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Utah and BYU football: Utes, Cougars Rivalry Game to take hiatus in 2014, 2015

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  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    This is great news for byu. Just think of all pickle juice byu will be able to drink to get ready for the big game in 2014.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    meh...

  • kswiss Norman, OK
    July 10, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    This is a shame

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 10, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    What a tragedy for the fans! Of course, both programs will survive without the game, but ending one of the best rivalries in college football is shameful. Hill will forever be remember as the one who ended the rivalry. I hope he's happy with his legacy.

  • Unca Bon OREM, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    I have mixed emotions about this. I don't mind it so much since the rivalry has reached unhealthy levels and will relieve at least some of the tension between the two teams. But college football is also missing out on one of the best rivalries in sports that often provided thrilling finishes. Best of luck to you Utes. Go Cougars!

  • ksmith Sacramento, CA
    July 10, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    Go USC Trojans! Beat the Utes.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    Awesome news for both programs. Make fans of both schools appreciate the amazing rivalry in a new light. Couldn't have come at a better time. On the other hand, can hardly wait until September. Ought to be an awesome showdown!

    All the best to both schools in the hiatus and beyond.

  • Natester Cedar Hills, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    That's a shame, it really is. I think saying "that's just the current landscape of college football" is just a cop-out. I'd be surprised if it's picked up in 2016 - it will be too easy to replace it with 'better options.' Sad to see. When will the craziness end? To think that all of this is in the name of "it's in the best interest of our school and our fan-base." Not sure whose best interest this is.

  • BYU_Aggie LOGAN, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Bailing on BYU and USU? Utah really has no sense of tradition or rivalry. I pity any Utah fan that actually cares about football.

    BYU and Utah won't play for a world war... and for joining the Pac-12.

    I guess those Utes are just nothing but the "big time" now.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    Sounds about right. They needed to make room for Michigan, and buying out Utah St in 2014 will allow us to have another home game, since we would only have 4 PAC 12 home games that year. I wish this was not the case. There is nothing that I love more than the UTAH vs yBu game every year, and beating them into the ground. My wife and I even made sure that we did not have our first kid during football season, so there was no conflict with this or any other game. This will only make the rivalry that much more intense. 2 years off, will only build the trash talking between teams.

  • NW Coug Provo, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Unfortunate but somewhat predictable. Decades and decades of a great rivalry just cast aside. What a shame but, again, not a surprise.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    Lame! College football having a playoff is a step in the right direction, but all the realignment garbage has ruined too many good traditions and rivalries. It doesn't make any sense at all. I mean San Diego in the Big East? and these are supposed to be institutions of higher learning. Institutions of greed if you ask me.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    BYU certainly has better options. Now why would I want to travel to Michigan again? Go Cougars and everyone else that Utah plays.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    Good news for college football fans in Utah. Let the rivalry continue.

    Go Utes! I can't wait for football season.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    Wow. The end of life as we know it must be near. Oh the agony! Weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth! Or, maybe duckhunter said it best: meh.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    July 10, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    It's good that Utah is getting to play UMich, the team BYU beat to seal its national championship.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    Bradleyc,

    They may have better options some years, but most years, not so much. You aren't going to get those great teams as of right now giving you home and home. Actually wins some games against ranked teams, or teams above .500 to end the year, then they might talk to you. Plus, your better options are only in Sept. You need better options throughout the year. Your schedule is WEAK!!!!

    In 2014 the UTES have home games with Stanford, Oregon, USC, and AZ, along with 2 other teams not scheduled. Probably both crap, but who cares when you have USC, Stanford and Oregon, Plus road games against Michigan, UCLA, AZ St, etc. That is a GREAT schedule. Having yBu at home to beat that year would be icing on the cake. I am sad to see the rivalry go away for a couple of years, but that is what's happening with college football. It is all about the money and power.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    Very disappointing. As a Ute season ticket holder, I always look forward to this game. I understand the reasons for discontinuing, but I feel that big money and conferences are taking the fun out of college football.

  • LoveTheNews Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    This is a shame and a testimony of director Hill's short-sightedness. The rivalry has been around much longer, and means much more to us fans and alumni than the short term thrill of a lucrative series against Michigan. Lets get real, if our conference foes are all PAC 12 schools, why do you need Michigan? I would rather keep the rivalry going. Because in years from now, noone will care about the Michigan games, but the exciting rivalry games of recent years will always be talked about.

  • SundanceKid27 OREM, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    Here is a video I made about this a couple of months ago.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    As seen already, this will only fuel the rivalry that much more. Both sides will be watching what the other is doing and then when they meet, it will be even more crazy than before. It is a bummer for the players that look forward to the clash each year though.

    Oh well, Utah will clash with USC each year now:)

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE
    Herriman, UT

    "we would only have 4 PAC 12 home games that year. I wish this was not the case. There is nothing that I love more than the UTAH vs yBu game every year, and beating them into the ground."

    --------

    Just out of curiosity, how many of those games did "you" actually play in? How many times did "you" beat anyone into the ground?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    Yawn.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    There we go. Who needs the Cougars anymore? The Utes have bigger, more relevant fish to fry...

    GO UTES!!

    Good luck padding up that Indy schedule Cougies!

  • romorg PROVO, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Heck, we should just rename the University UC-SLC.

  • coloradoblue Grand Junction, CO
    July 10, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    The rivalry has gotten out of hand as proven by the antics in the stands of the past couple of years and the poor sportsmanship portrayed. I love to hate Utah and look forward to each rivalry game but to be honest, with the game being played earlier in the season it doesn't have the same feel. Good luck Cougs! Show Utah what they will be missing!

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    The BYU U rivalry game should be cancelled forever. It has become a hate fest instead of spirited competition.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Oh well! I guess it's just the nature of the college football landscape.

    I hate for it to go. Surely the administration at Utah will see that the fans (the ones that donate and buy all that gear, food, tickets, watch television, radio, did I say donate?) will demand this rivalry to happen every year.

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    Funny how this board is flooded with Cougie fans crying out how bad Utah is for letting it go...

    did you Cougies not claim YOU didn't need US?

    BYU needs anybody right now for their schedule....

    anybody.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 10, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    "Hill will forever be remember as the one who ended the rivalry. I hope he's happy with his legacy."

    I'm certainly happy with his legacy. Utah continues to move onward and upward while BYU is left to scramble - yet again - for someone willing to play them. Maybe Tom Holmoe should call SW Missouri Tech...they may have a weekend available if BYU can offer them enough money.

    The only criticism I have of Dr. Hill in this situation is that he didn't cut BYU off completely, and we still have to deal with you in the other sports. The day Dr. Hill cements his legacy is the day he removes BYU from all schedules for all sports, forever.

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    Way to go Utes. If BYU want's the game on THEIR terms... who needs em? They have enough problems filling up their Indy schedule and THEY want to make the terms? High maintenance.

    Way to stick to your guns, it is NOW on UTAH's terms.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    The new "Rivalry:"

    BYU: So how about we play in 2013?

    Utah: Sure, nothing better scheduled yet.

    BYU: Can we lock in 2014 & 2015 now also?

    Utah: Awe that's sweet, but no. Michigan >>> BYU.

    BYU: Really? Seriously? How about 2016? Please, Please, Please say we can get you on our schedule for 2016, right? That Michigan series is over, the Big10 series doesn't start until 2017, can you squeeze us in? Please?

    Utah: I guess. Nothing better on the horizon yet that year.

    BYU: That's awesome, thanks guys. And just remember, if you get a slot opened up in 2014 or 2015, please give us a call. We badly need you on our schedule.

    Utah: Sure, we'll keep that in mind. Thanks for calling Tom.

    It's tough to see your place in the college football landscape forming before you eyes isn't it Cougar fans!

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    When we beat Michigan we will care and we will remember it for years to come.

  • romorg PROVO, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    @LoveTheNews

    Why do you need Michigan?

    Because UC-SLC now takes their marching orders from commissar Scott.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 10, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    No announcement from Holmoe?
    This show what we already knew. BYU needs the Utes. Not the other way around.

  • Honestly?Really? Hurricane, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Dearly beloved we gather here to day to mourn the death of a great national rivalry... actually I'm pretty ambivalent to this move... the Utes are bigtime now so they don't need the rivalry and most BYU fans will continue to resent the Utes recent success. I for one won't miss Playing the Utes. I find comfort in the fact that they will more often than not be a middle if the pack in the PAC 12.
    GO COUGARS!!!

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    "Cowards! There's no way they have simply moved on to bigger and better things and are doing what is obviously best for their program, they're just scared!"

    -jealous little brothers

  • IndyWACer 500 Eureka, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    BYU needs to realize the situation they put themselves in. That's fine with me if it takes them 2 years to do so. Those Novembers will get long and they will come begging...

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    Sweet. This means all the closet U fans who wear the Y shirts can cheer freely for the U.

    Also means that no U fan will cheer for the Y still.

  • THE MTN MAN Taylorsville, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    Someone explain this to me: Why not play BOTH Michigan and BYU in the same year? Like, host BYU in Salt Lake the same year Utah travels to Ann Arbor? Why wouldn't that work?

    Just too hard?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Rational,

    Enough of them to never have lost to them.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    If the Cougars don't get in a legit conference, the Utes will have to buy out the 2016 game too.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    Look on the bright side TDS - no more awful Ute fans throwing their beer on you. No more Ute cheer leaders beating your cheer leaders up. No more embarrassing losses to your "little brother" and no more red ties and sweaters at church after a loss.

    Dropping the rivalry is a tough call - tradition or the caustic environment the rivalry game has become. For Utah, playing the most prestigious schools as part of a prestigious conferences for 20M+ each year is better than playing more emotional games on the Mountain. At least Utah is not trading playing TDS for Idaho State, Fresno State, Utah State, etc.

    Hopefully uncouth and sometimes offensive Utah fans can learn some proper college football fan decorum from attending games at Michigan, Nebraska, Texas, Ohio, USC,and the other Pac12 schools.

    Honestly I loved the energy of the rivalry with friends and family, but the rivalry turned many people just plain nasty. Luckily for Utah there are greener pastures ahead.

    Good Luck to BYU
    GO UTES!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 10, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    byU should be happy with this announcement!! They now have the potential for one less loss in those years, so that by the time they get through the rough patch of Idaho, Idaho St., NMSU, SJSU, etc., they may have the chance of sneaking into the top 25 again and qualifying for yet another meaningless, preordained bowl game. Yipee!!

    It is indeed great to be a Ute and relevant!!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 10, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    BYU needs this game more than Utah. With 9 conference games, there's no room on the schedule for BYU. I hate to see the game go; but both fan bases have become so hateful; it's probably for the best.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    July 10, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    Booooo Utah. The ball was in your court and you dropped it. BYU carried your program for two decades and this is the best you can do? You should have stood up for the rivalry but I guess the PAC 12 is your daddy now. Well best of luck to you, being in the PAC is great, but this is just as bad as an onside kick when your up by 40.

    So since you backed out of those games I guess BYU wins by forfeit. Thanks.

  • SoCalTrueBlue2 San Diego, CA
    July 10, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    This is not a decision by Utah to play against Michigan instead of BYU. It is a choice not to play both Michagan and BYU in the same seasons. In other words, Utah is admitting that BYU is too strong of an opponent to add to its non-conference schedule along with Michigan during 2014 and 2015. Sad, sad day for both Utah and BYU fans.

