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Kathleen Parker: Now the left is sounding nutty as the 'birthers'

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  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 18, 2012 6:10 a.m.

    That article was priceless. I've never laughed so hard this early in the morning.

    Is there anyone in the Democrat leadership that has a clue? Why are they reliving their days in kindergarten where they had to be told, "Now, now Barry and Nancy and Harry, we don't tell lies in kindergarten".

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 18, 2012 7:20 a.m.

    Lies scorecard..Democrats 1 Republicans 1,000....oh I give up.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    July 18, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    Extremely poor analogy, the right is desperate and they should be, it's become obvious to the reasonable middle class voter that the GOP is in the pocket of big business and big business is out to gut the middle class.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    Obama has been proven to be born in this nation... the Southern Strategy has been used for decades. After all, Romney made a welfare-queen like reference when he suggested the NAACP members who booed just wanting free stuff. And what about the Republicans (several on these comment boards) calling them racist for booing? Nevermind that they didn't boo Biden, or the fact that a white tea party crowd...that was redundant... would heavily boo Obama, because in both cases it's a political matter not racial.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 18, 2012 7:59 a.m.

    Although Mitt definitely wanted to show his base he could stand up to the NAACP, he appeared genuinely surprised when they started booing him. This wasn't a clever plot by Romney to play on racist elements in the GOP, but it does show how out of touch he is with many Americans. I think most main stream Democrats are over this incident.

    Now about those tax returns..........

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 18, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    So the birther movement, a lunatic conspiracy that has been going on since the day President Obama announced that he was going to run, is the same as a few newspaper comments that will be forgotten by next week? A recent poll found that only 31% of Republicans are sure that the president was born in the U.S.

  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    July 18, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Thanks for the fun article pointing out the nuts on both political sides. As to V.P.jokes Repubs had Quayle and now the Dems have Biden.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    July 18, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    Romney was "surprised" because the NAACP was rude enough to boo him...not because he was surprised at their disagreement. Larry, do you honestly believe Romney is so out of touch as to not know that the NAACP supports Obamacare? I think even you know he's smarter than that.

    As for "those tax returns" - releasing anything more than 1 or 2 years of tax returns is the rare exception; many past presidents only released tax summaries. So don't go making it sound like Romney is the exception to the rule; Obama actually was in releasing his modest, politically safe tax returns. Everyone knows that there is absolutely zero evidence of Romney doing anything illegal or unethical with his taxes, but releasing them will hand an enormous pile of gift-wrapped opposition research to the Obama Chicago political machine to distort to their advantage, as they hav with their obviously shameless lies about Bain, a nonissue if there ever was one. They even accused him of a FELONY with zero evidence!

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    July 18, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    I respect someone who can get boos and standing o's in the same setting. That tells me he knows what he is talking about and doesn't shy away from the unpopular, if he plans on doing it.

    @Bob A. Bohey: I find your argument "big business is out to gut the middle class" interesting. Let's say you're right. Big business succeeds in gutting the middle class. Now, how do those big businesses stay in business now that their customer base [the middle class] is gone, their employee base [the middle class] is gone, and their investor base [the 401Ks of the middle class] is gone? Most, if not all, business owners actually want returning life-long customers, happy employees, and a decent return for their investors. Businesses that don't have these things usually go out of business. So, I would argue that even if big business wanted to gut the middle class, as you put it, the marketplace (middle class shopping decisions) would remove those types of business from the market. Unless, of course, they are propped up by a controlling government because they are too important to that government to fail.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 18, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    Re:VOR

    You are factually incorrect.

    Like all other citizens, U.S. presidents enjoy this protection of their privacy. Since the early 1970s, however, most presidents have chosen to release their returns publicly. In the hope of making this information more widely available, the Tax History Project at Tax Analysts has compiled an archive of presidential tax returns.

    Obama: tax returns for years 2000-2011
    George Bush: 2000-2007
    Clinton: 1992-1999
    HW Bush 1989-1991 (3 yrs)
    Carter: 1977-1979 (3 yrs)
    Reagan 1981-1987
    Ford (released summaries only) 1966-1975
    Nixon 1969-1972

    Romney doesnt need to have done anything illegal.
    No doubt Romney's returns will provide fodder for his opponents to use against him, in the great debate about the need for more tax cuts for the wealthy and the 99% vs 1%. Tax experts, looking at clues from Romney's 2010 return, believe he very likely paid very little tax in 2009, even less than the 13.9% he paid in 2010.

  • George Bronx, NY
    July 18, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    sadly just another in a string of the type of childish article and comments that have come to permeate our political world.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 18, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    Here's the excerpt from Romney's speech at the NAACP that garnered the standing ovation:

    "For every one of us a particular person comes to mind, someone who set a standard of conduct and made us better by their example. For me, that man is my father, George Romney.

    It wasn’t just that my Dad helped write the civil rights provision for the Michigan Constitution, though he did. It wasn’t just that he helped create Michigan’s first civil rights commission, or that as governor he marched for civil rights in Detroit – though he did those things, too.

