So, if you go by votes the Utes finish 4th in the Pac-12? Well, votes don't
count much, on the field, on the field, on the field! Hopefully the Utes can
surprise the Pac-12 media!
A shocking prediction!Get used to it Utes, this is what U wanted.
Yep votes doesn't count on the field.....Utah finishes 3rd at best in the
south. Go Trojans!
That's strange ... I was told it's only the Ute FANS that thought Utah
could challenge for the upper tier of the Pac 12.I guess the media must
all have red-tinted goggles as well. Crazy.
Sorry sammy, Utah is picked to finish behind only likely #1 ranked USC.In their second year, Utah is picked as the only challenger to mighty USC.While BYU is focused on their WAC championship.I'll
never understand BYU fans knocking Utah for their Pac-12 finishes. A team that
beat you by 44 points on your home field. Can you imagine where BYU would be
predicted in this poll!
@ sammyg"Get used to it Utes, this is what U wanted".One loss and BYU is Kraft Fight World Hunger Bowl bound every year. Get
used it Cougs! This is what you wanted!
It's funny that sammyg thinks Utah fans would be disappointed by the media
voting Utah 4th best in the entire Pac 12. That's an 8-3 record if they
played every team in the Pac 12 and things went as the media thinks they would.
I guess that's not good though, right Sammy?Maybe this just
shows that Utah fans are more logical than BYU fans. Moving on ... I
for one think the media has this about right. And anytime a team finds
themselves in the upper tier of the conference you're basically saying that
with a few good bounces you might have a crack at something special. Utah's
in a nice position to make some noise.Go Utes!
A testament to how truly pathetic the pac12 south is. And williary, utah
isn't picked to "challenge" anyone or anything, especially not USC,
they are simply thought to maybe be the top also ran in a very bad division of
Pre-season predictions are nice but mean nothing. The Utes can take the Trojans
at home this year. The D will be great and the Offense should be much improved.
Can't wait.Go Utes!The cougies will
find out how "pathetic" the lowly PAC 12 is when they get beat by mighty
Ducky,WSU 32bYu 10MARK IT DOWN.Better book those tickest to Tulsa now.
Who did DN send to the media day? He had absolutely no idea what he was talking
about. Embarrassing. I guess WSU's has a new coach named Coach Price.
Nothing gives me more pleasure than seeing byu fans squirming and spewing their
jealousy all over a Utah article. It is truly comical. It shows me how far ahead
Utah is than byu. It is great to be able to have an actual Pac 12 media day,
instead of a "look at us everyone we are still trying to be relevant"
media day back in June like byu.These predictions seem about right.
I am still predicting Utah to go 10-2 finishing 2nd in the South and playing in
the Alamo Bowl.GO UTES
@Ducky"A testament to how truly pathetic the pac12 south is. And
williary, utah isn't picked to "challenge" anyone or anything,
especially not USC"______You might want to pick up a few
preseason magazines and newspapers ... I'll be happy to point you to
several respected sources which are either 1) predicting the U to upset USC and
win the South or 2) picking the U to finish second and give USC all they can
handle.You just can't seem to open those duck eyes wide enough
to see what so many others can see ... and we're not talking about just Ute
"fans." LOLAs others have said, be worried about WSU. And
remember, they're one of those lousy cellar dwelling Pac 12 teams
you've so often talked about. I can only imagine the spin from the team
down south if they lose that home game.
Duckhunter:"...utah isn't picked to 'challenge'
anyone or anything, especially not USC."Maybe not by anyone in
WACistan, but according to Phil Steele:"With superior QB play
and RB John White the Utes might just be an upset away (USC Thur night at home
on Oct. 4th) from contending in the P12 South."Lindy's,
Athlon, Blue Ribbon, Football Outsiders, USA Today, and ESPN Pac-12 beat writers
Ted Miller and Kevin Gemmell ALL predict Utah to challenge USC in the Pac-12
South.Don't be so frantic and emotional.
sammyg:"Get used to it Utes, this is what U wanted."You say that like it was a bad thing. It IS what we wanted. And from
what I've heard from your WACey fanbase, it's what YOU wanted as well.
Why else would you have been pretending to be in "secret negotiations"
for membership for the past 3 decades?The U and the Y BOTH wanted
the Pac-12, but the Pac-12 only wanted the U. Had the Big 12 called yet? No?
Oh well. Mid-majors forever.Haha!
U missed its big chance last season, they'll remain mired behind USC until
the Trojans have their next round of sanctions. The U will never have the
recruiting ability or the fire power to battle the major schools in the
conference. If U does it'll be a season here or there, but nothing
consistent.Also amusing is the BYU talk in this story, since they
have nothing to do with Utah after this season's game. The U has chosen to
distance itself from BYU, a longterm partner. I hope the U can have good
success in the PAC but it is certainly a long shot, like BYU's chance at
major success is. But both schools are on a different path, it's just a
shame that the U killed the rivalry (and anyone is dilusional if they think that
an every few years game will keep the rivalry alive and kicking, Texas and
A&M realize that won't happen in their rivalry and BYU/U fans should
realize the same).
Yeah, Duck, a bad division of college football that BYU begged to join for
"With superior QB play and RB John White the Utes might just be an upset
away (USC Thur night at home on Oct. 4th) from contending in the P12
South."This is by no means a prediction that Utah will win the
game. Nor is he suggesting that they will even be competitive. He's
saying, that given the schedule, if Utah can pull off an improbable upset, they
will "contend" for the P12 South. Steele, along with everybody else, is
predicting a fairly easy USC victory.
Who are the 3 guys that voted for ASU to win the Pac 12 championship game?DuckhunterYou do realize that USC is a favorite to win the National
Championship and Utah returns 18 starters on a team that beat the Y by 44 points
don't you? If that is truly pathetic what does that say about BYU?