  • chazzmichaelmichaels Taylorsville, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    Re: @Juice Box.. Its fans like you that arent really fans. You dont care about the game so much as you care about sticking it to the "other team". Maybe thats why this rivalry has gotten so nasty. Have some class. Look at Notre Dame fans. Even when they lose, they have class.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    Don't flatter yourself owl. Why should Holmoe need to announce that Chris Hill has canceled these games? The whole jist of this article is, "Utah thinks they're all that and more." Thanks for dissing on the Aggies. USU would have thumped the jogging utes in Romney Stadium.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    Ahh..Too bad.. Now the Duck won't have to hide in Tulsa.. if you believe that crock.
    BYU should be happy as there would have been more double digit losses om their Top Ten goal.
    The Yners should all be breathing a sigh of relief.
    I do hate to see the rivalry go , but maybe a couple years of cooling off may actually bring some ethical awareness to the Ute haters.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 10, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    I sensed this would be the case. There is just no way to play BYu in 2014 at all. I think Dr. Hill was very nice not to demand a 2 for 1 deal from BYu however, but understandable. Additionally, playing USU, a rising program, seems to me as the right fit for the mighty Utes and our fans for the future. BYu continues to be problematic and their fan base, for the most part, is awful. Gooooooo Utes!

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    anyone one posting today want cheese with your whine?

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    July 10, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    @ THE MTN MAN

    "Someone explain this to me: Why not play BOTH Michigan and BYU in the same year? Like, host BYU in Salt Lake the same year Utah travels to Ann Arbor? Why wouldn't that work?"

  • Vegas Las Vegas, NV
    July 10, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    Chris Hill should be ashamed of himself destroying this rivalry and backing out of playing another in state rival.

  • Devin American Fork, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    Way to go Utah. We're glad to see you have no sense of tradition or rivalry. Way to throw away one of the best rivalries in college football with a 116 year tradition. I hope michigan crushes you both years. Shame on you chris hill and whittingham, we all knew it was always about the money.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 10, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    Good! This will bring hope and change to the utes. Let's cancel another thirty years.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    Let's see, the Utes will play USU in these years, but not BYU. My first thought is "gutless", but my overriding thought is, "If it means getting rid of the utterly stupid expression, 'holy war', then I'm all for it!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 10, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    @ Scott Farcus,

    They need some crackers to go with the cheese and whYne as well. HAHAHAHA!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 10, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    U Wimps

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 10, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    Time to take up the Utah State rivalry again. You remember the Aggies don't you? They are the ones you dropped like a red hot stove a few years ago and are now demanding two-for-ones from. What goes around comes around.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    July 10, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    "Booooo Utah. The ball was in your court and you dropped it".

    You see JD Tractor, when you belong to a major conference like the Pac-12. You get to play big time schools every year. Utah wants to play the best teams every year. What does Utah do? They schedule Michigan (storied football program) home and home. Only major conference schools can schedule home and home with other major schools. But you being a fan of a mid major school, you wouldn't understand that. LOL.

    "BYU carried your program for two decades and this is the best you can do?"

    And Utah carried your program for 4+ decades before the 70's and Utah carried your program for the last 10 years. Utah was busting the BCS and establishing our program in the modern BCS era. While your silly school in Provo was collecting their BCS money from Utah's hard work. BYU sure has fallen off a cliff since Edwards retired!

    "You should have stood up for the rivalry but I guess the PAC 12 is your daddy now".

    No, we like our sugar daddy! Thank you commissioner Scott! We'll enjoy our $20+ million. LOL.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    @ Scott Farcus,

    Don't forget a few donuts. Nothing better than eating away your pain. Good one!

  • Natester Cedar Hills, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    To Ute fans:

    So your beloved Urban Meyer and Alex Smith were wrong when they reported last week that it would be a "major mistake" to interupt this rivalry, huh? For decades, all Ute fans could say about BYU fans is that they were 'holier than thou.' As a Cougar fan, I would have to admit there was probably some truth to that, over the years. Look in the mirror Utes. Brushing USU and BYU off your schedule in the face of heavy opinion from some Ute heroes of yesteryear smacks of Mr. Hill making decisions with the blinders on. Who looks 'holier than thou' now?

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    BYU pretty much just plays WAC teams anymore anyway,Utes have much bigger fish to fry...

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 10, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    I think the Y fans need to simmer down the jealous rhetoric a wee bit. College football is evolving quickly these days. Utah has a very demanding schedule now and BYu is an afterthought, actually a non-factor for Utah. I think if BYu was EVER nice to people they wouldn't have been left in the dust. But, they weren't and have been left out to pasture........all by themselves. What comes around, goes around BYu fans.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    As much as I loved owning BYU over the last decade, I think I can live with Hills legacy:

    2014:
    HOME: USC, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona
    ROAD: Michigan, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington State

    2015:
    HOME: Michigan, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, UCLA, Utah State
    ROAD: USC, Oregon, California, Washington, Arizona

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    Glad the rivalry is taking a break. Fans not handling the rivalry very well. Can't even talk about it with co-workers anymore. Two years off may not be enough.

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    I actually agree with the more logical Cougar fans in that I am a strong believer in playing tough teams and Mr. Hill has admitted, per Bill and Hans on the radio, that the schedules in the two years of the hiatus are strong enough. That is complete trash. Play Michigan and BYU. A team that desires to be great should desire to play anyone, anywhere, anytime. I love the fact that we play a tough schedule. Why duck the Cougars in an attempt to soften the schedule? Not good in my opinion. Show up. Man up.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    July 10, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Wow! A'lot of Y'ners out today! DNews has an article a while ago about Tom Holmoe and Bronco saying the "Ball is in Utah's court". Well, Chris Hill has made the tough decision for the better of Utah Athletics. We're proud of you Dr. Hill for taking the bull by the horns and dropping this silly rivalry that has no relevance on our schedule anymore. The Utah-BYU rivalry was a great one. But now that both schools are not in the same conference. The meaning of the rivalry has changed. Utah has a lot to play for now and BYU does not!

    Call us cowards all you want Y'ners! But, until U beat us. Your trash talking is nothing but hot air. Go Utes!!!

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    I'm excited to see what both schools do to increase their exposure, which is what both schools claim to want. Seeing the likes of Michigan vs Utah as well as Texas vs BYU are exciting substitutes for BYU vs Utah.

  • jonnyboy Orem, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    I don't think the rivalry would be interrupted if the PAC12 played an 8-game conference schedule. In that vein, if the PAC12 goes to an 8-game schedule to be more competitive with the B1G and SEC I believe the rivalry would be renewed without interruption.

  • Bob Santaquin, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    BYU fans, lets not forget this, lets put it on Hill! Hill did it, Hill did it, Hill did it! Hill's legacy! Personally, I don't care if BYU ever played Utah again! All of BYU's games are now on National TV, two of Utah's games??? Then there's all those replays--- And the very hint of the idea that BYU offered Utah a piece of the BYUtv pie makes me----retch! Lol, Im sure glad Utah got the better deal chortle, snort, chuckle,LOL----- I can hardly wait for the day when both teams are scheduled to play different foes on the same day, same hour in Utah. Which school really owns the Utah market will show up vividly on that day----

    Bob

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    I hate to see the rivalry fade but we all saw this coming when Utah was invited to join the PAC-12 and BYU wasn't.

    If the shoe were on the other foot and BYU was now part of the PAC-12 and Utah had been left behind, BYU would be taking the same steps with their schedule.

    Good luck to both programs.

    Go UTES!!

  • Alaskan Ute Fairbanks, AK
    July 10, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    I grew up with the rivalry, in fact my mom got hit with a bottle in the 50's attending the game with my dad - presumably from a BYU fan. Sure, there has been plenty of poor behavior from U fans too. Inappropriate at times, yes, on both sides, but most of the time it was manageable. With rivalries, emotions are high and things happen. I love the back-and-forth with BYU fans at Church, the whole thing. This Ute fan is extremely disappointed. I feel like a rich part of my past is going away. I am excited about our future, but wish it included the "Holy War."

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    Bob
    Santaquin, UT

    Need a tissue?

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 10, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    @ chazzmichaelmichaels

    "Its fans like you that arent really fans. You dont care about the game so much as you care about sticking it to the 'other team'. Maybe thats why this rivalry has gotten so nasty".

    It goes both ways! It's fans of both BYU and Utah that like to stick it to each other. That is why the rivalry is so heated. Quit blaming just Utah fans for this!

    "Have some class. Look at Notre Dame fans. Even when they lose, they have class".

    Notre Dame fans are a true example of good sportsmanship. I think every school needs a fan base as classy as Notre Dame's fans. BYU in particular needs to show more class because it's their fans behavior that reflects on the LDS church. I'm a true believer that good sportsmanship is needed in all sports.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    Yo Bob- Careful there buddy. All that chortling, snorting, chuckling, LOLing makes you sound a little delirious. Not to worry my friend. Utah's games will be on the PAC12 network on national tv from now on.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Brocno owns the You so it makes sense for them.

  • football43 Morgan, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    I can honestly say I care less if we do not play the Utes. I know Holmoe will bring somebody to fill the vacant spot that I will enjoy watching. As a season ticket holder I can think of at least 30 teams I would rather see at LES than the Utes. Talking to the Florida State before and after the games was an amazing contrast to the vitriol you experience with the brash Utah fans. My prediction is that in the next few weeks BYU will announce an addition to the schedule that will fill the spot left by the Utes for those years. As far as I am concerned I hope the rivalry is over.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    July 10, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    At the end of the day, BYU still has the bigger fan base and the week-in-week-out national TV exposure. Utah's having its wank of joining a "power" conference at the exclusion of BYU--now let's see it avoid settling into perpetual Pac-12 doormat-hood in a year or two. BYU can beat OSU, Wazoo, and U-Dub....

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    Look on the bright side Cougar fans. BYU can now schedule a team that will improve BYU's strength of schedule.

  • n8rix Gilbert, AZ
    July 10, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    I wonder if USC and Stanford will stop playing USC now because their schedule will be too difficult. Hill just tarnished his Legacy in one bold, dumb decision. Maybe he should have asked the players if they wanted to play BYU. I doubt the U players would have said, "no that will make our schedule too difficult."

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    How's Dr. Hill doing with the other sports? He is, after all, the athletic director, not just a football guy. Seems like the other sports are all in the middle of the pack (the Red Rocks rock, but that's about it, isn't it). Oh, and then there's basketball...talk about exciting: The runnin' Utes are running right off the floor and out of the program.

    I'm one Coug that can do without the Utes. I will root for them casually, glad to know when they win, but will only read the headlines. I won't miss the rivalry game at all. I wish them well and I think the Cougs will make their way just fine.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    shortsighted

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    July 10, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Whatever.

  • n8rix Gilbert, AZ
    July 10, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    I meant to say. I wonder if USC and Stanford will stop playing Notre Dame because their schedule will be too hard.

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    baaaawk, bawk bawk bawk!!

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Chris Hill kills 100 years of tradition- I think this call for a 'Max was right.'

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 10, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    I have grown weary with the bad blood of the rivalry but will admit to feeling empty with the official word of no game on tap in 2014 and 2015.

    Life goes on though. Go Utes and sometimes Cougars.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 10, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - "College football is evolving quickly these days. Utah has a very demanding schedule now."

    Arizona State, UCLA, Northern Colorado, Arizona, Colorado, Washington St, Utah State, Oregon State - Wow! I see what you mean, this is a very demanding schedule. Lol. Somehow, I don't think any team in the Top 25 would see this a a demanding schedule. But for a team that hasn't finished in the Top 25 for a long time, it probably is a demanding schedule.

    Don't worry UHA, someday you'll get there.

