I'm so tired of sorts writers saying the the SEC is a lock for two teams in
the playoffs. Yes they have been good the past few years. They have not been
great forever. And there is no guarantee they will be in the future.Notre Dame can write its own ticket. BYU will continue to ride the
coattails of ND as an independent.
But... but... but... haven't we been assured repeatedly that Notre Dame and
BYU are BFFs.
@ Howard S.BFFs? Not so sir. Just a figment of your on-going
anti-BYU imagination.No doubt that Notre Dame and BYU have many
attributes in common (just as BYU and Utah have much in common), but at the end
of the day, they will each look out for their own separate good.
This article's main idea seems dated, the committee to pick the final four
is supposed to only use conference championships as tie-breakers in the event of
a tie for the other criteria which has not been totally fleshed out yet but will
not include conference championships. This means, that BYU is actually in a good
position as it can increase it's strength of schedule more easily than
someone who has 75% or more of their games determined by their conference. It
also means that Notre Dame needs no special consideration because of
independence.For a good article related to this look up "Is
BYU's schedule enough to get into new four-team playoffs?" by Greg
Welch on the ksl website. You will see the historical strength of schedule (SOS)
required to get in the top four and the SOS of BYU, Utah, Boise State, TCU and
Notre Dame since 2000. Really interesting article and well researched, it really
shows that you can have a relatively low SOS and be in the top four depending on
the win-loss record of the other top 10 teams.
@RockYour premise is baffling.A bit of a Strawman.The BCS AQ Conference System, is over.Nobody will have an
Exception.It's Top 4 or Bust for everyone.The Notre Dame
Exception referred to a Top 8 finish, which guaranteed them a spot in one of 5
BCS Bowl games. That system is dead in two years.Every team will be
judged on SOS and Won-Loss Record now.ND is always top ten in SOS. BYU would have to improve their schedule considerably. Utah better
get in line behind real programs...SC, Oregon, Washington, ASU, Stanford, UCLA
and Cal.What will be fun to watch is all those teams which rode
Conference Coat-Tails being left out.Most years the Pac will be left on
the sidelines....The AQ's are dead, now anybody has a chance,
some with much better odds, which is the way it should be.
No howie, no one has assured anyone that those two teams ar BFF's. Good
friends yes but not BFF's(by they way, my 9 year old daughter uses that
term quite a bit. I guess maybe your on the same maturity level). BYU
doesn't ride coattails, they are independent. If you want a true coattail
rider, look at any team in the bottom half of a conference(especially BCS) year
in and year out. Maybe wacpad is worried his team will be there,
again...still...after another season in their new conference. Notre
Dame, if they lose one game, still has a very good chance of being in the top 4
by virtue of their SOS. BYU would have to start in the top 20 and go undefeated
to have any shot at all. Not gonna happen this year but, if and when they do, it
will be because they earned it independently
HowieBut... but... but... we do know that Utah is Colorado's
The moment I heard that there would be a 4 team playoff, I felt nothing had
changed. There will still be a group of men in a dark, smoke filled room
deciding who belongs in this new playoff. And I would bet that the process will
favor the SEC, ACC, PAC 12, Big 10, and other conferences that have enjoyed
favorite status in the BCS.
BYU fans have been riding Colorado's coattails for almost a year! Sad.
BYU = Lone RangerND = TontoNow that's funny.
OK - this what will happen2014 - BYU 12-0 and many other major
conferance (no more bcs) schools who are 10-2.who gets in 4 10-2 teams
gets in. No problem2015 - BYU 12-0 again. Same results to other big
schools 10-2 gets in and BYU still looking in. 2016 - Again 12-0 and
Notre Dame 11-1 (ND lost to BYU). ND gets in and BYU still looking in. I can see utah going to be still looking in.Big boys Committees
and NCAA people are such a joke. Nothing going to change!
