The best argument for an Obama 2nd term is his opponent. This election cannot
get over fast enough.
Stick a fork in this guy...Is he done? He made these remarks in the retirement
capital of the USm Boca Raton FL where at a minimim 47% of the population is
relying on government Social Security. Latest Odds on the Electorial Count
before this blunder is Obama 305 Romney 230.
The sad part is that Romney is absolutely right. Furthermore it is Romney, not
Obama, that could be the best hope for that 47% as he would provide
opportunities for them to succeed and not be victums of big government.
@EvetsRomney is right? First of all, a lot of that 47% contributes
or contributed a lot to the betterment of our society. They may pay property
taxes, state taxes, income taxes etc. They are our parents or sick neighbors
living on social security, or needing medicaid or medicare. They could be
teachers, single parents, or people who have 2 jobs trying to make enough to get
by. People complain about big goverment until no one is there to address the
ills of our society. Romney would be winning this election easily if he would
provide credible details as to how he would cure the economy. He was a terrible
Govenor (leaving office with a 35% approval rating) and has no credibility with
the majority of Americans. While many Americans are not satisfied with Obama
the majority won't simply vote for Romney because of that. They want
substance, details and charecter. So far in this election, Americans are not
convinced he is providing any of those.
So it's the 47%'s fault that people like Romney pay them so little
they arn't even in the first federal income tax bracket.Why
isn't it important who actually build things, fixes things and does actual
labor to Mitt? He has no value of work. All he's ever done is write checks
and things magically happen. (by poor people that labor for a living)
One wonders if mit is part of the 47% who pay no income taxes?A
recent IRS report showed that 20,752 households that reported earning more than
$200,000 in 2009 paid no federal income taxes. About 1,500 of those tax-free
Americans were millionaires.A lot of people who pay no income taxes
are using the loopholes and deductions designed for them, as low income, hard
working families. The same deductions which mit used to pay less (percentage
wise) on his taxes (that he has released) than most average Americans, as
constantly defended by the far right as "legal." So why is it, that
when poor, working or retired people use the legal means to reduce their tax
burden, they are freeloaders?
Funny, when I was an Air Force active duty E-3 with a wife and child, I paid no
federal income tax. I received am "Earned Income Credit" because my
income was so low as I put on my uniform every day and went to work in
conditions that Mitt never even knows exist. I guess I was a
This is one of those instances where Romney believes everything he said, but now
has to try to make it look like he doesn't believe it or needs to clarify
it. I'm really waiting for a candidate to stand up and say, This is what I
believe. If you don't like it, don't vote for me. If you do, then
vote for me.Mountanman has stated in the past that it doesn't
matter what Romney or Obama says, because we have all made up our minds already,
or at least most of us have. Nothing could be further from the truth: I keep
waiting for Romney to give me a reason to vote for him, something that would
change my mind, but he only says what he wants the particular group he is
talking to at the moment to hear. Mitt, speak your mind and stick to it!
@CHS 85Thank you for your service to our country. It's because
of people like you that we enjoy our freedom. Although I am fortunate enough to
be in the 53% of Americans who are in a position to pay federal taxes I do not
consider you or anybody in our military as a victim or free loader. Govenor
Romney should apologize to you and others in the 47% he is writing off. If not,
he does not have a chance to turn his campaign around.
I to would like to thank you CHS 85 and all those men and women who are or have
been in the military for your service to our country. I gladly will pay my
income tax to help those wonderful men in women in our armed services past and
present. I would also support an increase in military spending if that spending
went directly to the troops past and present. I would be willing to pay more in
taxes for that as well.I am with you xscribe, I to have been trying
to find a reason to vote for Mr. Romney. This statement clearly shows he does
not get it. Since he believes that corporations are people to, shouldn't
he call out the big banks who took bailout money, the oil companies who get
taxpayer subsidies each year, General Electric who paid no US tax, but no he
calls out the working poor, the elderly those in our society who are least able
to help themselves because they constitute the majority of that 47%. This
election is all but over because Mr. Romney continues to pander to the extreme
To xscribe 8:25 a.m. Sept. 18, 2012. . . Mitt, speak your mind . .
.------------------He just did, and we all found out how
little he values anyone who isn't one of his peer group (the
"haves" and "have-mores" to quote GWBush). He finally told the
truth about what he thinks. I am now wondering how "Mr. Flip-Flop",
"Mr. Etch-A-Sketch", is going to handle this episode of foot-in-mouth
This is total spin by the Dem media mob. Where in his statement does he say or
even infer that he doesn't care about those who don't pay income tax?
Of course he cares!! Why do you think he is so valiantly trying to become
president? So that he can change the course of America which at present is
headed right off a financial cliff. The federal government cannot afford to
support so many of it's citizens. Romney wants to help people help
themseves, get them working, being productive and feeling good about themselves
again. Obama wants to get the nation under his allpowerful thumb so that he is
in control. It's Romney who cares more deeply about the poor and
down-trodden than Obama.You don't help people who are down by keeping them
penned into a never ending cycle of dependency. You give them a hand-up by
finding them a job. And that ISN'T going to happen if we over-tax the
business owners who could create those jobs. Come on Dems.
Romney's way is the only way we're going to get out of this downward
Furry1993: My quote was "Mitt, speak your mind and stick to it!" I
guess my point is your point: He does speak his mind, but when it doesn't
get the attention he wants, he changes his mind or tries to clarify. He is the
master of flip-flop and saying what his current audience wants to hear.