  • WHS FAN SARATOGA SPRINGS, UT
    July 10, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    Good riddance! I won't miss BYU in the least. Good job Chris Hill. Go UTES!

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    Smart planning by the utes. Losing to BYU will not enhance their reputation. Perhaps if they continue to lower their eligibility requirements they can recruit SEC-style.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 10, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    Don't put all the blame on Hill.... lets not forget Holmoe could have prevented this by agreeing to a 2 for 1

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    The time machine worked, although something doesn't seem right?

    Utah 1985 fans are now BYU 2012 fans! Everything is upside down.

    If you take every BYU fan response on this site and back-date it to 1985, it will be exactly what Utah fans would have been saying had mighty BYU decided to stop the rivalry game. When they were the top dogs, the largest fan base, the best football program, the team people around the country know about. Had they drop the game back then, Utah fans would have cried, complained, called BYU chicken, etc. While BYU fans would have said big deal, we don't need Utah on the schedule.

    Yeah Cougar fans, that is where you program sits today. You have relegated yourself to Utah 1985.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    July 10, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    That the rivalry game would go away, along with Utah State, reflects badly on Utah. But predictable given the horrible state of college football right now. However, doing so for Michigan is just stupid. Something that should NEVER happen in college football is for the same teams to play twice in the same season. And any games between the Big Ten and the PAC 12 during the regular season should not occur. The only way they play should be the Rose Bowl.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 10, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    JD Tractor said, "Booooo Utah. The ball was in your court and you dropped it. BYU carried your program for two decades and this is the best you can do?"

    JD, please explain how BYU carried Utah for the past 2 decades because I didn't see any BYU players at the Sugar or Fiest bowls. However I did see a few Y players at the 54-10 game :).

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    chris hill has been a whimp for years. he has been the luckiest AD in the country. not that many years ago alumni wanted him out. i suspect that is coming again soon.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 10, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    Bob from Santquin,

    You do understand that in a few years Utah's TV revenue will be about 4 time more than BYU's ($32MM vs. $8MM). A piece of the BYU TV pie sounds really nice Bob but I think Utah will stick with their current gig. Thanks

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    Now with Utah off the schedule we can add one of the many schools that have been lining up to play us.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    July 10, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    So which is better? Utah in the PAC 12 or (soon) BYU in the Big 12/16 with Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, TCU... in the end both schools will get a great deal and the State of Utah will benefit.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    July 10, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    A sad day for Utah.

    Would USC not play UCLA?
    Michigan not play Ohio State?
    Navy not play Army?
    Florida not play Georgia?
    Texas not play Oklahoma?

    Unthinkable!

    That's because legacy programs value traditions.

    Like Notre Damme playing USC and Stanford every year.

    The new-kid-on-the-block legacy-program wannabe just layed a huge egg because he doesn't understand traditions.

  • Stenar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    HURRAH! Let's schedule other big teams often.

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    July 10, 2012 5:39 p.m.

    This will help the Utes on their quest for the perpetual 5-6 to 6-5 Season

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    July 10, 2012 5:51 p.m.

    The appropriate way to fix this in the years ahead will be for Holmoe to insist Utah give 2 for 1 when Utah comes begging to play again.

  • cougarfanzz american fork, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:51 p.m.

    Yewts running scared. BYU will play anyone anytime. Michigan hasnt been good forever.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    This one is solely on Chris Hill if he really wanted the rivalry to continue every year he could of made it happen, BYU was and is more then willing to keep it going. The build up from 2013 to 2016 ought to be interesting to see, maybe a break is what is needed but I would much rather see it continue to be played every year.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    Hey U 90, you're right to look for the Utes to have a bright future with their New Rival---Colorado!!

  • dden45 Provo, Utah
    July 10, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    Any BYU or Utah fan that does not see this as a TRAGEDY, is not a true fan of their respective team. It's not about any one team not needing another. Neither team needs each other. It's about tradition. The quest for the almighty dollar is killing what has made college football so great.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 10, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    "Arizona State, UCLA, Northern Colorado, Arizona, Colorado, Washington St, Utah State, Oregon State - Wow! I see what you mean, this is a very demanding schedule".

    If you think Utah's 2012 schedule is weak. Let's look at BYU's demanding 2012 schedule. Washington State (for some reason you cougie fans like to mock them), Weber State, Hawaii, Utah State, Oregon State (again, why mock them when your playing them too?), Idaho, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. That is one weak SOS! LOL.

    "I don't think any team in the Top 25 would see this a a demanding schedule. But for a team that hasn't finished in the Top 25 for a long time, it probably is a demanding schedule".

    Ditto, but more so to BYU's schedule! LOL

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    July 10, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    U 90 said...
    Corona, CA
    JD Tractor said, "Booooo Utah. The ball was in your court and you dropped it. BYU carried your program for two decades and this is the best you can do?"

    JD, please explain how BYU carried Utah for the past 2 decades because I didn't see any BYU players at the Sugar or Fiest bowls. However I did see a few Y players at the 54-10 game :).

    JD does not have his History right... there was a 20 year Lavell Edwards period where BYU clearly dominated Utah in Football. I also remember vividly a 55-7 shellacking of the jogging Utes as a Freshman in 1983. Steve Young tore them up!

    here is the 20 Year BYU dominance

    1972-1992

    In the early Years Utah owned BYU until the 70's.

    Now Utah has a 19 year significantly dominant period although BYU has won 7 of 19... soon to be 8 of 20, while Utah only won 2 out of the 20 Edwards years

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 10, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    BYU will be playing Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, and West Virginia.

    Why would anyone be sad to see Utah go bye, bye?

    College football will soon be evolving to independence, and conferences will be dissolving. Mark my words, it's in the cards as technology progresses, and conferences won't be needed. The day will come when USC and the likes won't want to carry the Utah's of the conference.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 10, 2012 6:19 p.m.

    esodije
    ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    At the end of the day, BYU still has the bigger fan base and the week-in-week-out national TV exposure. Utah's having its wank of joining a "power" conference at the exclusion of BYU--now let's see it avoid settling into perpetual Pac-12 doormat-hood in a year or two. BYU can beat OSU, Wazoo, and U-Dub....

    _____________________

    At the end of the day, a bigger fan base and national exposure with low ratings will not get you into the playoffs.
    Try winning against Utah and quality opponents for a change to get noticed. A WAC legacy will get you nowhere.

    And you are 6-9 all time against San Jose St!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    July 10, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    ND95CA, nice piece of melodrama. News flash, USC - UCLA, Georgia-Florida, Texas-Oklahoma, Michigan - Ohio State are all in the same conference so of course they play each other. Too funny. And in the case of Notre Dame, BYU is no Notre Dame. As to the Service Academies, that is a whole other enchilada as they each want to win the commander and chief trophy and to do so they have to play each other. Pray tell what became of Texas vs. Texas A&M, Nebraska vs. Oklahoma if you are going to claim such schools would never end such a storied rivalries; nice try.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 10, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    ND95CA.

    Many of the schools you listed automatically have to play each other if they are in the same conference.
    They don't have a choice.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    July 10, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    26 out of the last 40.

    Maybe chickenhawks can be their new mascot when General Scott and the Stanford/Cal groups demand that they not be the Utes anymore.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 10, 2012 6:30 p.m.

    BYU will play anyone anytime cougarfanzz?

    Yeah right. New Mexico St, Idaho and the rest really make us look good.
    We are going to before forced into scheduling D2 schools in the future.

    I don't look forward to that. Schools like James Madison & App St could beat BYU.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 10, 2012 6:40 p.m.

    @ cougarfanzz

    "Yewts running scared. BYU will play anyone anytime".

    "Utes" running scared? Dude! 54-10, 7 of 10, 55-34-4. Utah owns BYU and it's not even close!

    "Michigan hasnt been good forever".

    Didn't Michigan go 11-2 last year and beat Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl? I believe Michigan was a very good team last year.

    Gotta love these desperate kitty cat fans!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Everyone ragging on Chris Hill needs to understand that he is performing for the PAC 12. It's payback time to the conference for greasing the schedule so Utah could play in the inagural PAC 12 play-off game. Only trouble is the Ute's laid an egg in SLC be losing BIG TIME to Colorado but now they still have to pay the piper the proverbial pound-of-flesh, bowing to the whims of the conference. That's what happens when you sell your soul---someone else tells you what to do and you're powerless to do anything different. With the big home-and-home with Michigan there will be yet another excuse to empty RES at half-time.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    July 10, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    I love people hitting the overreact button on this. I think tradition is the most overrated argument in sports. Now, I think Utah could continue to play BYU because they are rapidly becoming the Louisiana Lafayette of the west. Good grief. My Utes have taken 7 of 10 and last year was. 44 point beat down in RES with a one armed quarterback. Look, overwrought BYU fans, just cause it takes your biggest game of the year off your schedule doesn't mean we we need to kowtow to tradition and rivalry. The Utah goal is bigger than that. And to the shortsighted Utah fans, it isn't 20 years ago. Beating BYU is like beating Northern Colorado. It matters nothing and is one of the 3 least important games of the season..

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 10, 2012 7:07 p.m.

    Time for change, and no time like the present. Out side of the state of Utah the U of U is that add on team that rounded out the pac 10 to the pac 12 nothing national about the utes.

    BYU has plenty of national and international recognition. With the LDS Church as its foundation and the ESPN contract exsposure BYU for good or ill is much bigger draw.

    Sorry Utah, other then the local Utah fans thats about it.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 10, 2012 7:13 p.m.

    What ! I am a huge BYU fan and I say good bye, fairwell, adios, aloha and good ridins.

    Who needs the utes. Oh yeah the pac 10 to round up to 12 yep they needed more weak teams to fit with the Washington State Cougars, Beavers, Buff's and now the door mat Utes.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 10, 2012 7:19 p.m.

    @ worf

    "BYU will be playing Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, and West Virginia".

    Where are the home and home series with these schools? Don't "legacy and storied" programs get home and home series with other "legacy and storied" programs?

    "College football will soon be evolving to independence, and conferences will be dissolving. Mark my words, it's in the cards as technology progresses, and conferences won't be needed. The day will come when USC and the likes won't want to carry the Utah's of the conference".

    Don't get your hopes up! All the elite schools will remain in conferences. There is a lot of money to be made being apart of a major conference. With the College Football post season evolving to a Final Four playoff and contracts are being signed with their respected elite bowl games. Schools will be foolish to leave a major conference and go Indy. Only Notre Dame can pull off Independence because of their whole history of being independent.

  • adelman provo, UT
    July 10, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    This is common sense for the Utes, why risk a loss to an excited Byu team when they have a chance to play higher quality teams. It goes both ways, Byu refuses to play UVU in basketball because it would look horrible for them if they lost to School in a tiny conference, when honestly they could have an awesome rivalry between schools that are only 10 minutes apart. It is not worth to Byu. The same goes for Utah, why continue to play Byu when they are getting more money to play schools that have more national attention and will give them a better shot at a championship and also continue the growth that has just started at the U.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    July 10, 2012 7:30 p.m.

    Mediocrity moves on. Let's hope that the "fans" follow.

    Go Buffs!

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    July 10, 2012 7:36 p.m.

    I hope to see the rivalry continue, but as a Ute fan I really want to see a national championship. The two BCS bowl years showed that Utah can compete at the highest level. Adding a team like Michigan to the schedule gives the Utes an opportunity to legitimize their program as one of the best in the country and play for the national championship. Playing BYU does not.