I am not conceding the season yet.Can't wait for October game with
USC in Salt Lake City!If the Utes win the game, the season will be very,
very interesting.Even 3rd, 4th place. Sun bowl is still much better
than the armed force bowl.
Old ball..."Yep votes doesn't count on the field.....Utah
finishes 3rd at best in the south."Perhaps, having only 1 effect
your logical thinking...Utah will win the South and beating BYU by
44 points again!
Go Utes! I hope you can beat the predictions. Keep your head in the game and
come ready to play each week. You have great coaches and great potential. Now
it's up to the players and "U" can do it. Keep the business in
front of you and don't let arrogance keep you from pure dedication to each
and every play. I'll be cheering for you every game this year!
Northern Colorado 42Utah 17Ouch!!! This
OHBU"This is by no means a prediction that Utah will win the
game"_______If you want a prediction from a reputable
source do a google search for: "Preseason countdown: No. 13 Utah" MSN/Fox predicts Utah to upset USC and win the Pac 12 South.Happy now?
Let's be honest, either New Mexico , UNLV, Air Force, or Wyoming could
finish second in this over rated division.I can't stop
"A testament to how truly pathetic the pac12 south is" duckhunterSays the fan from the team who gave up when playing a
PAC12 south school
SoCalUtahFan"Can't wait for October game with USC in Salt
Lake City!If the Utes win the game..."It's laughable
that Utah fans think the Utes have a chance of beating USC...especially when they spend sooooo much time beating their gums comparing minor
differences between Utah's recruits with BYU's recruits... and then claiming that BYU will never be able to compete with the mighty PAC
12 Utes...yet, those exact same fans develop total amnesia when it
comes to pretending that Utah has even the remotest chance of beating USC.USC has Top 10 Recuiting Classes EVERY years.Utah has NEVER
even come close to a Top 20 Recruiting Class.btw, what good does it
do to play USC relatively closely,when you can't even beat one
of the worst teams in the country with the division title on the line?
gonefishn"If that is truly pathetic what does that say about
BYU?"It says that BYU understands that one game does not a
season make, and while BYU improved steadily throughout the remainder of the
season, Utah spent the season beating their chests about beating BYU, while
getting throttled by every half-decent team they played the rest of the
season.Utah should spend less time boasting, and more time
concentrating on beating 10-loss teams.
Pre-season polls, rankings, predictions, t-shirts, posters are what giddy Y fans
aspire to. I just hope the Utes play well and win..........escpeciially the USC
game. Goooooooo Utes!
williary"Utah is picked to finish behind only likely #1 ranked
USC"It's cute how quickly the kids on the adapt.USC is now the football equivalent of Kentucky to Utah basketball.Always a bridesmaid; never a bride."We Try Harder" will
soon replace "A Utah Man Am I"Enjoy!
"Utes picked to finish second in South Division"Second to
the only decent team in the Pathetic South!*screeeeech*Time to organize the parade.
This is just in....Just like Utah was picked 3rd/4th place in
Pac-12, BYU was picked to finish4th place in Indy--behind Notre Dame,
Army, and Navy. BYU is projected to go to Poinsetta Bowl with a record of
6-6 --wins over Weber State, Hawaii, Utah State, Idaho, San Jose State, New
Mexico StateCongrats, Cougs--you get what you deserve and want!
SoCalutah.....blaaaaaah haaaa haaaa Utah beating USC this year. Just like you
beat TCU two years ago at home. SC by 14.... Mark it down! Go
Quack PacPlease explain why BYU "improved steadily throughout
the remainder of the season"? It couldn't be because their November
schedule was extremely weak was it? With two bye weeks and all. Yes the Colorado
loss was a bit pathetic, but the Utes were only a field goal kick away from
tying the game. They weren't absolutely humiliated on their own field by 44
points. BYU should spend less time boasting, and more time
concentrating on beating good teams with a winning record.
It sure is awesome that we might finish 2nd.
"and while BYU improved steadily throughout the remainder of the
season...."I think Snack Pack meant to say:"and
towards the end of the season, after byu had played the 3 good teams on their
schedule, they played the lower end of the WAC conference....."Only a fool would think byu improved over the season. Look at the teams they
played toward the end of the season. Any mediocre team would look like the best
team in the nation against Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, etc. They
didn't get better...they just started playing the worst teams in the nation
at the end of the year. Look what happened when they played the only 3
decent-good teams last year. Texas? byu lost. Utah? 54-10. TCU? byu lost.
They even almost lost to Ole Miss (a 2 win team).
Utah will being do just fine, the BYU fans should be happy that the Utes are off
of the schedule. Anymore beat downs like 48-24 and 54-10 will not look good on
that independent resume,Muckhunterd days of glory are fading with each
comment. I am still laughing over that fat Lie about being in Tulsa.You went to
the Y as a guest of one of your parents being on the faculty, so you
say,don't you remember the part of the honor code that States " Respect
others? " Why do you even bother ?You should be dancing in
the streets knowing that that the Utes are off of the Provo schedule. Anymore
beat downs like 48-24 and 54-10 will not look good on that independent resume .
Old Ball and Just the FAX...I am marking it down after 10/4, Utah
will be 5-0
@KH--FINALLY, somebody else gets it....And we'll hear a similar tune at the
end of next season, right after beats up on Idaho, SJSU & NMSU...."If
only we'd played UTAH later in the season when we were, 'hitting our
stride'"....Please....UTAH will once again brutalize byu and then move
on to playing real teams.
Both schools finished the year 5-1....While all 5 UTAH wins came against BCS
schools, all 5 byu wins came against non-BCS schools, including the following
national-powerhouses:Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii
and TulsaI begin trembling at the thought of my UTES ever braving
such a brutal string of teams.
Watched the 54-10 debacle again today.Priceless.
I know a few of you don't get the concept but the PAC 12 has two divisions.
