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GOP ticket: Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney names Paul Ryan his No. 2

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  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 7:06 a.m.

    And with this decision, the Romney campaign is now well and truly toast. Ryan Is a weak dog whistle to the GOP's base, but an even bigger rallying cry to the opposition.

    BTW, will Ryan release any of _his_ tax returns?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    Bad news is released late Friday afternoon so it doesn't get much coverage and is forgotten by the time the Monday news cycle begins. Is that the strategy of the Romeny camp? I guess it will be a topic on the Sunday morning talk shows.

  • rmk South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    could he have chosen a more extreme person. These guys just don't get it. Sara now Paul. It is just amazing how a small percentage of people like the tea baggers can take over a party when so few people vote. It must be time to vote for someone in another party.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    One more reason to vote against Mitt.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 11, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    Na na na na na na na na hey, hey, hey goodbye.

    Way to swing it to the far right side of the fence Mitt. Why not pick Limbaugh or Hannity as secretary of state? Right now the White House is celebrating like NASA did last week when they landed on Mars. This ticket is even worse than Bush/ Chenny and I never believed that could be possible.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    Ryan's selection just gave President Obama his reelection. Ryan is a slash and burn Republican. Jeez. 4 more years of the current Presidency will take us even further down the wrong road. Why not Condoleeza Rice? Jeez.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Mitt Romney, the Romney campaign, and the Republican party have unusually irrational thought processes.
    Unless, Paul Ryan is going to be THE Presidential nominee.....
    Will Bain disaster, foreign tax shelters, and missing tax returns now simply disappear?
    Will Ryan do all the talking from this time forward, so Romney can remain gaffe free?
    Word's out that no longer will anyone question Romney's "questionable" issues.
    Never has that happened before in America's political history, and Romney isn't magical enough to swing it now.
    The Romney campaign spirals down, down, down.........

  • GK Willington SLC, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Interesting. 2 alleged economic gurus? The Dems are now the party of foreign policy & national security?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Wow, the Obama apologists are quick to start their spin.

    Recall that Obama announced his selection of noted plagiarist and all around genius Joe Biden on a Saturday, so the timing issue is specious.

    Paul Ryan is a great choice who brings keen insight and bold vision to getting our budget problems fixed. He alone has made actual specific proposals on how to do this, making the tough choices to save essential programs. Meanwhile, the Democrat controlled Senate has not even voted on a budget in over 3 years (despite legal requirement to pass one) and Obama's budgets are deceptive smoke and mirrors gimmicks that have run up more debt in three years and the first 42 Presidents combined. (And Obama's last budget did not get a single vote from any Republican OR Democrat, confirming its total absurdity.)

    Liberals may want to continue spending until we totally collapse and pretend it is someone else's fault, but Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney want to save our country by tackling the problems, not pretending they don't exist.

    Good choice, Mitt!

    Romney-Ryan 2012. Saving America for our children.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    I've listened to Ryan alot - he is no doubt one of the smartest economic minds in congress. Ryan does understand our debt crisis and the fast approaching doomsday - economically speaking - as Obama and his radicals continue to propel America toward an economic death sentence. When you listen to Ryan you quickly get the sense that this guy is all substance and little if any politics. However here is the problem - the majority of America (over 50%) is too ignorant to care. Over 50% of this country is made up of ignorant, entitlement bound people that know more about MTV and the latest Facebook chatter nonsense than they do anything substantive about the wreck of an economy we currently have. America still has great , patriotic , informed, educated people ... they just aren't in the majority any more. Romney and Ryan would most definitely fix America's economic nightmare and turn the engine of capitalism back on for ALL OF US however I highly doubt that there are enough informed people left to even recognize the clear and present danger we face with Obama. I fear America will re-elect Obama and become Greece .. in less than 4 years time.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    I'm ecstatic that he picked Ryan because it gives the American people a clear choice. You can choose a Government that gives you a handout or a Government that gives you a hand up. A Government of identity politics and negativity or positive leadership that gives America a chance of making another comeback - even though the challenges are incredible.
    Vote for the status quo and continued decline or vote for a chance of prosperity for our children and grandchildren.
    Vote for liberty or vote for tyranny. Let's see the American people make their choice.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    "Liberals may want to continue spending until we totally collapse and pretend it is someone else's fault, but Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney want to save our country by tackling the problems, not pretending they don't exist."