    One of the key reasons that the rivalry was so intense was due to the fact that it was often a winner take all affair, whether that meant a conference championship, bigger bowl game, etc. That element of the rivalry is now gone and the reasons for continuing it far less compelling.

    If Utah finds themselves undefeated going into the last game or with one loss and still in the hunt for a national championship. I want the team they play to give them the best chance of playing for a national title. If that team is not BYU then so be it.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 10, 2012 7:41 p.m.

    ND95CA "Would USC not play UCLA? Michigan not play Ohio State? Navy not play Army? Florida not play Georgia? Texas not play Oklahoma? Unthinkable!"

    All of these examples are of teams fighting for position in the same conference, except for the Indy's. No conference position for BYU makes it not so attractive anymore.

    Let me help you out. Florida/Florida State are most likely the most spirited rivalry in the country that is not two teams in the same conference. Why? Because Florida State hates the SEC and the toot'n Seminoles. Florida State has to prove every year that the ACC is as tough as the SEC. Can you imagine the rivalry we could have in Utah if BYU joined the Big 10? It would be beautiful. BYU - sell whatever it takes and get a conference to brag about.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 10, 2012 7:43 p.m.

    worf said:

    "BYU will be playing Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, and West Virginia.

    Why would anyone be sad to see Utah go bye, bye?

    College football will soon be evolving to independence, and conferences will be dissolving. Mark my words, it's in the cards as technology progresses, and conferences won't be needed. The day will come when USC and the likes won't want to carry the Utah's of the conference."

    Here we go again with the manifest destiny of follow BYU to independence mantra.
    Not going to happen. Schools are tied to conferences in more than just football. Have you every heard of other sports and academics?

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    Well, I guess all good things end someday. So the new rivalry for Utah is really Colorado? This is like when a new company takes over and scales back the Christmas bonus from a $500 gift card to a 'Seasons Greetings' card, left on your desk with the usual corporate drivel. Lame, lame, lame. There is nothing waiting at the end of the season for either fan base anymore. For Ute fans, it's the glimmer of hope of a possible Rose Bowl (but probably Sun Bowl) birth and for BYU fans, it's more 'exposure' whatever THAT means. Again, lame.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 10, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    17-14 Hurts Don't It?
    Springville, UT
    Mediocrity moves on. Let's hope that the "fans" follow.

    Go Buffs!

    ____________

    Meiocrity did move on. BYU went independent!
    And both Colorado & Utah will make more money in the PAC than BYU with its whimpy ESPN contract.

    Go San Jose St!
    9-6 all time against BYU.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 10, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    Don't be fooled - Michigan is not replacing BYU on the Utah schedule. Northern Colorado or Montana State or Idaho will be the replacement game. I hope Ute fans enjoy watching their Utes beat up on the cupcakes, knowing they could have had a game against a real team.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    July 10, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    What a shame. College sports were great at one time. Then the greed set in. Mid major and small market BCS schools have no chance to compete. Shame on the NCAA. Best of luck to BYU and the U. The way things are now, both schools are going to need it. When the day comes soon, both schools are going to be sucking for air when the stands are half full and there is no chance for at least one sure sellout. Sad day for Utah. All the other big boys kept their rivalry games and the state of Utah gave up on theirs. SEC wins again.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 10, 2012 8:36 p.m.

    " I hope Ute fans enjoy watching their Utes beat up on the cupcakes, knowing they could have had a game against a real team."

    And who would that team be...... are you talking about Utah State? Can't think who that other team would be....

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 10, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    I Bleed Blue
    Las Vegas, NV
    What a shame. College sports were great at one time. Then the greed set in. Mid major and small market BCS schools have no chance to compete. Shame on the NCAA. Best of luck to BYU and the U. The way things are now, both schools are going to need it. When the day comes soon, both schools are going to be sucking for air when the stands are half full and there is no chance for at least one sure sellout. Sad day for Utah. All the other big boys kept their rivalry games and the state of Utah gave up on theirs. SEC wins again.

    _______________________

    Not true. Other big boys did not keep their rivalries. Here are two.

    Texas vs Texas A&M is over.
    Kansas vs Missouri is also done.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 10, 2012 8:50 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson,

    It'll be a few years.

    Why would USC, Stanford, UCLA, or Oregon want to carry the utes? Money is a big issue with Utah, and a few others being a burden. Changes in television broadcasting revenue will lead to the utes being dumped. They won't be as kind as BYU, who carried them for several decades.

    This will happen. College football in changing.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 10, 2012 8:52 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX
    Don't be fooled - Michigan is not replacing BYU on the Utah schedule. Northern Colorado or Montana State or Idaho will be the replacement game. I hope Ute fans enjoy watching their Utes beat up on the cupcakes, knowing they could have had a game against a real team.

    _________________________

    LOL!
    San Jose St, New Mexico St. and Idaho are excited to play a real team. Or so they think. For some reason BYU keeps scheduling cupcakes. I hope BYU fans enjoy watching the cougars beat them up. Because that is the schedule of their future.

    Go Spartans!
    9-6 lifetime against BYU.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    July 10, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    Chicken

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 10, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    worf said:

    "Bleed Crimson,

    It'll be a few years.

    Why would USC, Stanford, UCLA, or Oregon want to carry the utes? Money is a big issue with Utah, and a few others being a burden. Changes in television broadcasting revenue will lead to the utes being dumped. They won't be as kind as BYU, who carried them for several decades.

    This will happen. College football in changing."

    Keep dreaming snickerdoodles.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 10, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    17-14 hurts don't it....I think 54-10 would hurt much worse!!!! Come back down to earth!

  • Tennessee Ute Chattanooga, TN
    July 10, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Boo on you, the U...
    Now what are we gonna do
    Without a regular opportunity to destroy BYU.
    No other win provides as much joy as does their defeat
    Nor near enough heartache and anger and pain when we get beat.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 10, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Coug fanin TX ....BYU plays tons of WAC teams Utes play one cupcake the first game of the year...Your thinking is so flawed.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    @pocyUte

    Interesting that you talk about the nothingness of beating BYU and compare it to beating Northern Colorado. Speaking of beating a team from that state, how about regular Colorado? How'd Utah fare against them? Did it mean anything, like a better record, a successful ride along a greased path to the PAC 12 Inagural Payoff Game, or any respect from around the country? Was the game in SLC? Remind me again, wasn't it less than 50 yards total offense in the first half (for the migthty Utes and their wizard offensive coordinator- Norm Chow)? Hadn't Colorado gone winless on the road for 4 years?

    That's Utah's new true rival---Colorado. Let's see you beat them consistently in the future. Right now in PAC 12 play you're 0 - 1 against the Buffalos, a real poor performer of late and you lost to them at home. Of course all that came flashing back when you said..."Colorado." Thanks for the memories.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 10, 2012 9:51 p.m.

    This is a short sighted decision that Utah will live to regret. With no chance of winning a conference championship, what else will Utah have to play for? You've certainly enjoyed having bragging rights over BYU for the past year when you had nothing else to brag about in a very mediocre season. Since the majority of BYU fans are not originally from Utah, the game really doesn't mean any more to us than playing some other random mediocre team. BYU has played and beaten PAC 12 teams for many years so no big deal if we play Utah or not. Now what is exciting is looking at a schedule that has Notre Dame, Texas, West Virginia, Nebraska, Georgia Tech and others of their ilk on the schedule. Yeah, yeah, we all know that there are some patsies from the WAC on the schedule but we also all know that the schedule will be including more high caliber programs and less and less patsies so don't bother repeating the useless blather about Idaho, NMSU, SJSU etc. BYU's strength of schedule going forward will continue to be similar if not better than Utah's, with or without them.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    @Mountainman56

    With no chance of winning a conference championship, what else will Utah have to play for?

    -----------

    Alamo, Holiday, Sun bowls vs. Big 12/ACC teams for starters.

    What about BYU? Tier-3 bowl vs. CUSA.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    July 10, 2012 10:37 p.m.

    Obviously the Utes have bigger fish to fry than our little (WAC) brothers down south.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 10:37 p.m.

    Razzle2
    Bluffdale, UT

    Let me help you out. Florida/Florida State are most likely the most spirited rivalry in the country that is not two teams in the same conference. Why? Because Florida State hates the SEC and the toot'n Seminoles. Florida State has to prove every year that the ACC is as tough as the SEC.
    ---------

    Given Florida State has been National Champions twice and played for the Championship three other times, they hardly need to "prove" themselves. Their fans, and Florida's fans, would riot if someone tried to stop their rivalry game.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 10, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Amazing the sour grapes that emerge when your team isn't calling the shots. If BYU can ever build a schedule like ND then the fans can whine all they want about Utah being 'chicken'. Better schedule for the Y this year but drop 4 of the lower tier teams, add 4 more big names and then you can talk. I am happy playing USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, and Michigan (plus 6 more PAC 12 teams) if that means dropping the Y from the schedule.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    July 10, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    I don't get it. Florida State and Florida are both in big time conferences and yet find a way to play each year. This rivalry needs to continue. This saddens me as a college football fan.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    July 10, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    Too Smart?

    You're really reaching aren't you?

    54-10 must still hurt

    7 of the last 10, 55-34-4

    Thanks for the memories.
    LOL

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    July 10, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX
    " I hope Ute fans enjoy watching their Utes beat up on the cupcakes, knowing they could have had a game against a real team ".
    Like those spankings of 54-10, 48-24, 31-17 against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl on CBS PRIME TIME !! Now that's a REAL team.
    Not the New Mexico States of yesteryear.
    Should be interesting to watch next years 2013 fire sale recruitment no stars play in Moscow.. Idaho that is.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 10, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    adelman

    "This is common sense for the Utes, why risk a loss to an excited BYU team when they have a chance to play higher quality teams. It goes both ways, BYU refuses to play UVU in basketball"

    One of the dumbest comments ever made on these blogs.

    BYU not playing UVU in any sport isn't even remotely in the same universe as Utah not playing BYU in football. The BYU-Utah rivalry was decades old before UVU even existed.

    The reason Utah is running away from BYU is because, as Chris Hill said,

    "I did not think we're good enough to play Michigan and BYU in the same year."

  • MormonUte Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2012 11:15 p.m.

    I am a huge Ute fan, but I think this is a horrible decision. The rivalry is sometimes very ugly and blown out of proportion, and although neither side really "needs" the game, what about the fans? Win or lose, I want to see BYU on the schedule every year. I. want to enjoy the good natured ribbing at work, at church, and even at home, where my wife and 3 young daughters are all hard core Cougar fans. There is no good reason to take a break in this game. Utah has won 7 of the last 10, and even the painful losses on last second plays hurt, it was still fun. From a fan's standpoint, I feel we are all losing on this one. I do not agree with Chris Hill at all. I want to see a good schedule. The best part of last year, the first in the PAC 12 was that I didn't really know if the Utes would win from week to week. Didn't we leave the MWC to not play the Wyomings, New Mexicos, and UNLVs of the world? What is Dr. Hill thinking?

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    July 10, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    Shame. Generally speaking over the past two decades, these have been some of the best games I've seen played in college football. I'm wondering how the players feel...

    Plus, I can't stand the Wolverines (UM, of course, no hate to UVU)---doesn't make for a good trade in my opinion.

    As a Utah Alum (BS-2000), this is one decision for which I don't agree with Dr. Hill.

    Some Y fans will say Utah is "chicken" and BYU can now schedule "better" opponents.
    Some U fans will claim Utah is now one of the "big boys" and have moved on.

    I say hogwash. Money has spoken and driven these two "brothers" apart.