The number of votes a team received in the poll is only relevant to the
prediction within the division. There is no valid comparison to say the Utes
finished 4th overall, just as their is no valid comparison to say the Utes
finished anywhere other than tied for 3rd in the South Division last year.And - it is just a preseason media poll. Nice to get the respect but
doesn't mean anything other than that.
I just thought of the 17-14 beat down by Colorado. Didn't waste anytime
watching it or anything else... the memory initiated non-stop laughing! My side
is killing me!2nd place in the South Division, ha ha, that's
like a tie for 6th, 7th or 8th place isn't it?Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Funny thing is, CU played one of the most brutal schedules in the nation last
year....In the entire history of byu football, they've never even remotely
come close to playing such a difficult schedule....Heck, byu's schedule
last year was, literally, more than 4 times as easy as
Colorado's....LOL.p.s. 54-10 on byu's homefield.
Snack,There is a reason why BYU improved steadilyHere's the reason.... Central Florida, Utah State, San Jose State, Oregon
State, Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii.
17-14 Hurts Don't It?:Really? You're laughing because
we're predicted to finish 2nd in the Pac-12 South? Wow! You frantic and
emotional cougies are really having a difficult time trying to find SOMETHING to
trash talk about.By the way...had the Big 12 called yet?No?I thought not.Oh well. Mid-majors forever then, I
The key to the Utes living up to their ranking is having consistent high level
production from the quarterback. I'm excited to see who emerges. Wynn will
probably get the early nod, but he's had the same injury two years in a row
and his health is definitely a wild card. The coaching staff needs to make sure
they have a more productive backup this year. I loved Hays heart last year, and
he's my sentimental favorite but he'll need to take some giant leaps
forward to compete for 1 or 2. The incoming freshman are exciting additions to
the Ute football family. Go Utes
Utah will finish in last place yet again. I know this because of how lucky they
are when they beat us by 44.
worf:"Northern Colorado 42.....Utah 17.....Ouch!!! This really
hurts."What hurts? The soul-crushing realization that Utah has
a better shot at beating USC, and playing in the 2013 Rose Bowl than they have
at losing to No. Colorado by 4 touchdowns?"Let's be honest,
either New Mexico , UNLV, Air Force, or Wyoming could finish second in this over
rated division....I can't stop laughing."So now you're
laughing? Can you say "bipolar personality disorder"? Okay. So which
part was the most funny. The hypocrisy by saying "Let's be
honest", then following it up with the rest of that frantic and emotional
fantasy? Or was it the thought that Duckhunter and sammyg might actually
believe you? Oh to be living in that carefree, blissful world of
make-believe.P.S.: I'm still laughing that the Big 12
hasn't called yet; leaving you still so WAC-ish and mid-majorey.
U90:Don't forget that hiccup vs. TCU. I'd say that was
pretty much proof positive that they DIDN'T improve as the season went on.
They just got easier opponents.And as I recall, that was the same
fashion in which they closed out 2010. Except for the "cheating" part.
I don't believe any cougar alumni had been sitting up in the Replay Booth
BYU fan here - second in the PAC 12 south, and essentially 3rd or 4th in the PAC
12 only justifies why the Utes deserved an invite to the PAC 12. Congrats.Colorado on the other hand - bad investment by the PAC 12.
@Snack PACIt says that BYU understands that one game does not a season
make, and while BYU improved steadily throughout the remainder of the season,
Utah spent the season beating their chests about beating BYU.---------Actually, one game does make or break a season... as a
mid-major one loss and your out of a BCS berth and into a 3-tire bowl game.BTW we didn't just beat you we absolutely demolished you by 44
points.And please do tell us who were you beating your chest about
beating? At home, Utah State (7-6), Central Florida (5-7), or San Jose State
(5-7)? Maybe your biggest road win @Hawaii (6-7)? Or only losing to TCU by 10
SCUF"Just like Utah was picked 3rd/4th place in Pac-12, BYU was
picked to finish4th place in Indy--behind Notre Dame, Army, and
Navy."It's cute how Utah fans just make stuff up when it
becomes apparent that they can't hold their own in the verbal jousting.------------wallbanger"Please explain why
BYU "improved steadily throughout the remainder of the season"?:It's obvious that BYU found a QB with a never-say-die attitude and
a will to win, to lead the Cougars to a 9-1 finish, with a close road loss to
Top 25 TCU their only blemish.Utah, on the other hand, imploded the
remainder of the season, losing 4 of their last 10, including two home losses to
teams with losing records. The rest of the country obviously saw
what our crimson-glasses wearing friends on the hill were too blind to see.BYU, a team that improved enough to be ranked in the Final Top 25.Utah, a team that wasn't good enough to garner even a single vote.
Utah will finish in second place in the PAC 12 South while BYU will win the
AZUTE1"Both schools finished the year 5-1"Nice
spin, butBYU's loss was to team ranked #20 in Sagarin.Utah's loss was to a team ranked #107 in Sagarin.You're
only fooling yourself if you think that the rest of the country was impressed
with your 5 wins over "bcs" teams that had a COMBINED 20 wins. Keep
telling yourself that simply being a "bcs" team makes U or any other
conference bottom dweller special.
Vet. What is it with you and Phil Steele? Every year you quote him. A Ute
alum maybe? Already crowing with a second place south finish in a pathetic
south. Sure. My prediction. So Cal 1st 8-1, Utah 2nd 4-5, UCLA 4-5. Need I
@SwoopAnd your 5 wins were against?#35 Tulsa#97
Hawaii#133 NMS#141 Idaho#205 Idaho StateAvg
Ranking: 122#56 Georgia Tech#64 Arizona#66 UCLA#83
Washington State#87 Oregon StateAvg Ranking: 71The
difference, I am just happy we didn't play your schedule.
