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Scott Howell says Democratic National Convention has 'Mormon moments,' too

Howell totes scriptures around with him at DNC

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  • Grammy3 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:21 a.m.

    I just have a really big problem with the Mormon Democrats because of the issue on abortion. How can you stand being involved with those who want to kill innocent babies is beyond me. I believe that abortion is o.k. when the mother's health is at risk and the choice has to be for the mother over saving the baby when other children need their mother. Rape also I feel is a reason for abortion but other than that I can not understand how you can have that as part of your platform. Abortion is murder no matter how far along the pregnancy is. There are plenty of people out there who would love to adopt a baby so to me it is just selfish on the part of the women who want this.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 5:19 a.m.

    scott,
    nice try. your democratic platform doesn't cut it with most Utahns and certainly not with most mormons. until the dems change what they espouse they will continue to be defeated in utah. And this comes from a person raised as a dem. It is a much different party than it used to be.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 6:05 a.m.

    Scott Howell is a decent, good man, and there are a lot of decent, good Mormons that belong to the Democratic Party. His problem however is that there just aren't enough of them in Utah to get him elected. The Democrats don't share the same values as the majority of Utahns.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 6, 2012 6:34 a.m.

    I know this is going to get the standard set of comments that members who are Democrats should be ex'ed and all.... and that is fine. The people of make those comments see the world in a very narrow light.

    But how do you change policy you don't like? If you agree with a particular platform of a group you mostly agree with, you do it from within. The more people inside the democratic party disagree with abortion, the more likely that platform will be minimalized. I get some don't believe the PEW Research numbers about Democrats who don't support abortion, to the numbers of LDS people affiliated either liberal or moderate. But you don't have to look far to see that over 40% of Utahns claim neither party, particularly because of this all or nothing mentality the extremes on both sides of the political spectrum have forced on their parties.

    We do need to take our country back. But it is from the parties is who we need to take it back from. Enough extremism on both sides. It is ok to have conservative democrats, and moderate republicans, and Mormons who are both.

  • omni scent taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 7:45 a.m.

    Grammy3: your opinion on abortion actually puts you more in line with the democrat platform over the republican platform. I dln't know of anyone that advocates "abortion on demand" as I've heard other posters on these forums say, like it is something you get at a drive thru. However, it is these cases like rape, incest, and life in danger that need it. Many on the republican side say no exceptions.
    It gets tricky for things like rape: does it need to be a forcible rape? Would you need a conviction for the rapist in order to get the3 procedure? If so, we would need to speed up our courts (how long did it take Brian David Mitchell to get convicted)
    How about we make the procedure legal, but do what we can to provent it by promoting adoption, teaching comprehensive sex education in schools, improving the situation for the poor so they can afford to raise kids, not cutting sCHIP and otherhealth plans for kids so that they can be healthy after birth, etc.
    Anyhow, let's stop using this as a reason to attack the democrats.

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    This is a nice sentiment but with the new Democratic platform that supports abortion, homosexuality, no longer recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and has eliminated any mention of God from the platform statement I do not see how any faithful LDS person can support the Democratic Party.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    Hooray for Scott Howell! As a life long conservative, this was amusing! My impressions were: First, this guy has no idea how out of step he is with Democratic values these days; Two, wow, he unashamedly is putting his religion front and center; Third, he really might make a difference with that party; Fourth, he suffers from delusion; Fifth, no matter who is leading this nation, it still is going to come down to whether it is right to compel people to be charitable and compassionate (Socialism will not work; Capitalism must have within its adherents compassion and charity to make a better world). So, at least Scott Howell is doing something that everyone should be doing, trying to bring truth to the table! Way to go! As someone that usually only reserves disdain and contempt for any political party that doesn't support the constitution and our God-given rights, he offers a small reprive!