    I suppose there's always hope for 2016.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 10, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    It'll be funny when USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon leave the Pac, and the conference degrades into a MWC. Big money will make independence look attractive to alot of named programs, and BYU is in a good situation.

    With big money, and new television technology, these teams aren't going to support the utes, and other low tier pac teams. Mark it down.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2012 11:53 p.m.

    eagle lamented "I don't get it. Florida State and Florida are both in big time conferences and yet find a way to play each year."

    The better comparison is Oklahoma and Tulsa. OU is a BCS school which doesn't play mid-major Tulsa every year. Its nice when they play, but for the most part its a blowout win by OU.

    Taking a break from the series was inevitable when Utah moved up to the BCS and BYU chose to stay mid-major.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 11, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    @ pocyUte

    No, I'm not reaching. You brought up Colorado trying to put down BYU. My guess it that you're under 25 at most. If I were reaching I'd point out a coach named Lavell Edwards, a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy Winner, Beck-to-Harline, 4th-and-18 to Collie, etc. But I don't want to bore you with history. Just remember last year when Rose Bowl, Rose Bowl, Rose Bowl was all any Ute fan could say and they had a perfect opportunity to get to the PAC 12 Inagural Playoff Game. EVERYTHING that had to happen actually did, except for onme small item: Beat the worst road team in America the last 4 years, playing on your home field with EVERYTHING to play for and EVERYTHING to lose. So what did you do? You lost!!! Who'd have thought that after just one year of being the offensive cordinator at the school that Chow would be the one leaving and Doman the one staying? Also, recently, how many top 25 finishes for each school? Tell me, please. The Utes are the 12th team after Big 12 didn't implode. Colorado was invited first!

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    July 11, 2012 12:35 a.m.

    If all of the above do not care then why are there 152 comments? Because you all do. Are you telling me there will be a 152 comments about a Utah Colorado game - ever? No way.

    Do you really think that Michigan fans will be on these boards talking about the "Big Game" never.

    In the end this is fun. The rivalry exists because we all care.

    Without a game you will all still be here comparing schedules and talking about the last games played.

    But there will not be a game. And no one to really care enough about to hate.

    Sad.

    Which is why my previous comment still stands....Whatever.

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    July 11, 2012 4:29 a.m.

    The appropriate way to fix this in the years ahead will be for Holmoe to insist Utah give 2 for 1 when Utah comes begging to play again.

  • SCCougar LEXINGTON, SC
    July 11, 2012 6:37 a.m.

    I see many other solid programs trying to book BYU now that the national championship will rely more on strenght of schedule. BYU wont have to worry about their schedule.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    July 11, 2012 6:52 a.m.

    BYU: Tradition, Spirit, and Honor
    Utah: Money, Money, and Money?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    It would be interesting to know the conversations/negotiations between Hill and Holmoe. My guess is Hill demanded a 2-1 or 4-2 and Holmoe told him to stuff it.

    I see no purpose playing USU and BYu every year. We need to play teams in the fertile recruiting grounds like Texas, Florida, etc. We already have a long term contract with USU and I'm glad about it. USU is surging, nice fans and adds an instate rivalry game. I could care less about BYu. Their program is tanking, horrible/zany fans, a terrible reputation in their dealings with everyone. Heck, they kicked USU in the teeth AGAIN by demanding a 2-1. My goodness?????

    The good news is Utah will pound BYu again on 9-15-12 at RES and then really bad in 2013 at LES, as BYu will be in complete rebuilding mode. Then, a two year break.........the Y fans are gonna be so bummed out having to wait two years for revenge in 2016. PRICELESS!!!!!!!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 11, 2012 7:23 a.m.

    A few weeks ago it was said that "BYU puts the ball in Utah's court" on the rivalry game issue.

    That was like saying that your 16 year old put the "I need a car" ball back in dad's court!

    Utah has always held the ball since the Pac-12 invite.

    They simply decided to take the ball, put it in the closet, find a better ball (Michigan) and move one.

    That's what happens when dad makes a decision. The kids get upset, cry a little, and have no say.

    The rivalry game will continue to be played, when it's convenient for Utah. That's pretty obvious. BYU needs it, is dying to schedule it, it's become their bowl game. To Utah, it's just another OOC game that will be played when the schedule sees fit.

    Just accept your irrelevance BYU, and this will all not feel as painful.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    Who was talking about BSU, TCU or Utah football 30 years ago? Very few in the nation. BYu was relevant then. In the 21st century, everyone is talking about BSU, TCU and Utah, as they are all BCS busters from non-AQ conferences. Nobody is talking about BYu, a team that has done ZERO in the BCS era.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    More tidbits...........the reason Utah and Colorado went to the 10 PAC is because their schools are top notch and offer the PAC great all-around academia and tv markets. The only other schools that would fit their academic requirements, within the PAC's geographical footprint and tv markets, is definitely New Mexico and possibly UNLV, if they improve their graduate programs, which is possible. Schools like BSU and BYu, although very attractive for a possible "PAC-16," cannot cut the mustard academically or in BYu's case, the social issues as well as academia. Nobody cares about accounting programs in the PAC!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 11, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Now I won't cheer for the Utes even if they play Notre Dame. Chris Hill should be fired. I know the Utes would get too big for their pants when they went to the PAC 10. As I have always said, the Utes are a second tier team in a second tier conference. They will never prosper. Added incentive for the Y to kick their butts this year.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 11, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    Oh by the way, money has indeed ruined college football. Just check out the sham playoff the BCS is trying to foist on folks. The Mountain West conference would have been the strongest in football with the Y, the U, TCU, Boise State, Air Force and maybe the others. Those schools should have forced the commissioner out, dumped the TV contract and gotten a new one. There would have been no need for the Utes to jump to the Pac 10 at that point. The Mtn West teams were regularly kicking the Pac 10's teams butts for several years. Now money has ruined a good rivalry. The Utes don't stand a chance against Michigan.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    July 11, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    Flashback,

    Need a tissue?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    @Flashback,

    Utah whooped the snot out of a SEC undefeated(regular season) Alabama team that spent 6 weeks as the #1 team in the nation in 2008 with MWC quality recruits. With Utah's last two recruiting classes, depth, coaching, etc......I think Utah will be just fine sir. I know Michigan fans are worried about Utah.......read all the various sports boards my friend.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    July 11, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Face it Cougar fans your big move to Independence and irrelevance just became even more irrelevant.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    The PAC 12 has the finest all-around schools in the nation. The Ivy League can rival PAC academics, barely, but not when you consider the "whole" package......ie athletics.

  • borox23 Payson, UT
    July 11, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Somehow many other rivalries continue across the country between schools from different conferences because the teams want them to continue... obviously Utah does not care enough about the rivalry and has moved on to bigger and better things. This game has become so hate filled that I wouldn't care if the game didn't ever come back. People on both sides get too heated and ridiculous and most of it has nothing to do with football. Good riddance.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    The bottom line is BYu is a hard-fought game. With facing 12 PAC talent for 9 weeks, now a major Big 10 team....... that is 10 out of 12 tough games. Playing BYu, a meaningless game in Utah's current conference, SOS and danger to player's health........why should Utah play BYu anymore? It is absurd. What if some BYu cheap shot blew out a great Utah player's knee? The U fans would assault the BYU team in masses. Utah has a contract with a very honorable USU team. That works for me.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    July 11, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Takin a break from the hate?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    @ Flashback,

    BYu stands ZERO chance against the Utes in the foreseeable future. BYu has no way of beating Utah.........with what and who? BYu has ONLY Kyle Van Noy, and that is all they have.........and he has a bad shoulder.

  • rfrmac Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 11, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Come on, get real. Things have changed for both school. The last game was not the same. I am neither happy nor sad. It is just the way it is. I care more about having Utah successful than anything else.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    July 11, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    "I really hate them. Playing in the game helped me understand. They are the most arrogant people. It's the whole church and state thing. They're the 'good kids'. We're the 'bad kids.' I didn't feel it in my gut last year like I do now."
    — Former Utah quarterback Alex Smith

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    July 11, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    "I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, their fans. I hate everything. It felt really good to send those guys home."
    — Former BYU quarterback Max Hall

  • NC FROGS 2010 Gilbert, AZ
    July 11, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    Since they played in Provo in 2011, SLC in 2012 and Dr. Hill indicated that they would be back in Provo in 2013 and then won't play again in 2014 or 2015...does that mean that the Utes have agreed to a 2 for 1 with the Cougars? :)

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    @ Igualmente,

    Hate Utah all you want sir, as you've been shown the door and the hand. Relish in BYu's November schedule this year........the worst in college football history, never to be much better. Good luck sir!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    Bottom line, Florida and Florida State are big-time programs from DIFFERENT conferences. A loss on their schedule is certainly at risk every time they play.

    Utah fans are delusional if they think they have outgrown BYU. BYU has a far better athletic program from top to bottom, that isn't in dispute. Utah has had the better of it in football over the last 10-15 years. But despite the blowout last year most of these games have been incredibly close and entertaining, some of the best games to watch in college football period. Blocked FG's, Harline's catch, 54-yard FG's to win games, fourth down conversions, 3-0 shutouts in the snow, this rivalry game has seen it all in the past few years. Arguably it is one of the most competitive rivalries out there, more so than Alabama vs. Auburn over the years. Didn't Auburn win six games in a row? When was the last time BYU or Utah won six games in a row in this rivalry, probably in the late 1980's, early 1990's and it wasn't the team wearing red.

    This game needs to be played...period.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    @ Counter intelligence,

    Yes, Utah fans would go after the BYu football team if a great Utah player was taken out by another BYu cheap shot. Devonte Christopher could have been killed last year. TCU's Jerry Chambers has complained about BYu's dirty play as well. I've never thought BYu played dirty until recent years..........but they do now, because they aren't very good anymore.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    July 11, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Still too smart?

    I brought up Northern Colorado, not CU. You brought up CU. I was pointing out the fact that beating BYU is like beating Northern Colorado (Utah's first opponent this season) in that it matters nothing to the PAC-12 which is a bigger deal than winning a non-conference game, and that it is almost as automatic. Now, obviously BYU is better than Northern Colorado, but it is still fun to make the comparison. You went on a diatribe from one word out of my statement and go with it completely out of context, so yes you are reaching.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    July 11, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    UHA, the observation is that the hatred is a shared relationship by both sides, be it the religious arrogance of fans of the private university or the anti-religious tone from the public school fans according to the wiki description of the so-called holy war.

    You can understand the hatred toward BYU from those who don't share the same faith. What is intriguing is the hatred of the U by BYU fans when many LDS attend there and are athletes on its teams. It also seems counter to BYU's mission to love and serve others.

    Perhaps the hatred is just over-zealous competitive attitudes, based in the desire to defend their universities by proclaiming each others' superiority.

  • PAC Member Kaysville, UT
    July 11, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    @Alpine Coug

    Great comment. I, too, believe the rivalry has become too heated and out of control. Perhaps a break will only provide a greater appreciation for once was.

    Now, we just need the MIGHTY PAC 12 UTES to put those "Mid-Major" cougarettes in their place for the next two games!

    Go Utes!

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    July 11, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    It's funny that the U fans make the claim that BTU's move to Independence has lead to this decision by the Utes. Are you really saying that had BYU stayed in the MWC that the Utes would have kept them on the schedule in 2014 and 2015? Let's be real here, this move has happened because the U has moved to the Pac10 and know their head is bigger than their hat...

