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Dick Harmon: It's time to take the BYU, Utah and USU hype to a whole 'nother level

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  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    Dick,

    I got the jokes about BYU and USU but why were you all serious about the PAC10 fans from Salt Lake?

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Aug. 27, 2012 8:35 p.m.

    @PP

    I was in SLC for the first time in 5-6 years last weekend, and if you haven't noticed, the PAC12 logo is EVERYWHERE. I think it's cool the Utes are in the conference they are, but I got a kick out of the thread and paint comments. It's so over the top that it relates to the over the top attention given to Riley, and the excitement over the potato bowl (or whatever it's called).

    Excellent points Mr Harmon, thank goodness the season is finally here.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Aug. 27, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    I found this article funny. What is less funny is that Utah taxpayers subsidized BCS athletics at the UU by $10 million last year, and the amount is growing year-by-year. Not only is it time for state legislators to give Utah taxpayers a break by ending BCS subsidies at the UU.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 27, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    Dick,

    Nice try.

    May I suggest going back to writing about BYU
    receivers as fast as Nissan 300Zx or the likes.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 27, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    Dick,
    FYI...

    Sherwin Williams estimated that the sales of paint
    went up up 5 times in Provo when BYU re-joined
    WAC than the sales of paint in SLC when Utes joined
    Pac-12.

    You missed that, Dick.
    But nice try, I must say.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Aug. 27, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    ugggh..... that was just painful. 30 seconds of my life lost that I'd truly like back.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    So true. I was sickened when I took the family downtown to see Christmas lights and we saw the PAC 12 logo lighted up on poles all over downtown. I wrote letters and called the city council and hopefully this Christmas those decorations will stay on the hill were they belong. What does the PAC 12 logo have to do with Christmas? Was it a reminder that the UTEs gave Colorado a Gift?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    "Lift his teammates on his back and carry them to glory. Remember the comeback against the Aggies? The bowl game against Tulsa?"

    What so funny about BYU's two biggest wins since 2009?

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    i guess the only way some BYU fans seek revenge and forget 54-10 is to remind Ute fans that their team lost to Colorado who hadn't won a game since 2007. Totally unrelated to the shackling put on BYU by the Utes at LES. BYU fans can twist the loss any old way, to make it sound like the game was even. BYU fans say, if we hadn't turned it over 7 times, if we had done this and that and this and that, game would be even. Well since BYU didn't do this and that and this and that, the end result was 54-10. Its like LSU telling the media, if we had played good defense against Alabama and prevented them from scoring and we scored on them, they would have lost and we would have won. Well, like my father always told me, "if you are on the losing end when the clock reaches zero zero zero, you have no one to blame but yourself. Take your loss like a man and quit being such a sore loser. Sore losers are for cowards who can't accept defeat when they have lost."

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    Very nice Dick. The angst filled replies of the utah "fans" thus far have confirmed the truth of it.

    LOL!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    Here in Texas, Texas A&M has plastered SEC Country everywhere. Teams that aren't able to stand on their own, sit on the shoulders of their conference . . . sort of like if I was married to a Supermodel, I would introduce myself as Supermodel's husband instead of my own name / identity. Hopefully, Utah will get comfortable enough in their own skin that U won't always have to brag that you're in the PAC12. When U get to the point that U simply say, we're Utah, and that's enough, you will have arrived.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:27 p.m.

    Come On Dick. This is the best you can come up with just days before game one? Unbelievably lame content here. The only reason we read your columns is for the serious insight you provide from all your "Anonymous sources".

  • ConferenceofChampions Herriman, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    Cute blog Dick!

    Will you be travelling with the team down to las cruces in November? I hear its quite nice down there that time of year.

    LOL!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 27, 2012 11:56 p.m.

    C'mon, kids! Three good digs, one for each school, each one over-played, but that's what hype is.

    Except the comments about Utah, pretty sure they were spot on...

  • nomad1 American Fork, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    Sounds like Dick is still a little butt hurt over byu not getting invited to the party. I guess when you play in the WAC, you don't want to promote that!!! Thanks Dick. Don't look know, but your homerness is showing.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    @nomad1

    Sounds like utah "fans" still don't feel they can stand on their own two feet. I guess when you depend on greater schools than yourself to give you "acheivments" you don't want anyone to focus to closely on just you!!! Thanks utah "fans". Don't look now, but your insecurity is showing.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    It should be a fun year of football. SUU joining the Big Sky with Weber State in a conference that is comparable to the SEC for th FCS level, USU trying to make a statement as they join the MWC next year, Utah trying to improve upon a pretty decent showing in its first year of the PAC-12...and BYU doing whatever it is that they do.

    It really is a shame BYU didn't man up and join the Big-12. That really would have put the state of Utah on the map nationally. Imagine having Texas and Oklahoma coming to Provo the same day USC, Oregon, etc. would be in Salt Lake City, but BYU wants green-light games and a little green from their sweet minimal viewing hours contract with ESPN and their own TV rights with BYUtv.

    Maybe they can form a conference called The Expendables along with Idaho, New Mexico State, South Virginia, BYU-Hawaii, BYU-Idaho, UVU and LDS Business College.

    In all seriousness, good luck with the Independent thing, but you better find a conference and soon--before The Expendables becomes your only choice.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Aug. 28, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    says the fan of a team that benefited from Utah's two BCS bowl victories. It goes both ways you know. Let's be logical here.