So this is the drum the left will pound for the next week or so. Then the next
jobs report is going to come down the pipe and people are going to realize that
we HAVE to make a change. Obama isn't up to helping the 47% become self
Romney couldn't be more correct. People who vote for Obama ask what else
can the government do for me? Since Obama has been in office more people are on
welfare, food stamps, and unemployment then before he took office. And they are
not getting off it anytime soon. Therein lies the problem.
The Deseret News really needs a tab under the masthead marked "Justifying
Mitt" for all the defensive articles your reporters churn out on him. I
suppose it would be easy to say that Romney's comment was taken out of
context. Under what context is implying that 47 percent of Americas are
co-dependent mooches a good thing?
Furry 1993- Romeney's so -called "Foot-In-Mouth" disease is
nothing of the sort. He speaks TRUTH and then the libs and Democrats take his
words out of context, spin them, distort them and turn them into something there
were not. In saying he doesn't care about the 47% on welfare,
he was talking about their vote, not their person/soul/individual worth. 47% of
voters aren't likely to change thier vote at this point because they are so
dependent on Obama's plan to keep them on welfare. So when he ways he
"doesn't care" he's essentially saying, "Our focus and
CONCERN (care) in relation to gathering votes needs to be on the taxpayers who
currently support Obamba. We need to change their minds." And why would he
possibly want to change their minds? So he can change policy that will in turn
inspire more influential business owners to create jobs rather than paying the
government in taxes to in turn pay people to stay unemployed. It's not
rocket science.I'm so sick of dems prepostrous autop-spin on
Romney's words rather than listening to what he's really saying.
I started working when I began college and have paid FIT every year in the 30+
yrs since then. I've never been on government assistance.This
latest peek into the mind of Mitt Romney is not an aberration. Mitt has shown
over and over again his disdain for those who are not wealthy like himself. He
has shown that he has absolutely no capacity to understand the 99%. He is
incapable of representing me.
And the other 53% are born to auto industry CEOs.
@screwdriverThe media has done a great job of portraying Romney as
completely out of touch with the poor or even middle class. But here are the
facts:Romney gave away his entire inheritance, ALL OF IT. As a young
married college student he lived in a basement apartment with cement walls and
floors refusing assistance from his or Ann's parents because they wanted to
make it in their own. He never took a salary as governer. He's paid for
others' college education. He has donated massive amounts of his income to
charity. He's been a bishop responsible for the welfare of the poor in his
congregation. Romney knows that true happiness comes to those who
work for a living and dint rely on unemployment
Millsap fan: I voted for Obama, and not once have I asked for government
assistance. Maybe you, like Romney, should more elegantly state your position
so as to not make such a blanket statement.
America is in bad shape and it underscores how bad when a candidate states a
truth and is hated for it. The truth: I have been saying this for 4
years now but here it is.... almost 50% of America could care less about
unemployment because they get their money from the government. Who cares if
unemployment is 8.2% or 18.2% or 38.2%.... it doesn't effect them and they
DON'T CARE!! I know people like this and it makes me sick!! They are lazy,
selfish, drones that leech off the earnings of others - generation after
generation.Why work if you get a hand out for more than what you could work for?
What a pathetic and ugly statement but it is where America is today and Obama
FEEDS that mentality. The facts: there are legit cases where people
do need help from the government but the system is so GROSSLY abused today and
Obama simply plays into that abuse. How do you win against a candidate who is
willing to destroy America to win an election? America is finished
and does not deserve freedom or prosperity anymore. Sad for those few that do
Romney is absolutely right. The "secret" video revealed nothing new and
is nothing to be ashamed of. The facts are the facts. Mitt is interested in
helping all Americans to a better life, but he realizes that to focus on trying
to get the 47% who do not pay taxes to switch over to him would be a waste of
time, so that is not where he is focused. But he would still work for those 47%
to improve their lives when he is elected. God knows we can't take another
4 years under Obama's harmful administration. Mitt Romney honestly has a
plan to bless all Americans. He is our only hope of putting America back to
work. People need to stop being so thin skinned and realize that Mitt Romney is
the only man who can save our economy right now. We don't have time to get
it wrong any more.
Reading this same article and following comments on the Internet in numerous
newspapers throughout our nation.The overwhelming consensus throughout our
country is....... "Mitt Romney is done...put a fork in him".
@Millsap fanOh give us a break. He gave away his
interitance, after his father paid for his boarding school, his mission (while
somehow not having to serve in Vietnam), his BYU education, his Harvard law
school, and his first house. Other than that, Mitt has earned it
all himself.... If we could all have been so "in touch" when we were
What could be worse...Accusing 47% who don't pay taxes as all
being lazy, helplessly dependant victims?orBeing a
Multi-Multi-Millionarie, running for the Highest Office in America, Defying your own Father's footsteps and secretly hiding your tax returns
from the public eye, being accused of not paying income tax for the last
10 years by the Highest ranking U.S. Senator, and finally finding out
@ xscribe. Romney IS sticking to what he said. He only clarifies because many
take his words and mix them up. Then he has to speak to the press again
restating what he already said- slowly so that dems and libs can get it.