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 6, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    I truly believe Mormon dems, choose that party, just to be defiant.
    Thats it, and that's all.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    Since this article is about the Church and the DNC with people such as Scott Howell, who is running against Senator Hatch, it is interesting that their party's Platform didn't include anything about God until the Republicans and radio/TV talk hosts kept on hounding the DNC about that issue. That is a basic document of their beliefs and future of our country. The discourse on that is forgotten in this article. The Tea Party and their religious right has had a similar approach with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but distinct differences. The loss in South Carolina for Mitt Romney was a blast from the evangelicals against the Church.

    As the name of the Church indicates that Christ and God are the leaders of the Church through a Prophet, such as in the olden days. The right to life and other issues are an integral part of the Church and it's members. You cannot divorce those beliefs for a political gain.

    The DNC is a Hollywood type of approach along with the community organizing movement to get to the emotions of people. What the preacher of those speeches is doing is emotional.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Some of the people who post at DN believe that you can't be a Democrat and a Mormon. LDS church leaders do not share that view point and have gone out of their way to tell their members that that is not the case. Apparently some posters believe that they know more about how the Church should be run than their leaders do.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Missionaries with firm principles sent to toil amongst the heathen are to be admired for their zeal and optimism.

    However, people who voluntarily associate with those insisting on holding deplorable views should be judged by the friends they keep.

    I see most Utah Democrats as falling in the latter category, not the former. And, when some (like Jim Matheson) try to fool the electorate by refusing to attend their party's convention so they won't be seen with hard core liberals like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and Clinton, that confirms that they are slick politicians, not principled Utahns.

  • Jared Average, SE
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    "omni scent": Here's a quote from the Democratic Party's 2012 platform: "The President and the Democratic Party believe that women have a right to control their reproductive choices...President Obama and Democrats will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers...The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion... We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right....there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way [of abortions]." So no governmental controls at all on abortion (i.e., allow abortions for any reason at any time). That means "on demand" abortions.

    The Democratic platform has things that go against teachings of the LDS Church - they support the ERA (look what church leaders said about it in the 70s), same-sex marriage, and more.

    There is much to laud about the Democrat platform but no restrictions on abortions? Same-sex marriage? That does not match with LDS Church teachings about moral issues.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    I do not see how any faithful LDS person can support a GOP/Tea Party Budget that asks those with abundance to give less and those working poor to pay more out of their needs.

    See Mark 12:41-44

    See, it cuts both ways. I appreciate the good conservative LDS trying to "steady the arc" because the Lord's anointed (prophet and apostles) have failed in their estimation.

    The First Presidency repeatedly says the Church is neutral and that good can be found in both parties. They didn't go further and say LDS Democrats are less or LDS Tea Party are less. If they needed to, they would have said it.

    Harry Reid's abortion stance is exactly in line with what Grammy3 said (exceptions in cases of rape, incest, and health of the mother). The Tea Party actually went on to invent a forcible rape definition and believes that the female body can't get pregnant under forcible rape. Just because the extreme wing believes that, will I lump all LDS GOP members in believing that? No!

    UtahBlueDevil is right...change comes within the party. Moderates please take back your party from the Tea Party.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    Dear Wonder: The Church is BRILLIANT at PR and has an eye toward the survival of the Church under any circumstances. The Church states there is truth to be found in all political parties...That is true. However, the Church doesn't say there is and EQUAL amount of truth to be found in all political parties. Clearly some parties have very little "truth" and we've seen a lot of evidence of that this week.

    I think Scott Howell is obviously a good man and I'm glad he was able to represent the Church at the Dem Convention. But, I still don't know what these LDS people are doing there. I fear they have fallen among the Godless and don't seem to see it. The platform fight over God and Jerusalem make that pretty clear.

    Dear Aggielove: I think you make a good point about LDS Dems doing it out of defiance. I have personally known those who do it for that reason.

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    @Wonder

    LDS leaders have gone out of their way to be neutral. There are no members of the 1st Presidency and the 12 that are Democrats. Being an LDS Democrat is like watching a movie and saying that it was a great movie except for the bad parts.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    Dear Wildcat: The position you state on abortion has NOTHING to do with the Tea Party. The Tea Party is about fiscal responsibility and adherance to the Constitutuion. The Tea Party has NOTHING to do with abortion policy or other social policy.