  • ConferenceofChampions Herriman, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    BTW, I just googled "USC PAC-12 t-shirt" and guess what? They have a bunch of shirts with the PAC 12 logo on them as well. Hmmm. I guess it really is just a jealousy thing with all the cougar fans. You always want what you don't have. I know every time you see it, it must be a reminder of where things stand. Try not to focus too hard on the big blue arrow pointing straight down in the middle of the y logo.

    LOL!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Lol, wow...I can't believe how seriously some Utah fans are taking Dick's article. Did his joke hit a little too close to home?

    @Wildcat "In all seriousness, good luck with the Independent thing, but you better find a conference and soon"

    Why? Not sure why a conference is useful to BYU at this point. The BCS dies after 2013 and the 4-team playoff doesn't require you to be in a conference to get in. Being a conference champion might give some weight to being considered, but if 2013 is any indication, BYU's schedules will be strong enough that they will be considered if they can go undefeated.

    At this point, BYU has a ton of exposure, increased revenue, and the luxury of not having to have to compromise their standards in a conference, or to make concessions to conference commissioners.

    I'd say BYU's in a great position.

    Go Cougars!

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    The bigger conferences are having more conference games which will make it more difficult for BYU to be able to schedule big name teams. Also, it really is a no-winner for other big teams to play BYU--not much of win to boost rankings and a potentially devastating loss. Mid-majors might want to schedule them for access to an ESPN game, but they have conflicts of conference scheduling as well. Really BYU will depend on Idaho, NMSU, Notre Dame, Navy, and Army to pull it off.

    Notre Dame really only makes Independence work with a long history of tradition, and really other than one year in BCS bowl haven't done much in two decades.

    In my opinion, if BYU is truly interested in competing for a BCS game or National Championship, they will join a conference. If they are more concerned about money, they will stay independent.

    The FCS once was a four-team playoff, so here's hoping the NCAA gets to a 16-team playoff where every conference champion and a few at large teams get a bid. Then it can truly be said that any team has a chance at the title.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    rhappahannock,

    Where did your information come from? The fact is that the U has a $2.2 billion budget and only 8% comes from the State of Utah. And none of that state money goes to athletics. The athletic department at the U has always been self funded. Student fees do fund a small portion of the athletic budget but that is not tax dollars. Fact is, the U is operated as a public university but is funded more like a private university. BYU fans like to keep repeating what you said in your comment but it is not true and has been refuted many times.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    I love how BYU fans like Dick, Duckhunter and others just can't stand all the Pac12 logos everywhere.
    All that tells me is that the U of U needs to double their production of them.
    Pac 12 baby! Dang right! PAC 12 ... PAC 12 ... PAC 12!!! FEELS GOOD!

  • CrimsonUte Pocatello, ID
    Aug. 28, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Dick and BYU fans are just jealous that Utah actually has a conference logo because they actually have a conference.

  • CookieCrumbler Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    @rhappahannock: "I found this article funny. What is less funny is that Utah taxpayers subsidized BCS athletics at the UU by $10 million last year, and the amount is growing year-by-year. Not only is it time for state legislators to give Utah taxpayers a break by ending BCS subsidies at the UU."

    I find it funny how desperate people like you are, that you have to lie and/or put your ignorance on display for all to see. More than half of the supposed $10 million taxpayer subsidy that you claim is actually derived from student athletics fees. That $10 million number also includes deferred school expenses, such as tuition and tuition waivers. I'd be willing to bet that the U athletics department doesn't get a dime from tax revenue, but do continue amusing us all with your wild-eyed claims. But go ahead and prove me wrong. Put up proof that the U athletics department gets a REAL taxpayer subsidy, you know - stuff that isn't student fees and such. Bet you can't do it.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    @CookieCrumbler

    Just as you said, I'd love to see rhappahannock provide proof of the $10,000,000 subsidy from tax dollars.
    I GUARANTEE that proof won't be provided, because it's %100 false. Just another cougar fan making stuff up or simply not digging deeply enough to understand the facts. Big surprise, right?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    @jordan

    Sure BYU "benefitted" minimally from utah's bowl games. They got a few hundred thousand dollars from each, not much when you consider BYU's athletic budget is over 40 million per year.

    But there is a HUGE difference between "benefitting" from someone else and DEPENDENCE on someone else. utah is dependent, totally and completely, on others. They are incapable of making it without bigger and better schools to prop them up and they admit it with all of the pac12 slobbering they do. Congratulations?

    LOL!

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    I am loving all of these sour utes that can't take a joke. Love it, love it, love it. So insecure. Working so hard at trying to be legitimate that they can't poke fun their own mass signage. Even when Dick gave equal space to make fun of BYU, all they can do is get defensive and cry about it. True colors utes, thanks for continuing to provide ample evidence.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    @wildcat

    "The bigger conferences are having more conference games which will make it more difficult for BYU to be able to schedule big name teams."

    No they aren't, despite the lies of utah "fans" and people like you that try to claim they are. None of them are even discussing it, none. The pac12 is the only one doing it, and one conference does not constitute them all.

    Falsehoods like that one you tried to pass off are funny and easily pointed out. If you have evidence to the contrary please steer us to it.

    LOL!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    At least the PAC 12 logo or the U logo for that matter is not embedded in the floor tiles at the entrance of City Hall in Salt Lake City like the BYU emblem is embedded in the floor tiles at the entrance of Provo City Hall. Where is the separation of Church and State? Where is attorney Brian Barnard? I am an active member of the LDS faith but this practice at Provo City Hall is very inappropriate. I doubt the City of South Bend, Indiana has the emblem of Notre Dame in their floor tiles at City Hall.