    Great sounding rhetoric, but not a single Republican who has led this country has done anything but increase the deficit. Why anyone would believe this time they really mean it, I don't know. When it comes to closing Hill Air Force Base, do you think the Utah delegation will be voting to support that? When it comes to slashing highway funds to Utah, you don't think there will be opposition to that? And when they ask to raise the age of retirement into the 70s, how many elected officials do you think will actually be in the front of the like for that?

    I do like that we finally have someone running on the conservative side that has a stated plan. Now we have something we can discuss, debate and decide on. And that in of itself is progress.

    Perhaps the Republican ticket is upside down.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber. The debt incurred under this administration is not more than the previous presidents combined.

    Second, republicans scream about debt but our monetary system is debt based. A quick read on Modern Money Mechanics will prove that.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    To: I Bleed Blue. Just a few points:

    1. If Bush Cheney were so bad what does that say about Gore Liebermann in 2000 and Kerry Edwards in 2004. Both Democratic teams lost!

    3. Romney Moderately Conservative, Ryan Conservative.

    Romney Ryan: A Team to FIX AMERICA's Economy!

    Obama Biden: Legacy: Hungry Children, A Rising Poor Class, Historic Levels of Food Stamp Usage!

    Thousands of men mull around the Salvation Army Center in Los Angeles. They are Obama's constituents. Obama avoids them everytime he comes to Los Angeles. Obama just drives right by!

    The President hides from the problems. The President hides behind a SOLD OUT MEDIA and has failed to lead.

    Name Calling Romney and Ryan solves nothing! Bad mouthing Romney and Ryan solves nothing! The President is the one who has failed!

    25 Million unemployed
    47.7 million on Food Stamps
    16% of Americans in Poverty
    16 Trillion in debt
    1.2 Trillion in added debt this year.
    253,000 Small Business Closed down in 4 years!

    VP Biden Says the United States is in Recession(ABC NEWS 6-27-12)

    This Nation Needs Leadership! Obama is not a leader! He is a Proven Failure!

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    to DN Subscriber 8:32 a.m. Aug. 11, 2012

    I want what's best for y country. That is NOT Mitt or Paul, who care only for the top 1% nd to heck withf everyone else (just look at their fiscal proposals if you doubt that). Your last sentence SHOULD say: Romney-Ryan 2012. Eviscerating and ruining America for our children (unless they're mega-wealthy, of course).

    BTW -- I don't support the President for re-election either. As I have said before, I a voting for my dog.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Romney introduced Paul Ryan as "the next President of the United States".
    Wasn't this a very important event? Hadn't Romney thought about this moment for some time?
    Does someone who is running for the top office in the world...............

  • Remay1 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    Excellent pick! Romney has gained much credibility with conservatives and in the bargain has gained someone who understands that the budget is important and can't be ignored. Of course Obama will brand him as extreme, but he would have bashed whomever Romney picked. Good job Mr. Romney!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    @Patriot. The fifty percent of people you speak are mostly republicans in this state. Most die hard republicans I know do not pay a dime in federal taxes and usually get thousands back. They are anti tax and pro refund but want all of the services.

  • basket case South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    @Furry1993

    If you don't support either candidate, you are part of the problem. A no vote is essentially a vote for obama.

    @EJM "Why not Condoleeza Rice? Jeez." Condoleeza Rice is not a conservative, that's why.

    @RedCorevette-"Perhaps you should recall that Obama and Biden are already in the White House. They may be hucksters, but they are good politicians, something that Romney is apparently not."

    Good politicians? More like an embarrassment of epic proportions. At least with Romney/Ryan I won't have to witness any bowing and apologizing for our country. Why would you say Romney is not a good politician?

