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Utah Utes, Utah State Aggies football: Last clash in Logan?

Both Utes, Aggies have future scheduling conflicts because of their new leagues

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  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    Thank goodness for the Aggies, and their TV contract. If this game were in SLC, it wouldn't be televised. At least now, I get to watch the game and scope out the future competition.

    It's really too bad that conference realignment has come to this. Utah, Utah State and BYU should play each other every year. Hopefully the BYU vs Utah State rivalry doesn't end, like the other two.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 7:25 a.m.

    Biggest question. Will there be more fans in the stands wearing red or will the Aggie fans continue to not support football? The fans have not been supportive even after Gary and the new admin have been working so hard to make this program successful.

    Support your team. I will be there.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 5, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    Dark times for Utah football. They are throwing traditions under the bus and creating rivalries with Northern Colorado. They are quickly shrinking their fan base and cross rivalry supporters (you know the folks who will cheer for utah when they aren't playing USU or BYU).

    Does Utah think people outside of the state really care? Don't cut yourself off at the knees, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, the all apply here.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Interesting that USU is willing to play BYU 2-1 yet not play utah 2-1. Also interesting that USU is willing to keep the game with BYU going even though it is 2-1 but not willing to keep it going with utah if utah insists on 2-1. Why is that?

    Could it be that playing at BYU gives a bigger payout? Could it be, as coach Anderson alluded to in another article that despite not actually liking to go 2-1 with BYU that knowing they'll play on ESPN national tv makes it worth doing so? Could it be that playing BYU is simply more desired by USU fans making it much harder to discontinue?

    It would appear that all of those things are the case, and not just in USU's minds. Most other schools find it more desirable to play a school with more tradition and history of accomplishment. A school that can give much larger payouts based on gate receipts. A school that can guaranty them a game on real national television, not faux national tv that doesn't really exist. It isn't even aguable.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    As a PAC 12 team, Utah only has 3 non-conference games. No room for Utah State, or BYU. Sorry, that's just the way it is!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Give the Utes a great send-off

    Kick their behinds all the way to the Pacific!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Shrinking their fan base and cross rivalry supporters? Tell me grand slam, do you purchase Utah shirts, hats? I didn't think so. Will the fans stop watching them because they don't play Aggies or Cougars? Will the haters stop watching. I don't think so either? Do you believe that Utah fans don't tune in to BYU sports to cheer against them? It goes both ways. Do the people that pay the bills care if you are watching to cheer or jeer? Just keep watching. PAC 12 network will soon be available in Iowa.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    Duckhunter... could it be that USU wants the easier of the two instate opponents?

    Actually I would be suprised if USU will actually keep the 2-1 with BYU once the contract runs out.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    @ifel of'a-sofa

    Doubt it. USU has stated they would like to keep the utah game as well, they just aren't willing to go 2-1 with them. They are willing to go 2-1 with BYU. If they want to play both opponents but are only willing to go 2-1 with one of them it obviously means only one of them is worth going 2-1 with.

    I personally think BYU/USU should be 1 for 1 but I am not the one making those decisions. Obviously when the powers that be at USU looked at things they determined that while it is not what they would prefer, playing BYU 2-1 is worth it to them, it gives them too much to pass up. They have also determined playing utah 2-1 does nothing for them.

    It is pretty hard to argue against reality although I give you credit for trying.

    How come you aren't posting under your kosta fesenko or duckhunted screen names?

  • SpaceCowboy69 Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    It is too bad that conference realignment is hurting schools across the country. Many of the traditional rivalries are ending. As a BYU fan I will miss the Utah game, but also some of the smaller games like Air Force or Colorado State. Those were fun games to watch and attend. I like independence, but miss some of the tradition that I was raised on. Hope BYU and USU can continue to play for a long time. I always like that game.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    @duckhunter
    1st off... I think you have the wrong guy pal.

    I don't think they will or should continue the 2-1 with BYU OR Utah.

    I like in state games and wish all schools would make them continue but sometimes I guess that can't happen. But regardless they should be 1-1.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    You're right on with eifel ofalafel. Great post.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    Ifel Of'a-sofa

    It makes absolutely no sense economically for BYU and USU to play 1-1 when BYU has a 65,000 seat stadium (and the fans to fill it) and USU only has a 25,000 seat stadium (and rarely fills it without substantial help from visiting teams).

    It's not a question of BYU being "too good" to travel to Logan, it's simply a matter of USU's stadium being too small.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    "Thank goodness for the Aggies, and their TV contract. If this game were in SLC, it wouldn't be televised. At least now, I get to watch the game and scope out the future competition".