    It is satisfying to hear though from Dr. Hill that he didn't feel that it was "fair" to the football team to schedule such a difficult schedule for those two years. Bottom line...Dr. Hill is afraid to play BYU those two years. Since they have won 7 of the last 10 he probably shouldn't feel that way, but apparently he is scared.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 11, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    Cougarfan in texas

    Stop with the lame comment about cupcakes

    Weber State
    Idaho
    New Mexico State
    San Jose State

    Those are the schools your team is playing, I would have to call this a lame schedule.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 11, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Chris Hill said it best:

    "I didn't think we were a good enough to play BYU and Michigan in the same year."

    Hill decided to throw 90 years of tradition under the bus because it was "inconvenient" for Utah to play BYU and Michigan.

    Utah could easily lose to both BYU and Michigan, killing Utah's bowl hopes.

    In other words,

    the mighty WHIMPY Utes are all squawk, but no walk... coiled in a fetal position, while pretending to be brave.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 11, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    The U doesn't need the Y anymore. Now if the Y were in the BIG 12 the U would suddenly have great interest once again. Pac 12 vs Big 12 and combine the natural long time rivalry between the two schools ... this would be great for both. BYU has to understand that it is in no mans land right now with no future as an independent. Recruiting has fallen off already at the Y and that trend is going to continue until BYU gets itself into a BCS conference. If Bronco leaves after next year then things will really start to crumble. Bronco won't leave if BYU is in a BCS conference.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    I've read a myriad of bigotry claims by BYu fans. Ok, fair enough. Then please explain to me why NO Cali PAC team will schedule BYu anymore? None of them have been scheduled so far, nor will they ever. Even Steve Young and his wife voted "no" to Prop 8 in 2008. Talk about bigotry all you wants........the world has identified the true bigots. That is why BYu is indy, PERIOD, the end.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    @Counter Intellignce,

    When so many players and fans of schools that BYu plays make the same claims.......? Hey, where there is smoke, there's fire. I've seen many BYu cheap shots in recent years. I never thought BYu was dirty before that. They played hard and acted like gentlemen. I don't feel that way now.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    @ Counter Intelligence,

    The LDS influence has a "storied' past of impeding social progress. It is that simple. BYu may be disliked, or not........but I know this, they are avoided big time.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    @ Counter Intelligence,

    Cheer for BYu all you want to my friend. Because, "America's team" every week is BYu's opponent.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 11, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    It’s interesting to hear all the different perspectives on this. Chris Hill didn’t name the Max Hall rant, but he did say he was uncomfortable with how negative some aspects of the rivalry have become.

    It’s also interesting to note that most of the people claiming the rivalry needs to go on are BYU fans, players and staff. How the tables have turned. Since Ron McBride took over as coach we’ve gone from BYU being THE BIG GAME on our schedule ….. to BYU being a big game on our schedule and one of the most important for us to win ……. to now we don’t really need them, but boy do they need us.

    ......Continued

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 11, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    ......Continued. It is obvious by the comments being made who needs this game and really wants to see it continue. Some Ute fans want it just for sentimental reasons, but the Ute’s program doesn’t need it. With the teams we have on our conference schedule, the Michigan deal and the upcoming Big 10/Pac 12 deal the Utes just don’t need the BYU game to reach their goals as a team and a program.

    Personally I have enjoyed the rivalry over the years. I have been on both sides of it at different times in my life and it was truly fun to be a part of it until that famous Max Hall comment. That year it became way too personal and inappropriate. I too was disappointed that the administrations from both schools didn’t step up and say enough is enough. If that incident had been handled better by both schools, it could have gone a long way to making the rivalry better. BYU didn’t do enough to put Max in his place and the U should have said something about the fans behavior that upset Max.

    Continued........

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 11, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    .....Continued

    In any case, the rivalry is over. We’ve seen what happened to the Utah/Utah State rivalry. That was a result of a combination of not playing every year and Utah State’s program taking a dive. I predict we will see exactly the same thing with BYU. Yes, that includes their program taking a dive. I don’t know if they will fall as far as Utah State did, but I don’t think there is any way they can maintain the level of play they have had in the past as they struggle to schedule top opponents and their funding begins to dry up from boosters.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 11, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    eagle
    Provo, UT
    Bottom line, Florida and Florida State are big-time programs from DIFFERENT conferences. A loss on their schedule is certainly at risk every time they play.

    -----
    Poor example. Florida hasn't played a non-conference game out side to the state in over 25 years. Also, neither FSU or Florida are independents. What's tougher, going to Provo or going to Ann Arbor? It's a no brainer.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 11, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    mormon ute...

    Utah does not need to play with mid-majors as long as Utah has Michigan (14-15), and future games
    perhaps with Michigan St, Ohio St, and Iowa.

    Holmoe should only call Dr. Hill once BYU is actually in a big conference --not just supposedly
    being invitted to one

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    When a football team can't deliver on the field for decades............when in doubt.......print t-shirts, posters and claim the national championship before the season starts. I'm glad the mighty Utes haven't had to resort to that pathetic behavior.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    @Ute fans

    It's fascinating to me to see your responses. No matter how you spin it, this makes Utah come out looking bad. Both K Whitt and Chris Hill have stated that the reason for not scheduling BYU is because it would make their schedule too difficult. But that was BEFORE scheduling Michigan which, as Spokane Ute intimated, is a 'much tougher team' than BYU.

    So now Utah looks hypocritical.

    But then, if Michigan is a much tougher team than BYU, why not play BYU to pad your schedule, since the Cougars are obviously one of those 'WAC-ish', 'mid-majorish' teams that should be chalked up as an easy W, right?

    So there must be some other reason for not scheduling the Cougs. Either the Utah administration feels that playing BYU would be much tougher than playing Michigan (meaning U are scared of the Cougs), playing both BYU and Michigan in the same year would be too tough of a schedule (again, scared) or the U administration is trying to stick it to BYU, which makes U look petty and childish.

    Good ol' Utah. Once a little bro, always a little bro.

    Go Cougars!

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    July 11, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    @ Cougs4Life

    "It's funny that the U fans make the claim that BTU's move to Independence has lead to this decision by the Utes".

    Don't you think the timing was ironic for BYU to declare their Independence 2 months after Utah was invited to join the Pac-10? Hmm..... To any reasonable person, this independent move was a move out of jealousy and envy.


    "Are you really saying that had BYU stayed in the MWC that the Utes would have kept them on the schedule in 2014 and 2015?"

    Nope, BYU would still be off the schedule. It's still a matter of BCS Utah vs mid-major BYU. Chris Hill's decision would still be the same. BYU as a mid-major program does nothing for Utah anymore.

    "Let's be real here, this move has happened because the U has moved to the Pac10 and know their head is bigger than their hat".

    If BYU wanted to keep the rivalry going as well. They could swallow some pride and accept Utah's 2 for 1 offer. But, BYU still thinks that they're bigger than what they really are....A mid-major program.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 11, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    @ True Coug1

    One of the biggest reasons, has to be that Utah has nine conference games. I highly doubt Utah would have dropped BYU if they played 8, like every onther BCS conference. As an independent, it's easy to pad your schedule with 4-6 cup cakes. For Utah, that's simply not possible. I don't see this making Utah look bad. They still play each other this year, in 2013 and 2016. As far as Utah being little Bro goes; win a BCS Bowl game, or join a BCS conference, then let's talk.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    @Ute fans

    I'm also confused by the 'BYU needs Utah' talk. Why?

    Last year, outside of the ESPNU contests against SJSU and NMSU and the ESPN2 game with Idaho, Utah was our lowest rated TV game. Utah is not a good TV draw. ESPN knows that and the PAC 12 knows that. That's why the U tied Oregon St. for the fewest games picked up by the PAC 12 networks last year at 4.

    U had 2 games picked up nationally in 2011: the BYU game on ESPN2, and the Pitt game on ESPNU (the infamous game where the commentators apologized to those watching for how bad the game was). To top it off, the PAC 12 stuck U on MWC Lite (Versus) in your first ever PAC-12 game while Colorado got featured on ESPN against the Trojans.

    As far as national games and exposure are concerned, Utah doesn't help BYU at all. So I'm still confused why BYU would need a Utah team that is in a conference that doesn't respect them and that runs their football facilities out of a trailer park.

    Answer: they don't.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    @SpokaneUte "One of the biggest reasons, has to be that Utah has nine conference games."

    So...what's your point? Chris Hill said on two radio interviews that Utah's goal is to go to the Rose Bowl.

    So how does scheduling BYU affect Utah's goal? U fans are always reminding BYU fans that U can still lose your non-conference games and get to a BCS bowl. Getting to the Rose Bowl in the PAC 12 will most likely mean going undefeated in conference play, and if you're good enough to go undefeated in the 'mighty PAC 12', shouldn't U be good enough to beat BYU in a non-conference game?

    Sorry, that argument just doesn't hold water. Like I said, any way U spin this, U come out looking bad.

    As for BCS bowls and BCS conferences are concerned, since the BCS is a thing of the past, I'm not sure what your point is. Maybe U meant that BYU should call U when U get out of your trailer park football facilities and cancel your contract with KJZZ. U know, start playing big boy football on the big stage.

    Go Cougars!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 11, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    No BYU vs. Utah game. Incredible poor decision by Chris Hill, not to mention the lame excuse used by both he and Wittingham. I am not a Ute or Coug fan, I am a football fan that lives in Utah so I look forward to this game and Monday mornings in the office following. But, Chris, Mr. Hill, Dr. Hill. You have no other Non-Conference games even scheduled those years. You have Michigan in 2014, that leaves two open spots for a BYU Rivalry game. You have Michigan and Utah State in 2015, that leaves one open spot for a BYU Rivalry game. If anything, bump Utah State, you haven't played them every year, it is not as big of a rivalry and BYU would be despite the "lame comments to follow" a better game than USU. Bad Move and an icredibely Poor Excuse. I am a Pac-10 fan, not Pac-12, may the Utes go down in flames for this one and lose to the likes of Wazzu. Your over rated Ute fans, you will never win a Pac-12 South Title, not with USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State there. They won't let you.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 11, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    @ UtahBruin,

    Utah has Michigan in 2014-15 and USU in 2015. Utah has only 3 open OOC games left available for those two seasons. I hope Dr. Hill schedules one OK team and a cupcake in 2014 and a cupcake in 2015.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 11, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    at truecoug1
    Sorry, but there's just no room on the schedule for a mid major when a team like Michigan comes calling. My point is simple, when you have 3 non-conference games, you have to be selective. When you play in a BCS conference, you play 9 (in Utah's) case, BCS schools automatically. Now look at BYU's schedule. 5-6 BCS games. Simple math 9+ > 6. That's not spinning it, just the facts. Instead of BCS, let me simply: Rose, Sugar, Fiesta or Orange Bowl. Win one, then move up to the Big Boy table. Heck, even play in one. Trailer park facility? You must be referring to the temp facility used during the construction of Utah's $20 million, state of the art, Football Facility. It'g going to be nice. KJZZ? Actually Utah will play on the PAC 12 channel. You know, the one that pays out $23 million/year. No spin here, just the facts. I hope that helps.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    @SpokaneUte "Sorry, but there's just no room on the schedule for a mid major when a team like Michigan comes calling."

    Actually, there is room for that 'mid-major'. As UCLA Bruin pointed out, U have two spots open to fill in 2014, including a home game. In 2015, U have 1 spot to fill, which is an away game.

    Since BYU is such a 'mid-major', as U call them, and U want to schedule those 'mid-major' cupcakes, why not play BYU? U have room on your schedule to.

    So again, what's your point? If BYU is a 'cupcake, mid-major, easy win', why not schedule them?

