I say let's knock off this nonsense and get in a major conference....NOW!!
Idaho and New Mexico State? Is this what independence gives us? Heaven help
In response to the question: Yes, Notre Dame's ACC alliance will impact the
BYU-Irish series. Expect no change in the 2013 game, one trip to Provo about
2016, and a buy out for the remaining three games. This new alliance does
provide an opportunity to initiate discussions between the ACC and BYU that
could be favorable for all parties. A potential compromise would be a home and
home series with three ACC teams rather than a buy out of the remaining three
Notre Dame games (perhaps Wake Forest, Virginia Tech and Maryland). The Notre
Dame series is probably over, but this could be a positive opportunity if
Notre Dames rivalry with USC is forever.That's never changing.Notre Dame wants to play on the West Coast every year.Therefore,
Stanford is in the picture.Not sure that has the tradition of a USC.Perhaps BYU can alternate with Stanford and BYU can play Notre Dame in
the LA Coliseum.It would be a bigger ticket than N.D. Stanford by every
Perhaps BYU can strike a deal similar to ND's new deal??? Perhaps BYU
aligns partially with the Big 12 - playing each one of the Big 12 teams every 3
years would be nice.I love independence. It allows for fans to
travel all over the country and see lots of different teams/stadiums. After a
while, I tire of playing against the same teams in the conference so my hope is
that we stay independent.
Too early to tell, except that the landscape continues to change. The Big 12 let Texas keep the Longhorn Network, so who knows what the future
holds? Don't go wobbly, stay the course and exercise a
particle of trust in the future.
Interesting statement:"It (Notre Dame) abhors playing weak opponents.
It's never played a team from the former Division I-AA and does everything
it can to avoid a non-BCS team.
SoonerUteQuite obviously, Notre Dame doesn't consider BYU a
"weaker" opponent, unlike the Utes, who were completely embarrassed in
their lone audience granted by the Fighting Irish in South Bend.
Which one is more likly?A) One BYU fan thinks ACC is around the
corner with 3 games.B) Yet another thinks BYU will be playing Notre
Dame in PAC-12 Country in the LA Coliseum after they cancel the series with a
PAC-12 team, USC, and then alternate with Stanford.C) Two others
think Big 12 will be calling because the 40 year discussions are coming to a
end. D) New Mexico State agrees with BYU.My guess is D.
But then again I could be wrong.
Good news, I don't think the alliance happens or goes into effect until
2015 with the legal arrangements ND has with the Big East in other sports. So
the games should not be effected until then.The bad news is that ND
will be committed to at least five games with ACC teams. I'm sure games
with Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, USC and Navy will take precedence over
games with BYU because these are traditional rivalry games for ND. Even
Stanford, a relatively new opponent for ND has a longer history. This means 1-2
games might be left on the schedule for BYU to slide into. It will
have an effect probably.
So far, most of the BYU major opponents have the upper hand in scheduling. We
play the first game at their place. Or, we play two games at their place in
return for one at ours. And when we do play them, they usually have their
conference officials. Didn't Ole Miss and Texas have their conference refs?
Note that the Washington State game there were PAC 12 officials. It will be
interesting to see where the refs are from for the Utah game.Currently, the ESPN contract, while lucrative, dictates BYU playing on
Thursday or Saturday nights. (How many people outside of the Rockies ESPN thinks
will watch BYU-Utah, especially at a 10 PM EST kickoff, is anybody's
guess.) Wouldn't 2:00 PM be much, much better for us?Major
conferences would love to have the BYU fan base glued to their TVs. They
don't want much, if anything, to do with no Sunday play, however.
Notre Dame will cancel the last 4 games in the series and won't make a trip
to Provo. BYU will play Idaho and New Mexico State in November games, along with
the service academies. BYU will also stack its September and October schedule
with good teams from around the country. Die hard "Football First" fans
needs to get in line with the priorities of the school and church.
BYU has 2 major problems:1- Without membership in a BCS conference,
they will never get in a BCS bowl game or share in the revenues of the teams in
the conference who do get in. That's where the money is...2- We
have a listless program that is really no better than it was in the 70's
and 80's (1984 excepted). Don't believe me? Just watch Saturday which
team plays with more emotion. As independents, unless we win EVERY game, we
won't get into a BCS bowl.