17-14 Hurts Don't It?Springville, UTI just thought of the 17-14
beat down by Colorado. Didn't waste anytime watching it or anything else...
the memory initiated non-stop laughing! My side is killing me!2nd
place in the South Division, ha ha, that's like a tie for 6th, 7th or 8th
place isn't it?Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!_________________Yeah ha ha! I can't stop laughing either.BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado!BYU is 6-9 all time against
San Jose St!
SwoopSalt Lake City, UTAZUTE1"Both schools finished
the year 5-1"Nice spin, butBYU's loss was to
team ranked #20 in Sagarin.Utah's loss was to a team ranked
#107 in Sagarin.You're only fooling yourself if you think that
the rest of the country was impressed with your 5 wins over "bcs" teams
that had a COMBINED 20 wins. Keep telling yourself that simply being a
"bcs" team makes U or any other conference bottom dweller special.______BYU played SEC bottom dweller Ol' Miss last
season and barely won. Anything special about that?
Every time a coug fan writes a comment, it just get's more and more
pathetic.Come on coug fans, you're really reaching when you comment
negatively about the Utes on an article about how they've just been rated
number 2 in the Pac 12 South.I mean seriously, do you know how ridiculous
you all sound as you try to spin this as a bad thing?Sometimes I feel bad
for coug fans. Sometimes.
Utah's record in the WAC and MWC doesn't jive with a second place
finish.The south division is rather weak, so just maybe a sixth
place finish.Utah State 28Utah 9
This is really entertaining. I hope it helps Utah sell home game tickets. They
neeed that, after the last home game of the previous season. I'm assuming
that the sports writers picked Utah to beat Colorado this year. They picked
them to win last year, too, didn't they? So this is entertaining at this
point. Nothing else, though........
No Worf, it is your team that gets owned by USU; remember the last time BYU
dared to venture up to Logan? Once again it is too easy.
Who finished in the top 25 last year? It wasnt the u. 2nd in the pac 12 south,
wow. The pac 12 is picked to be the 2nd weakest bcs conf. this year.
UteologyWhat about each team's losses?*crickets*
It certainly appears that our Ute friends are going to be happy and very
satisfied with losing to USC every year, along with Oregon, Stanford and throw
in the occasional Colorado and friends.It really is funny to see so
many Ute fans so happy about this.Sure, you get a bowl game, but
it's really more like a participation trophy.How did 4-5 really
feel? Will 5-4 feel that much difference?
WACpaddledBYU is 4-4 all time versus Washington.Utah is 0-7
all time versus Washington.Utah is 1-6 versus the SLC YMCA.BYU
is UNDEFEATED versus the Village People.Bwaaaaaa haaaaa haaaaaa
5-4 will be a good year for Utah in the PAC-12; 6-3 will be exceptional; 7-2 or
8-1 are extremely doubtful; 9-0 is only a dream.4-5 or 5-4 finishes
will be the standard for Utah over the next decade. By then, the
"loyal" Ute fans will be staying away in droves and those whose remain
will be begging BYU to play them every year again so they can sell some tickets
to pay their over-paid coaching staff.Utah does not have the money
nor the recruiting base to compete in the PAC-12. Utah and Colorado are merely
filler teams so that the big boys in the PAC-12 can have a conference
championship game.You are being used, Utes!
I will be dissapointed if the Utes finish any thing less than 10-3, with an
Alamo bowl bid (and victory) which pays $3.125 mill. Toughest games will be
@USC, @Washington, and Cal. The best BYU can hope for is a Poinsettia bowl bid
which pays $500K. There's a huge difference between the Adult and Kiddie
table. Go Utes!>------->
Let the talkin' happen on the field, the Utes will dominate! Go Utes!
Objectively, i expect USC, UCLA and Arizona to beat Utah. But it doesn't
really matter, because the Ducks will take the conference title again, and be in
the hunt for a NC.
4th best just behind three schools that are likely to be in the top 15
nationwide can still be a very good result.
sammyg"It certainly appears that our Ute friends are going to be
happy and very satisfied with losing to USC every year, along with Oregon,
Stanford and throw in the occasional Colorado and friends."_____Yes sammy, Ute fans would absolutely rather lose to the teams you listed
as apposed to playing an absolutely irrelevant schedule. At least Utah has a
chance to do something REAL, versus slipping into the top 25 because they played
a bunch of cupcakes. Yay for Coug fans if that's what floats your boat.
BYU did improve throughout the season, mostly by virtue of Nelson > Heaps.
I'd have picked BYU to narrowly beat Utah if it were a late season game
between Nelson and Hays. @AZUTE1Tulsa had a very good team,
their (Tulsa's) 8-4 record understated their performance when you consider
who those 4 teams were.
I guess if you are an underachiever, second place and maybe 4th overall is not
so bad. So let's hear it for all of you second place losers in the Ute
As UCLA proved last year...you can finish 2nd in the Pac10 South AND have an
overall losing record. Seems appropriate that Utah was picked 2nd in the Pac10
South this year.Also, what good does it do to play in a $3 million
bowl game if you have to split the proceeds 12 ways? Last I checked $500k was
more than $250k since BYU keeps 100% of the proceeds?
@ NC Frogs 2010Let me help you with your math. The PAC 12 is quarnteed
$26,643,750 in bowl pay out, next year. That equals $2,220,312 (per team): which
is 4x(+) greater than $500K. Now if two PAC 12 teams play in BCS games, like
last year, and additional $17,000,000 is split 12 ways. Last year the PAC 12 was
paid out over $31 million, or $2.69 million per team. I hope that helps.