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Maybe Romney will actually be able to give us some specifics on an economic plan now. So far it has been predictable pandering rhetoric with little detail.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    No Fit~
    Obama did the exact same thing four years ago when introducing Joe Biden.

  • dsk par, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    The fact is Romney needed to have a running mate that could energize the minorities on the fence. Saying he now has the conservative vote is like saying Obama now has the liberal vote. Romney already had the conservative vote, they weren't going to vote for Obama. Now the conservatives will have to swallow 4 more years of Liberal policy. Good job Tea Party, time for the party to be over. Oh wait we just heard it is. Better luck in four years. Unfortunately, too many voters will vote against the Republican ticket because it is two white guys who cant connect to the rest of our country. Obama might drive by the people at the Salvation army, but how many politicians make unscheduled visits to people on the street. Race is still a dividing point in this country, and if the minority vote doesn't feel represented good luck being elected. All Obama has to point out is that this ticket represent those in Washington who wont allow anything to get done. Two rich whites guys.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    Funny that the first nine posts are anti-Ryan. THAT is exactly why this is a great pick. Paul Ryan is going to force the attention back on the skyrocketing federal debt and the economy. Do you Obama supporters REALLY want to talk about the economy?

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    To: No Fit in SG:

    What a short memory you have! Obama made the same mistake! You attack Romney on that? How about attacking the President for all of his errors?

    Deficit Spending, Building the Debt, Paying Off key supporters with stimulas money to BANKRUPT companies the President picked, failing to pass 36 House Bills that would help the Economy, Create Jobs, Reduce Regulations and so much more!

    Are you aware that 1/3 of all regulation ever created in this country has been done in the past 4 years? That is what is killing growth! That and Spending beyond belief!

    In 2008 the National budget was 3 Trillion dollars, now its 4.2 Trillion and has been up to 4.6 Trillion. What does it all need to be spent on all of a sudden? 4 years of an additional increase to the debt of 5.6 Trillion dollars.

    The fact of this election is this: The President has failed and the Republican Ticket has the Economic Muster to fix the Economy now which will allow for the needs of America to be met!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    I also can't help but wonder how people continue to think the Tea Party is going to seal Romney's doom in this election. This is the same group that helped the GOP crush the Democrats in 2010. It wasn't even close. The lefties posting here sound scared. In Paul Ryan, Romney has a conservative who electrifies the base like Sarah Palin, but one who is incredibly articulate and bold. Sarah Palin helped John McCain with conservatives because she is a good person. She hurt him with everyone else because she wasn't a good politician. Paul Ryan is going to be deadly in a debate with Biden! Logic and common sense is like Kyrptonite to liberals.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    Blue, I Bleed Blue, EJM, no fit in SG, Red Corvette,

    I mean no disrespect to any of you, but none of you are fooling anyone but yourselves.

    Every VP choice results in a group of people (largely those already not in agreement with the candidate) proclaiming "burn baby burn". Depending on the media or conversations you subscribe to, we generally only hear what we want to hear. Please understand that I am not insulting any of you or your intelligence. It's easy to rile up in the heat of political vigor, but the truth is that unless you want to call yourself some sort of prophet, fortune teller, or God then no one here can really say 'fail' with any degree of reason or logic.

    We are all intelligent enough to know this, and DN Subscriber pegged it perfectly, plain, and simple- it's called spin!

    The most effective way to communicate, debate, etc. is by examining all information and all possibilities. Being blind to another agenda's plausibility or possible eventuality is irrational and to put it bluntly, it's more than a bit close-minded.

    No offense (seriously), but calling the election now is ridiculous.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    "Do you Obama supporters REALLY want to talk about the economy?"

    Love to!

    How has the Dow done in the past four years?

    How are corporate profits doing?

    What impact has the Bush tax cuts had on the deficit? How about the economic cost of the wars?

    What has been the trend in middle class buying power during Republican vs Democratic administrations during the last 50 years?