    U have no argument, Spokane. Either U are running scared from a so-called 'mid-major', or U are trying to stick it to BYU, which just makes U look childish and little brotherish.

    Pretty sure BYU's going to be just fine without U in 2014-2015. Heck, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that we'll schedule a team that will actually HELP our TV ratings.

    Go Cougars!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    Again, not a Ute or Coug fan. But I get so tired of hearing Ute fans tell BYU fans to win a BCS game or join a BCS Conference and then they can talk. Join a BCS Conference. Really? By doing so all you did was just become another puppet to the BCS who might I remind you is loaded with SEC and ACC Board Members. Have you not learned already that the BCS monopoly is occupied by the SEC and ACC. The President of the BCS is the President of an SEC School. You will never get anywhere. Second, Win a BCS game. Congrats on your wins! You beat a very subpar Big East Pitt team, you beat a very good Alabama team who in my opinion got beat because they looked past U, but you won and socked them in the mouth in the first quarter. So congrats, honestly, Congrats! Now remember you played Pitt and are touting to win a BCS game. So 1984 Michigan doesn't matter. Actually the way you talk, it does. So Win a National Championship and then pop off.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    @SpokaneUte "You must be referring to the temp facility used during the construction of Utah's $20 million, state of the art, Football Facility. It'g going to be nice."

    Bro, BYU has had their 30 million dollar, state-of-the-art Student Athlete Building for about 5 years now, and I'm pretty sure they weren't operating out of a trailer park while they were building it. That's just sad, and it's poor planning.

    It IS nice that Utah finally got the memo that it's the 21st Century and that they need to update their facilities, though.

    Heck, even NMSU doesn't run their facilities out of a double-wide.

    As for the whole 'PAC 12 network thing, do you mind telling me what channel that's on? And how much of that $23 million do U get this year? Or next year?

    I think it's funny that Ute fans are quick to bash on BYUtv, but quickly laud their PAC 12 network, when the PAC 12 'National' channel is expected to be in 40 millions homes along, mostly in the west, while BYUtv is in 50+ million homes across the nation.

    How ironic.

  • teamnash Mesa, Az
    July 11, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    lol, Utes' heads are getting too big for RES

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 11, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    @truecoug1 and other confused coug fans...

    Why BYU needs Utah more than Utah needs BYU?
    Easy to see...

    Utah: with 9 tough PAC-12 games plus another big-10 like Michigan/MSU/OSU/Iowa/, Utah has
    tough schedule strength and does not need BYU as BYU adds little to its schedule now.

    BYU: with the cup-cakey WAC games, BYU needs the likes of Georgia Tech/Nebraska/Utah to
    argue that its schedule is competitive.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute

    Again, "Win a BCS game." "Step up to the Big Boy table." "Heck, even play in one."

    So again I will say. Win a National Championship and then pop off. Hang a National Championship Banner in your stadium, then pop off. Heck, even play in a National Championship game, and then pop off.

    Pac-12 Channel, $23 Million Per year to be split between 12 schools, so $1.9 a year for you and you don't even see much of that for the first 4 years. Maybe my math is off, how does that compare to ESPN and BYU's contract of $800,000 to $1,200,000 per home game. So if they have even only 5 home games that is somewhere between $4MM to $6MM. And it doesn't even matter who are what time and when they play. Hmmmm.

    I wonder if Utah's facilities will be anything like BYU's football multi million dollar facilities that professional athletes say is nicer than NFL facilities. And as for Rice-Eccles Stadium. On behalf of all Utah Tax Payers and the SLC Winter Olympic Games. You're Welcome.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    @SoCalUteFan

    I'm not seeing any cup-cakey WAC games on the schedule for BYU in 2013 or beyond.

    I can see what your point is, but I still don't understand why BYU NEEDS Utah any more than Utah NEEDS BYU. BYU can just go out and get another mid-level 'BCS' conference team, and it will most likely be one that will help BYU's TV ratings.

    Tom Holmoe said at the very beginning that it would take two years before the schedule picked up, and he's been as good as his word. I don't think BYU will have any problems with strength of schedule in the future, especially since most teams will be looking to replace their 'cupcake' teams with stronger teams to bolster their SoS when the playoff comes around.

    So again, why does BYU NEED Utah in particular? BYU's gotten a lot more national exposure and money than Utah has being in the PAC 12.

    And playing a team with trailer-park football facilities really doesn't help the Cougars' image at all.

    Go Cougars!

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 11, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    UtahBruin....

    NC talk is so old--28-year-old.

    Fact is that BYU has not done much to improve its program since 1984--over a quarter of century ago. A 8-wins season here and there. A 10-wins season here and there. Blah, blah, blah. BYU still
    has troubles filling its schedule with good teams.
    From 20 miles behind in 1984, Utah has zoomed past BYU like a Ferrari 485 zooming past the Nissan 300SX (that Dick Harmon once compared BYU to) and left BYU 50 miles behind it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 11, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    @truecoug1
    Little Bro? Well, the score board says other wise. 54-10 last year. What a wax job. Utah has won 2 of the last 3, and 7 of the last 10 head to head games. Scared? Of what?
    Rest assured, Utah and BYU will be fine without playing each other. I've never said other wise.
    SoCalUtefan nailed it (again)
    Utah doesn't need BYU. Already play 10 BCS schools.
    BYU needs Utah, another BCS school on the schedule.

    "Bro, BYU has had their 30 million dollar, state-of-the-art Student Athlete Building for about 5 years now, and I'm pretty sure they weren't operating out of a trailer park while they were building it. That's just sad, and it's poor planning."

    First Off, I'm not your Bro. Just a Utah fan trying to have a civil conversation/debate. You do realize that temporary trailers are industry standard when performing construction? I'm sure you will see them on BYU's campus from time to time.

    "which just makes U look childish and little brotherish."
    Let's keep in civil, no need for name calling.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT

    "So again, why does BYU NEED Utah in particular? BYU's gotten a lot more national exposure and money than Utah has being in the PAC 12.

    And playing a team with trailer-park football facilities really doesn't help the Cougars' image at all."

    So then why all the whining? Go play the bottom half of the WAC and enjoy yourself.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 11, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    Utah Bruin Said:

    "Pac-12 Channel, $23 Million Per year to be split between 12 schools, so $1.9 a year for you and you don't even see much of that for the first 4 years. Maybe my math is off, how does that compare to ESPN and BYU's contract of $800,000 to $1,200,000 per home game. So if they have even only 5 home games that is somewhere between $4MM to $6MM. And it doesn't even matter who are what time and when they play. Hmmmm."

    Not sure where you are getting your information, But you are wrong on many levels. Let me help, The TV contract is 12 year, $3 Billion with ESPN. The PAC 12 channel will provide $250 million annually (or $20.8 million per school)

    Would you like me to provide a link?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    @SpokaneUte "Well, the score board says other wise. 54-10 last year. What a wax job. Utah has won 2 of the last 3, and 7 of the last 10 head to head games. Scared? Of what?"

    That's my point exactly. No matter how U fans, or the U administration, spins it, U come out looking bad. Either U are scared to play a 'mid-major' team that U have 'owned' the past decade, or U are trying to stick it to that same university by essentially saying "we're bigger than the rivalry", which just makes U look petty and childish.

    "Rest assured, Utah and BYU will be fine without playing each other."

    I completely agree.

    "You do realize that temporary trailers are industry standard when performing construction? I'm sure you will see them on BYU's campus from time to time."

    I do, I just don't recall our football program being run out of a trailer park when we were building our new facilities. I think it's hilarious!

    "Let's keep in civil, no need for name calling."

    My bad, I didn't mean you in particular there, just the U administration.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    @54-10 "So then why all the whining? Go play the bottom half of the WAC and enjoy yourself."

    Not whining, just curious as to why U fans think BYU needs U, or how U fans think there's any way that they can come out of this without their administration looking bad.

    And since I have yet to get a good answer to either of those queries, I think I will go off and enjoy watching BYU beat the bottom half of the WAC. As well as the bottom half of the PAC (Washington St., Utah, Oregon St.).

    Should be a great year :)

    Go Cougars!

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 11, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    54-10

    ...So then why all the whining? Go play the bottom half of the WAC and enjoy yourself...

    excellent point!
    let Utah and BYU part ways.
    Utah will continue going north!
    BYU will keep heading south!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 11, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    @TrueCoug
    I understand why you think they look scared, but I doubt that's the case. I believe the decision is based from a buisness stand point. Utah has very little to gain, if anything, by playing BYU. The rivaly is not dead, just put on hold for two years. Playing Michigan, as opposed to BYU, is neither childish or petty. IMO

    BYU will be fine without playing Utah, and vice versa. Both schools get plenty of exposure.

    Get passed the temporary trailers. I manage construction and it's pretty common. I once housed a fire dept for over a year while we built their new facitily.

    I have no say on Utah's scheduling; just a big fan. Good luck in the coming season. When BYU isn't playing Utah or Utah St; I pull for them. There's too much hate in the rivalry; and that's what I see as petty and childish. For that reason, I'm glad it's taking a pause.

    Take care, have a good evening................and GO UTES >------>

  • borox23 Payson, UT
    July 11, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    Easy enough to figure out, putting BYU on the schedule would mean no room for teams like Northern Colorado. @ Utes, you remember Max Hall but give Alex Smith a pass. Both comments were awful.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    @SpokaneUte "I understand why you think they look scared, but I doubt that's the case. I believe the decision is based from a buisness stand point. Utah has very little to gain, if anything, by playing BYU."

    I can understand you saying that. However, if the rivalry is taking a break because of a business standpoint, I think that's sad. In 2014-2015, with the new playoff system starting, strength of schedule will be an important factor in deciding who goes and who doesn't. If Utah wants to be in the playoff, it should include BYU over a cupcake, since most college football teams will be looking to bolster their schedule.

    I'm not saying that Utah wouldn't get in if they went undefeated with their schedule in 2014, since they've got a pretty daunting one. But there are 60-70 other big name teams who will have similar schedules and scheduling a BYU over a cupcake may be the difference that gets the Utes in, IMO.

    Either way, it's sad, and I don't think Utah comes away looking very good because of it.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    @SpokaneUte

    As for the trailer park talk, that's all in good fun. A lot of Ute fans make fun of BYU's schedule for being WACish, when we all knew that the first couple of years of independence would include a lot of WAC teams to help the Cougs fill out their schedule and that, starting next year, the schedule gets a lot stronger.

    That's similar to me with the trailer park. I just like to poke fun at Ute fans for having 'WACish', trailer-park facilities while knowing full-well that, starting next year, Utah will have some very nice, new football facilities.

    You're a good sport, Spokane. It was fun to banter back and forth with you.

    Have a great evening!

    Go Cougars!

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    July 11, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    1993
    BYU 55 - Utah 7

    There was a 20 year Lavell Edwards period where BYU clearly dominated Utah in Football. I also remember vividly the 55-7 shellacking of the hapless Utes as a Freshman in 1983. Steve Young tore them up!

    here is the 20 Year BYU dominance: 1972-1992

    en.wikipedia.org
    In the early Years, Utah owned BYU until the 70's.

    Now Utah has a 19 year significantly dominant period although BYU has won 7 of 19... soon to be 8 of 20, while Utah only won 2 out of the 20 Edwards years.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    Oh please. Texas and Texas A&M also canceled their rivalry.

    It's time to move on, we have.

    As a season ticket holder, I'll be renewing each year. I'm willing to bet that with a schedule of PAC-12 and BIG-12 teams 98% will do the same.

    Go Utes!!