Honestly. What the press and folks like you are doing is despicable! I fear you
and the rest of us will get your reward for this- another 4 years of Obama and a
broken, depressed and disfunctional nation.Has anyone wondered just
what they might hear if a hidden camera took video of Obama in a private
fundraiser meeting, or a private campaign meeting? Oh my, what a hayday we could
have with his words. But they'd never get out to the public because the
media wouldn't make them public. He's their pampered and protected
little pet. It's outrageous! " Egypt is sort of our ally but not
really." Sheesh! Our potus doesn't even know if Egypt is an ally or
not? Does this get pounced on and dragged thought the swamp by the liberal
media? Nope! Hardly a ripple. We need a real leader. Romney is our
only hope at this point!
I hear that Romney's holding a fund raiser today. Donor-supporters will
pay $25,000 a plate to attend. Perhaps if Romney spent more time with the
working poor, he might understand that many of the goods and services he enjoys
are dependent upon a poorly paid, hardworking class of people. But then he
already knows this. As an international business trader, he understands the
value of poorly-compensated labor. Odd, then, that he wants more from those who
give so much to the economy for an ever-decreasing return. It would appear that
conservative American politics is ramping up the pride cycle. "What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the
poor? saith the Lord God of hosts." (Isaiah 3:15)"And thus
they did obtain the sole management of the government, insomuch that they did
trample under their feet and smite and rend and turn their backs upon the poor
and the meek, and the humble followers of God." (Helaman 6:39)
Maybe some think you can "put a fork in Romney" now because he is done.
But the fact is that Obama is putting a fork in the USA because I believe he
wants it to be done. Romney is our best hope for a healthy American. Go Romney!
I really could care less about political games anymore. Romney stated a bold
truth and it isn't going to turn away anyone who was voting for Romney and
Ryan in the first place. In fact I think it makes us respect Mitt even more.
For those Obama zombies who don't pay taxes... Romney had no chance at
these dead beats anyway. Ronald Reagan couldn't attract this vermin. Go
after those that you can get and forget the rest. Why waste TV adds and millions
on brain dead do nothings? The only way to attract the entitlement crowd is to
promise them more and more. It is like the kid who won't clean his room
unless he is paid. What do you do after you talk to him and try to reason with
him and it all fails? You simply state that while he lives in this house he WILL
clean his room and he will NOT get paid for it. It is his duty as a member of
the family. There are no freebies here and we all pull our weight. He will hate
you for it but what are you gonna do?
Can Mitt answer this for us? How many of those 47% of Americans who do not owe
a Federal Income Tax after deductions are factored in, participate in the same
Religious faith as Mitt does, a religion whose followers often have a larger
number of children than non-members, and even though they work for a living, and
take nothing from the government, but due to their Child Tax Credits, they owe
no Federal Income Tax?Mitt is a joke, but at least we're
getting to see a little glimpse of who he really is. He's the rich white
guy who sees anyone not at his status level as a lower human being who
hasn't been as successful as Mitt and his buddies because they are lazy.Mitt has now come full circle. A very Moderate governor of a Liberal
state has morphed, or remorphed, into a beakon for the wealthy.
I'm trying to figure out what was so bad about his comment. I thought it
was great. If this was a logical world it would help his campaign.
A friend and I had argued for months with him saying that Santorum would be a
better candidate for the GOP and my insistance that Romney was level-headed
enough to get through. Last night I finally conceded the argument. At least
Santorum's oddities are all on display; we know what we would have gotten.
This perfectly-lubricated weather vane however... The 47% are
disproportionately southerners, 9 of the top 10 are southern states, the other
is Hawaii. Utah is 13th. What makes up the 47%? Most seniors do, the recently
unemployed who are looking for work, teenagers and college students who
don't make much money, and young families with kids (probably what makes
Utah ranked rather high) where the child/mortgage/earned income tax credits
knock the income tax part of the bill to 0. Some of you reading this probably
are Republicans that qualify (remember your tax refund? compare that to the
income tax portion owed, if your refund was higher than that then you're
part of the 47%, or maybe you're young, elderly, or unemployed). Under the Ryan budget, with no capital gains tax, Romney's income tax
rate is 0 after deductions.
@O'reallyDon't act like the spin is one sided. The Republicans
had a whole day of their conventions themed around the Obama quote "You
didn't build that". Of course he was talking about roads, bridges and
the internet, not small business. But hey, don't let the facts taint a good
I think two things should be obvious at this point:1) The group that
released the video is trying to sink Romney's campaign.2)
Romney's campaign keeps responding by send them more torpedoes.
If you're offended by facts, the problem does not lie with the facts.
The 47% DOES NOT vote for Democrats. The 47% is disproportionately southern. Is
Obama winning Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, Idaho, South
Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi? No, not even close, and if 47% is the
national average, it's above 50% in those states. The 47% includes most
seniors, the most reliable republican voters. At best they split their votes
50-50 between the two parties. Romney is engaging in class warfare, attacking
those at the bottom while knowing full well (I would hope) that many of them
intend to vote for him and knowing that under the Ryan plan would lower his own
income tax rate to basically 0.
Although Rove & Limbaugh's "permanent Republican majority" was
already dead so soon, so soon, Obama made the Right go crazy. Romney, the best
of a litter of runts in the Republican primaries, is only a symptom. You
can't blame it all on him.A half-way decent Republican
candidate would be crushing Obama already and an obvious slam-dunk landslide in
November. Still, you can't blame it all on Romney. The promoters and
enablers of the craziness of the Right, no matter how much they now distance
themselves from Romney's clumsy incompetence, get some of the credit. This
includes Limbaugh and Fox News, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, the
birthers, and the "Obama's a Muslim-Marxist-Socialist who hates and is
destroying America."It's a disaster and it's a loss.
