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  • TallGuy1970 Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    Go Hobby Lobby! No matter how noble and honorable the intentions may be, this health care law is overreaching in its demands and is infringing on personal rights!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Good for Hobby Lobby

    How do feminist fundamentalists credibly claim to be pro-choice when they work to deny anyone the right to not participate in their choice? (the HHS mandate goes much further than getting others to pay for birth-control, it requires others pay for sterilizations and abortion-inducing drugs, etc)

    That is faux-choice.

    I read a great headline: "If Muslims Rioted Over the HHS Mandate, Obama Would Apologize"

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    The personal rights the health care law is supposedly infringing upon disappear when someone needs health care and can't afford it. I'm getting tired of this and that outfit wanting to cherry pick what they want to cover. The morning after pill is pretty innocuous; if you don't want to cover that then you should have to cover the cost of an unwanted pregnancy to 21 years old.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Sept. 12, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    Not mentioned here is that compliance with this rule could cost Hobby Lobby 850 full time jobs. Now multiply that by all the other companies the Obama administration is attacking! This Administration has a endless dislike for businesses and has and is going after Hobby Lobby, Boeing, all the Hospitals, Gibson Guitar ect. Where does it end? where will it end?

    How bad does it have to get until We The People stand against this Failed President?

    The failures are manifest daily!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    "The personal rights the health care law is supposedly infringing upon disappear"

    No: they don't

    Your rights stop where mine begin: The fact that you don't understand that is exactly why I question the hard left even more than I do the hard right.

    Intolerance in the name of feminism, civil rights or gay rights is NO better than hate in the name of God, motherhood or patriotism; it is merely more fashionable and therefore more dangerous

  • Conner Johnson
    Sept. 12, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    Hobby Lobby CEO and founder David Green credits God's grace and provision with Hobby Lobby's success, and said the company cannot abandon its religious standards in order to comply with the mandate.

    —Get off your high horse, and become current with the times.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Sept. 12, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    Hutterit, talk about cherry picking. You suggest Hobby Lobby be responsible for an unwanted pregnancy? Forget that they are providing coverage for maturnity?
    Also, this "unwanted" stuff really cranks my brain.
    If you don't want to get pregnant then don't have sex, or use a contraseptive which there coverage does pay for. Otherwise stop trying to make everyone responsible for your actions.

    And if you can call a morning after pill "pretty innocuous" then you really just don't see the bigger picture.

    I got an unwanted 10 lbs of fat over the summer until I quit eating so much and burned it off.

  • Bill McGee Alpine, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    In what way will compliance with this rule cost Hobby Lobby 850 jobs? Just because Hobby Lobby is run by someone who is opposed to the morning after pill doesn't mean he gets to tell his employees how they can live their lives. This is a frivolous, politically motivated, election year lawsuit that has no chance as the one filed by the Catholic church was already dismissed.

    It is easy to argue that if someone doesn't want to get pregnant that they not have sex. Not every 14-year-old girl makes consistently good decisions, and telling her that she has to just live with a terrible mistake is inhumane. And if we start legislating morality, then what do you do when Muslims want Shari'ah Law or your local coven wants equal time to pray in school. This is a slippery slope you do not want to start down.

    BTW, the morning after pill is NOT an abortion pill. It is simply the equivalent amount of estrogen found in about three birth control pills, and prevents a fertilized egg from implanting - which already happens in the majority of cases naturally anyway.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    Hutterite,

    sorry you have such little regard for the 1st amendment.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    Nice, I just found a new place to shop.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    I agree with Hobby Lobby, the Govt. should not have the power to force people to provide things that are contrary to the business owners personal morals/ethics.

    Business provided health insurance needs to be changed. Someone goes into business to provide a product or service and to make money. Along the way the business becomes saddles with the responsibility to provide health insurance to its employees. This model first started just after WW2 as an incentive to attract employees. Then health insurance was cheap. Now health insurance probably accounts for at least 10 - 15% of the cost of the employee if not more. Insurance companies no doubt like the current arrangement. To save money businesses try to set up health programs and then some employees gripe that the business is meddling where they have no right.

    I say give the money that is currently paid for insurance to the employees so they can purchase their own insurance. If they want morning after pill insurance they can buy it themselves. Get business out of this employee healthcare equation and we might see a lot more people starting businesses. Might even see the cost of health insurance decrease.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    --Get off your high horse, and become current with the times.