    It's this kind of misinformation that leads to all kinds of misunderstandings.

  • Maskmarv Orem, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    As a moderate LDS republican there are things in the current Republican platform I don't agree with, and I think are out of step with church doctrine. So for all those saying you can't be democrat and a faithful member because of their platform...might want to think before casting more stones. I don't agree with Mr. Howell's politics and he doesn't have my vote; but I do agree with his statement that we can have civil political conversations as church members and we should leave those conversations outside of the walls of our church buildings.

    I'm glad Mr. Howell is proudly proclaiming his faith.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    @Maskmarv -- Exactly. The church has said that there are good points in both political parties (and, I might add, bad points in both parties). I'd like to know how any of you know what political party any General Authority belongs to. Have they ever announced that information? I've never heard anything about what party they belong to, other than Marlin K. Jensen, who specifically said he was a Democrat a few years ago when a bunch of members were trying to do what many of you are doing now -- saying the only party you could belong to as a member of the church is the Republican Party. If you don't believe me, google it and also take a look at the mormon.org question and answer page. I imagine the Church will soon send out another, yes another, statement telling its members the same thing, because the message just doesn't seem to get through.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    They might have "Mormon" moments, but seems that they wanted to kick God out of the party. What does that tell you?

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    @Cats

    Yeah, but most of the Tea Party members support Todd Akin's comments. If the Tea Party is truly dedicated to only fiscal issues, they should not cast a vote on any social issues like abortion.

    It's comments like Maskmarv that give me hope. It is alright to have differences or disagreements politically, but to suggest either side can't be a good LDS member because of their political affiliation is just plain wrong and sickening.

    It seems that a good deal of the conservative posters want everyone to think the same and do the same...I didn't choose that plan before, which is why I am here right now, and I won't choose it now.

    LDS Democrats are here to stay and will only get stronger when such hate and ignorance is spouted against them. To the other respectful GOP LDS, I hope that both parties will work to make government work at both Federal and State level. It will take both parties to do it. It is not a zero sum game like the Tea Party makes it. We can all press on and go forward together--we have to.

    God bless us all!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    It is the party's responsibility to attract voters; not vice versa.
    They work for me - not me for them.

    If there is a belief that one cannot be a Democrat and a good Mormon at the same time; it is the Democratic party's problem to fix it, not the LDS church's. If there are things in the platform that drive Mormons into the arms of Republican; it is the Democratic parties fault (and the Republicans to favor to embrace). Scott Howell should be commended for taking on that challenge in his role as POLITICAL FIGURE.

    After all; the exact reverses tended to be true prior to world war two.

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    The difference between King Benjamin's type of charity and and democrat "charity" is that King Benjamin said he had worked to support himself rather than to tax people to support him (implying to do otherwise would be inappropriate). He also did not advocate taking forcibly through taxation from one group of people to care for other people. To justify democrat tax the rich to reward those who refuse to work or cannot work by citing King Benjamin is to take King Benjamin extremely out of context. Charity can only come voluntarily from a giving heart, not through forced servitude implemented by the government. Democrats want to tax the tar out of people to provide "entitlements" which is a bad deal for both the "giver" and the receiver. Democrats support (Obama's idea) of reducing or eliminating tax deductions for charitable giving. The Book of Mormon talks of the "heavy burden" of a 50% "tax"; today, many Americans pay more than 50% of their income in taxes. Forced charity is not charity, it is involuntary servitude. It only serves to breed contempt in the hearts of the taxed and an entitlement attitude in the recipient. (i.e. OWS)

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    @Mojules -- It tells me that some Democrats wanted to take the language out of the platform, but that it ended up going back in. That's all it tells me. Are you trying to say that every single Republican in the entire country agrees with every single principle of the gospel? Of course not. So don't expect the same thing from the Democrats.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Dear Wildcat: Your statement is absurd. Tea Party members have no right to cast a vote based on abortion? Where would you get something like that? I'd also like to know where you got the information that most Tea Party members agree with Akin. What study or poll are you quoting? I don't think you have ANYTHING to base that on.

