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In our opinion: Obama's attack on Romney's whereabouts nothing more than partisan politics

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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2012 12:19 a.m.

    "retaining a title and remaining a shareholder in an organization is entirely appropriate, even when you step away from day-to-day operations"

    The SEC filings show that Romney was the CEO and "sole shareholder" of Bain. That's quite different from what you describe.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 26, 2012 4:20 a.m.

    Romney has been deceitful, but I guess in your partisanship, ethics go out the window.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    July 26, 2012 7:17 a.m.

    Of course he was working on the Olympics. That's not the issue.

    The issue is was Romney profiting from Bain when the company was pioneering the off-shoring of jobs. Again, this is all legal and appropriate for business to shun American workers for profit. We're told by business schools that this is the appropriate role of businesses and "job creators."

    The issue is will Americans in mass tolerate an American President who has dodged taxes and shipped jobs overseas. I think not.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 26, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Let me just add to the above that DN the issue is not wheter Romneys' wealth. It's how he got it and what he's done with it. It's also not whether what he has done is legal (although, even some of his own advisors admit that some of his actions have just never been tested). The question is first of all are his actions those of someone "who knows how to create jobs", or are they just the actions of someone who knows how to create wealth..for himself? Secondly the question is do the American people who by in large make wages and pay taxes on those wages, want a President who touts a love for country and American excetionalism yet engages the laws of numerous foreign countries to avoid paying taxes..the very monies needed to run the country he loves, and enrich himself personally?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    Just in... Romney's man answered this question "He retired in 2002 retroactive to 1999."
    No kidding, this is his newest excuse.

    Obama doesn't have to make up lies, Romney is
    incapable of owning up to anything he's ever done,
    Egotistical, Extreme wealth, and No permanent stance on anything,
    makes him a hard "horse" to back.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    First Romney TV ad blasts Obama - Mercedes White - Deseret news - 11/22/11

    Critics say the ad uses some of the Obama clips out of context, especially when the president says "If we keep talking about the economy, we are going to lose." It appears that in that instance, Obama was quoting an aide to then-2008 opponent Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who had used those words anonymously in an interview.

    That might be beside the point though because....

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    July 26, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    The accusation that Romney committed a felony is rhetorical. The point is to emphasize that while Romney was working on the Olympics, he was in fact still the CEO of Bain (Does anybody think his tax returns would show that Bain didn't pay Romney those years?).

    Even if he didn't personally orchestrate the outsourcing that Bain implemented, he profited from it. Surely the decisions his subordinates made were the ones they thought Romney would have made he been running things day-to-day. Since he was in fact the CEO, he ought to take responsibility for what his company did. Romney’s failure to do so is the preceding cynical exercise in partisan politics.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    When Romney ran for governor he was challenged about not living in the state and thus not being a legal resident. This would have disqualified him from being governor. He testified under oath, that, while running the Olympics, he frequently returned to Mass. to attend board meetings. The ones he was not able to attend in person, he attended via conference call. Even his campaign says that he retired in 2002, retroactive to 1999.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 26, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Deseret News:
    "The president has claimed that Romney either lied to the SEC, which would constitute a felony, or that he really was still working for Bain during those critical three years."

    Did Obama say that? Or did someone on his campaign staff say that?

    Fact:
    Stephanie Cutter (deputy campaign manager)
    “Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony, "Or, he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments,” including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.

    To Deseret News,
    Maybe you should report it accurately when you are calling someone to task for misrepresentation.

    We can then debate to what extent people are responsible for the words/deeds/business decisions when they hold a position of authority.

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 26, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    Rarely are campaign attacks other than partisan politics. Nobody exemplifies this better than the Romney campaign. Romney might be well ahead in the polls had his campaign gone with counter-intuitive honesty: the financial crisis and recession was such that all presidential action was doomed to disappointment or failure (with the possible exception of a larger stimulus and a bipartisan congress more interested in America than partisan politics); that the recession was doomed to as long and as bad as it has regardless; and that Romney has no experience creating the demand and the spending that drives job growth. And that political honesty, like all honesty, is a moral issue.

    For some reason, transparent political dishonesty wears worse on some people than others. The Republican candidate should be well ahead in the polls even now and a slam dunk in November.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 26, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    "The president has claimed that Romney either lied to the SEC, which would constitute a felony, or that he really was still working for Bain during those critical three years."