Not Mitt's pathetic losing but the entire Right. Democracy (or a
representative republic) deserves and needs a competent, thoughtful,
intelligent, effective opposition. Including intelligent, pragmatic, realistic
Actually I think Mitt might have been wrong. Judging by many of the comments to
this article there are a lot more than 47% that believe they are victims. And
these "victims" believe Obama's policies are going to make them
better off? LOL!
I truly believe that Romney is a good man, I think that unfortunately he does
not have the answer to the problems of America. What he and Ryan propose in
vague and generic terms are a return to the same ideas and mantra that led to
the economic distress the country is in. They want to get by with the "are
you better off than 4 years ago" argument. The reality is that
Republican-right-wing-conservative-no regulation-trickle-down ideology
hasn't worked except to put our economy in a deep hole that will take time
and consistant effort to resolve. The Republican House has made sure that
anything Democrats proposed to move us forward never saw the light of day. All
they can do is obstruct. This is what they will continue to do!
It seems Romney's approach to prosperity and full employment is to enslave
the poor, strip them of their entitlements and make them a servant society to
the plutocrates like himself and the rich will become richer and the poor poorer
worthless exploited souls serving in Romney's bigger army for a better
superior nation controlling planet earth.
@patriotyour right for the past four years you have been spreading
the same message. the problem is it is a lie. less then 9% of the population
receive partial assistance from the government and less then 4% rely on it as
their sole source of income. 91% of Americans rely solely on their own income
and those that make to little are allowed to not pay personal income taxes but
must pay all other taxes. @o'reallyI find it
strangely humorous that you now want to act like Romney is a "victim."
The only thing he is a victim of is his own words and no matter how you try to
spin it they are out there for the whole world to hear.
Not a very artful comment, which Romney admits. But it's not as offensive
as "clinging to guns and religion."No surprise Obama
supporters love jumping on a distraction from the Middle East mess and the
The sad thing is that Romney is attacking his own voting block. The poorest and
least educated come from Red States. Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Many of the
"values voters" are amongst the poorest Americans, most hardworking but
they must self described "victims" according to Romney. To say that 47%
of the electorate is unwilling to fend for themselves is preposterous. Utahns
shouldn't throw stones. How many BYU Students are on some form of Govt
assistance? Most of he married couples are. They actually get married young in
order to qualify for Grants that would otherwise not be available. They are
victims too according to Romney. Mitt isn't fit to be President.
@rick122948Don't regurgitate what you've heard from the
left. Do you really believe putting more taxes on employers is going to help
get the economy back on track? Do you really think that Obama has a plan to
ever get the unemployment rate back below 8%? Or have you conceded to
The truth hurts. The fact is people aren't going to vote to decrease their
benefits, no matter how much it destroys the economy or this nation. The
democrats are pushing to get more people reliant on the government and their
party (all in the name of "helping"). Which in the end they'll
have all of the power. People are dependent on them. And we have a fiefdom all
over again. The very system our ancestors ran away from hundreds of years ago.
Romney's 47% is so bogus and so self-defeating in so many ways.Not least because a lot of people who don't pay taxes are, in fact, going
to vote for Romney, and a lot of people who do pay taxes are going to vote for
Obama. His nonsense that they represent irresponsible, dependent and entitled
voters is going to appeal only to people, like birthers and
anti-Muslim-Marxists, who were already strongly in his camp, and will it attract
NOBODY from among the center and independents that he desperately needs.Ann Romney, a person who has never worked a day in her life in the
economic workforce, and who has never had a financial or economic concern in her
life, may be Romney's chosen adviser for the economic concerns of women,
but who is it that's advising him on the rest of his disaster? Or who is it
that's NOT advising him on how to run an effective campaign?There's something bizarre going on with Romney and he didn't learn
it the mission field, at Bain, or as a Mormon bishop or stake president.
@patriot and everyone else who think Romney was saying something accurateThe states with the highest rates of people not paying income taxes are
in the south (and Idaho round out the top 10). Obama won only one of those
states in 2008, Florida. Part of why Florida is so high in the rankings is
because they have a lot of elderly who make up a large chunk of the 47%. The
elderly of course tend to vote for Republicans, and most of them paid income
taxes throughout their lives. Other groups in the 47% are the recently
unemployed and young people, both groups intend to be future taxpayers. Then
there's young families with kids where tax credits knock their income to 0.
They're trying to provide for their families, how is that not responsible?
It's quite common in Utah (13th highest rate of 0 income taxes). You can
call the 47% lazy or question their work ethic or personal responsibility but if
you think they're all Obama voters... Obama's winning 50 states,
because in the south it's more than 50%. So it's false, these
aren't just Democrats, many are Romney voters.
re:Millsapfan"As a young married college student he lived in a
basement apartment with cement walls and floors refusing assistance from his or
Ann's parents because they wanted to make it in their own."Mitt supported his family while going to college by selling stocks George
Romney gifted him. When Mitt started at Harvard, George gave them money to buy
a house, which they sold a few years later for a significant profit. It isn't accurate to portray Mitt and Ann as people who pulled themselves
up by their bootstraps. In the same speech where Romney disses the 47%, he
admits he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I kinda feel a
little sorry for Romney. The Republican Party is a mess. One has to appeal to
the ever growing extremist base but it then becomes difficult to capture the
necessary moderates/independents in a general election. Is Romney the pragmatic
moderate Gov. of MA or is he the ideologue who keeps trotting out red meat for
the base? At some point the Republican Party is going to have to recognize they
can't follow the extreme and govern at the same time.