    The Tea Party, as an organization (or organizations--there are many) is about fiscal and constitutional issues. It is NOT about social issues. These groups DO NOT address social issues in any form. The members of these groups have their own personal views about a lot of social issues and will take these into account when casting their own personal votes. However, The Tea Party, as an organization, is solely about fiscal and constitutional issues.

    These are just the facts and not based on ANY speculation whatsoever.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Dear One American: You are right. The Book of Mormons defines 50% taxation as "bondage!"

  • Dave D Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Elder Marlin K. Jensen of the Seventy was sent by the Church to do an interview with the Salt Lake Tribune in 1998 to dispel the myth that one cannot be a good member of the Church and a democrat. Here is what a Church leader said:

    "We would probably hope that they wouldn't abandon a party necessarily because it has a philosophy or two that may not square with Mormonism. Because, as I say, [parties] in their philosophies ebb and flow," Jensen said.

    "You know, the Republicans came very close last time to bringing a pro-abortion plank into their platform. That was maybe the biggest battle of their [1996 national] convention," he said. "Which shows that if you're a pure ideologue, eventually you're going to have trouble in either party."

    "Everyone who is a good Latter-day Saint is going to have to pick and choose a little bit regardless of the party that they're in and that may be required a lot more in the future than it has been in the past. But I think there's room for that and the gospel leaves us lots of latitude."

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    @ Cats -- Because I've heard some Tea Party members say that they don't believe in abortion for any reason, including rape or incest, I think it's clear that no person can claim they are a Tea Party member unless they agree with that opinion 100%. (Just like you think because I'm a Democrat I have to agree with everything you've ever heard any Democrat say.)

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    @JWB

    What I find interesting is that Romney is running from his parties platform claiming that its stance on abortion and other issues do not reflect his own views. For some reason he did not have the leadership skills to get his platform to reflect the views of their presidential candidate but when their was a problem with the democratic platform Obama was able to step in and get them to change it. Do we really want Romney in office trying to bring parties together when he cannot even bring his own party together to support him?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    Let's read the LDS policy and compare platforms;

    The Church allows for possible exceptions for its MEMBERS when:
    - Pregnancy results from rape or incest, or
    - A physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or
    - A physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive.
    - ...should be considered only after consulting with local church leaders.

    --------

    The Democratic platform states: "Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way."

    The Republican platform seeks passage of a constitutional amendment that would extend legal rights to the unborn, essentially banning ALL abortions with NO exceptions
    -- even in the cases of Rape, Incest, Life and Health of the Woman, and viability of the fetus.
    [running diametrically opposed to LDS policy].

    Conclusion:
    The Democratic platform is more in harmony with LDS policy than the extremist GOP platform.

    and FYI -
    The LDS Church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals ...concerning abortion [i.e., is politically neutral].

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    @Dave D

    If you were looking for a club to join and one club said we do these things but we also support abortion, we are pro-homosexuality, we don’t support Israel, and we don’t want anything to do with God. Then you went to another club and they said we do these things and we are against abortion, we believe that a family with a father and mother is important, we support Israel, and we believe that God is an important part of what we do. As member of the LDS Church you would think this would be a no brainer which club you would join.

    When talking about picking through issue in a political party we are not talking about fiscal spending or about the size of government. We are talking about issues that are at the very core of LDS doctrine and that the LDS Church believes will bring down society. See The Family: A Proclamation to the World.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    A couple more points and my 4 comments are up –

    And just recently and locally
    The LDS church has been soft on illegal immigration and has publically endorsed gay rights in housing (which the GOP defiantly shotdown).

    Who’s being extreme?
    Who’s rejecting the Prophets and Apostles?
    Who’s following the brethren?
    Who's more in harmony?

    Part of the great Pride cycle is not being able to admit when you are wrong....

