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Kathleen Parker: MSNBC leads the way for unobjective journalists

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  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Sept. 11, 2012 5:39 a.m.

    It takes a lot of chutzpa for a conservative columnist, from the conservative Washington Post, to criticize MSNBC, for being liberal! Anyone who watches MSNBC for over 3 minutes can tell that they have a liberal slant on the news, just like anyone who watches Fox can tell that they are a mouthpiece for the Republican Party. It looks to me like Ms. Parker is upset because the liberals have found a popular counter balance to the hordes of conservative talking heads. Watch a Rachel Maddow Show, and then watch Rush, and tell me who makes more sense.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 11, 2012 5:40 a.m.

    I would have to agree with Ms Parkers assessment of MSNBC. I was also glad that she noted "Morning Joe" as an exception. This is one show I DVR daily.

    MSNBC is certainly a left leaning network. And some are "hard to stomach" left.
    One must be partisan delusional to not recognize that.

    What I dont understand is the people who watch Fox News daily, and then complain about MSNBC's agenda.

    Anyone who thinks Fox is fair and balanced is equally delusional. And that's OK. Just recognize it for what it is..

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    No rant about FOX? Funny how conservatives think everything should be reported in favor of them.

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    The assessment that MSNBC is not objective is fair. The assessment that Fox News is not objective is fair. Both are largely uncritical of their side and critical of the other. If one were to watch them both, side by side, however, I'm still not sure the viewing public would be served.

    I once thought the age of real-time information would bring real-time understanding. It has not. It has only made the world a more confusing place. People seek out information sources that match their preconceptions, if not misconceptions.

    To see how people can be manipulated by these news sources is frightening.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    foxnews isn't even a news network, but an entertainment one.

    Yet, many from the right take everything they hear on fox as truth.

    Foxnews makes MSNBC look like the most authentic and truthful media out there.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    poor little liberal victims
    its tough to swallow your own medicine

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    For this newspaper to publish an opinion piece decrying political bias in news organizations is just... well, let's just say it's the best belly-laugh I've had in a long time.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    I'm glad PMSNBC is on cable. I don't take nor want cable.

    The problem is even the free networks are "all in" for Obama. ABC and NBC BOTH make sure they do a large amount of cheerleading for the Democratic party. CBS isn't so bad. PBS, I think have begun to be a little less left-leaning. Maybe because of the threat of de-funding?

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    I am not so sure that MSNBC calls themselves "fair and balanced" like Fox News. So who is really not objective when they claim to be.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    1conservative
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    I'm glad PMSNBC is on cable.

    ============

    I knew it, I knew!

    I just knew there would be at least one Rush Limbaugh Ditto-head to parrot his male-chavenistic name for it.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    Pot (kathleen parker) meet kettle (MSNBC).

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    The story SHOULD say: "MSNBC and FoxNews lead the way for unobjective journalists." Both of them shill for a particular part of the political spectrum (just like the DesNews in the print medium). That's why I strongly advocate for people reading all sources across the political spectrum, and then realize that there is truth and falsity in ALL of them.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    @1conservative -- PMSNBC? I don't get it. What's the joke? Does it mean macho men don't watch the channel or are you trying to say that it's a woman's channel so it's silly and not worth listening to or what?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    The business model worked for Fox, so MSNBC decided that was the way to go.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    @1conservative
    "I'm glad PMSNBC"

    What are you, a frat boy?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Re: "It takes a lot of chutzpa for a conservative columnist, from the conservative Washington Post . . . ."

    Conservative columnist? Conservative Washington Post? Talk about chutzpah!

    The flawed basis of liberals' incessant whine is that modern media outlets no longer embrace or advance their warped, radical, leftist, Cronkite-esque view of the universe, which they disingenuously define as "truth." That view rests on the socialist propagandist's disingenuous dogma that truth has a left or right slant, and that it's the leftist's job to ridicule, prohibit, co-opt, or shout down anything other than that leftist slant.

    Truth actually doesn't have a left/right slant.

    FoxNews, more so than others, at least, typically attempts to find ground truth and report it. If they say a poll shows "X," that a person said "Y," or that "Z" occurred or didn't occur -- most likely, it's true. When they report opinion, it's identified as such.

    The same cannot be said of corporate MSNBC, though certain reporters may be exceptions that prove the rule.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    @procuradorfiscal
    fox news tries to find ground truth? Kind of hard to even have a rational discussion when the bases of your argument is so far from reality.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    whether you believe one or the other group is fair, pew research polls say that only 29 percent believe news organizations are accurate in reporting the news. Only 18 percent believe the media is unbiased. This is a poll of both liberals and conservatives. What it means is most people don't believe they can get a straight answer from the press.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    Re: "Kind of hard to even have a rational discussion . . . ."

    I agree -- leftist dogma is so far from rational, it's hard to assimilate, let alone understand.

    The "bases" of my argument, same as that of most real people, is that truth leans neither right nor left -- it just is. It's the job of "news" outlets to report the truth with a minimum of spin, identify their opinions as such, and leave real people to draw appropriate conclusions from the facts.