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 11, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    Warrior Present

    1993 55-7

    Wow! 20 years ago.

    I remember last year 54-10 when cougars gave up (like 5th grade boys) early in the 4Q.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    July 11, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    @Bruin

    "Heck, even play in a National Championship game, and then pop off."

    Remind me again which national championship game BYU played in? You didn't play a single ranked team in '84, and your "championship" game was against a horrible team that finished with 6 losses.

    It's always a nice accomplishment to go undefeated, but don't compare 1984 with what Utah did in 2008.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 11, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFan

    And I remember every Ute fan whimpering like a child having candy taken from him when the Utes lost 'everything' to Colorado.

    And the stomping tantrums when BYU was announced at #25 in the Coach's Poll.

    54-10... like it never even happened. LOL

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 11, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    Unfortunately the rivalry may end on the football field between opposing teams, but it still doesn't end around the water cooler, on talk radio, on TV, in the classroom, in church, in the neighborhood, and on the street.

    I just want to be left alone with no slurs, one-upmanship, or snide remarks and just wear my BYU shirt, cheer for my team, and let the other guy do the same.

    Go Cougars!

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 11, 2012 11:43 p.m.

    @ sammyg

    "And I remember every Ute fan whimpering like a child having candy taken from him when the Utes lost 'everything' to Colorado".

    Poor sammy, try beating Utah for a change before you go out and parade behind other teams that are capable of beating Utah. You sound like an annoying little brother who has to hide behind someone else to fight your own battles for you.

    "And the stomping tantrums when BYU was announced at #25 in the Coach's Poll".

    Wow! You must be so proud of your team for beating all those WAC cupcakes. Good job! Name me one team BYU beat last year that was good and would validate them top 25 worthy?

    "54-10... like it never even happened. LOL"

    Oh it did happen! A national audience that tuned in were watching BYU quit and their fans sprinting towards the exit. lol

  • YGuy Lehi, UT
    July 12, 2012 3:22 a.m.

    The thing that's so funny is that Ute fans say this isn't about BYU and then they make it all about BYU. So let's take BYU out of the equation and just talk about Utah...

    Rivalry game or no rivalry game, Utah is still Utah. They're not an interesting college sports brand outside of the state. To the outsider, they had some great years in hoops a couple of decades ago, then they had Urban Meyer, and he had an epic season before leaving for big money. Most folks probably associate the 2nd BCS year with the long tail of Urban's recruiting. That trajectory (along with the fact that the other two MWC schools that regularly stood out were Christian schools, and there was ZERO chance the PAC 10's leaders would approve inviting them) got them into the PAC 12. Now that they're there, they've been mediocre. In football, they finished in a three-way tie for 6th place in the conference overall, (which is the bottom half of a 12-member conference). Continued…

  • U Da man Lehi, UT
    July 12, 2012 3:22 a.m.

    …continued… They were terrible in hoops (2nd to last with just 3 conference wins). In baseball, they are dead last (.233 winning percentage), 2nd to last in tennis, worst in softball, 9th in volleyball (.273), 8th in Women's basketball (.444), 5th in Women's Soccer (.545), 9th in Women's Tennis (.300). (Yeah, I know those are lame sports, but that's what the PAC 12 website had). The point is, If anything, Utah is less interesting now than they were when they were a stand-out story at the top of their conference (which they only won 3.3 out of the 13 seasons they were there--note BYU also won just 3.3 out of 13 seasons). Busting the BCS was cool, but they weren't the only team to do it, (don't forget that Boise State was also undefeated in 2004 but Utah got the at-large bid; and although all of these teams didn't finish undefeated, Boise was eligible to bust the BCS 6-times; TCU was eligible to bust 5-times and even BYU was eligible to bust the BCS in 2009). Continued…

  • YGuy Lehi, UT
    July 12, 2012 3:23 a.m.

    …continued… So once again, when you think about the national perspective (where all of the specifics fade and you just have the major achievements, when folks think about non BCS schools (i.e., bubble schools), they think of Boise State, TCU, Hawaii, Utah and yes...even BYU. Those are the brands Utah is synonymous with nationally. All have changed their situations to improve their access to the bigger stages, but now all are newbies playing with the big boys, and all have to prove themselves all over again on these stages.

    The rub is that no matter how you slice it season in and season out neither fan base has ever been able to really prove their team is better than the other team. The rivalry game has always been the only way to answer that question, and it's usually so close, it only gives the winner temporary bragging rights (usually with a "whew, we barely pulled that one out"). Continued…

  • YGuy Lehi, UT
    July 12, 2012 3:27 a.m.

    …continued… But if you're really being intellectually honest, the reality is these are very similar programs--neither is head and shoulders above the other, and both remain quite insignificant in the big picture of big time college football.

    Utah has a lot of work to do to build their brand into what they envision. Just because they're "in" the conference, does not mean they've arrived.

    (Yes, I understand the same goes for the Cougars--like I say, they're very similar programs in very similar situations and places in their evolutions.)

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 12, 2012 7:11 a.m.

    Elmo

    Sure, it did happen but the media didn't care and neither did the Coach's Poll.

    BYU was recognized on the national stage once again and the Utes... ignored as usual.

    That one game... like it never even happened... according to the Coach's Poll. That game was all you had last year. LOL

    Was it embarrassing, no doubt, 7 fumbles will about do any team in, but it was nothing compared to Colorado beating Utah in the 'all or nothing' game.

    The previous year, the Utes embarrassed themselves in 'the most historic game ever played in RES', then at ND by a bench QB and got thumped by BSU in a bowl.

    Tell me how great the Utes are recently.

    The Utes are the 'Rodney Dangerfield' of their conference. 4-5, tied for 8th place and "We get no respect".

    It's hilarious to see a team fanbase desperately struggle on a daily basis for some media 'love' and national respect.

    Had BYU not played Utah last they probably would have broken the top 20 or maybe 15, who knows?

    And the Utes would have slid further into the abyss of mediocrity.

    Bu,bye! Enjoy more mediocritiy!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 12, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    Sammy

    "It's hilarious to see a team fanbase desperately struggle on a daily basis for some media 'love' and national respect."

    And yet byU "fans" have to copy and paste byU stats every day to remind everyone of your team's long lost history.

    "Had BYU not played Utah last (year,) they probably would have broken the top 20 or maybe 15, who knows?"

    HUH??? Yeah and if Utah had not played byU in 2004, they would have played for the NC.

    I guess you got your wish going forward. You will have to take a couple more beat downs before the break-up though.

    Good luck in your "Quest".

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    July 12, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    Question of the day: With the well known fact that any team that schedules a trip to Oahu to play the Warriors can schedule thirteen games, why isn't Chris Hill making an effort to get that game on the schedule every other year? Especially with Norm Chow as the head coach???? Seems like a no brainer. I don't know what the Hawaii/Utah rivalry is/was like, but I'm sure that fans of either school would not mind the trip to the islands or to Salt Lake City. They aren't the toughest team in the nation, but that thirteenth game could make it well worth the while getting them on the schedule. What to me makes the most sense is scheduling the island trip the year where there are 5 home games and the Warriors trip to SLC the year of only 4 home games... Or wait, would it be better the other way around?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    Loving it.

    Keep it coming Cougar "fans".

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    BYu needs to move on. Utah already has. Goodbye BYu.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    @Uteology "Oh please. Texas and Texas A&M also canceled their rivalry. It's time to move on, we have."

    So have I. Like I said, it doesn't bug me that Utah wants to take a break from the rivalry. It's not going to hurt BYU, we'll just schedule some other mid-to-low-level 'BCS' conference team that will actually HELP our TV ratings.

    I just think it's funny that U fans are trying to spin this in some way to try to make Utah look better for doing it.

    No matter how U spin it, U look bad. Texas and Texas A&M ended their rivalry and most everyone blames the Aggies for doing it, since they were fed up with their older brother Texas having their own network and being the big dog. So they moved to the SEC and ended the rivalry, trying to stick it to the Longhorns.

    So either Utah's doing the same thing to BYU, which looks childish and petty, or the U administration feels that playing BYU makes their schedule too tough, which makes U look scared.

    Either way, U lose.

    Go Cougars!

  • Keeters33 Perry, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    I couldnt agree more with PAPA Smurf UTE. This is about nothing more than money. I wish we could go back to the good'ol days when athletes didn't care as much about money and when sports was about the fans and just playing the game. Sports is just getting ridiculous. The NBA, NFL, you name it, its all about money and being in the spotlight. Nobody cares about the fans anymore. As long as they look good they are fine. Shame

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 12, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    To all who have come back at me with your comments. They are entertaining. And Spokane Ute, provide the link. It still does not compare, read your link again, there is cost involved also. You will not see $20.8 per year, your rederic is comical. As to the rest of you who challenge any BYU fan with your lame BCS Conference, BCS game, PAC-12.....Blah Blah Blah, doesn't matter when it was played, doesn't matter who you played, as I said you played Awesome Pitt for one of your BCS wins. But it still hangs in Lavell Edwards Stadium, a banner that says National Championship and the only reason you bring up the date of it is because U don't have one. You don't like me bringing it up, I am trying to show you it is the same lame argument you use with the BCS Conferance, BCS Game, just accept it. Read the comments and understand them before you pop off. But I enjoy your comments, they are comical. Here is to the Utes never winning a Pac-12 title, hip hip, hooray. You guys make me laugh.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 12, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    fuddy

    NOBODY sprinted to the exits faster than Utah fans at the Colorado game, except for possibly Utah fans at the TCU game in 2010.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    True story

    Overheard between two Utah fans at work:

    "I thought we'd be disrespected, but the magazine ranked Utah's coaching job in the top ten! 9th best in the Pac 12!"

    *sigh*

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    30 years ago YbU was a good team. Now, it is all over.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    BYu needs a hug folks!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2012 7:30 p.m.

    Can someone please give BYu a hug and hold their hand for a moment?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2012 7:36 p.m.

    America's team = BYu

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    It will be OK BYu.........you are a legacy program and the world cheers for U.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 8:04 p.m.

    U-H dude

    "30 years ago BYU was a good team. Now, it is all over."

    For a couple of brief shining moments in the 2000's Utah was a good team...

    BYU
    2006 11-2 #16/#15
    2007 11-2 #14/#15
    2008 10-3 #25/#21
    2009 11-2 #12/#12
    2010 7-6 unranked
    2011 10-3 ur/#25

    Utah
    2006 8-5 unranked
    2007 9-4 unranked
    2008 13-0 #2/#4
    2009 10-3 #18/#18
    2010 10-3 ur/#23
    2011 8-5 unranked

    Total Last Six Years
    BYU 60-18
    Utah 58-20

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5
    Utah 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

    Head-to-head
    BYU 3
    Utah 3

    now its all over as the Cougars surge past the faltering Utes.

    Need a tissue little brother?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    I wish BYu good luck against Idaho.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 12, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    No matter how U spin it, U look bad.

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    As a fan that lived through the 80s I want the rivalry to continue, why not since we clearly own you now. But as a season ticket holder who cares what BYU fans think, I have USC, Oregon, Stanford, Michigan, Cal, Washington to look forward to @RES.

    BYU? See you in 2016.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 12, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    As a BYU fan who thoroughly enjoyed the 80's, I want the rivalry to continue, why not, since Utah will always be BYU's little brother? As a season ticket holder, who cares what our little brother thinks, I have Texas, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, and Utah's swan song to look forward to at LES.

    Utah? See you in 2016 when several years of bottom feeder finishes has helped U understand what it feels like to be the Wazoo.