Let's face it, someone always gets marginalised. A lot of people take a
bother with women not getting recognition in sport; not as many take to the
streets for more representation for men. It is interesting that professional
sports still are really quite male dominated. I don't think I could name
even one professional female basketball player, yet I could name whole rosters
of NBA teams. Women are not really given as much recognition on the professional
sport circuit, but I think that there is much more opportunity on the lower
levels for them to participate. I commend women who participate in sports, and I
think it will never be "fair" for everyone who wants to participate.
That's the problem with affirmative action. I am glad my daughters have
opportunity to play, but I wish my son could maybe play volleyball in high
You are kidding right. Now we are blaming female athletes for something the
gov't mandated? Give me a break.
Men's funding has been cut from something near 100%, and you find that
intolerable.Women's funding has been increased from something
near 0%, and you find that intolerable.Selfish, much?
"there isn't as much interest in athletics among females."
Seriously? Where'd all these female olympians come from?
Maybe women are rising to the occasion and men are just too busy watching Sunday
When I came to Utah in 1978, the U cut the men’s gymnastics team and built
the women’s program because of Title IX. I did not come to the U for
gymnsatics, but I was a state champion from the east coast and would have tried
out for the men’s team.
Before we get too caught up in the men vs. women debate, a lot of people need to
remember the USA men actually did pretty well in several events at this
year's Olympic games which in other recent Olympics they have not done well
in. Here are a few examples.-Galen Rupp won silver in the
Men’s 10,000 meters, the first American to medal in this race since 1964.
-Leonel Manzano won silver in the Men’s 1500 meters, the first
American to medal in this event since 1968.-Ashton Eaton and Trey
Hardee won gold and silver respectively in the decathlon, the first time U.S.
men finished first and second in the decathlon since 1956.
Doug, you're absolutely right.Adjustments should have been made
to compensate for the lower interest levels among females in participating in
sports. When a college has 5,000 male students and 5,000 females, it is very
unfair to provide equal funding for men's and women's sports if 500
men want to participate compared with 100 women.Of course,
you're also right in saying that the media have failed to report on the
unfairness. They'd rather put their energy into road trippin' and
David Boudia won gold in the Men’s 10 meter platform dive, the first
American to win gold in this event since Greg Louganis in 1988. Jordan Burroughs and Jake Varner won gold in their respective weight classes
in men’s freestyle wrestling. The first time the USA won two gold medals
in Men’s freestyle since 1996.Aries Merritt and Jason
Richardson won gold and silver respectively in the Men’s 110 meter
hurdles. The first time the USA won gold and silver in this event since 1996.
What a travesty. Title IX is good at its core, allowing for more women to
compete, but leaving young men behind. There is no secret that football brings
in most of the money for universities through athletics, and without football
almost none of these women sports could exist, so why not exempt football and
allow a few more young men the opportunity to gain scholarships, instead of
dropping them like a bad habit. Title IX has created inequality, not solved it.
Even if you were to take away all the medals the USA women won, the USA men
still did better than all but six countries, men and women combined. I have a hard time believing USA men's athletics, even at the Olympics,
are going to be extinct in my lifetime.
You get results in whatever you subsidize, and proportionately greater emphasis
is being placed on women's sports at the college level than on men's
sports. Thus, no one should be surprised at the long term trends. Doug is
merely pointing out the results of the law of unintended consequences.
Other than the fact that universities end up dropping viable men's programs
to try to equalize gender numbers, what bothers me is I hear too often of
universities going out of their way to recruit girls for sports in which they
had no prior interest. I knew of a girl who got her Stanford education paid for
because Stanford found her and asked her to join their water polo team. She was
a bigger girl who of course was a swimmer, but this premium education fell into
her lap because of Title IX. I separately remember a few years ago Arizona
State--in the desert--recruiting girls for their rowing team. Sounds like
something that requires a "rimshot." How I wish my daughter--a regular,
bright girl, who, like many of her friends (as the article pointed out) has
little interest in sports--had the desire to play something like lacrosse, as
the four daughters of another family I know do. All of them have received
scholarships for playing a game that, while exciting, I'm sure,
nevertheless generates very little interest among most people in this country.