  • ConferenceofChampions Herriman, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    byu fans can cry all they want about how Utah is "dependent" upon a conference to survive, yet that appears to be the ultimate desire for byu, and if you don't believe that you are fooling yourself. If the PAC or the big 12 called tomorrow you would jump through the phone.

    We all know where this is headed, and that is super conferences.

    And don't come with the argument that byu would be an immediate power in the PAC or the Big 12. You know better, and your on the field performance proves it.

    But I do understand Las Cruces in November is just wonderful. As you will notice there are some critical openings still in next years schedule in November. Will the mighty byu sign another home and home with nm state? We shall see.

    LOL

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Aug. 28, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    Very nice Dick. The angst filled replies of the utah "fans" thus far have confirmed the truth of it.

    LOL!

    >>>

    There is a difference between hype and wishful thinking Duckhunter. Unfortunately you fall into the latter category with fellow BYU fans. All that you and Cosmo Coug have to look forward to this year is funeral potatoes on a stick, and green jello smoothies sold at LES concession stands.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    Here are the facts on Utah:

    # 20 basketball program the last 50 years. ESPN

    # 20 combined b-ball and football programs since the BCS era. Rivals

    # 2 football stadium in the PAC 12. USA Today

    Largest b-ball arena in the PAC 12.

    Where was Utah dependent on anyone or any conference for the above achievements? Sure the U has benefited but the U was dependent on nobody for what they have accomplished above.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "But there is a HUGE difference between "benefitting" from someone else and DEPENDENCE on someone else. utah is dependent, totally and completely, on others."
    ____________

    And I gotta tell ya, "dependence" is AWESOME!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    @Wildcat "The bigger conferences are having more conference games which will make it more difficult for BYU to be able to schedule big name teams."

    Like Duckhunter said, only the PAC has gone to 9 conference game. I also find it fascinating that we scheduled a game with Wisconsin in 2013 and that they actually set the date for November, right in the middle of their conference race.

    Their AD (or their coach, can't remember which) said that because of the SoS requirements that the new playoff format is introducing, they're looking to upgrade their schedule. BYU will most likely benefit from that, as was already made apparent with the Badgers scheduling the Cougs next year.

    I'm not worried about scheduling. Tom Holmoe said it would take two years before the scheduling started to improve, and he's delivered.

    BYU doesn't need a conference in order to be successful and relevant. Only 5 teams were on the ESPN family of networks more than the Cougars last year.

    Great time to be a BYU fan!

    Go Cougars!

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    "Remember [BYU's] comeback against the Aggies? The bowl game against Tulsa?"

    LOL.....This says it all about where BYU is as a program.

    Sorry Mr. Harmon that BYU got left in the freezer during conference realignment. It's Utah's moment and the future of the state's collegiate football lies with the Utes. The talent gap seems to grow every year between Utah and BYU and will only widen as Utah brings in Top 30 classes. In the meantime, the former talent gap between BYU and the Aggies is becoming more even. You are correct to be concerned about your team.

    In the end, you can choose to support your state's flagship university or you can hang onto the past. I suggest you'll feel better if you release your dislike of the Utes and embrace the future, which you know in your heart and in your mind is up on the Hill.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    We all know that the Y is dependent on others. They need others to schedule them, to try and make their schedule not as weak as it already is. Also, with the BCS ending, and super conferences most likely happening sometime in the next decade or so, for the Y to do anything at all in college football, they will need to be dependent on others. Will it be the Pac 12, nope. SEC, nope. ACC, nope. Big 12, yup, you guessed it. Nope. The Y has burned way too many bridges for it to have any realistic chance of joining a super conference.

    Hyperbole at it's best with Harmon, and the comments of Riley and his amazing comebacks against 2 of the weaker teams in college football, and they had to make a late game rally to win them both. It's gonne be great to watch the Y lose next year, and most likely be lucky to get to 6-6 when they play a halfway decent schedule.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    @Duckhunter and TrueCoug1:

    Here's the proof:

    Second half of 2013 schedule: @Wisconsin, @Notre Dame, and @Hawaii with 3 TBA's
    Second half of 2014 schedule: home vs. Hawaii, @Boise State, and @Southern Miss with 3 TBAs
    Second half of 2015 schedule: @Southern Miss and @Hawaii, 4 TBAs

    Home games against the mid-majors and on the road vs. the big teams in the second half basically. No more WAC to fill up the second half. Thompson will more than likely discourage MWC teams from playing them, which leaves the Sun Belt, C-USA, and MAC to fill up the later schedule.

    No LOL--just sad...very, very sad considering they could be playing: Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas (for basketball). Big East would be better, might as well get league credit for playing Boise State every year.

    BYU is trying to water down the schedule and back into a BCS or championship game. Sorry, but 1984 can't exist under today's conditions.

    My condolences for the serious BYU fans.

    Maybe BYU can do a 3-1 with Weber State, every fourth year, BYU has to come to Ogden. We'll even schedule it in the second half.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 28, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    truecoug1

    I'm not worried about scheduling. Tom Holmoe said it would take two years before the scheduling started to improve, and he's delivered.

    BYU doesn't need a conference in order to be successful and relevant. Only 5 teams were on the ESPN family of networks more than the Cougars last year.

    Great time to be a BYU fan!

    Go Cougars!

