Mitt and his BFF Sheldon disagree.
California's liberal leaders thought it might be a good idea to borrow
against future lottery revenue earnings to pay yesterday's bills. Someone
with a head on his shoulders vetoed that idea.Children suffer when
their uneducated parent(s) decide to spend money they don't have gambling,
lose it all, and then blame the Republicans because they can't afford to
feed their kids. Of course states that have legalized gambling love it. They
risk nothing and reap the taxes gambling brings in.
Nice try. Another installment in the series 'articles on why everything the
church says you can't do is bad, so don't feel like you're being
If we can't have gambling, can we at least have high point domestic Beers?
I don't get this article. Is somebody proposing that we allow gambling or
casinos in Utah? It would be nice, however, to keep some of that money people
spend and lose just across the border to the west of us.
This article is very helpful in bringing up the very nasty social problem of
gambling. Ironically, even though there is a general notion of gambling = bad
in this state, people from Utah are actually less aware of the visible social
ills since it is illegal and it takes more effort to go to a casino. If you
have lived in states where gambling is legal in certain areas, you commonly find
horribly blighted areas surrounding monstrous casinos. Look at the fruits of
what casinos accomplish besides the obvious providing of jobs for some and a
place to go on the weekend to have a good time and blow some cash. Weight that
against the addiction, crime, blight, bankruptcy, divorce and then make a
judgment on the merits. States were looking for quick budget fixes and have now
been burned badly. The fact that this article appears in the DN does not make
the evidence any less meaningful.
Whenever I look at slot machines I just laugh out loud now because all I see is
rats in a skinner box:)
Gambling is a money pit. The casinos do NOT stay in business by losing money.
The odds are in the house's favor. Some win but more lose. Gambling is a
business, with profit margins, marketing, sales, etc. It appeals to one of the
baser of human weaknesses, the desire to get something for nothing.
I know that Utah avoids gambling because of the realization of the pofwers that
be that it is a bad idea. Former governor Leavitt said that gsmbling
cannibalizes the economy. Why does Hawaii avoid gambling?
The bumper sticker is true. Gambling is a tax on people who are bad at math.My uncle was an astute businessman and able to count cards. He advised
me never to gamble. And, that if I were to want to participate in gambling, I
should be the house (the one conducting the game) and not the gambler.Also, like many vices, gambling has significant externalities - costs that are
not fully recognized or paid for at the time of "sale". The wider
community ends up absorbing these in the form of broken homes, impoverished
families, and addicted citizens. Hence, gambling should be significantly taxed
in order to reimburse the community.
With a few exceptions it is the poor and middle class that gamble. You
don't see the wealthy putting their money in one armed bandits. I am
against gambling. I have gambled myself on a limited basis. Regret it. It is
to easy to see gamblilng as a way out of financial problems. The problem is
when you win big the temptation is keep going and you end up with nothing. You
are better off investing your money for the long term than gamblilng it away.
Gambling is real dumb and alcohol is worse as the most dangerous drug we have.
Even marijuana thought to be fairly safe inhibits children and teen's
intelligence levels. Our state is doing fine with gambling and if you want to
play poker get a group together.
If someone wants to do a little research they will find out that the states that
have it aren't exactly pleased with it.They tend to spend
almost as much as they take in administering the gambling.Its odd to
me to see some people complain about the plight of the middle class and poor
people then turn around and want to legalize state run gambling.As
already pointed out; all gambling really is is another tax on those who
can't afford it.
Gambling money in Ohio was supposed to "save" the schools. Yeah.That was back in the 70's or 80's and I don't think
anyone has yet figured out where all the money really goes. But it sure
wasn't to the schools.
Watched my brother-in=law gamble away his pay check, go home and fight with his
wife who wanted rent and food money. Watched his family live in poverty when he
made twice my wage. This is not uncommon. Like any other vice it takes its
greatest toll on the family.
That's true, but only if you look at the relevant facts.