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    @OneAmerican,

    50%? HA! From the tax record Mitt released, we know he paid 14% and some big corporations like GE paid nothing and some Oil Industries we actually gave them tax dollars. Whereas working people pay a higher percentage of taxes. Yeah, that's what King Benjamin wanted--LOL! He served his people. Our government serves its people--or should--tax subsidies to Big Oil don't serve me, but helping the least among us or helping the hands that hang down is not a bad thing--even if it's done through taxes to promote the General Welfare (preamble to the Constitution).

    Mark 12:41-44 Giving out of abundance is good, but those who give which takes away from their necessities give more according to the Savior. Remember the rich man who could not follow the Savior because he valued his wealth more than following the Savior and helping his fellow man? That is where many people are today.

    They are called entitlements because we pay into them every paycheck: Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Medicaid, Medicare--absolutely right I am entitled to it. Don't let the GOP steal it and give it to Wall Street.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    A Mormon person can live the Church's teachings and be an independent or a Republican, but cannot be a democrat and subscribe to the democrat party values. Secularism, abortion, handouts for nothing, restrictions on freedom of religion are just a few. We hold the constitution sacred - too many democrats including Obama and Pelosi do not. Harry Reid leads the Democrat party in the Senate and he stood on the Senate floor and called Mitt Romney a liar - hardly within the values of our Church. The democrat party and Mormonism are currently not compatible.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    The conservative or Republican "groupthink" which I have seen among Mormons is not any worse than the liberal Democratic groupthink which I encountered some years earlier among Unitarians.

  • Dave D Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    @JP71,
    I am simply quoting the actual stance of the Church on the matter. When I see people like Elder Marlin K. Jensen, or Elder Larry Echo Hawk, I wonder how anyone can doubt that there are indeed faithful Mormons with politically liberal views. You can find all the reasons you would like to not include Mormon democrats as "True" Mormons, but we are a global church, and are collectively far more liberal than you might think. I hope that you can be more inclusive of those who do not agree with you politically. After all, we are all brothers and sisters.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    JP71
    Ogden, UT

    There are no members of the 1st Presidency and the 12 that are Democrats.
    9:13 a.m. Sept. 6, 2012

    ============

    And HOW do you know that?

    I want to call your bluff.
    I think you are just making things up now.

    To start wioth,
    I know of one member of the LDS 1st presidency who not only NOT a Republican
    [as you have assumed and imply],
    He's not even American,
    in fact - he is a citizen of Germany [a Socialist nation]
    and is my favorite of ALL the current General Authorities.

    And I've got more news for you,
    One of them was President of the Utah Democratic Party, and yet another was - gasp! - Canadian!

    In fact, currently there are dozens of GAs and millions of other GOOD card-carrying Latter-Day Saints from Socialist, Marxist and Communist countries, i.e. Japan, England, Australia, France, Italy, Hong Kong, El Salvador, Russia, ect. to name just a few.

    I grow ever so tired of this false stereotype that All Mormons are from Utah, American, and therfore must be Repubican!

    No wonder the Church has had to spend $ Millions on those "I'm a Mormon" spots!

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    From another DN headline today, referencing the DNC convention: "Democrats Flummoxed over God, Jerusalem verbiage in party platform". This sounds like a party thats just full of Mormon moments!

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    Well said, Dave D & LDS Liberal.

    President James E. Faust was also a Democrat, and in fact was a campaign chairman for (Democratic) Senator Frank Moss, and was also a Utah Democratic Party chairman prior to becoming a General Authority.

    Elder Jensen stressed in the interview that it would be very healthy for the Church if the common misconception that one cannot be a good Mormon and a Democrat could be obliterated. Elder Jensen also said, "There is a feeling that even nationally as a church, it's not in our best interest to be known as a one-party church."

    President Faust also emphasized this when he said, "It is in the interest of the Church to have a two-party system . . . . Both locally and nationally, the interest of the Church and its members are served when we have two good men or women running on each ticket, and then no matter who is elected, we win."