    Chart the unemployment rate from 2009 to now. Chart it next to the magnitude of the recession that began in 2008.

    By all means, YES, let's talk about the economy!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    The choice is more clear now than ever. Romney/Ryan stand for helping the wealthy and the powerful, not the middle class or the weakest of our nation. As a Christian and a Mormon, I cannot support them.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Emajor,

    You'd rather Romney just spout numbers that the vast majority of Americans wouldn't even understand? Even if they did, since when does every last person agree on what's effective?

    Elections are a debate ground for principles, not specifics, and for good reason. Obama is no more specific than Romney and is just as much a catch phrase politician. Instead of saying "We've already tried that top-down approach", he should give actual specifics in his next commercial, less you admit that Obama is no better with giving more precise plans.

    Even if Romney somehow were a bad money manager (even though he's proven the opposite), I'd rather trust a capitalist with a bad plan than Obama with a great one.

    People say "Everyone should have healthcare" like it's the 'morally right choice'. The moral choice is letting people choose for themselves, not destroying agency. I don't believe everyone should get into heaven. I don't believe people who intentionally stab themselves or refuse to work should get a heart transplant before a child or a hardworking breadwinner with dependents.

    I ask- why won't Obama address socialism's proven weaknesses?

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    @Blue

    8.3% unemployment. 1.5% GDP growth. Who do you think you are kidding? People who are out of work KNOW they are out of work. When Bush did his tax cuts, it was early in his term. The unemployment rate was 5.5% average for all 8 years of Bush. It wasn't the tax cuts, it was the housing bubble. But Bush isn't the president anymore. Barack 'it's not my fault' Obama is. And it's getting old.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

    I'm just splitting my sides reading all the boo-birds and nay-sayers comments. What a hoot!

    We need R & R.

    We don't need Obama and what's his name....the guy who balances Obama's great oratory by bringing us all back to earth in just a sentence or two....(rhymes with "hidin..").

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    Gov. Romney has trouble relating to the average American. Paul Ryan's goal seems to be that anything the average American now depends on won't be there in the future. It's clear the average American is the loser with this choice.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    Let the debate begin!

    Ryan thinks Social Security is a “ponzi scheme," agreeing with Rick Perry’s characterization of Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme” and since 2005 has advocated for privatizing the retirement benefit and investing it in stocks and bonds.

    Ryan’s budget would result in 4.1 million lost jobs in 2 years. Ryan’s budget calls for massive reductions in government spending. He has proposed cutting discretionary programs by about $120 billion over the next two years and mandatory programs by $284 billion, which, the Economic Policy Institute estimates, would suck demand out of the economy and “reduce employment by 1.3 million jobs in fiscal 2013 and 2.8 million jobs in fiscal 2014, relative to current budget policies.”

    Ryan wants to eliminate Pell Grants for more more than 1 million students.

    Ryan supports $40 billion in subsides for big oil.

    Ryan believes that Romneycare is “not that dissimilar to Obamacare.

    Ryan co-sponsored a “personhood” amendment, which declares that a fertilized egg “shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    This country will have so many blessings, even rich blessings, when these two are elected. I can't wait to pay more in taxes so the Koch Brothers can keep their billions.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    This is a blessing for everyone really. This effectively guarantees we won't have to be up late on election night waiting for results from Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, Ohio, Wisonsin to find out who the next President is. With this decision, Florida has just moved from Toss-Up/Lean Obama to Likely Obama, and thus, this election will be over before polls are even closed out West.

    Mitt just doesn't get it. All he's done is 1)Ended his own chances for President, and 2)Given a guy who will be running in 2016 a platform to push his own agenda and campaign at Mitt's expense.

  • leonard Oakley, ID
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    Go Romney and Ryan

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    Hey we're giddy. Paul Ryan was even #1 on The Blaze's list of people Romney shouldn't pick for VP.