Whit has said that pre-season polls don't mean much, and Bronco has said
that he wishes there were no rankings until the fourth or fifth week of the
season.Many highly ranked pre-season teams have bombed. Some teams
who weren't ranked in the pre-season have risen to the top.As
much as I dislike some of the Ute commenters, I still hope Utah wins every game
except one each year.I would also pick Utah as the #2 team in the
South, but with three new coaches at UCLA, UA, and ASU; it wouldn't
surprise me if one of those schools had a break-out year. I also think it would
take a miracle for Utah to beat USC, but miracles happen just like when U beat
Alabama. Utah's fortunes also rest on the health of Wynn. With Wynn at
QB, I give the Utes at least two more wins, than if you are forced to rely on
your back-up.But Barkley has something to prove his senior season,
and will do everything he can with a talented team to challenge for the NC.
Unfortunately, Trojans will win big is SLC.
Wow, my fellow Cougars on this board, don't make us all look like silly
with your rhetoric. The Utes finishing fourth in their conference behind USC,
Oregon, and Stanford would still be success in my book. Those three teams
finished in the Top 10 last year. Do you honestly believe the Utes trying to
beat those top programs is a bad thing? Even if they lose, they are competing
against some of the top competition. We are trying to build that kind of
schedule, so don't knock the Utes for already having it. For
any of you think that I'm a Ute posting as a Cougar, you're wrong,
just read statements of mine in the past on our articles.
This is funny, it's a Utah article and yet 90% of the Ute fans here are
posting NOT about Utah football but instead obsessing about BYU.
@NC Frogs2010"Also, what good does it do to play in a $3 million bowl
game if you have to split the proceeds 12 ways? "A lot if
you're getting a cut from the other PAC-12 schools bowl games. Why do you
think only Utah has to share?
@ Big CougarI can only speak for myself, but my comment mentions BYU
becuase some one was wrong with their information. Why are you commenting about
BYU on a Utah article? Who is obsessed with Whom?@ Chris from Rose ParkSpot on and great comment.
CougFaninTXI also think it would take a miracle for Utah to beat USC, but
miracles happen just like when U beat Alabama. ---------Utah 31 Bama 17Is a miracle as much as...Utah
54BYU 10 Miracle is when "Harline is still open",
"4&18", and "George is still running".I hope now
you won't confuse a whooshed beating with "miracle" win.
@Chris from Rose ParkAs a fellow Cougar fan, I could not agree
more.The Utes have an amazing team this season, as they have every
season going back to Urban Meyer. I'm still a Cougar fan first
an foremost, but I respect the Utes a lot. They did well last year and
they'll do well again this year.
@SwoopUteologyWhat about each team's losses?*crickets*----------------Well you really ONLY
had a three game schedule, lets see how you did:Utah 54 BYU 10Texas 17 BYU 16TCU 38 BYU 28So really only your schedule
@ Spokane Ute, thanks for reminding me how much the Utes rely on others for
their success...which I think was the point of my original post.
@UteologyYou said - "So really only your schedule
improved."True, that's why, as a Cougar fan I'm so
looking forward to this season. No two-headed QB this year which will be a
welcome change. If they can win even one of their four big road
games this year (Utah, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame) then I would say
the 2012 Cougars will have far surpassed the 2011 Cougars. I see
both BYU and Utah finishing 9-3 this season.
"Pathetic" a word you coug fans like to use a whole bunch. What's
pathetic is byu is still nothing playing for nothing and you y fans really think
you are playing for something. Keep up the pathetic hate you all have.
UteologyNice dodge... now tell us about ALL of UTAH's losses
and stop pretending they never happened.-----------Spokane Ute"I will be dissapointed if the Utes finish any
thing less than 10-3, with an Alamo bowl bid (and victory) which pays..."Prepare to be disappointed...As we've seen time and
time again, there are no gimmes on Utah's schedule, except possibly
Northern Colorado. The Utes are just as likely to lose to a 10-loss team, as to
a 5-loss team.As for bowl games...Just like the Sun Bowl
and Armed Forces Bowls last year, except for the $$$, there's little
difference between the relevance of the Alama Bowl and the Poinsettia Bowl.case in point:Utah beats Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl and
DROPS in Sagarin, while not picking up a single vote in either the AP or Coaches
Polls.BYU beats Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowls and leaps past Utah
in Sagarin, jumps into the Coaches Top 25, and finishes just barely out of the
AP Top 25 at #26.The final rankings speak for themselves:BYU's bowl win was more impressive than Utah's bowl win.
@MUSS: "As we've seen time and time again, there are no gimmes on
Utah's schedule, except possibly Northern Colorado."The
last D2 Montana played Utah tougher than BYU did last year. I don't think
Northern Colorado will quit, can't guarantee that about BYU. The 7 of 10
suggests BYU is the gimme this year, 70% of the times Utah has beat BYU over the
last 10 years."The Utes are just as likely to lose to a 10-loss
team, as to a 5-loss team."Not really, more like ~3% chance. In the last 61 games Utah only lost 2 games to a team with 8 or more
losses; for comparison BYU only once: Utah lost Colorado (3-10) and
got hammered @UNLV (2-8) in 2007.BYU got hammered 4-8 @Utah State (4-8) in
@ NC Frog 2010No, your origional post was inaccurate; as you didn't
understand how the bowl pay out works. As far as relying on others; The Sun Bowl
paid $2 million, or 4x the poinsettia bowl. You could argue that teams such as
WSU rely on other since they didn't contribute to the bowl payout, but Utah
certainly did their part.
Dissapointed? Losing at home to your rival 54-10; now that would be
dissapointing! Oh the Horror!
mussingaroundAs we've seen time and time again, there are no
gimmes on Utah's schedule, except possibly Northern Colorado. The Utes are
just as likely to lose to a 10-loss team, as to a 5-loss team.The
only gimme is byu, that was way to easy.
Uteology"more like ~3% chance"You're not
even close - count up the number of 10-loss teams Utah has played in the last
five years, then calculate Utah's percentage against 10-loss teams during
the last five years.Here's a hint:Utah has lost to
TWO 10-loss teams in the last five years.BYU has lost to TWO 10-loss
teams in BYU's ENTIRE HISTORY.