    _______________________

    Yet BYU had lame ratings on ESPN last season. If nobody is watching it does not matter how many times they are on TV.
    They need San Jose St., New Mexico St., Idaho and the rest to be relevant. That's all BYU can do to fill out its schedule. Yep, Holmoe has delivered alright.

    When is Wisconsin playing at LES?

  • nomad1 American Fork, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    Utah is proud of its affiliation with the PAC 12 and should be. It's a big deal and a great accomplishment for the university and the state of Utah. If Ute fans revel in it too much, so be it. Why do byu fans care so much or Dick for that matter? I think this story is more about Dick's insecurity than some good natured teasing. I'm proud of Utah's accomplishments and look forward to the exposure it brings to the state's premier university. GO UTES! GO PAC12!!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Lets see BYU and Idaho going independent.

    Utah and TCU joining a real conference.

    I think being "dependent" is good:

    "I think really in about three years you'll see four super conferences, and I think the Big East will go away and maybe the ACC," Brady Hoke said.

    "This isn't exactly a novel concept. As expansion has been rampant and the Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 and Pac-12 have been trying to one-up each other with bowl agreement and television deals while the Big East and the ACC have been trying to hold their membership together. There's no doubt the strong are getting stronger while everyone else is scratching and clawing to get a piece of the action."

    -- Yahoo Sports

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 10:21 p.m.

    @uteology

    I'm not worried about it. BYU will be fine. You realize it is the Lords university don't you? You claim to be LDS, as do many of the other conflicted and BYU hating LDS utah "fans" around here. I have quite a bit more faith in the decisions made from those leaders than the opinons of brady hoke, or you. I do enjoy reading how much you hope and pray that BYU will go away though. It is apparent that you realize that as long as BYU sponsors intecollegiate sports that utah will never be better than second fiddle in this state so utah "fans" like yourself just pray they'll go away. It's the old 'you can't beat them so hope for their death' way of thinking. Pathetic.

    LOL!

  • nomad1 American Fork, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:17 p.m.

    @ duckhunter

    I'm LDS and don't like byu Ducky. Why is it you feel the need to comment on every post that doesn't praise byu? You prove your insecurities with each post. If you're confident in your team, I mean the lords team, you shouldn't feel the need to respond to every criticism. Your attitudes are exactly the reason alot of lds don't like byu. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution. If you are lds, you represent that institution perfectly. Here's a LOL! right at ya!!! Rise up Ducky!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:21 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "Utah will get comfortable enough in their own skin that U won't always have to brag that you're in the PAC12."

    Well it's not like we'd be able to impress anyone by bragging about how our little brother is in the WAC, so all the Pac-12 talk will just have to do.

    I simply LOVE how much the "Pac-12" label and logo drives our little brothers absolutely berzerk!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:29 p.m.

    motorbike:

    "I love how BYU fans like Dick, Duckhunter and others just can't stand all the Pac12 logos everywhere...All that tells me is that the U of U needs to double their production of them."

    I live in Philadelphia, so I wouldn't know, but have we put up a huge billboard of "Now entering Pac-12 Country" for the North-bound lanes of I-15 at the Point of the Mountain? Because that would be soooo sweet!

    Dear Dr. Hill,

    More Pac-12 logos please!

  • nomad1 American Fork, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:31 p.m.

    naval vet:

    I thought the pac12 logo would be less offensive than the 54-10 beat down. Apparently they would like to see 54-10 plastered everywhere instead of pac12. Weird stuff!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:31 p.m.

    @Ducky

    I don't ever recall claiming to be LDS.

    "It's the old 'you can't beat them so hope for their death' way of thinking. Pathetic."

    Utah can't beat BYU in football?

    Yes because it's more impressive to "can't beat them so lets go jump on the bandwagon of the team that does (i.e. TCU, Colorado)".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "No they aren't, despite the lies of utah 'fans' and people like you that try to claim they are. None of them are even discussing it, none. The pac12 is the only one doing it, and one conference does not constitute them all."

    Then why did Ga. Tech back out of one of your Home-&-Home agreements?

    Answer: Because they're committed to moving to 9-game league slates.

    And, FWIW, that's also why Iowa State backed out of returning Utah's 2009 game for 2011. Because the Big 12 decided to play 9-game league slates as well.

    Furthermore, once the Pac-12/BigTen arrangement fell through, the BigTen had begun talks with the ACC to try one with them instead. Now the BigTen seems pretty committed to the idea of 8 league games, but if the agreement with the ACC takes root, that'll be their 9th.

    The truth is, big conferences are looking at bolstering their SOS. And they won't be looking too frequently in Provo.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 6:35 a.m.

    A fun story to read Dick... obvious from the comments that the utes don't have any sense of humor. Could it be that the truth hurts? That their glory is just from being included in the PAC whatever? I've got to hand it to them.. Even if they are the doormat, they're proud to be there.