    @patriot
    The budget deficit would be lower next year if we do absolutely nothing and let everything scheduled for Jan 1 take effect than if we were to use the Ryan plan. People aren't ignorant especially the 45-54 year old demographic who doesn't like what Ryan tried to do with Medicare. I already know at least one leans-conservative two-time bush voter who will be voting for Obama and the Ryan pick clinched it.

    @red state pride
    I like it too, we need a clear display about what conservatives really want to do and when people understand that, Obama will win.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    I think this pick was a "hail Mary" to appease the Republican base after the "gaff" by a campaign spokeswoman touting Romneycare.

    But, to win in a general election usually one has to move to the center. Ryan is not a move to the center. My guess is, once the policy debate becomes the centerpiece, Romney will lose the "middle" as did John McCain when he selected Sarah Palin.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    This is great! Ryan is loco man. He puts it out there. He'll do what the Tea Party has been thinking all these years.

    I'm buying bullets, not to use them, they are just going to quadruple in price either way in November. Mitt and Ryan will either start a war, or if they loose, the Tea party is going to completly loose thier bannanas with doomsday predictions.

    I'm stocking up. I'll be rich!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    @A1994
    Senator Angle? Senator O'Donnell? The only reason the Democrats have the senate is because the tea party nominated loons in some of the states. Meanwhile Indiana is now in play because the tea party kicked out Lugar, Missouri elected the one who does worst head to head aggainst McCaskill and wisconsin is about to not vote for Thompson.

    Nobody is saying the bush tax cuts caused the recession... just that they've had no substantively good impact seeing as the 2000s were the decade with the worst job creation.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    At least the U.S. Representative for Wisconsin knows how to spell budget and get it passed through the United States House of Representatives. Is everything perfect? Probably not but it is a valid attempt at doing something for our country. Instead, the President has a blank checkbook and writes checks without a signature, at will. We are now left with $5-6 trillion of new debt since the President took office. He should have done something in the past 1000 plus days. He should have had a Secretary of the Treasury that paid taxes and could be trusted. Neither the President or the Treasurer know how to run a business and the government at all levels that get federal funding should be run by a President and Treasurer that know that a lot of hard working people cannot keep on doling more money everyday to a government that doesn't become solvent. The President just wants to keep handing out more money for losing causes. He waited for the drought to get worse in the summer before he now states he wants to help. Farmers as about the most conservative of any group and right before the DNC convention.

  • cmbennett1 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    Pandering to the Tea Party.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    This is a great pick. Conservatives like it, because Paul Ryan is REALLY conservative. And liberals like it, because Paul Ryan essentially guarantees us four more years.
    Seriously, though, Ryan's a smart guy, and a policy guy, and this means we'll really have a genuine discussion about economics in this election. That's all to the good.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 1:00 p.m.

    Apparently Obama made the same mistake of announcing Biden as the next President, but even worse he had the idea that he could be President. Romney - Ryan sounds like a great combination, plus
    the fact that Romney isn't threaten by having intelligent and capable people around him.
    That beat the 'the woman behind the curtain' in the White House calling the shots for Obama.

  • cmbennett1 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    Actually the second in command of a naval vessel, particularly in the British Royal Navy, is referred to as Number One, not number two.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 11, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    This is a choice that seems aimed at energizing the Republican Base. Unfortunately it may also energize the Democratic Base as well.

    What I like about Ryan is that he doesn't try to be on both sides of every issue at the same time as the guy at the top of ticket is wont to do. I think this will bring about an honest debate about the economy.

    Since Joe Biden also seems to have a reputation for saying what he thinks, maybe we can let Obama and Romney take a breather and let the VPs debate. I would certainly buy a ticket to that.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 11, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Don17... none of those numbers you continually present mean a dang thing when they are not presented in any kind of context. It is like saying over 1 billion burgers sold..... so what. Is that big, small, increasing, staying the same.... what?

    Here is the fact you need to present... and it bodes ill for both Bush and Obama. Our national debt has risen from about 50% of GDP to over 100" of GDP. Most european nations (those not in like Spain and Greece) run at about 80% of GDP. We have a government that costs us more, but provides us less in services. In Europe, they have varying forms of universal health care... and it cost about 30% less than out system. They offer mass transit systems that easily dwarf our own, and yet each tax payer pays less.