    Did Obama say that? Or did someone on his campaign staff say that?

    Fact:
    Stephanie Cutter (deputy campaign manager)
    “Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony, "Or, he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments,” including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.

    To Deseret News,
    Maybe you should report it accurately when you are calling someone to task for misrepresentation.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 26, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    The real issue here is whether Mitt had a hand in running Bain during the the years 1999 to 2002. In some circles Mitt has gained a reputation for playing fast and loose with the facts. Obama is playing on this perception by pointing out factual discrepancies in Romney's narrative, and it is up to the voting public to decide if these details are important.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    Re Truthseeker are you really suggesting that the President is not responsible for the accusations of his Deputy Campaign Manager? Romney relinquished day to day operational control of Bain in 1999. He made money off of Bain operations after that, and to promote and provide a transition period for the Company he retain majority share control and title through 2002. He did not violate laws, but he did maneuver around laws to accomplish his objectives. So, he was not directly in charge of the decisions to out source the jobs, but did profit to extent the decisions were profitably from the Bain out sourcing decisions. Making this an issue shows those making the accusations(this Administration and some posting hereon) either cynicism and complete partisanship in the vain attempt to retain power or the complete naivety of how business works. Appropriate outsourcing preserves companies to continue to pay taxes, preserves and adds jobs that are competitive to be performed in the US, and allows the Company to be profitable against the open market competition from all over the world that is allowed in this country, which reduces the price of goods and services that Americans buy.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    Yes, we all understand. The Deseret News supports Romney. We get it.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 26, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    Stephanie Cutter speaking with Wolf Blitzer:

    “we’re not accusing Mitt Romney of committing a crime here; we’re actually saying that he’s misrepresenting his time at Bain to the American people.” She cited reports from independent news sources showing Romney received a salary and appeared in promotional materials for Bain during a time he has described as being his leave of absence from the company. His explanation, she added, simply “doesn’t add up.”

    The Boston Herald on February 12, 1999 reported, "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions." A Bain press release issued on July 19, 1999, noted that Romney was "currently on a part-time leave of absence"—and quoted Romney speaking for Bain Capital.

    So which Romney statement is accurate? Did he "retire" from Bain in 1999 or was it a part-time leave of absence?

    Since the Romney campaign and Bain have declined to provide documentary materials that could shed light on the extent of Romney's role after 1999, we are left with Romney and Bain's contradictory statements.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 26, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    So VST, 80,000 jobs is a "mere" and Keyensian economics is a grand experiement. Just how have the countries done that tried cost cutting and deficit reduction alone..headline yesterday..England has slipped back into a worse recession than first thought. That means no economic growth, and no jobs. We look pretty good and quite brilliant compared to a second recession.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 26, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    I have to laugh here. People are complaining about Romney making money when his company sent jobs overseas, yet I would imagine that many of those same complainers are invested in mutual funds which have stocks in foreign companies. Why is it ok for you liberals to make money while shipping jobs overseas, yet it isn't ok for Romney?

    Also, why are you not complaining that Obama used stimulus funds on many companies that outsourced jobs overseas? You only complain about Romney doing this, yet are silent on Obama?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 26, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    "Let's assess. So far on his three-nation tour, Romney has taken heat for criticizing Britain's ability to host the games, scheduling posh fundraisers with Barclays executives tied to the LIBOR interest-rate fixing scandal, and for a racist boast made by an adviser that Romney shares more of an "Anglo-Saxon heritage" with Great Britain than does President Obama. Do you think this trip will prove Romney has the foreign policy chops to be president?"

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    The issue is not so much where Romney was during the Olympics but rather how can Romney, in light of conflicting documentation, support his statements where he wasn't during 1999 to 2002. If Romney had no responsibilities where is the paper work to show who was the new or acting CEO of Bain and the acting Chairman of the Board. Where is the tax returns to show exactly what his salary and or other earnings from Bain. Failure to provide full disclosure allow negative perceptions to grow.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 26, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    In your eagerness to promote Mitt Romney's candidacy you seem to have forgotten that most of the work on the Olympics was done by Tom Welch and Dave Johnson whose criminal charges were thrown out of court. Isn't it time to quit dragging their hard work through the mud with careless characterization of their work as a "mess of corruption?" They were exonerated.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    @Roland.. you're starting to sound like a "birther". Panic setting in I guess. This whole topic is just funny. How many private sector investments has Romney made? Numerous. What was the President's only major private sector investment? Oh yeah- when he purchased his home in Chicago bleow market value with the help of convicted felon Tony Rezko. Nice. And we're discussing whether Mitt Romney was actually running "the evil Bain capital" during the SLC Winter Olympics and whether or not he's a felon. How low can we go?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 26, 2012 10:52 p.m.