    Keep up the great work Dick. I can't wait for the season to begin!!!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    For everyone's information the PAC 12/Utah Utes banners hanging on the lamp posts all over downtown Salt Lake City do not belong to the University of Utah nor are they hung on the poles by the University. The banners are owned and put up by a downtown business group called the "Downtown Alliance". These business people are proud of their relationship with the State's flagship university and rightly so. Dick Harmon knows this but is attempting to stir things up by insinuating that the U wants all this exposure to be "in your face". But so what? The University, the business alliance and the community at large have something to be proud of, the hometown university as a member of an elite conference.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Ducky,

    You realize of course that leaders of the LDS Church like President Thomas S. Monson graduated from the U and met his wife Francis there. A few seasons back he was presented at half time in RES the U's super fan award along with a standing ovation from the fans. Other LDS Apostles also went to the U and some attended other universities. Not everyone went to BYU. Of course these leaders are inspired and they direct the affairs at BYU as seems best. But keep in mind that they also maintain a very close affiliation with the U. For instance, the Church just donated $4 million for the construction of the new law school. The Church donates heavily to the U and contributes to most new construction projects. I know you know all this because you claim to do a lot of construction contracting work at the U. You just like to keep stirring the pot for what ever reason.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    @ Naval Vet

    "I live in Philadelphia, so I wouldn't know, but have we put up a huge billboard of "Now entering Pac-12 Country" for the North-bound lanes of I-15 at the Point of the Mountain?"
    ________________

    I'm with you, a billboard like this would be phenomenal. BYU fans get all stressed and bothered by the PAC 12 logo everywhere which is exactly why more would be better. They don't seem to realize that Utah could take it to a far greater level if they wanted. As you alluded to, there are several billboards in the South saying "welcome to SEC Country!"

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    @Wildcat "Here's the proof:

    Second half of 2013 schedule: @Wisconsin, @Notre Dame, and @Hawaii with 3 TBA's"

    First, in 2013 there are 2 TBA's that Holmoe says are being wrapped up. Second, I don't see how that's proof. The schedule's already improved in year 3, like Holmoe said it would. I don't see any WAC schools on the slate for 2013.

    Basically, I'm not worried about it at all. I trust the administration and I love where we're at right now. I think it's funny that people like to say it's all 'doom and gloom' for BYU.

    I'd say it's all bright and blue. Good time to be a Cougar!

    @WACPadding "Yet BYU had lame ratings on ESPN last season. If nobody is watching it does not matter how many times they are on TV."

    BYU had average ratings last year and I guarantee they were a heck of a lot higher than the Utes ratings on KJZZ. Ironically, our second-worst rated game came against Utah. The Utes can't even get on national TV, so what does that say about U?

    Go Cougars!

  • emotionalfriend sandy, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    checking out the stomach of another guy, seems kinda...

    not that there is anything wrong with it

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    truecoug1,

    The BYU and USC games vs Utah are on ESPN. The Utah vs UCLA game has been picked up by FOX. Not Fox cable but Fox in prime time on a Saturday. These games are all national and the second half of the season when ESPN and FOX make their PAC 12 selections has not been announced yet so your little dig that the Utes can't even get on national TV says more about you than it does about the U.

    Sure, when the ESPN BYU TV contract is up ESPN will most likely renew it but don't count on getting a new contract worth a great deal of more money than BYU is currently getting. The ratings just don't support it. In contrast, Utah's TV deal with the PAC 12 increases every year for the next twelve years reaching about $30 million a year when you include the PAC 12 network revenue.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    Since the Utes are no longer relevant on their own, they must seek relevance through association.

    The bottom-dwelling members of the "conferenceofchampions" finished:

    8th in football, with a losing 4-5 conference record, including that humiliating home loss to the worst team in the conference

    11th in basketball, with only three conference wins

    last or next to last in every other men's sport

    Utah has become the Duke, Indiana, Kansas, or Vanderbilt of the PAC 12, only without the basketball program to cling to for relevance.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 29, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    motorbike:

    Wouldn't it ALSO be sweet to put up ANOTHER huge billboard at Point of the Mountain for the southbound I-15 lanes?

    "Now entering WAC Country"

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    @Dutchman "The BYU and USC games vs Utah are on ESPN. The Utah vs UCLA game has been picked up by FOX. Not Fox cable but Fox in prime time on a Saturday."

    I haven't seen anything to show that the Utah/UCLA game was picked up by Fox during 'prime-time', but let's assume that's true. Basically what you're saying is that you have one more nationally televised game than last year.

    U got a game on ESPN2 last year because of your big brother BYU. U had a game on ESPNU last year against Pitt.

    This year, U have a game on ESPN against your big brother BYU. U have a game against USC on ESPN during one of those Thursday night games U like to make fun of BYU for having. And U have a supposed game with UCLA on Fox.

    You're absolutely right, I stand corrected...clearly, Utah is in high demand for national TV. My 'little dig' was way off (roll my eyes).

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    @Dutchman "In contrast, Utah's TV deal with the PAC 12 increases every year for the next twelve years reaching about $30 million a year when you include the PAC 12 network revenue."

    So? I think it's cute that Utah will then be able to build better facilities and move out of their trailer park over the next few years. But bro, BYU already has top-notch facilities. They already operate in the black, which is why they're able to build the new video boards at LES. It's why they've had their top-notch Student Athlete Building and Outdoor Practice Facility for 5 years. The money that we get from our TV contract is just fluff.

    But maybe now the Utes will be able to expand their stadium to more of a 'big boy' stadium. Maybe they'll be able to move out of their trailer park.

    And maybe they'll be able to buy their recruits, like Oregon and USC do...oh wait a second...ok, you're right, I can see how that money will help U.

    :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 29, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    Swoop:

    "8th in football, with a losing 4-5 conference record..."

    Having never finished lower than 3rd in the Pac-12 South, and having never finished with an overall conference record of 6th in the Pac-12, I don't know what you're talking about. You must have frantically and emotionally made that up.