Dear We're. The PAC12 require all games played by a member must have PAC 12
referees. The only games that don't would be the Nc game. That way the
close calls are in their favor
@ Floyd Johnson"This new alliance does provide an opportunity to
initiate discussions between the ACC and BYU that could be favorable for all
parties"Your *solution* is a unilateral advantage for BYU. Sure,
a payout from the Irish. But, 6 games to replace 3 or 4?If it were a
2 away & 1 home with say Clemson & VA Tech that might be doable. There is a chance to access that National fan base I keep hearing about
& numerous missionary moments; How can Holmoe pass those up?
Honestly, the only course of action BYU has currently is to remain independent.
The Big East is no longer "a major conference" and with all the
realignment going on BYU would do well to remain as they are and wait things
out. If they do well this season in football than scheduling will continue to
improve. If they do poorly... than they still have a pretty decent schedule for
the near-future, comparable to what they faced in the MWC. If the Big 12 ever
calls we should jump at it, but I don't think that's happening until
we get a BCS bowl under our belt, which may take a few years. Fortunately,
things are going pretty well in football right now and the basketball time is
starting to establish itself as a real power. The future is bright for BYU. Go
@ eastcoastcoug 5:57 a.m. Sept. 13, 2012"BYU has 2 major
Can we all stop talking about BCS bowls. Did everybody miss the memo that the
BCS is done after next year? The Big East has no ties to a major bowl, and with
the dissolution of the BCS, I don't see a major advantage to being in that
conference. Definitely doesn't serve BYU. The future is the four-team
playoff, which will likely expand. If BYU can continue to put together good
schedules, they will likely have the needed sos to sneak into the top 4 if they
ever go undefeated.
@OHBU - I was going to write your post. Good job. The BCS bowls are coming to an
end, so it is win, baby win, and SOS. The SOS factor will cause teams to think
twice about scheduling Savanna State and Eastern Washington. They'll have
to schedule big boys like BYU.Boise, Utah, and Hawaii all got BCS
bids by going unbeaten in weak conferences. Won't happen anymore. BYU
should stay independent. The name teams will come calling, and BYU doesn't
care who they are - they'll play them.
byu pretty much owns college football. Noter Dame will have to do anything we
tell them to do.
ND media and others have already said this move was done to make their football
scheduling easier. Their independent status will not last much longer, they will
join a conference.BYU would be affiliating the Big 12 for the same
reason that ND did not. Why add Texas, TCU, Kansas St, Oklahoma, WV and other
power schools to their schedule along with rivals like Michigan, USC and
Michigan St?ND went the ACC route because its not as tough there.BYU does not have power rivalries that ND does.Sure BYU could very well
make some form of agreement with the Big 12, but the fact still remains it will
be tough to fill out their schedule and be left with New Mexico St, Idaho....and
others again.Conference SOS is the wave of the future in the new
playoff system. If not as some of you claim. Why are the Pac 12, Big 12, Big 10
and SEC talking about it?
BYU, looks like you better start practicing your apology to Craig Thompson.
"Take me back baby, I was wrong to leave you...I need you, I love you,
I'll never walk out again." Something along those lines. If not, and BYU remains to be independent, I have come up with a theme for
you. I know BYU likes themes! Not Band of Brothers or Quest for Perfection.Make the Lavern and Shirley song your theme! "We'll do it our
way, yes our way, make all our dreams come true for me and you."Go get'em! To the serious Cougar fans, my condolences, the Big 12 would
look pretty good right now.
Wildcat - just keep rooting for weber state.
@Tom in CAWith pleasure! Weber State is in a stable conference
(comparable to the SEC in FCS). GO WILDCATS!We had Lillard...you
had the Fredette.Good luck to the Cougars. We look forward to
continue working with BYU on their future independent schedules. Keep those
checks coming our way!
BYU, you are going to be left out if you do not get into a conference.
Wouldn't it be cooler if it was Utah PAC-12, BYU BIG-12. Never going to
happen though. IMO there has been some very questionable calls by the higher
ups. Don't really care what happens with the Y but two big conferences in
this state, WOW. We would have played each other for ever.