    VST, and where did I say you said we should cut costs. What I said was the Keyensian tactics of stimulus did in fact work compared to the countries that tried austarity. Even zero growth is not a recession..England is in a second recession after forsaking Keyensian stimulus and are now going back to it. Fact is there is much wrong with our economy and a keyensian stimulus will not fix what is wrong..nor will incenting companies. Seys law of build it and they will come was long ago discredited. We have a demand problem not a supply problem. Until we can fix demand we will not pull out of this crisis. Stimuls doesn't fix demand it shores it up until a fix can be effected. Enter the Republicans who will block any..any..any attempt at long term solutions.
    Summary; stimulus doesn't fix it shores up business incentives do nothing.

  • UT Brit London, England
    July 27, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    Well if Romney gets elected I hope he works on his foreign relations. On his visit to the UK he has managed to offend the entire nation with his comments about the Olympics. Every single paper and news site here are attacking him, even the right wing ones. He has of course back tracked on his earlier comments. I thought our politicians were bad....

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 27, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    Politics is partisan by definition.

  • Salsero Provo, UT
    July 27, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    Thank goodness that the Republican Party strategists decided to vilify and de-legitimize Barack Obama before he was sworn-in as President of the United States. They decided his term would be both "dangerous to America and an abject failure" long before he assumed office. Mitch McConnell's call to make Obama a one-term president, Rush Limbaugh's call for Republicans not to cooperate with Obama under any circumstances, and the general move on the Right to demonize and paint Obama as "The Other" have been fortuitous for the Romney campaign.

    If not for the success of these efforts, Romney would have marginalized and he would become the "Bob Dole non-candidate" of 2012. This only confirms the value of a non-stop barrage of negative propaganda.

    Instead, it doesn't matter what he says or does, those who will vote for Romney will do so because they have learned that Obama needs to be replaced regardless of who replaces him. So the poll numbers continue to show Romney in a dead-even race thanks to his money, his organization, and the animosity built up among the Republicans and those hoping to profit from a Romney administration.

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    July 27, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    The issue is that Romney is running on his business experience at Bain. But when reporters started pointing out that such experience included laying people off and shipping jobs overseas, then Romney claimed that he was no longer at Bain when this happened.

    Except that journalists did some digging and found that Romney still held the title of CEO, received a salary from Bain, and travelled back to Massachusetts and participated in meetings.

    It would have been nice if the Deseret News had painted a full picture of the issue rather than omitting the inconvenient facts.

    If Romney wants Bain to be his calling card, then he has to accept responsibility for Bain's actions, both the good and the bad.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    July 27, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Romney's whereabouts...

    In 1999 Romney was hired as President and CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics and Paralympics.

    Romney was elected Governor of Massachusetts in 2002.

    Romney was working in SLC from 1999 until 2002.

    How did he qualify for the residency requirement to become the Gov. of Mass.?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 28, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    when was the last time you heard Barack talk about his economy? When was the last time you heard Barack explain his "plan" for the next 4 years? Does anyone know what his plan is - the one to revive our economy? So as you stand in the unemployment line and stare at 8.2% unemployment or you apply for your 100th job or while you struggle to keep your business's head above water and you fear the coming Obama taxes and regulations that will most likely sink your business .... are you comforted by Barack's attacks against Romney? Does Barack's crafty little commercials give you hope ... or do they just nauseate you? When is enough .. enough? Will Barack's rhetoric cause business to grow in 2013 or slow down even more? Are you prepared to accept more business slow down - higher unemployment - less possibilities? Does "fairness" give you comfort or do you see through this political nonsense and understand at the end of the day Barack can't help you. Are you SICK of Barack Hussin Obama and his socialist game plan??? You CAN do something about it!!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    His tax returns will make his case.