    It'll bring tears to your eyes (not tears of joy mind you) once you check out the Week 1 Power Rankings for the Pac-12 over on ESPN's college football site. Over there, Utah is 4th. So much for perceptions of being a Pac-12 bottom-feeder, eh little brother?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    truecoug1,

    You obviously don't understand the PAC 12 TV deal which is just starting this year. Quit going back to last year. There was no ESPN/FOX PAC 12 network TV last year. Utah had to make do on KJZZ. That is over and in the past. The new TV deal this year allows ESPN and Fox to divide the season into segments and then announce who will be on prime time. ESPN and FOX have not announced the TV lineup for the PAC 12 in the latter half of the season yet. So, rather than bashing the U over something you know nothing about why don't you do some homework. Every game that is not on ESPN or FOX will be on the PAC 12 network and when the deal is done with DirecTV those game will be national also.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    truecoug1,

    Utah has overachieved with the facilities they have. Facilities do not guarantee long term success but when those new facilities come online look out. The U has already achieved this:

    # 20 best b-ball program last 50 years. ESPN

    # 12 best b-ball program last 100 years. NBC Sports

    # 20 best combined football and basketball programs since the BCS era. Rivals

    # 2 best football stadium PAC 12. USA Today

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    Utah is working out of trailers for now BECAUSE they are in the process of moving into one of the nicest facilities in the country, not because they can't afford anything better... but I think you knew that. Jealousy is an ugly color my friend.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Aug. 29, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Highland, UT

    I'm not worried about it. BYU will be fine. You realize it is the Lords university don't you?

    Perhaps the dumbest post ever on these boards.
    You clearly need to spend some time with a great, yet humble man like LaVell Edwards to get a little perspective.

  • Gone to Tulsa Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 6:37 p.m.

    Duckhunter has hit an all time low, and that is saying something. I'm pretty sure the Lord doesn't care about football. Luckily a "business" trip is due here in a few weeks, I'm sure it'll be nice to get away after another beat down.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Aug. 29, 2012 7:48 p.m.

    I remember the Riley Nelson that failed big time against TCU. I remember the BYU team that quit against Utah. I remember young assistants that mean well but lack experience. Most of the same cast is back this year but the schedule is tougher.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    @Dutchman "You obviously don't understand the PAC 12 TV deal which is just starting this year. Quit going back to last year. There was no ESPN/FOX PAC 12 network TV last year."

    Dutchman, you're making this WAY too easy for me.

    Here's a quote from an article from the SL Trib about last year's PAC 12 TV schedule: "ABC/ESPN, Fox Sports Net and Versus have the right to pick up a [PAC 12] game 12 days before it's scheduled to be played. If they don't, KJZZ can move ahead with plans to telecast it."

    It's interesting that, even though they have a new PAC 12 TV contract with ESPN and FOX, it operates the same way as last year, namely, ESPN and FOX have first rights to televise PAC 12 conference games. If they choose not to, it falls to the PAC 12 Network. Just like this year, the second half of conference play TBA last year.

    So it's no different than last year, when the networks assigned with the PAC 12 decided to pick up FOUR Utah games (tied with Oregon St for fewest in the PAC)

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    @Dutchman continued "Every game that is not on ESPN or FOX will be on the PAC 12 network and when the deal is done with DirecTV those game will be national also."

    So if last year is any indication, this year's Utes will be seeing the PAC 12 network a LOT. Unfortunately, since that 'imminent deal' with DirecTV has fallen through, KJZZ might actually have been a better option for Ute fans to watch their team play.

    U have no pull in the PAC 12. Their networks recognize this, which is why they chose to put COLORADO on ESPN against USC rather than the 'mighty, BCS-bustin' Utes'.

    U have no brand. U helped to lower the Sun Bowl's rating dramatically last year. 2010 Sun Bowl rating: 3.01. 2011 Sun Bowl rating: 2.71.

    Lol, but U go ahead and think the Utes are special. The PAC 12 sure doesn't.

    Go Cougars!

    P.S. Maybe YOU should do your homework before you come out and say something...it's too easy to pick you apart.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    @Dutchman "Utah has overachieved with the facilities they have."

    And BYU has overachieved with the restrictions they have. For all the talk we hear of how K Whitt develops better talent, Bronco has a better overall record than K Whitt.

    And hey, no arguments here on Utah's basketball program being top 15 for the last 100 years. It's just sad that they're probably in the bottom 15 for the last 5.

    I think it's also funny that Utah fans try to bash on BYU for their national championship that happened 30 years ago, yet here you are bringing up rankings from various sites of how the Utes fare in the last 50-100 years.

    But whatever makes you feel better. BYU's had a better football team for the last 50 years than Utah, but Utah's had a much better basketball team. Utah had a great decade in 2000 in football, but their basketball team has taken a nose dive.

    By the way, your '#2 Stadium in the PAC 12' is closer in size to NMSU than it is to BYU.

    Just saying.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    @Two For Flinching "Utah is working out of trailers for now BECAUSE they are in the process of moving into one of the nicest facilities in the country, not because they can't afford anything better... but I think you knew that."

    Lol, of course I knew that, just like Utah fans KNOW that BYU's contract with the WAC is ending after this season. That doesn't change the fact that U fans still razz BYU fans about their 'WAC-schedule'.

    So just because you may be moving into some brand new facilities doesn't change the fact that U are currently operating out of a trailer park...and that's just hilarious!

    Rather apropos, don't U think?