    Thank goodness for the Utes, and the Pac-12 TV contract. BYU gets to continue their 8:00 MT kickoff on ESPN. Coug fans are used to late starts, eh Cougs? Doesn't this late night kickoff show the lack of interest people outside Utah care about this rivalry? Time to drop it! Utah has bigger fish to fry.

    @ 3grandslams

    "Dark times for Utah football. They are throwing traditions under the bus and creating rivalries with Northern Colorado. They are quickly shrinking their fan base and cross rivalry supporters (you know the folks who will cheer for utah when they aren't playing USU or BYU)".

    No dark times up on the hill. Utah is just dropping two patsies (BYU and Utah State) in return get home and home games with teams like Michigan. We're also rekindling old rivalries with Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State from past conferences and start new rivalries with teams like USC each year. Things like brighter than ever!

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    The comments of some predicting dark times...as if these are the latter days for Utah football...portents of developing and ongoing rivalries with Northern Colorado and undocumented assertions of the Utes "shrinking fan base" because the all because they have new scheduling concerns as a result of their PAC12 membership and no longer may be able to play either of their little brothers are the product of know nothing seers. Such comments are laughable because they are so absurd.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    An 8 pm start (7 pm Pacific Time), is certainly MUCH BETTER than a 5 pm (4 pm Pacific Time) start like we saw from the Utes last week, or at least could have seen, IF the game hadn't been televised by the PAC Net.

    It's laughable that you're beating your chest about FINALLY being able to schedule your first, and probably last, big time inter-sectional opponent to come to RES, something that BYU has been doing for decades at LES - nice work little brother.

    btw, isn't Utah's game with BYU scheduled for 8 p.m.? - just sayin'.

  • tlar22 cedar city, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    Great, now we will hear all the bitter BYU fans start to complain about how now Utah is too scared to play Utah State. I understand that there are traditions, and they are awesome. But its a dog eat dog world. Utah wants to make a big name for itself, and its not going to happen by killing Utah State. There are obviously other factors as to why they arent playing eachother. But the fact of the matter is, that Utah is moving up the latter, and they cant keep going down to the first rung just to keep Utah sports fans happy.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Snack pack -- BYU very rarely came even close to filling their stadium last year..Their last 4 home games were against the 2nd worst big sky team and the 3 worst WAC teams. This year is not much better.

  • Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    Utah and BYU showed they have NO interest in Utah State when they dumped their long time rival Utah State, and kept Wyoming and Colorado State in order to start the new WAC in 1961 to be in the same league as Arizona and Arizona State.
    Money has become the BIG (and only?) important factor in deciding which team a school will play. Long time rivalries have become meaningless.

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    Allen#2 - First and foremost both Utah and BYU were looking out for their own interests. It was up to USU to look out for itself.

    Secondly, do you really thing the rest of the WAC was going to allow three teams in a market, which at the time, probably wasn't even close to a million people?

    After 50 years isn't it time to stop blaming Utah & BYU because USU was the odd-man out?

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    @snack pac
    College football is not, or I guess I should say SHOULD NOT be about money.
    you want to brag about your 65,000 seat stadium, but using your logic I guess that means that the likes of Florida State, Clemson, Texas, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Lousiana State, should never want to play in your puny stadium... or why do you want to play in Utah's puny stadium?

    Your stadium may be full at kickoff, but you are 1 loss away from being a ghost town in the 3rd quarter (we all know that happens).

    The truth is someone always has a smaller stadium or a bigger stadium, but the fans dont play.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    @ Uteanymous

    "An 8 pm start (7 pm Pacific Time), is certainly MUCH BETTER than a 5 pm (4 pm Pacific Time) start like we saw from the Utes last week, or at least could have seen"

    So, you as a BYU fan only care about the exposure in the western time zones? What about your fellow Cougar fans that have to stay up late for a 9 pm Central Time and 10 pm Eastern Time kickoff? I believe your mixed up! I think your suffering from jet lag.

    "It's laughable that you're beating your chest about FINALLY being able to schedule your first, and probably last, big time inter-sectional opponent to come to RES, something that BYU has been doing for decades at LES - nice work little brother".

    It's amazing being in a BCS conference where you can schedule home and home games with big time programs instead of accepting 2 for 1 just to bring a big time program to your house. You should try it some time little brother!

    "Isn't Utah's game with BYU scheduled for 8 p.m.? - just sayin'".

    8 pm shows the national interest in the rivalry, Nobody cares!

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 5, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Utah will beat Utah State in convincing fasion. (Period) Everybody knows it, so creating obscure scenarios in which Utah could lose is pointless.

    That being said, Utah better gear up for what is likely to be a serious matchup with BYU next week. I think Utah has far more talent, but BYU has more intangibles and Riley Nelson.