The plot thickens...I bet the Big East morphs into two divisions
with one of them looking suspiciously like some version of the Mountain West
Conference. I could see San Diego State, Utah State, Boise State, BYU, UNLV,
Nevada-Reno, and Fresno State. Those are good schools for Basketball and Olympic
sports. There would be enough good football programs in the combined East/West
Conference to have credibility for consideration for the National Championship
game. If you keep the divisions small you can still have plenty of games with
other schools to put together a competitive schedule. The fact that some of
these schools have some hard feelings about how the conference realignment has
unfolded is not lost on me, but I think those issues can be overcome.Stay tuned...
oops i meant cancelling th byu series to play better teams*
OHBU "Can we all stop talking about BCS bowls. Did everybody miss the memo
that the BCS is done after next year?"You didn't read the
memo. The bowls still exist without the BCS name. However, they kicked out the
Big East, so it is even more exclusive. The final four will most likely be the
same bowls.BYU needs to make a deal like Notre Dame ASAP.
let me use byu fan logic here. since ND is cancelling the byu series (to make
their SOS better) to play better big name schools it means they're scared.
ok i get it now.
Just beat Utah on Saturday night and we'll see a lot less of these arrogant
Ute fans on BYU articles.
Let me guess, my poor Cougs are going to receive the short end of the stick.
"ute fans" quit being so pathetic. the game takes place on the field.
BYU is doing just fine with Independence.Notre Dame will keep it's
games with BYU.With the 5 ACC games, SC, Stanford and Navy all
locks, look for ND to keep 4 open dates a year to get to all regions of the
Country.Notre Dame has to cover the Nation for their fan base, as
does BYU. Independence is the only way to do this.The games
which will be changed up will be their BIG (10) games. Michigan, Michigan
St. and Purdue. This is where their alterations will be made.ND must
play in every region, BYU is in the Rocky Mtn. region and therefore is safe.Sorry folks, BYU likes it's Olympic Sports in the WCC for travel
purposes and fan base.The only way BYU joins a Conference is if the
Big East can leverage their Basketball prowess into a Major TV deal and a Major
Bowl tie in. Also, they will have to play ball with BYU on BYU-TV,
Rebroadcast and Home Game rights. And some sort of deal would have to include
BYU's exclusive ESPN contract.It's about Exposure and
Money. Let's all just enjoy the ride....
Ernest How is moms basement?
ESPN says "BYU: The programs are slated to meet in South Bend this year and
next, with four games split between the two schools' locations sometime in
2014-20. That will probably be all for these two schools, assuming they can even
keep those games alive."
I try to be realistic and pragmatic. I just don't see any way BYU gets
invited to a BCS Conference on BYU terms. The Big 12 is required to take all of
a school's sports, not just football. And there is just now way they would
change their schedules and tournaments to accommodate BYU's no Sunday rule.
The Big Least will accomodate football only but I don't think BYU is
interested enough to sacrifice their TV rights to join that conference. Besides,
BE and BYU had already reached an impasse last time they talked. So
to all you wishful thinkers. Joining a BCS conference is not in the cards. And
no, Ute Trolls, it is not because we wouldn't be competitive. It is because
of our own self-imposed restrictions. To those who are talking about
"dissolution of the BCS"--The ones talking about a real playoff are the
BCS people themselves. If you don't think they are going to maintain their
good ole boy club in regard to a national playoff, you are very naive. Get used
to independence. Sadly, that is our only option right now.
UteologyWhich one is more likely?BYU joining the Big
12.BYU obsessed Utah fans actually obsessing about teams in the PAC
12 and "leaving BYU behind," like they said they were going to do over
two years ago.It's laughable that Utah has hung PAC 12 banners
from every light pole in Salt Lake City, yet the Utes continue to obsess about
the future opponents and television schedules of a supposedly irrelevant
independent.-----------btw, when was the last time a
Utah fan actually posted on a blog of their "new rival," Colorado?
midpacmajorSalt Lake City, UtahUteologyWhich one is more
likely?BYU joining the Big 12.BYU obsessed Utah fans
actually obsessing about teams in the PAC 12 and "leaving BYU behind,"
like they said they were going to do over two years ago.It's
laughable that Utah has hung PAC 12 banners from every light pole in Salt Lake
City, yet the Utes continue to obsess about the future opponents and television
schedules of a supposedly irrelevant independent.-----------btw, when was the last time a Utah fan actually posted on a blog of
their "new rival," Colorado?___________________Why don't you go look and find out for yourself.The road to
independence is paved without rivals without the prestige of Notre Dame.Regards,Wishful Thinking BYU Fan