Doesn't Romney know that class warfare talk is out of style? Obama has
been doing it for years...
Whenever I read about Mitt's latest gaffe I wonder how big of an issue it
is. I found the best way to find out if it is a big deal is if foxnews.com and
Deseret News have an article about it. These two "news" sources only
mention the negative news about Mitt if they absolutely have to. So, yeah, this
latest comment from Mitt seems to be a big deal. I know that you can buy a lot
of things when you have millions of dollars, but you do have to have some
intelligence to be the president of the United States.
Wow, the liberals are showing that they don't remember the news for more
than about 2 days, unless it is something bad about a conservative.If you look at the actual data, and not what Obama claims, you will find what
the WSJ found in their article "The Data Behind Romney’s 47%
Comments." There they show that 49% of all households receive direct
government benefits. You can verify that in the article "47% in U.S. escape
federal income tax" from the Herald Sun.According to various
articles, and USDA press releases, as of June 2012 we have a record number of
people in the US receiving food stamps. See "USDA: Americans receiving food
stamps hits record 46.7 mln people in June" in the DesMoines Register. Even
the Fact Checkers at ABC agree.Tell us, did Romney say anything that
wasn't the truth? Do people who pay $0 in federal income tax care about
additional tax cuts? Do people who are dependant on the government want to hear
that they are being cut off, and that they have to work?
Screwdriver"So it's the 47%'s fault that people like
Romney pay them so little they arn't even in the first federal income tax
bracket."Classic example of whining victims. Is it anyone's
responsibility to provide you a living? It's nobody's fault that some
can't take care of them self? Don't like it, go work somewhere else
or start your own business. In a land of opportunity, everyone can become
successful.It's these American beggars that's contributing
to our deficit, and demanding something for nothing. Giving to these people just
promotes dependency, and hurts the country. Like Obama, they blame someone else
when things go wrong.Beggars may out number the responsible working
class, and Obama may get another four years. Shame!
My father is 77 yrs old. He started working when he was 15 and retired at 65.
For 50 yrs, he paid Federal Income Taxes. Now he lives mainly off of Social
Security and pays no FIT taxes. He paid FIT for 50 yrs, but as of now, he is in
the 47%.My son is 21 yrs old. He goes to college full time and
works 2 part time jobs. Because of how little he makes (so far), he pays no
FIT. In a year or so, he'll graduate and be making a salary that will pay
FIT and will likely pay FIT for the next 45+ yrs, until he retires. But as of
now, he is in the 47%.According to Mitt Romney, both my father and
my son are lazy, free-loaders.No doubt there are lazy, free-loaders
out there. However, neither my 77 yr old father nor my 21 yr old son deserve
that description, though they both fall into the 47%. None of the
47% should vote for Mitt. And none of the 53% who know someone in the 47%
should vote for Mitt.
To O'really 10:34 a.m. Sept. 18, 2012There's one thing you
need to realize. I'm not a "Dem." My husband and I are mainstream
Republicans, and have been since the 1970s. We don't like what Willard and
his cronies are doing to the Republican party, and work to get it back to the
moderate mainstream where it belongs. We're the exceptions to the
Republican rule -- we investigate and think for ourselves, and don't just
follow an mouth the party line.I truly wish that Jon Huntsman was
the Republican nominee. He was the only quality candidate in the race for the
Republican nomination. He wouldn't have made the incredible errors Willard
has made. HE would have had a chance to win the presidency. Unfortunately he
wasn't an extreme far right radical, so he wasn't acceptable to the
Republican base. That is the Party's and the country's loss.
How many of you really think that this one "not elegantly stated"
comment is Romney's Waterloo?Are you really that confident that
Obama and Biden can go two more months without a hiccup themselves.Have you already predicted the debates will go Obama's way?I
seem to recall several times during the primaries when the polls clearly showed
Romney was in trouble. True, Obama is by far the most formidable opponent, but
using a sport's analogy, USC was supposed to win the national championship,
Matt Barkley win the Heisman, etc. The point is to not award the prize before
the season is over.
I'm sorry, but CHS is inferring untruths. My dad and many other young men
did not have to serve in Vietnam simply because their draft numbers didn't
come up. My dad came from a working class family so wealth is not the key.
Inferring that Romney somehow dodged Vietnam because of his wealth is a
falsehood you whould be ashamed to spread. Many of your comments have been a
little off base, but this one is just plain wrong.
Furry1993...I agree with you whole-heartedly. I'm an
independent who has voted GOP in the past for many offices, including POTUS. I
likely would have voted for Huntsman, had he won the primaries. He was far and
away the sanest, smartest, most statesman-like candidate of the group. Far and
away. Huntsman would have won the conservative vote, because they HATE Obama
and would have voted anyone not Obama. He would have won a majority of the
independent moderates like myself. And he would have pulled over more than a
share of the libs.But the current GOP far-right base has no room for
me (or Huntsman) in their small tent.