    We have huge problems with our government.... it is we are not getting value for what we spend. Lets get this argument out of the polarized corners and back into real pragmatic solutions that both parties could live with.

    Ryan isn't that guy. He is as partisan as surely as the moon will rise tonight. No one be fooled.

  • trekker Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    he should have chosen a minority, or woman or both like condoleeza rice. that would have been a better move politically, i have never heard of this guy. Colin Powell would be a better choice too, or Conservative Dr. William "Bill" Cosby.

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Aug. 11, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    Wow, Romney picked Ryan as his running mate, no big deal. Check the dutys of the Vice President, there are not many. It is a dead end office unless the President dies, in the mean time the VP just gets rolled out to do a little spin in bad situations and to attend important funerals. Unless like President Bush you turn the presidency over to the VP like he did with Dick Cheney there is not much to the office unless the President dies. Unless Ryan becomes another Sarah Palin and entertains the counrty he like her is just another talking head with out any power.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    @SLMG
    " It is a dead end office unless the President dies,"

    Well gee, that's rather important, wouldn't you think? This pick shows that Romney, despite his running away from it today, the principles of the Ryan budget that primarily puts the onus of deficit reduction (not balancing, their plans are nowhere near a balanced budget) on the poor and elderly while increasing defense spending and tax cuts for the rich while getting rid of key tax credits used by people at the bottom like the child tax credit.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Aug. 11, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    To:Utah Blue Devil:

    Appreciate your comments! As you know 200 words doesn't allow for alot of depth and discussion on any particular point. I will state though, that in the hundreds of posts I have sent to the DN, your points have been discussed at varying times. Though we may not agree on alot of points I am one who looks forward to reading your posts! Go Duke!

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    Someone said Ryan prefers to give people a "hand up" rather than a "hand out".

    You mean such as public education, student loans at the same loan rates that banks get, or unemployment benefits and job training when your job is shipped overseas?

    Are the handouts going to no bid contracts again when Mitt starts a war on Iran?

    A republican vote is a vote for war.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    If Paul Ryan is Romney's No. 2, who does he trust more as his No. 1?

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    Aug. 11, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    @JWB

    Small point, but the US Treasurer and the US Treasury Secretary are two different people. I assume you meant the Treasury Secretary, but your post is not clear. The Treasurer decides what our money looks like; the Treasury Secretary manages all fiscal policy for the US Government.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    To basket case 9:30 a.m. Aug. 11, 2012

    @Furry1993

    If you don't support either candidate, you are part of the problem. A no vote is essentially a vote for obama.

    -------------------------------

    Please tell me why I should vote for a candidate I deem to be unqualified, incompetent, unethical, and a detrmient/disaster to the United States and its people. That's what I think about BOTH the President and Mitt. I am too ethical, and care too much for my country, to vote for either of them. That's why I will vote for my border collie -- at least she's an honorable being.

    - - - - - - - - -

    Good politicians? More like an embarrassment of epic proportions. At least with Romney/Ryan I won't have to witness any bowing and apologizing for our country. Why would you say Romney is not a good politician?

    ---------------------

    Which Romney? He changes every time he turns around. If you don't like him now, wait 5 minutes -- you might like him then. He's just one more mendacious, unethical politician -- no better than any other. Flip. Flop. Flip. Flop.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    @atl134

    You named two Senate seats the GOP lost in 2010. What about the 63 House seats they won? 63!!! It was the worst midterm loss since 1938! The Democrats should be afraid of Ryan, not trying to marginalize him. This isn't a Sarah Palin pick. This guy is well read and articulate and has done something the Senate has failed to do in three years and that is produce a federal budget plan. THREE YEARS!!! (Which, incidentally is how long the unemployment rate has been above 8%.)