    I think that was a popular saying in Sodom and Gomorrah. ;)

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Sept. 12, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    To: Bill McGee:

    Thank you for your question. The fines costing Hobby Lobby funds takes away jobs. The daily fine of 1.3 million dollars. Where do you think the funds will come from? If Hobby Lobby has to pay 26 million in additional funds: Where do you think the 26 million would come from? Job contraction. It is simple enough to figure. Hobby Lobby does not get funds from the government to throw away on failed energy stimulus so any funds they need to pay from something come from profits, or are pulled from benefits, existing jobs or reinvestment funds to open more stores. Hobby Hobby is opening new locations every month. Maybe not if reinvestment capital becomes government money.

    As my parents said " MONEY does NOT grow on trees!"

    I am also aware of other businesses being attacked by the administration through Law Suits, Excessive Regulations, Obamacare, no Updated Tax Policy!

  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    Sept. 12, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    Bill McGee @ 4:19 p.m.: "Just because Hobby Lobby is run by someone who is opposed to the morning after pill doesn't mean he gets to tell his employees how they can live their lives."

    Huh? Where did you read that David Green is trying to tell his employees how they can live their lives?

    I can refuse to buy booze or crack cocaine for someone on moral grounds, but I'm not dictating their lifestyle or personal habits.

  • metisophia Ogden, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    Hobby Lobby or any company should know that they are not providing any contraceptives to their employees. They are providing health insurance as a cost effective perk to their employees who are making their own choices based on medical need. And by cost effective, I mean they get a tax break because it is not taxed as payroll.

    Employers do not have a first amendment right to restrict the medical decisions of their employees.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 6:42 p.m.

    Come the revolution...you will do as you are told.
    I want America back.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    You can't reason with a liberal intent on being taken care of from cradle to grave. It's good to see corporations standing up to the ACA's unconstitutional provisions.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:51 p.m.

    So - the owner of Hobby Lobby thinks he should get to dictate to his employees how they live their lives because if they use medication of which he disapproves, it is a violation of his religious principles?

    And people are okay with this?

    Should the owner of a restaurant that serves alcohol be able to require all her employees to drink a glass of wine every night because it has proven health benefits?

    Should the owner of a health food store be able to prohibit his employees from eating meat?

    Should an employer get to determine how many children you have or how often you and your spouse are intimate? Because allowing your employer to determine your access to birth control gives him exactly that ability.

  • Vaughn J Kearns, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    OBAMA thinks that the government should provide the health care to all individuals. This is accomplished by forcing use to buy insurance, or have company provided insurance. The companies are required to provided government mandated insurance. Hey that is the same as putting a TAX on every company that has employees. If they cannot recuperate the costs in increased product costs, READ AS TAXES FOR HEALTH CARE, THEN they will have to reduce staff to reduce operating costs.

    The added taxes to medical suppliers will also be passed on to the consumer, where does anyone think that it is the companies that actually pay the taxes. They simply act as a tax collector for the government, siphoning off our hard to get $$$$.

    REPEAL OBAMA CARE; ELECT REPUBLICANS

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    Right Vaughan J.... elect more Republicans. ALEC needs more gophers.

    As for me, I'm going to exercise the rights I defended for 13 years in the Military. The right to boycott Hobby Lobby. I don't spend a lot at their store in Layton but not I won't be spending anything there anymore.

  • sparkey Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    The AMAZING thing to me about all of this is the fact that we, as a people, have agreed to allow the Federal Government to MANDATE that a PRIVATE business offer health insurance AT ALL!!! I certainly agree that no PRIVATE company should be forced to compromise their religious or any other sort of convictions just because the government says that they have to. Worse than that however is that the government is forcing companies to pay for health insurance for their employees!!!

    Is it a good idea for companies to offer health insurance? Sure, as long as they can afford it. If they don't they risk losing good employees to their competitors or to other businesses. NEVERTHELESS, it is their right to run their business the way they like in this regard. If they fail then they fail. If an employee does not like the fact that their employer does not offer health insurance then they have the right to go look for a different job!!!

    In no way should we EVER have let this happen!!! It's mind-boggling that we've let the government have this sort of power!

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    I am not a crafter, and have been an infrequent shopper at Hobby Lobby. However, I'm thinking I'd better change my ways and show support for a company that takes this stand. Thank you leaders of Hobby Lobby. I may not be into making clever crafts, but I like your reasoning.