@RedShirt"According to various articles, and USDA press
releases, as of June 2012 we have a record number of people in the US receiving
food stamps."This is one of the most ridiculous of the
Republican talking points.What do you expect to happen when the
country gets thrown into a Depression? Lets turn on our brains and
use some common sense. In a Depression, it seems likely that many Americans who
have not previously needed assistance would need to turn to a program like Food
Stamps for help feeding their families. Pretty simple concept
really. When the Republicans ran the economy into the ground, there was a 100%
chance that more Americans would need things like food stamps, unemployment
benefits, etc.This argument from Republicans equates to the
first-time homeowner who during their first Utah winter cranks the heat to stay
warm, and then can't believe when the next bill from Questar comes and
it's quadrupled in cost from summer!
Someone touted getting rid of capital gains as a bad thing. What about farmers?
Land rich and money poor, their only gain may have been in the inheritance of
land. They are taxed on it HUGE if they try to sell it. Cap Gains hurts more
than rich people.
Shelama seems to have a problem with stay at home moms and the fact that they
are at home rearing the next generation instead of out there with the workers.
Sounds Maoist to me.
The worst situation there is, is to be willing and able to work to support
yourself and your family and not be able to find or keep a job or jobs that
allow you to do that. The idea that 47% of American want the government to
just hand them a hand out is demeaning and wrong to most of those people who
can't find work. Romney's background is in capital decisions, and
whether he accepts or deserves the responsibility for the outsourcing that Bain
Capital was responsible for, that is the associations he has. If he can dismiss
47% of the people as victims by choice he doesn't dererve my vote and this
is from an active member of the LDS church. As far as regurgitating things from
the left, no. As an independant wishing we had better choices I continue to
believe in the country I and so many others have bled and died for deserves the
best we have to give. Romney simply doesn't offer the best choice,
especially for us 47%ers. Disabled Vietnam Veteran and LDS Sunday School
@HawkyoYou're right, his draft lottery number never came up.
But, the truth of the matter is that he applied for and received four
deferments. In 2007 he said in an interview "I longed in many
respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in
some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops
that were fighting in Vietnam." If he longed so much to be
there, why didn't he volunteer when he returned form France? The Army
could have used his great leadership talents. Funny how the
strongest proponents of war are the ones who never fight in them.
Add 16 million victim senior citizens to the list who pay no income tax. Hawkyo... what you are missing is 100% of Mitts income is capital gains.
If this passes, he would owe NOTHING in taxes on his multi-million dollar a
year income. No social security. No medicare. NADA. This is a policy
directly aimed at people like himself and his kids that will be living on
capital gains fed trust funds. Now of course if he is President, he
will have a W2, and will have to pay taxes then... or at least I would hope
so.But I am with you on the problem of families trying to pass down
to their kids the fruits of their labors. I think that revenue should be off
the table. The government should not benefit from a loved ones passing. That
is simply wrong any way you dice it.
Kinda "inelegant" like "YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT"? Oh my. To
what lengths won't the liberals go to find another "distraction"?
Let's focus on generating jobs and cutting expenses (a la entitlements,
etc, etc.). And there is nothing to apologize for! I guess a politician who
tells the truth, no matter "inelegantly", is suspect. Let's get
real, folks. We have a crisis on our hands. Let's not fiddle while Rome
(or the Middle East) is burning. Wake up and smell the coffee, er roses. Come
on America, we can do much better than trifle like this with our future. Waddya
I guess we all should vote for "HOPE AND CHANGE" again. Uh huh. That
was REAL specific, wasn't it. Anybody up for more of the same?
To "williary" unfortunately you are living the liberal lie. When the
Depression first hit, people took care of their neighbors. Food stamps or
government food programs were not needed.You also forget that it was
the actions of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd that mandated the lower lending
standards that lead to our problems. How can you honestly say that Republicans
ran the economy into the ground when the Democrats were controlling the Senate
Banking Comittee, and Congress long before things melted down. Logic would say
that the Democrats ran the economy into the ground, and now, to ensure it stays
there, they have amplified any poorly conceived Republican plan.Tell
us, how did Republicans run the economy into the ground? Was is with $400
billion deficits? Was it the war that Democrats continue to support and fund?
How about the increased costs of government health insurance programs? Since
you know it all, what did republicans do differently than the current set of
Democrats that destroyed the economy?
The ironic thing is that this comment was made at a $50,000 a plate dinner. A
family of four making $50,000 a year would end up paying federal income tax. You
people understand that right? This comment was made at a insanely expensive
dinner, A dinner that costs around 2x the amount of money someone who
doesn't pay federal taxes makes in an entire year! Mitt isn't the
middle class and looks at the middle class as worthless. But i'm sure he
will stand up for you as president..........Or not.
Not Elegant, but then the truth about Obama being a "Food Stamp
President" is the truth!Only the welfare irresponsible clan will
vote for Obama!
CHS if the deferrments were granted, how is it wrong? CLinton completely dodged
the draft and fled the country to avoid it and libs have nothing to say about
it. Utah Blue since when is it fair to punish those who have lived
and earned the american dream? He didn't steal his money, he didn't
win it in the lottery, he earned it through his own work. Physical labor is not
the only honest work in the world.If Romney or anyone else has built up their
finances honestly to a point where they don't need to earn more money and
actually have their money working for them, why is that a punishable offense to
@ Red ShirtHelping our neighbors? that is wonderful and christian
thing to do. IT doesn't work when all your neighbors need help too. When
the 1% starts sending out invites to their club won't life be grand. Last
time I checked the depression was pushed back by government action building
dams,schools and electic projects then ended by the economic stimulus of World
War II. Unfortunately, Bush's war is having the opposite effect costing
jobs at home rather than creating them.