    More than these public acts, it was the kind of man he was, and the way he dealt with every person, black or white. He was a man of the fairest instincts, and a man of faith who knew that every person was a child of God.

    I’m grateful to him for so many things, and above all for the knowledge of God, whose ways are not always our ways, but whose justice is certain and whose mercy endures forever."

    Mitt, what a shame you aren't more like your dad....

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    July 18, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    Obama birth record definitely fraudulent

    Investigators for an Arizona sheriff's volunteer posse have declared that President Barack Obama's birth certificate is definitely fraudulent.

    Members of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's posse said in March that there was probable cause that Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April 2011 was a computer-generated forgery.

    Now, Arpaio says investigators are positive it's fraudulent.

    Mike Zullo, the posse's chief investigator, said numeric codes on certain parts of the birth certificate indicate that those parts weren't filled out, yet those sections asking for the race of Obama's father and his field of work or study were completed.

    Zullo said investigators previously didn't know the meaning of codes but that the codes were explained by a 95-year-old former state worker who signed the president's birth certificate. Zullo said a news reporter who has helped out in the probe let investigators listen in on an interview he concluded of the former state worker.

    So-called "birthers" again maintain Obama is ineligible to be president because, they contend, he was born in Kenya.

    Anymore citizenship questions here?.

    MY VIEWS.

  • Alfred Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    "Now the left is sounding nutty as the 'birthers'"

    Birthers are not sounding so nutty These days. As of yesterday the now famous Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County has just disclosed that his research and that of the Cold Case Posse found the Obama Hawaii birth certificate, provided the world by the president, is... bogus. Yes, bogus. So, we have, as president of the United States a foreigner. Heavens to murgatroid! Now what?

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    I laughed my head off at Kathleen Parker's comments. She was obviously joking. Nobody could have said what she said, and meant to have it taken seriously. Thanks for the laugh, Ms. Parker.

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    @atl134:

    "Obama has been proven to be born in this nation..."

    Have you not read today's Drudge Report? The certificate is bogus.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    And what's so wrong using the word 'Obamacare?' The illustrious president use the same term.

  • Miss Piggie Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    @liberal larry:

    "Now about those tax returns..."

    Yeah, and what about those Fast & Furious documents, the college application papers, grade transcripts, the SS number application form, huh? Where are they? For a person who promised transparency as a candidate he certainly pulled the wool.

    Oh, I forget. Politicians say what people wanna hear until after the election.

    America can't afford to give this guy a second term. He'll snip the last thread that the Constitution is hanging by.

    We need to remember his own words: if he couldn't fix things he would be a one-term president. Let's take him up on that.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    July 18, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    With all due respect President Obama's mom is an American citizen. No fan of the President but can we talk about something else like solutions to the nations problems? That would be too easy.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 18, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    I strongly recommend Republicans continue to promote the birther conspiracy and ask for Obama's school records. Most certainly those will be winning issues.

    Drudge. Another reliable source--conduit to conspiracy theorists arguing that 9/11 was an inside job, FEMA concentration camps etc.

    LOL

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 18, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    All of the pro-birther commenters have totally convinced me that President Obama was NOT born in the United States!
    I encourage all of you to keep pressing this issue, and maybe you can even get Mitt Romney to address the nation and expose the evils of our cagey, Kenyan President.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    July 18, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    Truthseeker,

    Ah, no...you missed the target. This whole issue is about releasing tax returns as candidates, but the vast majority of the years you listed were for returns revealed while the presidents were in office. Well, in that case, every single president except Ford released their tax returns while in the White House; this has always been pretty much procedural.

    But of course, that's not the issue here. We're talking about CANDIDATES releasing their private tax returns. That list, the one everyone's referring to on this issue, is as follows:

    Nixon: None.
    Ford: None.
    Carter: None.
    Reagan: None.
    Bush I: None.
    Clinton: Released only one year prior to being president, his salary as Arkansas Governor, which was already public information anyway.
    Bush II: One year prior to being president, his salary as Texas Governor, also already public.
    Obama: Unprecedentedly released all since 2000, all public anyway as Legislator and Senator.

    In other words, if Romney wins, he will be the first presidential candidate in history to release his PRIVATE tax return. In fact, all four of the candidates the Tax History project tracks as revealing their tax returns are Republicans. Apparently, not one Democrat.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    July 18, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    What about jobs and the economy? Sheez.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    The facts so far: Romney made a statement at the NAACP that was not well accepted. Everyone knew that said statement would not be well accepted.

    The interpretation: Romney purposely made the statement not to get the attention of those he was addressing but to get the attention of those who would hear about the poor reception the statement received.

    This interpretation is considered by some as a whack-a-doodle interpretation.

    The other possible interpretation is that Romney didn't/doesn't care enough about the group he is addressing to tailor his speech to them - he just gives the same speech no matter who is listening.