I graduated from USU and was raised cheering for the cougars. Other than those
two games each year (when they play each year), I cheer for the Utes. Great
that they are picked to come in second in the south. Hopefully they can pull
out the upset of USC in Salt Lake this year. GO Utah teams.
I actually like the Utes chances against USC. The game is in SLC, the Utes will
want to prove themselves after losing last year's game, and quite frankly I
think USC's arrogance will ultimately be their undoing. I'm more
paranoid that they might lay another egg against Colorado or some other bottom
@Spokane UteSo...if the net shared payout in the Pac10 is $2.3
million, and the Utes only "earned" $2million from their bowl game, how
exactly did they earn their "share?" It seems to me that others had to
pay their way...reluctantly.
As a big USC fan, I think it is too bad that the yearly rivalry game between
Utah and BYU will be gone. Those kinds of games are important to keep the
interest up, even when the teams may be having a bad season. USC has a couple
rivalry games every year with Notre Dame and UCLA. Utah has shown it can play
with anyone and should fair pretty well in the PAC 12. I don't think they
will have very many seasons being a doormat, as all teams are occasionally. I
hope they do well, even though I will be for USC come gametime.
mussingaroundThe final rankings speak for themselves:BYU's bowl win was more impressive than Utah's bowl win.-----TV ratings also speak for themselves. More people watched the
Sun Bowl than our game.
@ NC Frogs 2010Pretty Simple, they put $2 million in the pot. They earned
an extra $300,000 for being part of the conference. Washingtion State, Arizona,
Colorado, USC and Oregon State did not go to a bowl, therefore didn't
contribute to the Bowl Pot, but still got paid. In conclusion; it's reall
simple $2 mil or $2.3 mill > $.5 mill (BYU payout). Being part of a
conference pays; would you like me to explain how Utah will receive the $20+
million becuse of the PAC 12 TV agreement? You seem to have trouble grasping the
concept that $2 million is greater than $.5 million.
@motorbikeOf course BYU fans can say the same thing about utah
"fans", you are just to blinded with crimson to see why.Everytime some utah "fan" tries to claim 6 years of ok success
translates to 40 years wiorth of it I just think how pathetic it is that they
actually believe it. Do you know how ridiculous all of you sound
when you try to claim that wniing 2 bowl games in some way comes anywhere near
BYU's decades long list of acheivements. Achievments that not only inlcude
almost every single top individual honor that can be bestowed on a college
football player but also actually winning the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.Next time you want to pull the "pathetic" card out of your pocket go
and take a quick glance in that crimson colored mirror located in the porta
potty at the double wide on the hill and then get back to us.LOL!
Enjoyed watching the recap of the PAC-12 media day, especially the part with the
Utes. Cannot wait for the season to begin. My favorite time of year
No Conference Championship for U "TV ratings also speak for
themselves. More people watched the Sun Bowl than our game."You're seriously comparing a Friday morning start to a Saturday afternoon
start?Fortunately, the bean counters at ESPN are smart enough to
figure how time slots affect ratings.Seriously, though, the fact
that BYU got more respect from the pollsters for BYU's bowl win, with such
a crummy television time slot, compared to Utah with their more favorable time
slot, speaks volumes for the respect BYU's football program has built for
the last four decades, and how little respect Utah really has on a national
basis.The pollsters understand the significant difference between
being a power in a power conference, and being a bottom dweller.11
of 13 BYU games on ESPN in 2011 tells us all we need to know about the real
drawing power of BYU football.
@duckhunterIt only weakens your argument to play the "national
championship" card, since it is generally considered a joke among the
football college world. BYU was awarded this 3 decades ago out of default.
They were the only undefeated team that year, and beat a 6-6 Michigan team in a
minor bowl by one touchdown.Utah, on the other hand, has gone
undefeated twice in the past eight years, including beating a former #1 Alabama
team by a larger margin of victory than Florida, the eventual "national
champion". But the powers-that-be wouldn't allow Utah, the only
undefeated team in 2008, to be awarded the National Championship because of
prejudice against the smaller "mid-major" teams, originating from
BYU's 1984 "national championship by default".I hope
that helps to clear up any misconception you have as to the validity of your
mussingaroundPalo Alto, CANo Conference Championship for U "TV ratings also speak for themselves. More people watched the Sun Bowl
than our game."You're seriously comparing a Friday morning
start to a Saturday afternoon start?Fortunately, the bean counters
at ESPN are smart enough to figure how time slots affect ratings.Seriously, though, the fact that BYU got more respect from the pollsters for
BYU's bowl win, with such a crummy television time slot, compared to Utah
with their more favorable time slot, speaks volumes for the respect BYU's
football program has built for the last four decades, and how little respect
Utah really has on a national basis.The pollsters understand the
significant difference between being a power in a power conference, and being a
bottom dweller.11 of 13 BYU games on ESPN in 2011 tells us all we
need to know about the real drawing power of BYU football.__________More twisted logic from a BYU fan.You don't
understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV.
Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract.
Good points GoredIt's also important to remember that that same
Alabama team went undefeated and won the NC the very next year.
Beating on your chest over a National Championship, played alomst 30 years ago,
won against a 6-6 Michigan team, and defeating no final top 20 teams in the
goredI am a Utah man and I live across the green... with
jealousy!Don't you Utah fans get it? None of your whiney spin
will ever change the fact that BYU was chosen as the CONCENSUS
MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPION for 1984 by EVERY major selecting
organization recognized by the NCAA.-------------WACpaddled"More twisted logic from a BYU fan.You
don't understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are
on TV. Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the
contract."The only twisted logic is from a jealous Utah fan who
obviously can't connect the dots that ESPN isn't going to televise 11
of BYU's 13 game if BYU isn't drawing enough viewers to justify
televising that many games.