    To all the bleeding hearts lamenting the state of Utah football and local rivalries. Get over it. Its a couple of years off. The reality is BYU and USU are chomping at the bit for any chance to play Utah to improve their schedules.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    Look, the Utes are a great football program, as is BYU, Utah State is on the brink of being very good, but the system is broken. Period. This inching toward reality with the 4 team playoff doesn't even begin to address the real issues:

    1- EVERY team should have an automatic chance to win the championship at the beginning of the year, if they earn it. Until the "playoff" realistically addresses that, it is as bogus as the BcS.
    2- The money in college football is bigger than ever, not because of the BcS or the SEC or the Pac, but because of TELEVISION and PLAYERS.
    3- Yet studies show the average player compensation falls over $3,000 short of basic expenses, and that doesn't include money for a kid from Utah to fly home at Christmas if he plays for Alabama, or to fly home to California from Utah if his mother dies. WhatTheHeck?
    4- Coaches compensation has risen dramatically to MILLIONS while players compensation hasn't changed.
    5- Millions are being spent on new training facilities to compete, but not on the competitors.
    6- Money, power, corruption, greed.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    Its always nice to see the usual cast of characters trolling these forums. I haven't really been on here consistently in about 10 months, and I return to see that the usual suspects (Duckhunter, 3grandslams, etc) have grown more desperate and more full of themselves in their attacks.

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    Utah in a blowout 52-3.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    @kosta il sofa

    What "attacks"?

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Once again you post with no credible source or facts to bolster your opinions. Furthermore; you state your opinions as facts.
    Scott Barnes, Athletic Director for Utah State Uninversity has said that USU would play out their current contract and only play 1 for 1 with BYU after that. He has stated he viewed the 2 for 1 as temporary. He restated this position again on 1280 the zone within the last 24 hours. The interview is there for you to check out if you are interested in the truth.
    To summarize his point in the recent 1280 interview; with BYU being independent and having the scheduling issues the Y has, he sees no reason why USU would continue to play BYU 2 for 1 moving forward.

  • TruBlueAggie25 Logan, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    @IndeMak
    True that the Aggie Fans haven't supported much football in recent years... But know when the last time they were decent was? Before this last year 1997 was their last winning season... Thats 15 years. The student body at Utah State was from 3-10 years old and doesn't remember that... All teams have rough times with their fans when the team doesn't do well. For example... 3 years ago when U of U was not terrible at basketball like USU has been at football their fan base was really sad. I went to a game between U of U and USU in Salt Lake and the USU fans were more spirited and there were hardly any U of U fans in that large Arena... But don't worry... USU vs SUU 17000 in attendance... Maybe 200 were SUU fans, and that was on a Thursday Evening... Friday night USU vs Utah, there will definitely be a whole lot of us cheering them on. Its going to be an awesome game if the Utah State safeties will quit committing pass interferences... We'll see what happens.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:47 p.m.

    Ifel Of'a-sofa

    College football isn't solely about money, but football and basketball are the only revenue producing sports that support all of the non-revenue producing sports. Utah State, with its puny stadium and meager crowds simply can't afford to pay a decent guarantee to visiting teams. BYU obviously can and does, which is why teams like Florida State, Texas, Penn State, Miami, USC, and Notre Dame have all been willing to play at LES, but none of those teams has ever been willing to travel to Romney or RES.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    This is just too funny. Everyone is an "expert" at scheduling college football games these days, which is somewhat of a circus with the changing landscape, that likely hasn't been completed.

    A few things have become apparent: USU is a low better than they used to be and I credit Anderson for that; Utah is going to probably regret they dropped the BYU-Utah rivalry so they could schedule a Big 10 opponent each year, as that deal is belly up; New rivalries will blossom, such as Utah-Colorado, particularly if the Buffalos win again this year in Colorado; The vaunted BCS is starting to sink and is no longer going to be an issue, but whatever form of playoffs replace it being in a conference might be very important; Several big-time schools across the ccountry are watching the BYUtv thing very closely and more changes are possible in the future with quality teams/markets.

    That said, the next two weeks will produce more interest in this State regarding Utah games this year than the USC, ASU, Oregon, UCLA, etc contests. Nationally, who knows? Globally, BYU seems to have the edge in fan interest.

    Good Luck!!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    TYPO ALERT: Make that "USU is a LOT bettwe...(not low better). Sorry.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    @gonefishn

    Barnes said no such thing, it was Gary Anderson that said that and Anderson also said in the same interview that it really isn't up to him, it's just his opinion. It is also an opinion I share with him, I think BYU and USU shouldgo 1-1. Barnes on the otherhand said that he "would hope" BYU would see it that way but has not discussed it with them yet and does not know what they will say. He said that after this current 2-1 is over they'll discuss it then. Of course they want 1-1, but he in no way said he would insist on it and he in no way said they wouldn't go 2-1.

