blow.If you want to argue
that the Cougar shouldn't join the Big East, make it for some reason other
than strength of schedule!Might I suggest "travel?"
What could have been.Had everyone stayed in the MWC that left or is
leaving. They could be well on their way by now to writing their on ticket. I
think years from now college football analysts will be saying just that - what
could have been.With that said, I pass on joining the Big East. It
just does not make sense at all. Perhaps in the next few years things might
change with the Big 12 or even the PAC 12. Never say never. The football
landscape is changing.
U95, once SOS becomes more important in the 4 team playoff it should not be as
difficult to schedule teams in the big 5 conferences. They will all be dropping
their div 2 teams. I still wouldn't mind some kind of scheduling deal with
the big east without becoming a member.
@Utah'95"So I do not feel any "anxiety" about the
Cougars MAYBE joining the Big East, or more preferably, the Big 12."Then you are just about the only Utah fan that doesn't, and
I'll tell you why that is.The majority of utah "fans"
suffer from a major inferiority complex in relationship to BYU. They claim they
don't but they do. They see being in the pac12 as a means of claiming
superiority over BYU and are afraid to lose that. Myself, well
utah's conference affiliation is of no consequence to me, and I prefer
BYU's independence. I've wanted them to be an independent for 30
years. It has finally happened and it is starting to shape up very well.
I'm not the type to quit something after only 2 seasons especially when I
see the type of schedule they have put together for next year.I do
not worry about BYU. I believe the board of trustee's, which is the quorum
of the twelve, are inspired men. The decisions they make for BYU are the ones
that should be made. I'm very happy with where they are now.
Duckhunter, My point exactly.... why do you comment on every Utah
article (pick one, 2 or 4)? 2. To be of interest or importance to: 4. To cause anxiety or uneasiness in:
Wow, I'm glad the BYU-Utah game has been put on hold for a few years
after reading this board. Sure would be nice if both fans respected the other
instead of taking offense at every little thing said. Just consider the source
of the sarcasm and you'll realize no response is really needed.That said the real point of the article is usually missed on these message
boards because of the bitter Ute and Cougar fans. Is BYU better off in the Big
East than they are as an independent?There are certainly benefits to
both but I fear if BYU does not get into a conferance soon scheduling will
become near impossible. As conferances grow smaller conferances get shut down
and more conferance games are played leaving fewer out of conferance
opportunities. This makes scheduling more difficult or potentially impossible
in the future, thereby leaving BYU irrelevant in the future because they cannot
#1-schedule good competition, #2-poetentiall not even schedule an entire
season.A Big East with BSU, SDSU, BYU, Houston, Louisville, etc is
going to be at least as good as the ACC. I say go now before it is to late.
Duckhunter"The majority of utah "fans" suffer from a
major inferiority complex in relationship to BYU. They claim they don't but
they do. They see being in the pac12 as a means of claiming superiority over BYU
and are afraid to lose that."Well put.
@Ducky and Riddles in the darkScoreboard....Get use to itBig east, independent who really cares. My true honest opinion the Y needs to
stay with a weak schedule to keep their fan base intrigued and happy. By
scheduling 2-3 good teams a year they can continue to put up 9-10 win seasons
and the Y fan's will be happy. Something about a 9-10 win season with no
major wins and a sub par bowl game keeps the Y fan's intrigued. Not
knocking on it whatever works I guess. So if I was the Y I wouldn't change
the recipe to that formula. If they increase the SOS they will start getting
beat quite often and the fan base will revolt. If holmoe and bronco are smart
they won't change anything they cannot compete with good teams
consistently. If the SOS increases in 13/14/15 it will not be pretty in happy
@ Utah'95 - 9:30pmWhy are you comparing BYU's past SOS
numbers to the Big East? Apples to oranges now that BYU can set their own
opponents as an independent (thus its recent schedules are bunk for comparison
purposes). And, for many of those recent years the Big East SOS was based on
teams that are no longer there.You wasted a lot of print making a
nonsensical point.And no, Houston and UCF won't "soften the
blow." Those are the "promotees" I was talking about.And
"travel"? No idea what you're referring to, considering BYU's
independence schedule will have about the same amount of back-East travel as
being in the Big East would.I stick by independence or the Big XII.
Really no other options, especially with "the big four" conferences
scheduling inter-conference games with each other to improve their SOS ratings
(B1G with Pac12, SEC with Big XII).Notre Dame realized the Big Least
is dead by moving its non-football sports to the ACC, which conference (without
an inter-conference deal) is fast becoming the little brother of the BCS. The
Big East is now the MWC in status.
Nurse Ratched!Nurse Ratched!Some of your patients are spinning
again. Another loss to Utah and they still can't accept the direction their
BYU football prgram is going. On the outside looking in.
"Why does this concern utah "fans"?"Ducky:Hah! You were one of the first y "fans" to post on a recent story
exclusively about the Pac-12 in order to belittle it. So in your little (campus
is our) world, everything about Utah's conference affiliation concerns y
"fans", but nothing about about the y's affiliation should concern
the Utes?Typical y "fan" hypocrisy.LOL, indeed!!
@u '90I comment on utah articles bcause it bugs the living
stuff out of you and every other utah "fan" out there. No other reason,
that is the only one.And my point about utah "fans" being
"concerned" has nothing to do with you commenting on an article about
BYU, I LIKE when you guys comment on BYU articles. Very entertaining. I has
everything to do with all of you being absolutely scared to death that BYU may
make a move that trumps utah. You live in constant fright of that happening. And
so I am there to expose you. That is all there is to it.
Here, here! Well said Duckhunter!Count in me in this category as
well. The day the Ute "fans" grow up and move on to the conference they
said they were moving to will be a happy day. Until then I can expect these
"fans" to continually compare every achievement (if it happens) to
BYU.BYU's legacy lives on in spite of a few upsets that the
Utes claim as some major superiority in football. All other
sports... please take a number. (except gymnastics)
Duckhunter said:"I comment on utah articles bcause it bugs the
living stuff out of you and every other utah "fan" out there. No other
reason, that is the only one.And my point about utah "fans"
being "concerned" has nothing to do with you commenting on an article
about BYU, I LIKE when you guys comment on BYU articles. Very entertaining. I
has everything to do with all of you being absolutely scared to death that BYU
may make a move that trumps utah. You live in constant fright of that happening.
And so I am there to expose you. That is all there is to it."Well it's official. You have already admitted to living on this
website. And now admit to being a troll.Nice.
"You live in constant fright of that happening."Ducky:Wow, a full-time y "fan" troll AND a psychic! One
thing I do not worry about is that you and sam might actually make sense. LOL, indeed!!
Ducky and samYou have been served for what you really are. Jealous
trolls that cannot stand your own football program so you need to bug the living
stuff out of us Utah fans that get to watcxh OUR team compete in a real
confrence, with real champions, with real oppurtunities to play for something,
against real NFL caliber players, you play for nothing, everbody at the Y gets a
trophy because you play the game to just play. BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH, enjoy that
Hawaii game fellas