    And I'm not sure why I would be jealous about that, or anything relating to the Utes for that matter. But if thinking that gets U through the day, go right ahead :)

    I'm just looking forward to going to LES tonight to check out the new upgrades.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    @Wayne Rout "I remember the Riley Nelson that failed big time against TCU."

    Really? I remember the Riley Nelson that had the best game a QB from BYU or Utah has had against a TCU defense since Max Hall back in 2007. The guy accounted for almost 300 yds of offense, more than the entire TCU team. We lost that game because our punting team had a meltdown, which led to 21 TCU points.

    I also remember the BYU team that quit against Utah. Fractures in the locker room, perfect storm game...don't think that's happening this year.

    Should be a great season. Looking forward to it to start! 8 hours!

    Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 30, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    "U helped to lower the Sun Bowl's rating dramatically last year. 2010 Sun Bowl rating: 3.01. 2011 Sun Bowl rating: 2.71."

    Is a 10% drop "dramatic"?

    Even so, our TV audience (4.1 million) was STILL over TWICE as large as YOURs (2 million)! Haha!

    "Bronco has a better overall record than K Whitt."

    Y fans like to boast of Bronco's "better overall record", but do they even know what they're talking about? Not likely.

    Bronco's record at the Y is 66-24. Kyle's record at the U is 66-25. So essentially, Bronco has only a ONE game advantage. But then again, Bronco has consistently played weaker SOS.

    Bronco is 10-10 vs. BCS opponents. Kyle is 18-9. Edge: Kyle.

    Bronco has only beaten 2 teams who have finished ranked in the Top-25; none of which were in the Top-15. Kyle has beaten 6; 2 of which were in the Top-10. Edge: Kyle.

    And Kyle leads the KW-BM series. Edge: Kyle.

    Lastly, Bronco played one more FCS opponent than Kyle. So THERE's your 1-game advantage. How not-very impressive.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    @proud ute

    It isn't the Lords University? Are you LDS? You do not think that the men leading the Univeristy, you know the leaders of the church itself, aren't inspired to do what is right and in the best interests of the church and the Lords University?

    You see I believe they are inspired, and that has nothing to do with football directly, just overall. I believe that what happens with BYU is what SHOULD happen with BYU and that is why I don't worry about it. If you believe my faith in the church leadership, and the direction they have for BYU, is "dumb" then perhaps you need to examine your own perspective on this.

    I do enjoy utah "fan" overeactions, like yours, especially when they are LDS utah "fans", when someone posts that they have faith in the direction the leaders of the church take BYU. You see BYU isone of the most visible, and important, institutions that the church has. I find it sad that so many LDS utah "fans" are so conflicted over the place of BYU in the church that their hate blinds them to its overall leadership and purpose.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    @naval vet

    You are the only entity of any kind in existence that claims whittingham has 66 wins. No other person, site, organization, or entity of any kind makes that false claim other than you. That fiesta bowl win is credited to urban meyer, as it should be. Even utah's own record books credit it to urban meyer. It is just you, in your pathetic attempt to try and claim one more win to tie whittingham with Bronco, that makes that claim. Absolutely the most hilarious, frantic, emotional, delicious, and ridiculous claim ever made by anyone on these boards.

    LOL!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "You are the only entity of any kind in existence that claims whittingham has 66 wins."

    You've already been told where to verify this, but here it is again...

    Go to utahutes dot com, select "Football", then scroll down to where you see "coaches". Click that icon. Once that page loads, click "Kyle Whittingham". Scroll down to the 2nd line right beneath his photo. There it read:

    "Career Record: 66-25"

    Case closed. You lose.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Even so, our TV audience (4.1 million) was STILL over TWICE as large as YOURs (2 million)! Haha!"

    Not surprising, considering the times for when the games were played. Armed Forces Bowl was played at 10 AM MT on a Friday morning on ESPN. Sun Bowl was played at 12 PM MT on a Saturday on CBS. More people are at home from work on a Saturday, and more people have access to CBS. Frankly, I'm surprised that there weren't MORE than 4 million people watching the Sun Bowl, and I'm surprised that there were actually 2 million people watching the Armed Forces Bowl.

    Besides that, according to Nielsen, BYU helped the Armed Forces Bowl ratings (1.33 in 2010, 1.43 in 2011).

    BYU has a national brand.

    The U doesn't.

    Hence BYU playing on ESPN prime time last night versus Utah being stuck on the 'national' PAC 12 network.

    It's almost like the Mountain all over again.

    Enjoy that PAC 12 high chair!

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    @NavalVet "But then again, Bronco has consistently played weaker SOS."

    Lol, what? Are you serious?

    Up until the 2011 football season, Bronco and Kyle played in the same conference. Take away Utah's first season in the PAC 12 and BYU's BCS teams played in that same year, and K Whitt was 14-4 against BCS teams while BYU was 8-8. That means that Utah played a grand total of TWO more BCS teams than BYU.

    So how has Bronco played a "consistently weaker SOS"?

    Kudos to K Whitt for getting his team ready for the big stage. However, it's the 'little stage' that U have to worry about. U conveniently left out the fact that K Whitt has 7 losses against teams with losing records. Bronco has 2. Edge: Bronco

    "Lastly, Bronco played one more FCS opponent than Kyle. So THERE's your 1-game advantage."

    Actually, the FCS opponent record is square after last night. BYU has a one game advantage from beating a 'mighty' PAC 12 team.

    So again, for all the talk we hear of how K Whitt develops better talent, Bronco has a better overall record than K Whitt.

    Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 31, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    Obviously, you failed to verify that Whittingham has just as many wins as Bronco. His record is now 67-25. And next week, Bronco goes on to one-up Kyle in FCS games.

    While we HAD played in the same conference prior to 2011, we did NOT play the same non-conference records. Utah's OOC schedule is what gave us the tougher SOS. Utah played more BCS teams, and more ranked teams. Had we played 2 fewer BCS teams, and 3 fewer ranked teams, and substituted them for 4 more weak SOS mid-majors and an FCS team, Kyle's record would have been closer to 72-21.

    If your Nielsen rating was a 1.4, while ours was a 3.01, don't try to sell me on the notion your brand is "national". I still can't buy Y licensed apparel at any Dick's or Modell's sporting goods stores. If you really DID have a national brand, Philadelphians would be wearing your hats, jerseys, sweatshirts, and tees. But they're not.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 1, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    "At BYU, Riley Nelson mania has taken over"!!! Oh boy - Dick is really having to stretch to find something in Provo to get excited about. Riley Nelson mania? Maybe with some 18 year old freshman girls but that's about it. I remember the days when their was 'real' national mania over BYU QB's - Sporting News, ESPN Mag, Sports Illustrated etc... This is sort of sad to be honest. BYU football is dying on the vine.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2012 11:54 a.m.

    @NavalVet "Obviously, you failed to verify that Whittingham has just as many wins as Bronco. His record is now 67-25."

    Oh right, that wonderful Fiesta Bowl win when K Whitt was a CO-head coach. I forgot about that one (roll my eyes). Look, I think it's cute that the NCAA credits both him and Urban Meyer with a win, but he wasn't the head coach at that time. He was offered the head coaching position AFTER the Fiesta Bowl.

    That makes his record as the official head coach of Utah 66-25. As the CO-head coach, he is 1-0. It also makes his record against BCS teams during the Utes' time in the MWC 13-4, which means they played ONE more game against a BCS foe than BYU.

    So if U csn show me proof that BYU's SOS during their MWC time was "CONSISTENTLY weaker" than Utah's, I may believe U. Otherwise, you're just being frantic and emotional.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Had we played 2 fewer BCS teams, and 3 fewer ranked teams, and substituted them for 4 more weak SOS mid-majors and an FCS team, Kyle's record would have been closer to 72-21."

    Actually, given K Whitt's success against BCS teams and his struggles against those weak mid-majors, I think it's just as fair to say that K Whitt's record would be closer to 62-30 then 72-21.

    "If your Nielsen rating was a 1.4, while ours was a 3.01, don't try to sell me on the notion your brand is "national"."

    U really want to go there? I already explained the difference between the two. Friday morning versus Saturday midday. ESPN versus CBS. And Utah helped to lower the Sun Bowl's rating FROM a 3.01 in 2010 to a 2.71 in 2011.

    BYU helped increase the Armed Forces Bowl rating from a 1.33 in 2010, to a 1.43 in 2011.

    BYU's brand brought value to the Armed Forces bowl. Utah's brand helped to take away value from the Sun Bowl.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    @NavalVet "I still can't buy Y licensed apparel at any Dick's or Modell's sporting goods stores. If you really DID have a national brand, Philadelphians would be wearing your hats, jerseys, sweatshirts, and tees."

    That's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. I can't find licensed Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn St apparel here in Utah sporting goods stores. So according to U, if they really DID have national brands, Utahns would be wearing their apparel. But they aren't.

    Of course, I haven't SEEN every Utahn in the state, so maybe they are. But since U obviously speak for all Philadelphians, than I guess we have to conclude that you're right (roll my eyes).

    From Dave Brown, VP of Programming for ESPN: "Our schedule was lacking because we didn’t have BYU on, and now moving forward they’ll just be a big, big part of our lineup and that’s going to be great for us. BYU is a GREAT BRAND and we know they’re always going to be successful and we certainly look forward to a long way past 2020."

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    @NavalVet continued

    Obviously, ESPN feels that BYU adds value to their company, which is why in the first year of independence, BYU had 11 of their 13 games televised on the ESPN networks.

    Utah is in the PAC 12 because of the SLC TV Market. The PAC 12 has zero respect for Utah's 'brand' as evidenced by the fact that the networks aligned with the PAC 12 only picked up 4 of Utah's games last year (tied for last in the PAC with OSU). Heck, those same networks feel like COLORADO has more of a brand than Utah, as evidenced by the Buffs playing USC on ESPN prime time, while Utah got relegated to a Versus televised contest with the Trojans.

    Even Spence Checketts, the biggest Ute homer in the SLC radio market, said on 1280 The Zone that BYU has a much larger national brand than Utah.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    @NavalVet continued

    Finally, check out the CommonCensus NCAA Football Fan map. It's a survey of 29,000 people from around the country to find out which team they cheer for. Almost without fail, if U set the radius to 200 miles and click anywhere around the country, BYU is in the top 15 (including the Pennsylvania area). Utah is rarely found anywhere outside of Utah.

    But of course, Philadelphians don't wear BYU apparel, so naturally BYU isn't a national brand (roll my eyes). Let me guess...you've seen tons of Philadelphians with Utah apparel.

    That was weak, Naval Vet. Maybe next time U should use empirical evidence or actual stats to support the whole "BYU doesn't have a national brand" thing. Seeing as how there aren't any, U lose.

    BYU is a valued brand in college football and with ESPN.

    Utah has KJZZ and a trailer park.

    'Nuff said.

    Go Cougars!