I am a moderate income male who has worked all his life, and paid income taxes
all of his life. I have contributed to social security and medicare and I now
am "dependent" on these programs surviving for my life and my
wife's. I now know what Brother Romney believes about me for sure. I
suspected as much. I hope Romney takes a vicious trouncing in the coming
election, and will do everything I can to make it so. Of course he will get
Utah. He can have Utah if the rest of us get the balance of the country. A
fair exchange, don't you think?
Everyone is so concerned or so gleeful with Romney's struggling campaign,
with his mis-statements, his courage to sometimes be bold and tell it like it
is--and the GOP big wigs all whinging that he isn't farther ahead in the
polls....blah blah blah.So what if he doesn't win??Sure, he'll be disappointed.For about ten minutes. Then
he will REJOICE that he is free of this insane asylum nightmare that would be
his as President--and all its mine fields and unfixable problems.
To "rick122948" you have a pessimistic view of your neighbors. The fact
is that many of those receiving government benefits don't really need them.
Think about how often you see a person using WIC or another food program buying
food with their benefits, then pay cash for cigaretts and beer, while talking on
a smart phone. I may sound uncaring, but it seems like they have sufficient
money without the government help, but choose to spend it on things other than
the necessities.You are also wrong about the Depression. The
government regulations on price controls, food production, wage controls, and
employment, along with the other big government programs prolonged the
depression for 7 years. WWII only hid the unemployment problem by sending the
enemployed off to war.
Maybe he can come back to run for office in Utah after he gets trounced
Nationally.Utahns will vote for him and throw their money at him no
matter WHAT he says/does.
Redshirt, are you one of the 47% ?
I love it when members of the Church spell out that they are active, their
position and the fact that they are a veteran. That doesn't amount to a
hill of beans and means nothing in this conversation. Fact is I too am an a
Vietnam Veteran. I too am in one of those 47% but I do pay taxes and in most
instances I end up paying more at the end of the year. I very seldom get any
taxes back even if I deduct my charitable contributions to the Church so those
of you who continue to spout things really offend me and others like me. Romney
is the best choice whether you want to admit it or not. Romney is not a
socialist as our current President IS. Romney is not out to destroy our
constitution as the current President IS. Romney may be rich and part of the
rich and famous but he has more knowledge of running a proper government that
our current President DOES. If you are offended by Romney's comments then
you are part of the problem not part of the solution.
Just so I understand it is the democrats that play the class warfare card right?
Mitt Romney has said some stupid things, but this one tops them all.
Wouldn't it be interesting if one year in the last 10 Mr. Romney has not
paid any income taxes. Of course we will never find that out because he
won't release his taxes.
So have we sold our birthright for a mess of pottage? We are offended when a
statement is made, which if applied on a general broad scale is essentially the
truth. We lash out with open fangs when someone tugs at our security blanket,
and pops our dripping wrinkled thumb out of our mouth. Obama may get some
yardage out of this because he has succeeded in pushing us over the precipice of
dependency. He enslaves 50% of the electorate with hollow grandiose words, and
we’re satisfied and comfortable with his free stuff, and he and his
progressive ilk will reign with power and control. That is until the well runs
dry as in Europe. Then we’ll scream and rage on with riotous furor because
our blankets are gone, our thumbs are dry and rotted, and the government coffers
are empty. Security? How about fire balls, cars exploding, riots, and chaos. We
are fools being led to the slaughter.
You need to actually listen to what Romney said. About half (47%) of these
comments aren't even addressing what Romney said. If you pay your taxes,
he's not talking about you! But it doesn't matter, because he was
explaining to those at the fund raiser the stats of the election. And he's
right. About 47% of the vote is in the Obama camp. He said nothing of elderly
social security beneficiaries, and he said nothing about the 47% not being
personally responsible. He's also right about this election. We have come
to that parting of the sea. This is about choosing freedom and dignity, or
bondage to government dependency.
Yep! Lets get rid of the hands that feed us. Obama will lead you down the path
to destruction, and like so many other civilizations will be led to poverty.Not very smart.
Romney told the truth and the problem is the truth hurts. Those in that so
called 47% who already are in Obama's camp will vote for him no matter
what, just like all of the liberals on this board who are already in that 47%.
Every network agrees with Romney on the 47% who have not paid any income tax and
then there are those who put in 2,000 in taxes and gets almost 6,000 back.
Where is the justice there? No our tax system is a shambles and Obama's
only answer is to raise taxes on the richto make them poor so that they are now
equal to those who are in poverty. That is totally and completely ridiculous.
Fact is the fairest and most economical way is to go to a straight flat tax for
every body. No deductions. No tax credits. No tax exempt. For this 47% it is a
tax increase. For the other 53% it is a tax decrease. That is what needs to be
done and yet there isn't a politician anywhere who is willing to step in
and do it.
As a conservative and Romney supporter, I have to admit: It was a stupid
comment. It is absurd to think that only taxpayers will support Romney and low
income people will only support Obama. It was a broad generalization that can
come across as hurtful to low income people. Having said that, the
corrupt liberal media is only too happy to jump all over this mole hill to
distract from all the disasterous policies, scandals, and corruption coming from
the White House.