  • sparkey Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    Kalindra,

    You are missing a huge point here. Hobby Lobby does not OWN its employees. They are a private company and frankly have the right to "demand" all sorts of things of their employees. No one is holding a gun to the heads of the employees and forcing them to work for Hobby Lobby! No one! If they do not like how Hobby Lobby runs their business they are FREE TO LOOK ELSEWHERE for their employment or to start their own business. Hobby Lobby is not forcing them to do anything because the term "force" implies that they have no choice but to continue to work for Hobby Lobby whether they want to or not. Well, that's called SLAVERY and frankly, its the US government that is engaging in behavior that is much more closely tied to slave ownership than Hobby Lobby. The Government is acting like they can DICTATE to private companies how they should run their business and they are backing this up with increadibly heavy fines and threats or litigation etc.

    A private business has the right to run things as they see fit. They may go out of business but they have that right!

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    The problem is many businesses don't want to provide health insurance. They are comfortable with compensating CEOs 400 times more than rank and file workers but not with providing benefits like health insurance. I would be terrified if I were uninsured. We need to fundamentaly reform health care in this country. It is to expensive and it is to difficult to obtain private insurance. This contraceptive issue is a just a diversion from the real issue. If a woman is a victim of rape or incest and can take a pill within 24 to 48 hours and prevent an unwanted pregnancy I am all for it. That does not mean I support abortion. I don't consider that an abortion.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 13, 2012 3:07 a.m.

    Kalindra:
    "The owner of Hobby Lobby thinks he should get to dictate to his employees how they live their lives because if they use medication of which he disapproves, it is a violation of his religious principles?"

    Actually, no. That is not the issue. Health insurance is a way to spread the risk evenly. Hobby Lobby's owner puts money into a pot and if an employee gets cancer, needs stiches, etc. The money is available to pay the employee’s medical costs. The government is telling the owner of Hobby Lobby that now he must pay for his employees’ health insurance which will increase his cost of doing business. Furthermore, the government is also dictating to him that he has to pay for a morning after pill. It is probably his religious belief that life begins at conception, so he objects to this on religious grounds.

    He is not telling his employees how to live their lives. He is objecting that he has to pay for it. They can do whatever they want as so should he.

    I hope this helps.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Bill McGee: "Not every 14-year-old girl makes consistently good decisions, and telling her that she has to just live with a terrible mistake is inhumane."

    What is inhumane about living with our mistakes? That is life. We learn and grow from the mistakes we make. That 14 year old girl needs better parenting if she doesn't understand the consequences of having sex. And it's not the responsibility of the parents employers to pay for that 14 year old's mistake either.

    I will continue to support Hobby Lobby. This administration only wants to turn us into a welfare state / socialist country.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    If Hobby Lobby or any other company doesn't provide the type of coverage you want, such as the morning after pill, then those employees are free to look for work elsewhere. That is the free market system in action. The government has no right to force any company to private a specific level of health benefit.

    Fire Obama!!!

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    NeilT said: "This contraceptive issue is a just a diversion from the real issue. If a woman is a victim of rape or incest and can take a pill within 24 to 48 hours and prevent an unwanted pregnancy I am all for it. That does not mean I support abortion."

    Some people in this country still believe in the freedom of religion and consider that a REAL issue. It doesn't matter if a woman was raped or just wasn't careful while messing around, the government has NO RIGHT to require her employer, by force, to provide for her abortion, whether it's a morning after pill or a full on late term abortion, if that violates the employers freedom of religion! It's like the Constitution doesn't even matter anymore. The Obama Administration and their supporters ought be totally ashamed of themselves!

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Tekakaromatagi

    Jehovah's Witness followers don't believe in blood transfusions. Should a company owned by a Jehovah's Witness with employees of other beliefs be able to tell those employees that their medical coverage won't cover blood transfusions?

    Same concept applies here.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    With all the complaints of the government mandating what will and will not be covered, one point seems to be left out: Insurance companies are far more invasive and restrictive in coverage than the ACA. I had a plan that would not cover certain prescriptions, and would also not cover heart or lung transplants. That was in 1998! Insurance companies are in business to make PROFIT, not to help people.

    I don't see what the big deal is with Hobby Lobby's position. They do not want to cover abortion, but they do cover contraceptives. All rights come with responsibilities. If I own a gun, I have a responsibility to my fellow citizens to use it safely. We all have rights, but we also have to live up to the responsibilities that come with them.