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Sept. 6, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    Aggielove

    Cache county, USA

    I truly believe Mormon dems, choose that party, just to be defiant.
    Thats it, and that's all.

    As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, having been born in the church and a life long member of the Democratic Party I can assure anyone I did not become a Democrat out of defiance but by choice. I know many Mormon Democrat that are Democrats but not out of defiance, we all decided for ourselves. Defiant of who or what?
    Regardless of what party I vote for that does not change my standing in the church, I still hold a current Temple Recommend.
    Free Agency allows me to make choices and to keep my religion and politics seperate.

  • Bubbamike Seattle, WA
    Sept. 6, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    Don't confuse your culture and your religion, they are two different things. Your culture may be narrow and constricted but your religion is wide and takes in many different kinds of people. Heavenly Father does not belong to any political party, he does not need to be in any platform, he loves all his children and wants you to do the same. One of the things I've noticed is that people have selective eyesight when reading the Scriptures otherwise how could they ignore Helaman 4:12 or Helaman 7:21 or 2Nephi 20:2? That's just a sampling but many read the Book of Mormon without seeing and understanding the words. Read his words and understand his desires and think about who you are voting for and why.

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Sept. 6, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    JP71

    Ogden, UT

    @Wonder

    LDS leaders have gone out of their way to be neutral. There are no members of the 1st Presidency and the 12 that are Democrats. Being an LDS Democrat is like watching a movie and saying that it was a great movie except for the bad parts.

    I do not believe any of us know which political party any of the 1st Presidency or the 12 are affiliated with and it is actually none of our business. We probably will not know until after their deaths as was the case with President Faust when in the talks given at his funeral that he belonged to the Democratic Party. It is best to keep our religion and politics seperate and that is the reason the Church stands on neutral ground.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    Mr. Howell says there are two good men running for President. I won't argue that, although I would like to. The question then becomes which is the better man? I am really interested in the comment that Democrat Mormons are merely trying to be defiant. I think that could be partially true of the hard line Democrats I know. One couple said they joined the Democrat party because they wanted to change if from within, but I think they are more the type to just try to be different.

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    Sept. 7, 2012 2:00 a.m.

    Just for the record as an independent voter I know members of the church that are both Republican and Democrat. Good people, active in the church and carrying temple recommends. As Elder Faust has said when good people run against each other then we win either way. Like it or not Obama is a good God fearing family man as well as is Romney. From that perspective we win
    either way. Many Democrats and Republicans do not agree with everything in their party's platform but they are members of their respective party because they agree with the general party philosophy.

    Let us please put it to rest that one cannot be a Democrat and a Mormon. Enough already.

  • 1Observer Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    Well Scott, was the "mormon moment" when they removed God from their platform or when they put Him back in? Was the moment when the delegates voted to support gay marriage? Or was the moment when the delgates voted to support abortion under any circumstance? I think the whole "mormon moment" thing is just more pandering by the Democrats to get votes, lacks substance and typifies the current Democratic tactic of telling people what they want to hear without delivering actual results. (That part might actually go for Republicans, too.) As for me, I was a fan of hope and change four years ago, now I'm just hoping for a change from this failed leadership.

  • Idahoan Spartan East Lansing, MI
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    I am grateful to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The teaching and principles taught in the church have made me a better person. I am not grateful for the shunning that I receive, by some members, when they find out that I am a democrat. I don't take this viewpoint because I am an apostate or trying to rebel. I would prefer to fit in and not be the outsider in many conversations that occur at Church functions or out with church friends. It can be awkward when people call you a baby killer or Un-American when they find out that you support President Obama. I know I am neither of these things! I see many virtues in the Republican leaders and platform. I look at Governor Romney and see an extremely smart, accomplished, and hard working candidate, but I see that in President Obama also. Right now I agree more with the Democrat vision of this Nation's future. I could support a republican President, but right now I can't. This is my belief and it is okay for me to be a Mormon.