    Hmmm - neither interpretation is favorable to Romney - but, whack-a-doodle or not, the first interpretation at least implies Romney has some connection to those who are receiving his message.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    July 18, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    Kalindra - Are you seriously suggesting that Romney should have avoided one of THE biggest reasons he's running against Obama just because his audience may have disagreed with him? I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his principles - repealing the economy-killing Obamacare - even in the face of an overwhelmingly opposed audience. I think he shared his platform respectfully, and said what he always says as a candidate. The NAACP knew who he was, and knew his views, and still invited him. They knew what they were getting. If they didn't want to have their ears soiled by anti-Obamacare statements, then they shouldn't have invited the one man who is running largely on that very position. To the NAACP's credit they still did invite him. Too bad a few in the audience were disrespectful and booed...there's no need for that among adults in a democratic society with free speech.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    July 18, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    >Brother Chuck
    Oh please please please please keep it up. I would love nothing more than to have this race focus on Obama's birth certificate. The nuttier the Right sounds, the better it is for Democrats. So please, keep it up.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 18, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Re:VOR
    "if Romney wins, he will be the first presidential candidate in history to release his PRIVATE tax return."

    How many Democratic and Republican candidates in the general election have not served in any public office before running for president?

    Do we have Romney's tax returns for the years he served as Gov. of MA?

    Hillary Clinton waited until April to release tax records dating back to 2000 for herself and former President Bill Clinton. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., also released tax returns during the primary, but Joe Biden didn’t release his returns until September, when Obama selected him as a running mate. John Edwards did not release tax returns, though he had released a decade of returns in September 2004, when he became John Kerry’s running mate.

    In the 2004 presidential campaign, Kerry released tax forms covering years 1999 through 2003.

    Presidential candidates began releasing their returns consistently starting in the early 1970's according to the Tax History Project Director.

    How many years of tax returns did candidate George Romney release?

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    July 18, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    For most of those Democrat candidates, you must be getting your info from other sources besides the Tax History Project, since they say "...incoming presidents do not release returns for the year before they assumed office..." which isn't always true, but is generally the rule throughout history. The idea of candidates publicly releasing tax returns is a very new idea, mostly thanks to recent Republican candidates. Maybe Dodd, Edwards, Kerry, etc. really did, I don't know.

    You can certainly see how much Romney made in his governor years. And while his father released quite a few returns, he didn't have to deal with a dishonest opponent who can be depended on to twist & distort facts to means something they don't. Such as trying to claim he was a felon and lied on his taxes, when everyone else - including the liberal MSM - have found that there's nothing to the accusations at all. Anything, anything to distract from Obama's actual record, I suppose. Which is why I think Romney was wrong in reacting so defensively to his Bain years, since Bain saved far, far more jobs than they ever "lost". It's not even close.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 18, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    I don't think the left has it in 'em to be that far fetched and stupid.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    July 18, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    Most Obama supporters will do anything they can do to ignore or divert attention from the fact that Romney was given a standing ovation and that "the boo" was a minor, very predictable, hardly newsworthy event.
    This reality doesn't fit in their agenda of portraying Romney as a conniving, mean and rich racist. Ignore Obama's outsourcing. It is always easier to perceive the kookiness of the fringe on the other side. Especially when we have a mainstream media that will never point out the ideology blindness, inconsistencies and blatant use of double standards that can also exist within the left wing. Their daily focus is on branding the entire right wing as all being kooks, mean or stupid. All because they (media) tend to have their own limited, "group think" view of the world.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 18, 2012 7:10 p.m.

    I find it odd that so many people accept Joe Arpio as the last word in document authentication. He's not unbiases and he's definetly not a expert in the field.

    What he is good at is self publicity.

  • Voice ofReason LAYTON, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    "Oh please please please please keep it up. I would love nothing more than to have this race focus on Obama's birth certificate."

    That, right there, is why Romney needs to stay on-message about Obama's record just as he is doing right now. The left wants nothing more than to focus on anything - anything - but his dismal record, since it basically ends the debate on whether leftist economic philosophy is bad for the country; there's really no question that it is after four years of Obamanomics.

    And for you lefties who love to harp about the fact that some on the fringe are "birthers," I think somebody threw out that 30% of Repubs believe this (it's actually 23%, and 5% of Demos), just remember that 35% of Democrats still believe 9/11 was an inside job by Bush & Cheney, and 26% are “maybes”. Think about that - 61% of Democrats believe Bush/Cheney knew about 9/11 beforehand, or believe it’s a real possibility! Both sides have their fringe...it's just that the fringe is the mainstream on the left.

  • Jac0m Provo, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    @ EJM
    You're exactly right!

    Lay off the birther conspiracies

    and lay off the tax fraud conspiracies.

    What what do we talk about when we have no solutions to offer for the nations problems? Just pick one of the above.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    @ VOR: "Are you seriously suggesting that Romney should have avoided one of THE biggest reasons he's running against Obama just because his audience may have disagreed with him?"

    Of course I am not suggesting that - the idea of a political speaker tailoring his comments to his audience would be totally absurd!

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    July 22, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Well, if Romney didn't intend to provoke, why did he refer to it as Obama care, or knowing has he did that mentioning repeal would provoke his audience, why was he not simply silent on the issue. Romney is very good about being silent on issues when he wants to do that.

    Yes his comment was most likely a dog whistle to his extreme right wing supporters, a group that he knows he has a tenuous hold on at best.