    Lastly, I find the argument to "catch up with the times" hilarious! Society keeps changing, but God does not change. We live in a society that will continue to be at odds with religious principles for this very reason. That is exactly why the 1st ammendment and it's religious protections must be defended and preserved.

  • toshi1066 OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    Joanne's and Michael's will see even more of my money now. Employers need to get on with business and stop staying up all night worrying that their employees might have sex.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    @ Sparky: No - you are missing the point. Businesses offer health insurance to their employees as part of the compensation package - instead of paying the employee a higher wage, businesses offer insurance - this provides several benefits to the employer: they have a healthier workforce, it is a very desirable benefit so employees are willing to work for substantially less than if the benefit were not offered and employees had to buy insurance on their own, it saves the employer on the taxes he has to pay, and, since it is a "benefit" and not a wage, it can be removed fairly easily in comparison to the alternative of lowering employee wages.

    Even with it being a benefit offered by the employer, the employee still pays part of the cost directly out of his or her paycheck.

    The employer is not providing the insurance to the employee out of the goodness of his heart. The employer is not providing anything to the employee that the employee is not earning. Insurance is part of the employee's benefit package - and the employer should not get to use the employee's paycheck to force his religious beliefs on the employee.

  • Rob Logan, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 7:15 p.m.

    Amen. You go Hobby Lobby. We will support you.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 14, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    @silo:

    You bring up the issue of the Jehovah's witnesses. That is a good question. I wonder how that would be solved? The next time that I talk with Jehovah's Witnesses I might discuss it with them.

    The bigger issue is that when the government decides to extending more rights to us, in this case, a right to health care from our employers, some of the new rights start impeding on the old rights like the right of freedom of religion. It becomes a big mess.

    Instead of helping, it is hurting.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    To Tekakaromatagi 6:49 a.m. Sept. 14, 2012

    Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    @silo:

    You bring up the issue of the Jehovah's witnesses. That is a good question. I wonder how that would be solved? The next time that I talk with Jehovah's Witnesses I might discuss it with them.

    ------------------

    I have. Our next door neighbors are Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't mind paying for the insurance, recognizing that its provisions are for the good of all; they just choose not to use that feature of it.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    I am surprised at some people's total disregard for the Constitution anymore. If a Jehovah's Witness doesn't want to pay for someone else's blood transfusion, because they feel it is against their religion, they should NOT be forced by the federal or state government to do so.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    @Kalindra

    "So - the owner of Hobby Lobby thinks he should get to dictate to his employees how they live their lives because if they use medication of which he disapproves, it is a violation of his religious principles?"

    You completely totally entirely miss the point

    You can live your life, buy whatever pills you want or get whatever supplemental insurance you want: However; the government does not have the right to force people to pay for your pills against their own religious convictions - check the First Amendment non-interference with religion clause. You are NOT the victim here (you are the perpetrator)

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 1:22 p.m.

    I once liked Hobby Lobby.

    Not anymore.

  • kiapolo Provo, MA
    Sept. 14, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    This has nothing to do with them being forced to provide health insurance. They don't have to provide health insurance at all if they don't want to. What they can't do, is provide health insurance, but pick and choose that it covers things they like, or dislike. Do you really want companies to be able to make your health care choices for you?

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    Repeal and replace with simple common sense. Employers pay money to employees for their work. Employees do whatever they want with their money.

    Health insurance is not health care. Health care is not health insurance. Health insurance should be like car insurance, fire insurance, flood insurance, life insurance (the list goes on and on). It pays for catastrophe. You buy insurance to be insured against a disaster. It shouldn't pay for anything else.

    Doctor visits should be cash, check or credit card unless it is something you purchased your insurance for like cancer, broken bone, Alzheimer, blindness, etc. The more things you put on your insurance list, the more your premiums.

    Why would the government ever think they needed to be involved?

  • xredfoxx Austin, Texas
    Sept. 21, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    If you support companies having the freedom to make their own choices, and not being forced into policies with which they don't agree, please stand up and be heard! Be the vocal majority!!

  • xredfoxx Austin, Texas
    Sept. 21, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    If you support companies having the freedom to make their own choices, and not being forced into policies with which they don't agree, please stand up and be heard! Be the vocal majority!!
    Join us on Facebook!! groups/SupportHobbyLobby