What a very sad piece the DN decided to run. Is this more that women should be
baking cookies for their hard working men series? Good grief, American women
did great because many other countries don't think their women deserve the
right to compete. Look at the female Saudi runner who didn't even get any
coverage in her own home country. The international competition just isn't
there, where as even in American dominated sports like basketball we are seeing
more global parity. Of course there isn't competition in women's
basketball... women don't play the sport in other countries.This isn't about de-emphasizing mens sports, but global parity. Is the
American woman's soccer program better because it stole resources from mens
soccer - or is it because girls in other nations don't play sport to the
level that girls in this country play sport? Just perhaps our
women are competing at higher levels not at the expense of mens sports. America
is the champion of equal opportunity. It is very sad that the DN feels this
opportunity has come at the cost of men. Women can succeed without men loosing.
I must disagree with UtahBlueDevil. With BYU dropping wrestling and men's
gymnastics, and with Utah dropping men's gymnastics as Reporterson
mentioned, I do think it is very much at the expense of men's athletics.
Men's soccer is another one that comes to mind. Because of the number of
boys there are that play soccer, and given that only about half of the schools
in the country sanction NCAA men's soccer teams, it is extremely difficult
for a boy to get a full-ride soccer scholarship. But it is well-known to those
who follow the sport that a very high percentage of girls who play soccer end up
with soccer scholarships, because the number of girls playing soccer still lags
far behind the boys, while virtually every university fields a women's
We call K-12 "pubic education" but in reality it's "government
education."College and professional sports actually are the
entertainment industry, with one feeding into the other.International athletic competition is not merely a competition between and
among athletes and the nutritional and health advantages of athletes. It is also
a competition between and among the various governments that intervene in one
way or another, for good or bad, in the systems that feed athletes into that
international competition.The Olympics may well be as much a
competition between and among the governments as between and among the athletes.
OOPS! Earlier I said if you took away all the medals won by USA women, the USA
men still did better than all but six countries, men and women combined, in
medals won.Upon further investigation I've discovered the USA
men did better than all but THREE countries, men and women combined, in medals
won.Personally speaking, I believe Title IX could use some reform,
especially in Prong #1 of its compliance rule, but PLEASE let's not
overlook how wonderful both the USA men and women did in this year's
Olympics. I've already cited some examples of the men
performing above the normal and I could sit more if you like.
Uh, football's a loss leader for most college athletic departments. And
last I checked, football is played with 11 guys on the field at the time. Cut
football scholarships to 40, and lots more scholarship would be freed up for
I agree with cougarnate. Football should be exempt, because other than
men's basketball, is the only sport to actually support itself.
Here's an idea... If the sport at a university can't sustain itself
at say 75%, then it should be placed at a club level and no state money,
including raiding the football program, is used. Give the scholarships to
people that academically deserve them instead of someone who can kick a little
ball into a net but only 150 pay to attend and watch.
Thank you for writing this article. It points out all the fallacy of trying to
make things"equal". Sorry, but I fail to find any interest in
women behaving like men, and involved in sports that just masculinize
them. The woman's movement has done just that along with the killing
of hundred of thousands of others of their own sex by abortion.
"You've come a long wayBaby!"
Speaking from my corner of manhood, we'll get over it.
Seriously, another article written by Doug Robinson about how unfair life is for
all these poor male athletes?? Really? Boo Hoo! Cry me a river. I'm more
than a little tired of reading how unfair life is for men, pa-lease!!!
Apparently it's ok when the cards are stacked against the girls, but how
dare the boys ever have a program cut. I have two kids, one boy, one girl who
have both EARNED college athletic scholarships!! Please don't insult my
daughter and her years of hard work by saying that it was somehow handed to her.
Trust me she worked just as hard as her brother to get where she is. As stated
above, 100 football scholarships is beyond ridiculous, so please quit with that
argument. Also, Mr Robinson, please know what your writing about, unlike what
your article states, gymnastics IS a team sport, and yes our girls brought home
the gold. Also, the soccer argument is beyond crazy! Men have major league
soccer yet have struggled since way before title IX, woman on the other hand are
constantly competitive, yet have to hope for pick up games for practice. Give
me a break!!
From my experience this article is spot on. I wrestled for the University of
Connecticut from '74-'76. After completing a two year mission for the
Church I returned to find the wrestling programs cut from every New England
college campus. My only form of retribution and solace is refusing to give them
any money until they have a varsity wrestling program once more. (I'm not
holding my breath!) In my book Title IX is a four letter word. There has to be
a better way to increase women sports programs without destroying those for the
Typical sexist. Marginalizing women because men don't get to rule the