Have Republicans considered the following? Romney wins and starts to spin dials,
pull levers, slash budgets, cut programs, "free up capital," raise
taxes on the poor and old, lower taxes on the wealthy, increases military
spending -- and "runs" the country like a big corporation. And...
unemployment STAYS FLAT! I'll repeat...stays flat or goes up! This is what
many serious economists have modeled. In other words we may be at a new
threshold of unemployment, as businesses have learned to do more with less. How
about the rest of the picture: by party platform definition there will be less
regulation, less concern with the "general welfare", the environment,
decreased revenue, increased debt, and more hawkish foreign policy, not to
mention the temptation to co-mingle church and state even more. Obama's
"steady as she goes" policy is FAR more achievable and sustainable than
Romney's "get rich quick" scheme. An Obama America is not perfect.
A Romney America is bleak. But the possibility of a Romney America seems to have
evaporated with a single number: 47%! I for one am relieved.
The fact that 47% of this nation is on some sort of welfare is not the fault of
those of us who are working. Why must we pay for them to not work? We are going
broke now! Just add to our burden and make sure we are all poor! So only the
President and the politicians have money! Anyone for communism, and across the
Country mom. 47% are not on welfare. Understand. 47% don'pay taxes
because they don't owe taxes. That is due to our tax code. They itemize
deductions, claim depemdents, etc. If one more person gets on here and implies
that half are our country are freeloaders, dependent on gocvernment, and
unwilling to support themselves I am going to have an icky fit. It is called a
lie. Social Security and medicare are not welfare. there is a small percentage
of the population that may be accurately described as dependent and unmotivated
to provide themselves. To imply that nearly half our country fits into this
category is asinine. Mitt Romney is turning into a huge dissapointment for me.
It is the Republicans not Democrats that are promoting class warfare. Think off
all the people you know. Do you really believe half are on welfare. Really.
With as many gaffes that Vice President Biden has made in the past 4 years, this
isn't even close to any of his real gaffes. The President talking with
Putin on hot mic is a security issue as the President was showing his cards off
the table. President Obama has a book full of things that would
make ones head spin and the press doesn't hold his feet to the fire. They
accept anything from President Obama without a problem. However, they
can't find anything of substance about Mitt Romney but they emphasize how
bad he is from religion, personal beliefs, and now to a statement made 4 months
ago. The proof is in the pudding. Governor Romney has done so much
service for people, neighbors, the country and the state of Massachusetts. A
move by the Massachusetts legislature with healthcare became something President
Obama has used for 3 years as a reason to pass Obamacare.Mitt
didn't go out to have this President do that. This President wanted to
show that a Democratic Massachusetts legislature passed this bill. Governor
Romney signed it as the Democratic controlled legislaature would have overridden
the veto. Win and lose.
Have your icky fit! Why are we expected to pay for those who do not work and
have never worked?
I don't know why anyone is trying to defend Romney on here. Clearly those
that are accusing Romney of the foul play and injustice are part of the 47% that
are not going to be persuaded no matter what he does, you do, or Obama
I want to see Obama under the same scrutiny as Romney. With several articles a
day.It's easy to defend, when no one is attacking you.
county mom said:"Have your icky fit! Why are we expected to pay for
those who do not work and have never worked?"Because we live in
a society, no matter how much the right tries to convince you that everybody, is
on their own and survival of the richest is a divine plan.Someone
already said it but it bear repeating for those not keeping up...Less then 9% of the population receive partial assistance from the government
and less then 4% rely on it as their sole source of income. 91% of Americans
rely solely on their own income and those that make to little are allowed to not
pay personal income taxes but must pay all other taxes. Also...The states with the highest rates of people not paying income taxes are in the
south (and Idaho round out the top 10). Obama won only one of those states in
2008, Florida. Part of why Florida is so high in the rankings is because they
have a lot of elderly who make up a large chunk of the 47%.Mit the
mocker is clueless NOT truthful!
"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and
care for their lives."Sad but true. Not Romney, not Reagan, not
JFK, not even Lincoln!!! The very sad truth about America today is that we are
fast becoming a nation of free loaders and victims and as the saying goes...
freedom is NOT free!! The WWII generation were vastly different than those of
today. Those people were all hard working, sacrificing folks who loved their
country. Not so today. There are still patriotic people out there who still do
ask "what they can do for their country and not what their government will
do for them" but they are less and less. It makes it all the harder when you
have a president who TELLS us we should all be asking what the government can do
for us. American needs a REAL leader so badly!!!
Patriot,You are right America has become a place of freeloaders and
those who don't take responsibility for themselves. Big oil continues to
be subsidized by the American taxpayers, General Electric payed no federal
income tax last year. We can no longer afford to have these types of
freeloaders. Big banks took huge sums of taxpayer bailout money rather than be
responsible for their actions in running their banks into the ground. They
continued to pay exorbitant bonuses to top executives when they were losing
money using taxpayer money. That is certainly being responsible. It is funny that so many criticize lower income Americans for not paying
federal income taxes, but no one seems to want to criticize the 2,000 +
millionaires who paid no federal income, or the corporations who paid no income
tax. They were just doing what was allowed under the current tax code (a lot
like lower income Americans). I agree that we have an entitlement
mentality problem, but lets be honest for once, not all poor people have it, and
there are many rich people that have that same sense of entitlement. Fixing
this problem will require sacrifice by everyone, including the rich.
Fred44, Fixing this problem will require sacrifice by everyone,
including the rich.Well stated: and the right place to start is with
Romney releasing his tax returns and re-patriot all the hundreds of millions of
American dollars and paying and American income tax.
Mitt Romney mistakes earning a lot of money with those who contribute a lot to
society.Poorly paid soldiers and teachers are high contributors,
although they are not high income earners.