Cougars - Wise Older BrothersAnaheim, CAWACpaddled"More twisted logic from a BYU fan.You don't understand what
ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV. Ratings are what
matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract."The
only twisted logic is from a jealous Utah fan who obviously can't connect
the dots that ESPN isn't going to televise 11 of BYU's 13 game if BYU
isn't drawing enough viewers to justify televising that many games.____________________Based upon what criteria? Ever wonder
why so many games are TBD? BYU is not the only football entity that ESPN has a
contract with. If this was so great, BYU games would be prime time, top spot,
for each game. Yes you have a contract, but I have news for you, not everyone is
watching. Go wave your meaningless sticky note in the air somewhere else.
WACpaddleddenial isn't just a river that flows through Egypt,
it flow freely from the kids on the hill.BYU is the ONLY school that
has an exclusive contract with ESPN and ESPN programming executes have expressed
on many occassions how much they value ESPN's partnership with BYU.Now who are we to believe, ESPN executives, or jealous whiney kids on
Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last
decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little
Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.
Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too:
they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national
champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th
amongst 98 division 1A schools. And yet their performance was as weak as their
schedule. They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1
Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl--
by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national
champion." How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the
Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl
games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the
Good morning Utesies!gored"But the powers-that-be
wouldn't allow Utah, the only undefeated team in 2008, to be awarded the
National Championship because of prejudice against the smaller
"mid-major" teams, originating from BYU's 1984 "national
championship by default"."So now you're blaming BYU for
not getting an NC in 2008? LOLTime to move on buddy, lamenting over
something that the rest of the nation voted you not to have is not healthy.
There's a list of reasons as to why the Utes did not get an NC, look to
your non-existent legacy as a starter, and your propensity to losing to 10 loss
teams.On the other hand just remember, BYU WAS voted to have this
honor... UNANIMOUSLY !!! BYU was the best in 1984, U were not in 2008.Get over it.
AZUTE1It's ironic that a Utah fan would be using the exact same
"weak" schedule argument for BYU 1984 that was used against Utah in 2004
by all of the bcs snobs and which Utah fans whined about incessantly.You're just jealous that, unlike Utah, BYU was able to overcome the
"weak" schedule argument through six years of football excellence (from
1979 to 1984) that makes everything that Utah has accomplished in their entire
football history pale in comparison.
@mussingaroundUtah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last five
years.BYU has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in BYU's ENTIRE
HISTORY.-----------Big deal, still highly unlikely!Utah has lost to THREE 10-loss teams in its entire history and BYU lost
TWICE. The difference, your #16 defending champion got exposed by a
ONE win team.2011 @Colorado (3-10) 17Utah (8-5) 142007@UNLV (2-10) 27Utah (9-4) 01992UTEP
(1-10) 20Utah (6-6) 131985 @UTEP (1-10) 23#16 BYU
(11-3) 161976 @KSU (1-10) 13BYU (9-3) 3
SportsFanOrem, UTWACpaddleddenial isn't just a
river that flows through Egypt, it flow freely from the kids on the hill.BYU is the ONLY school that has an exclusive contract with ESPN and ESPN
programming executes have expressed on many occassions how much they value
ESPN's partnership with BYU.Now who are we to believe, ESPN
executives, or jealous whiney kids on the hill?____________Hello! What else do you expect ESPN execs to say? And what do you think they
say to the PAC 12, BIG 12, BIG 10, ACC & BIG East? The same thing. There is
nothing exclusive about BYUs contract. They are not the only one to have a
contract with ESPN. The only thing exclusive is how you and some other BYU fans
look when bragging about the ESPN contract.
Uteology"The difference, your #16 defending champion got exposed
by a ONE win team."The ONLY thing "exposed" is how
clueless you are about football history.BYU did have a one-game
meltdown against UTEP 16-23, but it's interesting that you completely
ignored the fact that #16/#17 BYU(10-3) barely lost to #6/#7 UCLA(9-2) 24-27,
beat #8/#5 Air Force(12-1) 28-21 (probably the best team in Air Force history),
and barely lost to #14/#11 Ohio State(9-3) 7-10 in the Citrus Bowl. The Cougars more than redeemed themselves from that one-game meltdown in 1985.
Unlike the Utes, who didn't come close to being ranked after
their twin meltdowns in 2007 and 2011.btw, BYU hasn't lost to a
10-loss team in 26 years.Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the
last 5 years, including last season's meltdown.
"btw, BYU hasn't lost to a 10-loss team in 26 years.Utah
has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last 5 years, including last season's
meltdown."On the flip-side, byu hasn't had even one, single
undefeated-season in this same time-frame, UTAH TWICE; Not to mention, ZERO BCS
bowl games, UTAH TWO [BOTH Smashing-Wins]--UTAH > byu, HANDS-DOWN.p.s. What would CU's record have been last year playing byu's WEAK
schedule, instead of their BRUTAL schedule?
AZUTE1Nice try, but in that 26-year time frame:BYU - 12
Top 25 Finishes, 11 Conference Championships, 1 Heisman Trophy, 2 Davey
O'Brien Awards, 2 Sammy Baugh Trophies, 2 Outland Trophies, and 1 Doak
Walker AwardUtah - 6 Top 25 Finishes, 5 Conference Championships,
ZERO National Individual Awards of any kindBYU > Utah -
it's not even closeWho cares what CU's record would have
been with BYU's weak schedule; the real question is, what would Utah have
done against BYU's "weak" schedule.Utah lost to #38
California, #41 ASU, #44 California, and #107 Colorado, and the highest ranked
team Utah beat was #34 BYU (before Wynn went down for the season), so it's
not unreasonable to suspect that Utah's record against BYU's schedule
would have been:8-5, with no bowl winat Ole Miss -
winat Texas - lossBYU - winUCF - winUtah St - lossSJ St - winat OSU - winId St - winTCU - lossIdaho -
winNM St - winat Hawaii - lossTulsa - loss#35
Tulsa was ranked significantly higher than the #56 Georgia Tech team Utah barely
beat in the Sun Bowl.
