Thanks Brent for quoting the company line, but by your logic, should you not
have replaced Northern Colorado with BYU? After all, U should beat independent
teams like BYU, ND...
Here's what I don't understand. Maybe a BYU fan (preferably one who
wants to play Utah every year) can answer this?According to BYU
fans, every year during the rivalry game, Utah fans:- Pour beer on you.- Push old ladies down the stairs.- Tip over kids' wheelchairs.- Get drunk and burn effigies of past prophets.If that's the
case then I would think you would be relieved to not have to play Utah any more.
If that were happening to me thanks to an opposing team's fans, I
certainly wouldn't want to play them any more.So which is it?
Are Utah fans not as bad as advertised, or does BYU need this game so badly that
you're willing to suffer through it? Please explain...
Great comments Brent. In my opinion, your perspective is much more interesting
than the other 99% of us fans/readers who never played the game. By the way, an
all-time favorite memory that I shall never forget was bumping into Brent as he
was walking out of the hotel in New Orleans after the Sugar Bowl and heading
towards Bourbon Street. We congratulated him, he thanked us, walked off by
himself, and we heard him mutter: "roll tide." Priceless!
still working on your heisman guarantee Brent?
I'd like to ask the Heisman Trophy winner Brent Casteel if Utah wants to
play the best and beat the best, to move up in the rankings, why are they
cancelling BYU to play North Viewmont HS? Utah can and should play both BYU and
Michigan. Stanford and USC both play Notre Dame every year.
24 hours later! The Y'ners are still Y'ning!Life as a
mid-major must be hard for Cougie fans, especially when their big brother is
playing in a big time conference.
JimmyYes and Utah will be playing Michigan and USC both of those
year along with Oregon, Stanford and the rest of the south. I believe that IS
the point.I'm not one that thinks that the rivalry should stop
though. I think the players (on both sides)are missing out on something special
that really cannot be matched. You gotta move on though.
Utah isn't dodging BYU as much as they are balancing. They play nine PAC 12
games, a BIG 12 game, and working on recruiting non conference games each year.
Utah can't play BYU consistently anymore. Northern Colorado is
Utah's one warm up game this year. They will have one each year. Who
doesn't have at least one of those. BYU had six of them last year and six
more this year. For Utah, when playing against better competition,
they can't put more week in and week out strain on the team relative to
schedule than they already have.When in the same conference, Utah
vs. BYU made sense in climatic November. It was a great rivalry and many of us
want that to continue. Truth is that the parameters have changed. Those with knowledge of the issue (both sides) understand what's really
at play here. Chris Hill can't spin it too much. He has been speaking in
generalities. Holmoe is being more bold because he is more desperate and needs
Utah more now. Still, I think he knows Hill's challenge. Obviously Holmoe
isn't ready to accept a 2 for 1.
I don't mind the rivalry going away. Maybe BYU could replace it with some
games against ASU or Arizona. Then I could go to the games when they are played
down here. As stated before in many articles, replaceing Utah in September is
not going to be difficult. Utah can't help us in November so I say goodbye.
I don't see anything wrong with Casteel's comments. BYU has always
accused Utah of being the little brother who is obsessed with them. BYU's
reaction to this whole thing has shown that the the shoe is now on the other
foot. If BYU were successful as an independent they wouldn't care
about Utah dropping them, because they would have so many other options
available. The fact that they hate BYU, constantly make up lies about how
mistreated they are by Utah fans, yet still can't let things go, show where
they are in the relationship. BYU is like that Ex girlfriend who shows up
at your door at midnight and says, "I just wanted you to know that I'm
so much better off without you, I'm dating lots of guys who are way better
looking than you. Breaking up with you was the best thing I ever did." (Yet
the whole time she stuffs her face with doughnuts.) BYU is the jilted ex lover.
They're not dropping BYU to play Michigan. They're dropping BYU so
they can pick up a lower division game. BYU's not a guaranteed win so they
need a guaranteed win if they're going to pick up a big boy team like
Michigan. Funny thing is Michigan hasn't done much over the last 5-10
years. Still a great tradition there but similar to ND in that they're
riding on some perception of history.
Joey KWhatever makes you feel better. Tell you what,
we'll work on a surprise ending for this final encounter on September 15th
and U work on finishing better than tied for 8th in a 12 team conference. Maybe
a surprise of your own against your new rival would be in order. I
won't lie, this after taste for the past 11 months has been bitter.
It's a gift we loyal Y fans hope to bequeath to U for the. Ext at least two
years. THEN, you'll quit with the stupid donut analogy and be the ones
cryin' "bring back THE game."
I definitely think the rivalry game is back on for a longtime if the pac12 goes
to 8 conference games like the other major conferences and like many pac 12
members prefer. Furthermore; it is my hope the big 10 PAC 12 deal blows up, USC
and Ohio St. hate the idea. I would much rather see the rivalry game than watch
the U play Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois or Northwestern.
@ Y Grad/Y DadUtah should finish better than 8th. But your comments,
though of the slamming variety, were still found to be worth a thumbs up by
me.After thinking about it, whoever wins the 2013 game will put a
world of hurt on the other going into the two year hiatus. Although in different
situations, I think both Utah and BYU need to win the rivalry game or games
coming up.Utah could lose, turn it around (realistic or not) and go
to the Rose Bowl. Right there, the September game wouldn't be that painful.
But if Utah finishes 8-4, even with their schedule, the season would be a
downer.If BYU loses, it probably ruins the season. However, despite
their 6 patsies, if the Cougars win five of the other 6 (not Utah), well then
their season has some proud merit. Still, second fiddle to a former little
brother know grown bigger would be humbling to say the least.BYU's odds of going 11-1 with the better six on their schedule are
probably similar to Utah in Pasadena (Rose Bowl). Bottom line, both
Utah and BYU need the win over each other.
gdog3finallyThanks for the reminder. Must be more civil, must be
Y Grad / Y Dad "Thanks Brent for quoting the company line...After all, U
should beat independent teams like BYU, ND..."He said "beat
independent teams like BYU." He didn't say Notre Dame. Notre Dame did
not invite BYU to the Independent Conference. There is no Independent
Conference. BYU quit their conference. That doesn't make BYU a Notre
Dame. Can anyone quit their conference and join Notre Dame's conference?
As soon as BYU is in a big conference, I am sure Utah and the PAC
will find a space for BYU each year. Until then, I am happy with Michigan.
Razzle2Oh, okay. Thanks for the interpretation. Because its
obvious Utah can't beat independent teams like Notre Dame. Your logic makes just about as much sense. I guess that's why u get it
and I don't. Look, personally, I don't care whether we
play Utah or not. Really. If we DO play u, I want to be there to see it. Even
if it is a train wreck. And I'm glad u guys are happy with your lot in
life. I'd be happy with your lot in life. But when u prop up
ur egos with inflated faulty logic, I just can't resist popping it. By the way, nice rant, but your supporting information has nothing to do
with the point at hand.
Mesa Coug:"As stated before in many articles, replaceing [sic]
Utah in September is not going to be difficult."Actually,
replacing the Indy-WACers on UTAH's schedule wasn't so difficult. On
the other hand, I'm not convinced you really DO have much in the way of
scheduling options -- even in September. Because if Sept. scheduling was such a
piece of cake, what happened with THIS September? Why are you playing Weber