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal

    You’re talking about President Faust who joined a much different Democratic Party. I know that there are currently no members of the 1st Presidency and 12 that are Democrats.

    It is a myth to say that we can separate politics and religion. Politics is the tool that steers society in a good direction or a bad direction. The Church has given us the option to choose without telling us what to do. Do not mistake neutrality for apathy. Choices have consequences. The Democratic Party supports abortion, it is pro-homosexuality, it does not support Israel, and it does not want God in their platform. As a member of the LDS Church I do not support or affiliate with groups or organizations that promote these causes.

  • gharmons Helendale, CA
    Sept. 7, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    The Democrats' idea of compassionate service is to tax people more so that the government can give more to the poor. That may not be the view of all Mormon Democrats, but it is of Harry Reid and of some who have written in the blogs. While the government has a role in helping the poor,providing a safety net, it should not be the major player. Far more families were intact before Johnson's Great Society made it more profitable for fathers to leave the home and for children to be born out of wedlock. So much for compassion.
    Why is it that liberals donate far less to charities than do conservatives? Because liberals believe in higher taxation and letting the government take care of the needy.
    Then there is the Democratic Party's opposition to any restrictions on abortion, their support of same-sex marriage, their antipathy towards Israel—and much more. 'Nuff said.

  • coloradopilot Centennial, CO
    Sept. 7, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    LDS Liberal *
    A third part of the host of heaven were fooled also and they stood face to face with the Savior and Heavenly Father, and you think a small minority of church members who trust Barack Obama and Harry Reid are right and the others are wrong? Democrats think confiscating money through taxation to "help" the needy is good yet the Church and the Gospel is founded on Common Consent and voluntary service. You can argue all you want about the Democratic Party's position on abortion being more in line with the Church's position but I have to believe that Heavenly Father would side with the "extreme" Republican position and not want to have ANY abortions.
    Rationalize all you want, but there really aren't shades of gray when it comes to right and wrong.

  • BobKjar Humble, TX
    Sept. 8, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Being a Mormon and a Democrat is a contradiction in terms. Our good Mormon Democrats should read the party platform and the efforts the Democrats are taking to remove God from our lives along with Isreal. Didn't the LDS Church fight against Gay marriage? Yet its acknowledgement is part of the party platform.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Sept. 8, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    When you combine Mormonism with the current Democratic Party, it becomes an oxymoron. No active Latter-Day Saint holding a temple recommend would be part of a Party that is the antithesis of everything we as Latter-Day Saints believe in. I have seen several of my Democratic friends who are active Latter-Day Saints cross over and become Republicans. I suspect that others who are honest will do the same.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    From the comments on this thread I have one thing to say. I see a heck of a lot of future judgement from god coming. "Judge not lest ye be judged". There are a heck of a lot of judges on this thread who haven't a clue.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    "There are a heck of a lot of judges on this thread who haven't a clue."

    Isn't is judgmental to accuse someone of being judgmental? There are decent people who belong to both political parties, and neither party has the copyright to the higher road that is less traveled.

    It's the old "pot calling the kettle black" thing.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    @Rifleman;

    Have you read this thread? Mormons essentially calling Mormons who are Dems "sinners", "unworthy", etc.

    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    I'm LDS. I'm a Democrat. I guess you all better call up my bishop and start trying to get me ex-communicated.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Among promiment Mormom dems, President McKay, Pres. Tannner, Elder Bruce R. McConckie, Pres Faust, Pres. Hugh B. Brown, Elder Jensen and Echohawk of the 70. Congressman Wayne Owens who served as a mission president. COngressman Gunn McKay who did a superb job of representing Utah in congress. There was a Utah democratic legislator that recently resigned to serve as a mission president. It was Senator Moss who was responsible for eliminating tobacco advertising from television. How many so called god fearing Republicans have been caught up in moral scandals. And yes dems to. Just because you have issues with the party platform doesn't give you the right to demonize those who belong to Democratic party. I am not a democratic myself. I would never say some of the things that have posted on here about mormon dems. Way to judgemental.