Here in Washington State, a couple of decades ago, the citizens voted to allow a
state lottery which promised to finance education. What a great blessing that
has been. Each year the schools now send out letters to the parents on all of
the extra supplies they need to send their children to school with --- supplies
that were once paid for by the state; before gambling was legalized. The rumor
is - it was never specified how much money from the gambling would have to go
towards eduction.There is a casino in our area. They have a VIP
parking lot. According to my information, to be eligible to park in these
special zone, (and that part of the lot is always full) you have to spend more
each month in the casino than most people I know make in a year. To some it may
be a form of recreation, but so are picnics, fishing and a nice Sunday drive as
Burning fossil fuels has negative effects. Republicans even agreed for a few
years untill the Koch brothers started paying them to disagree.So
why is gambling different than modifying the weather with CO2 emmisions? You
don't even have 99% of psycologists agreeing that gambling is bad for
Freedom, take your canned enviro-baloney elsewhere. This thread is about
gambling. I for one, consider it very dangerous to allow even one step
toward this slippery slope. It would come to no good. I also consider the
proprietors of such establishments to be among the lowest forms of life--sucking
the lifeblood out of those in society that are the easiest to take advantage of.
They should all be taken out to the wood shed.
gambling -- best defined as a tax paid by people who flunked math in high
Gambling hurts the stupid.
I think we should legalize gambling/casinos. Maybe not everywhere, just border
towns like on this side of wendover/mesquite, just on this side of Evanston.
Everybody can use a boost in economy. This article never said that gambling
doesnt make money for the 13 states that it is legal, it just said that it hasnt
mad eas much money as they projected. Good spin, but Utah is a state that could
definitely use the income boost to spend towards education.
Since my mother passed away, my father started going to Wendover every other
Tuesday. He takes $100 and with that, buys himself a prime rib buffet lunch and
a few hrs of entertainment on the penny slots. Often, he comes back ahead by
$200-$300. He doesn't go there expecting to supplement his income. He
doesn't rely on his winnings to pay his bills. He strictly looks at it as
a form of entertainment. How is this any different than plunking down $50 on an
overpriced ticket and more on overpriced bad food at Lagoon? Or a night at a
Utah Jazz game? Yet no one is proposing to ban Lagoon or the Jazz. People need
to accept that gambling can be strictly a form of entertainment, no better or
worse than an amusement park or sports event.And, other than my
401k, I don't gamble and never have. I only advocate letting adults be
I lived in Illinois for 9 years with one of the most organized lotteries and
addicted people in that state and the states surrounding it. However, the
various states didn't want to lose their part of that addiction pie, so
they did their efforts to legalize gambling, which is the highest form of
taxation there is. Since the Mississippi River passes along their boundaries,
the people figured out a way to initially gamble by pulling the Casino Boat onto
the navigable river to gamble and not really be in the state. In Missouri, they
wanted that big share as the St. Louis people would just go over the river on
the bridge and buy their lottery tickets. The stated started a process to get
gamble legalized by saying the money was for education. There are a lot of
ploys to get gambling legalized. I am glad Utah has been able to keep it out,
even with paramutual betting almost 50 years ago. People that are that addicted
can get on the bus, drive or even fly to Wendover, Mesquite or other places to
deal with that addiction. Love of money or greed for legislators, individuals
or governors is painful
If you spend money in the stock market you are gambling. When you get in your
car to drive across town you are gambling (with your life). All of life is a
gamble, it's just some activities are riskier than others. So many people
want guarantees with all that they do. There are only two guarantees in life.
Death and taxes and not necessarily in that order.
I simply forgo one bottle of scotch a month and buy lottery tickets with that
money. Not losing a thing, and my wife and kids pick the numbers.
I believe gambling causes people to be depressed as the odds are against them.
The casinos have people hired to help these people feel a little better but not
about their situation. Life is for living and not wasting away the time
worrying. Stock market, insurance companies make money by people investing and
the chances are in favor of those people. Those types of businesses know their
chances. The casinos know their chances and it is not in people's favor to
win. What a depressing life to gamble away money before time is up.
The best way I have seen to compromise the two competing interests - how to give
the gamblers what they want while reducing some of the social unintended
consequences - is to implement a savings lottery. The simplest way to describe
it is as a savings account where the interest is compiled and given away much
like the winnings of a lottery. If the state wants to spur education
funding growth, contract with an private company to create accounts where people
make "deposits" when they buy "lottery tickets" and use the
proceedings to invest in stock/bonds/whatever and then give away a portion of
the returns to encourage more people to buy in to the program. The state would
then receive some portion of the returns as well. Several studies have been done
showing the effectiveness of such a program, but I don't believe it's
ever truly been implemented on a large scale. The plan probably
needs a lot of fine tuning and hasn't been proven beyond doubt, but lets
face it - neither has the "real" deal.
There is probably a lesislator out there that would be willing to forward a bill
to help pay for schooling.
They used to throw people in prison when the mob had a private lottery. It was
called "running the numbers". Now states entice the ignorant via,
"you can't win if you don't play". We have no shame.