    As even Walter Cronkite eventually got old and crotchety enough to admit, "mainstream" media have not done that job for many, many years. They have a long, long history of telling us only the part of the story that supports their agenda, suppressing or spinning anything that doesn't, and spouting leftist ideology as fact.

    FoxNews, for all its faults, is at least not tainted by that shameful past, and comes closer than most to doing journalism's job.

    MSNBC, on the other hand, is stuck in, even proud of, the discredited Cronkite tradition.

  • ronnie sandy, utah
    Sept. 11, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    This article says more about the the Editorial Board's fantasy in assessing or comparing objective journalism than anything else.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz and others on MSNBC are the antithesis of news. They are not journalists, but rather flagrant campaigners for Mr. Obama. Mendacity is not even an issue when you are being that buffoonish, as in Stephanie Cutter, Joe Biden, Debbie Wassermann-Schultz ad nauseum.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    Hey, you've got fox. The entire AM band, and a bunch of stuff on shortwave as well. MSNBC is unapologetically liberal. Don't expect an apology.

  • wingnutty Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 11, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    Too bad the tag line "fair and balanced" is allready taken by FOX.

    "Obama is a communist, but you decide..... Up next, Obama plans to take your guns, Romney is giving away free puppies, fox news, fair and balanced!"

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    Sept. 11, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    One of the best advise my dad gave to me was "Don't beleive anything you hear - and only half of what you see."

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    re: liberal larry

    Rachel makes foar more sense than Limbaugh.

    re: JoeBlow

    "MSNBC is certainly a left leaning network. And some are "hard to stomach" left. "

    Like Ed Schultz?

    I'll watch any/all news for info. Shortly after the opinion or propaganda stats, I change the channel.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    I think your statement "most real people?" pretty well says it all about your ability to rationally examine the information you take in

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:41 p.m.

    "Like Ed Schultz? "

    Absolutely. Throw in O'donnell and Reverend Al.
    I have no desire to watch someone when I know their answer before they say anything.

    But, anyone who thinks that MSNBC is any more partisan than Fox news is delusional.

    Can someone on the right tell me who is NOT considered the Lamestream Media?
    Who does the Right think reports fairly?

    Cause it looks to me that anyone who does not lean right is a Liberal.
    Any media outlet that does not stump for the GOP is biased.
    Any FactChecker who calls "pants on fire" on a Republican is in the tank for the Dems.

    Just looking to understand.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:15 a.m.

    Fox shocks liberals because, unlike tradition television media, they actually voice other points of view.
    Their news is separate from their opinion and they have liberal opinion writers on staff (Juan Williams, Ellen Ratner). Indeed Fox writer, Sally Kohn mindlessly regurgitated Stephanie Cutter's lies giving the Huffington Post an excuse to claim "even Fox hates Ryan"

    MSNBC takes the media bias to am entire new level and strips it of any real news and silences ALL other opinions.

    Anyone who cannot see that MSNBC is the most biased of all television news is simply playing ostrich

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Fox shocks liberals because, unlike tradition television media, they actually voice other points of view.

    ==========

    That's NOT Journalism!
    Journalism isn't supposed to voice their points of view - it' supposed to REPORT.

    What you and Faux News call news is actually Yellow Journalism, Sensatonalism, Talboid Journalism and Media Bias.

    And you said it youself -- "unlike tradition television media, they actually voice other points of view."

    unlike traditional television media who actually just report, and try to keep their points of view to themselves?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Sept. 12, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    Nice try LDS Lib

    But when your network (obamas) reports news from their liberal perspective, that's not journalism! When they conveniently edit, and leave out portions of information, that support thee leftist ideals, that's not journalism! When they only show interviews from the leftist perspective of an event, that's not journalism ! So you really can't go on and on as though that is the TRUE standard of journalis for the rest of us to go by. Thats called Yellow journalism, sensationalism, and media bias!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    LDS Liberal
    Are your really so naive as to think the media cannot pick and choose "facts" to prove a "truth"?
    Nobody actually "just reports" because facts, often critical facts, are left out by the conscious choices of any reporter, and that can make a massive difference in perception.
    One can prove the earth is flat if they pick their facts selectively enough, without ever saying anything inaccurate.
    One cannot get a full understanding of any situation without multiple perspectives.

    But thank you anyhow: You provide a mirror for me to remind myself that I need measure my own statements or else I will be taken just as seriously as you.

  • sense,please Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    Could procuradorfiscal explain to me how an exception proves "the rule'?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    re: The Real Maverick 8:05 a.m. Sept. 11, 2012

    "foxnews isn't even a news network, but an entertainment one."

    If I want entertainment from fox then I'll watch the Simpsons or Family guy.

    Homer & Peter > Billo & pretty boy Sean

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 9:07 p.m.

    @ Hemlock

    "Mendacity is not even an issue when you are being that buffoonish, as in Stephanie Cutter, Joe Biden, Debbie Wassermann-Schultz ad nauseum."

    What about Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Grover Norquist, Steve Forbes yada yada yada