    They both said they would not go 2-1 with utah.

    Nice try at making stuff up though.

    LOL!

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    The interview is with Gordon Monson dated 9/5 on 1280 the zone. I suggest you listen to it. Once again you cited Gary Anderson with no actual source interview, date etc etc.
    Barnes on the other hand, said flat out they will play out the contract and have no plans going 2-1. Fact

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    Looking forward to a real test on Friday. I rather play Utah State each year then play teams like Northern Colorado moving froward. But if the SEC continues to play 8 conference games and 3 D2 teams then I see no choice but to add a team like NC each year.

    @Duckhunter

    Everyone wants to play the legacy program down south, yet no real conference wants BYU?

    How come?

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    Scott Barnes has said that USU wont do a 2 for 1 with the Y or U in the future. I expect the Y will give in to the 1 for 1 as they need to fill their schedule and it also makes for a good general conference week game.

    I am guessing that just like the Spectrum, Merlin Olsen Field is not the Cougars favorite place to play after the waxing they took last time there.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    Round and round the comments go, where the ridiculously dogmatic end up, we read and flow.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Everyone wants to play the legacy program down south, yet no real conference wants BYU?"

    Simple answers, to silly Ute hyperbole:

    The MWC and Big East would take BYU in a heartbeat.
    The PAC simply doesn't want to associate with ANY religious-based institution not named Notre Dame.
    The Big 12 simply doesn't want to deal with BYU's no Sunday play policy.

    NONE of it has ANYTHING to do with the quality of BYU's athletic program, fan base, or television marketability, which dwarf Utah's overall athletic program, fan base, and television marketability.

    But, of course you already knew all of the above.

    ----------

    Go Big Blue!!!

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but BYU isn't in the least bit intimidated by Romney Stadium. The ONLY reason the Aggies "waxed" BYU the last time the Cougars played there, was because BYU's defensive coordinator literally stopped calling plays - Jamie Hill was fired the next morning.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    @uteanymous "The ONLY reason the Aggies "waxed" BYU the last time the Cougars played there, was because BYU's defensive coordinator literally stopped calling plays - Jamie Hill was fired the next morning."

    So I guess the defense stopped playing to then right? Always an excuse from Y fan's if it wasn't for the refs, turning it over 7 times or our D coordinator we would have beat you....lol!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    2b

    No, BYU's defense didn't stop playing against the Aggies, but since Hill left BYU in a base defense for almost the entire game, the defense simply wasn't properly aligned to handled specific situations.

    What some whiny fans characterize as "excuses", are sometimes legitimate "reasons". Turnovers, especially a couple of early, unforced turnovers, played a significant role in turning the momentum, and eventually the overall outcome of the game in Utah's favor.

    What was your excuse for blowing a gift-wrapped PAC south by being humiliating, at home, by a 10-loss team?

    Bottom-line:

    The BYU team that beat #35 Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowl, would have stomped the Utah team that lost to 10-loss Colorado.

    In the final rankings, the rest of the country recognized BYU's improvement and Utah's drop off after that early September game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    @gonefishn

    False. I listened to it twice, once when it was live yesterday afternoon and then again before I responded to your post. What you claim is flat out false, Barnes did not say what you claim he said, it is right there in the interview. What I posted is absolutely correct.

    As far as Anderson, well that interview also happened yesterday morning on the same station and it is also posted on their site. Anyone that wants to can listen to both of them.

    I do love how you and naval vet both make claims like that, saying you want donfirmation, when you both know what you are asserting isn't even true. Funny that you would really want to be exposed like that.

    LOL!

  • Proud Ute ,
    Sept. 7, 2012 3:59 p.m.

    Troll,
    The interview with Scott Barnes was exactly as gonefishin reported.

    You are wrong.

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson- "No dark times up on the hill. Utah is just dropping two patsies (BYU and Utah State) in return get home and home games with teams like Michigan. We're also rekindling old rivalries with Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State from past conferences and start new rivalries with teams like USC each year. Things like brighter than ever!"

    You essentially just said that you are replacing current rivalries with games with other teams that aren't rivalries. Just because you play a home and home against some team doesn't make it a rivalry. Tradition makes rivalries. Where is the history with USC, before last season? Way back in the 20's I guess...if you want to talk about ancient history (just like BYU fans get accused of incessantly..).

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2012 7:23 a.m.

    Thanks for coming Utes. I hope you enjoyed your trip to #TheHouseofPain

    Come back any time.

    I guess size doesn't matter, stadium size that is.

    I can see why you don't want to schedule us anymore though, it ends your National Championship chances.

    I will say, the worst thing for us was when we took out Wynn.

    2 state victims down, 1 to go, get ready byu.

    We're coming wisconsin.

    GO AGGIES!