    Please no more 'Baghdad Bob' excuses and explanations for this administration and economy. The evidence is overwhelming. Romney/Ryan is the most qualified ticket for the White House in decades.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 6:31 p.m.

    @A1994

    The Democrats are in no way going to "marginalize" Ryan. The fact is, even if he hadn't have been the pick for VP, the Democrats were already pinning his disaster of a budget proposal on Mitt and the entire Republican party. Trust me, Paul Ryan will now become the more focal point of this election for the next few weeks. He will be all the Obama campaign talks about. His policy ideas are OVERWHELMINGLY unpopoular in any poll you can conjure.

    A complete dismantling of the Medicare system, turning it into a private voucher system. Which incidentally, will work extremely well for insurance companies if accompanied by a President Romney throwing out "Obamacare." Do you think elderly Americans, who are typically already dealing with health issues/numerous prescriptions, will be able to find a reasonably priced insurance policy when insurance companies are no longer required to accept pre-existing conditions!

    But it's easy to see what Mitt is doing. He'll be voting for Ryan in 2016. Afterall, Ryan wants to eliminate ALL Capital Gains taxes, which account for almost 10% on average of total federal tax revenue. Mitt would be paying 0% efficitve tax rate!

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 6:54 p.m.

    "...The unemployment rate was 5.5% average for all 8 years of Bush...".

    President Bush did not hand-off the average unemployment rate to President Obama, President Bush left President Obama with an economy that was cratering.

    From December 2007 when the recession started to December 2008, an additional 3.6 million people became unemployed.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    doesn't matter - Even Ronald Reagan couldn't win with the 2012 voting public in this country. People don't know the issues and they don't care either. Obama promises free lunch to all and people are dumb enough to buy it. America is toast!!!

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:41 p.m.

    I just saw a conference by the Migration Policy Institute on Obama's executive amnesty. Doris Meissner says 58% who who can apply are already working. Assurances were made that criminal employers will not be targeted when the illegals report that they have been working. Same for the other illegal family members. The felonies of lying on an I-9 form, tax evasion, identity theft are all waived if you're illegal. It would send a citizen to jail. The web of crimes Obama is giving a pass for just keeps metastasizing.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    LetsDebate,

    Probably either God or Ann Romney, which would be a good thing in either case.

    Consider-

    "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams

    When men and women fulfil their marital responsibilities, it fosters more than a popular or arbitrary social contract; it builds a sacred union not to be trifled with. Ideally, a man relies on his wife for moral, familiar, physical, and psychological support- as his wife also relies on him for such. Without women and our religious convictions, our passions most certainly might run wild and unrestrained. If a single man (never married) ran for president, I wouldn't vote for him based on that single factor alone. Any married person ought to understand that logic. I wouldn't vote for someone who hadn't had children either. A person's intelligence does not alone qualify an ability to govern. 1 Timothy, chapter 3 qualifies the Bishop by the order in his house.

    I wouldn't want the VP to be #1

  • DougH2 Lithonia, GA
    Aug. 13, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    Ryan isn't just part of the problem he is the problem.

    Elected in '98.
    Belonged to the Repub caucus during the 2001-2007 run: Bush, Repub Senate, Repub House
    Took US from $237,000,000,000 surplus in 2001 budget to $260,000,000 deficit in 2006 budget. Bush only vetoed 1 bill during that stretch. That's a 1/2 trillion dollar swing from surplus to debt/
    Ryan voted in lockstep for all the tax cuts and all the spending from 2001-2008.
    Ryan walked away from the compromise and allowed America to lose its AAA credit rating for the first time in our history.
    Ryan wrote his voodoo economic plan down and will now have to defend it along with his boss.

    Ryan is toast.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 14, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Ryan isn't a politician - he is actually the smartest guy in the room in any discussion regarding economics. Ryan is the real deal - a man that really knows budgets and economies as opposed to the Obama ticket that is nothing but a bunch of empty suits. Does America want a shallow politician or do they want a team of "Economic engineers" that can really fix this mess? My guess is - people will elect the shallow socialists. Sad era for this country indeed.