@Sportsfan....Nice try....You byu fans love the '80s, 3 decades ago
[LOLLOL], because it's 100% downhill from there for poor, little,
irrelevant byu....UTAH would've been in another BCS Bowl Game w/byu's
bottom-feeder, WEAK schedule last year.....CU would've been close to one,
that's for certain.UTAH > byu, HANDS-DOWN.Oh
yeah, 54-10 head-to-head on byu's homefield....OUCH!!!!!!!! 2 in a row, 7
out of the last 10 and 52-31-4 overall, UTAH.NEXT.
AZUTE1"You BYU fans love the '80s"BYU fans
love the 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's - BYU has been a
perennial Top 25 team since 1977.There's not a single decade
since the 60's that BYU hasn't finished in the Top 25 more often than
Utah.FIVE of BYU's 12 Top 25 Finishes since 1986 have come
since 2006, almost as many as the whiney Utes have in their ENTIRE football
history.btw, your 7 of 10 is meaningless when you consider that 5 of
the last 7 have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in
overtime.On a national scale, Utah isn't even close:BYU - 18 Top 25 FinishesUtah - only 7NEXT...
SportsFanOrem, UTAZUTE1"You BYU fans love the
'80s"BYU fans love the 70's, 80's, 90's, and
2000's - BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977.There's not a single decade since the 60's that BYU hasn't
finished in the Top 25 more often than Utah.FIVE of BYU's 12
Top 25 Finishes since 1986 have come since 2006, almost as many as the whiney
Utes have in their ENTIRE football history.btw, your 7 of 10 is
meaningless when you consider that 5 of the last 7 have been decided by a
touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.On a
national scale, Utah isn't even close:BYU - 18 Top 25
FinishesUtah - only 7NEXT..._________________Yet after all this time BYU still has not been officially invited to
join a major conference.Boise St. & Utah have figured out that in
order to get somewhere, you move up.
WACpaddledUnlike dependent U, BYU doesn't need to join a major
conference in order to be relevent.A Top 25 Finish and 11 games
televised by ESPN in BYU's first year of Independence proved that.The demise of the bcs and the beginning of a playoff removed the only
artificial barrier to playing for a NC, so the only thing BYU has to worry about
now is building another team that's good enough to compete for a NC.With the schedules BYU is putting together, BYU will have ample
opportunity to prove themselves, if they're good enough.
dependent U, BYU doesn't need to join a major conference in order to be
relevent.A Top 25 Finish and 11 games televised by ESPN in
BYU's first year of Independence proved that.The demise of the
bcs and the beginning of a playoff removed the only artificial barrier to
playing for a NC, so the only thing BYU has to worry about now is building
another team that's good enough to compete for a NC.With the
schedules BYU is putting together, BYU will have ample opportunity to prove
themselves, if they're good enough.>>>Just how were we relevant last season? We lost to better teams, and beat WAC
teams and one bottom feeding SEC team. And what about being relevant
this season? I just looked at the ESPN 2012 college football schedule for all
their networks. So far it looks to me like BYU is on five times so far. Am I
reading this wrong? Because There are other schools playing just as many or more
than BYU on TV.
Hey Sportsfan --- You guys can have your 11 top 25 finishes..most of them are
closer to 25...How many undefeated Seasons has BYU had in the last 10
years...NONE! The Utes have had 2 top 5 finishes in the last 8 years and 2 BCS
bowl wins. How about the Cougers?
I think it's funny that BYU fans are beating their chests because they were
ranked #25 in one poll at the end of the season last year. You guys played one
of the most pathetic schedules in all of college football and played mostly WAC
teams. Come back down to earth.
Jenny83"BYU fans are beating their chests because they were
ranked #25 in one poll at the end of the season last year. You guys played one
of the most pathetic schedules in all of college football..."BYU
finished #25 in Coaches, and barely missed the Top 25 in the AP, finishing at
#26.Utah on the other hand, lost AT HOME to one of the most pathetic
teams in the country, #107 Colorado, a team that was suffering the longest road
losing streak in school history.Utah would have lost to Texas, TCU,
Tulsa, and probably Hawaii and Utah State if the Utes had played BYU's
"pathetic" schedule.Meanwhile, Utah played SIX PAC 12 teams
with LOSING records, and suffered meltdowns, AT HOME, to two of them.The Utes have TWO losses to 10-loss teams the last 5 years, but laughably
pretend that the loss column doesn't exist for Utah..Bottom
line:BYU is a perennial Top 25 team - 18 of the last 35 years, 5 of
the last 6 years.Utah has never been more than an occassional Top 25
team, 7 in 48 years, 3 in the last 6.
Jenny83"The Utes have had 2 top 5 finishes in the last 8 years
and 2 BCS bowl wins. How about the Cougers?"Unfortunately for U,
Utah's glory days are behind them and the Utes are fading as they watch the
Cougars passing them by.Last six yearsBYU 2006
#16/#15 11-2 MWC champion2007 #14/#15 11-2 MWC champion2008 #25/#21
10-32009 #12/#12 11-22010 unranked 7-62011 unranked/#25
10-3Utah2006 7-5 unranked2007 8-5 unranked2008
#2/#4 13-0 MWC champion2009 #18/#18 10-32010 unranked/#232011
unranked 8-5OverallBYU - 5 Top 25 finishes, 3 Top 15 finishes,
2 conference championships, 5 10-win seasonsUtah - 3 Top 25 finishes, 1
Top 15 finish, 1 conference championship, 3 10-win seasonshead-to-head -
3-3BYU may have played some pathetic teams in 2011, but unlike Utah,
BYU didn't LOSE to any pathetic teams.Finishing 8th in a
mediocre conference and failing to beat a single conference team with a winning
record is nothing to beat your chest about.