Another interesting contribution by the Rockmonster. Thanks Brad.Notre Dame is the most popular school in America, BYu the least. Notre Dame
could be in ANY conference they wanted to join. I bet that the MWC wouldn't
accept BYu back even if they begged.BYu is indy because that is
their only option..........,maybe the Big Sky would accept them, maybe?
BYU fans aren't expecting to ride the coattails of ND, and I haven't
hard one say that we are. The sportswriters, on the other hand, can't seem
to leave the topic alone.
It really is a mute point to consider BYU in any possible playoff format. Their
recruiting is ranked in the bottom half, never to improve that much. And, I
don't see their schedule ever that good. They will get a few 2 for 1 deals
with ND, GaTech and the like, but at least half of their schedule will continue
to be un-watchable garbage. BYu football will be gone within the next 6-10
Would this article ever be written in South Bend? ND doesn't even give a
sniff about anyone let alone BYU. Six game schedule is simply a
smart move on ND's behalf and since three of the six are played in
Provo.... Hold on. What? It's only 2 in Provo? That sounds like MWC, WAC
I don't think BYU holds as many cards as some of their more ardent fans
think. This is a team that is begging Utah to play them, and they still think
they are on a par with Notre Dame. It gets a little embarrassing to see such
overreaching. Basically all BYU got from independence was Boise States old TV
Notre Dame represents it's own interests; however, as an independent, what
ND does for itself benefits other independents.Most years there are
only 1 - 3 undefeated teams. The committee will have a hard time leaving an
undefeated team out of the playoffs. Neither BYU nor Utah has a shot at being
selected to the playoffs if they have one loss. However, teams like Alabama,
LSU, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas have a shot at being a Top 4 team even with one
loss, depending on who / how the loss happened.This should give BYU
the opportunity to strengthen their schedule as top teams look to swap out their
real cupcakes for a team like BYU that is more of a Top 20 - 40 team most years
- a team they think they can beat but not always (just ask Oklahoma).
DEW CougarsSandy, UTOK - this what will happen2014 - BYU
12-0 and many other major conferance (no more bcs) schools who are 10-2.who gets in 4 10-2 teams gets in. No problem2015 - BYU 12-0 again.
Same results to other big schools 10-2 gets in and BYU still looking in. 2016 - Again 12-0 and Notre Dame 11-1 (ND lost to BYU). ND gets in and
BYU still looking in. I can see utah going to be still looking
in.Big boys Committees and NCAA people are such a joke. Nothing
going to change!_____________________Why naturally they
would take Notre Dame over BYU in your example.A WAC legacy team that
plays a WAC schedule does not deserve a title shot.In addition, any
team with a 6-9 lifetime record against San Jose St., does not deserve a title
shot either.BYU is out of the running!
CougFaninTx projects "This should give BYU the opportunity to strengthen
their schedule as top teams look to swap out their real cupcakes for a team like
BYU."True -- in September. But then those teams are in conference
play. BYU will replace some cupcakes for the star teams, but BYU will be left
eating its own cupcakes in November.BYU shouldn't follow Notre
Dame's trail. It goes nowhere. ND got to a couple of BCS bowls, but they
never finished above 6th in the BCS rankings. They will not be involved in the
This is one of the least substantive articles I've ever read. I could have
written in one or two sentences what this article conveyed. "While BYU and
Notre Dame maintain a professionally friendly relationship, as evidenced by
their 6-game series, and while both similarly are college football independents,
it can not necessarily be said that Notre Dame is negotiating on BYU's
behalf. Notre Dame will ultimately just look out for Notre Dame." There. You
did not get anything out of this article that I didn't say right there.Furthermore, this is just plain stupid. I get that it's the slow
season in Utah sports and sometimes these columnists have to really reach for
topics, but seriously Brad Rock? Yes, Notre Dame will look out for Notre Dame,
and they are not negotiating on anyone else's behalf. But #1: what's
good for Notre Dame is typically good for BYU. So in a sense, they are
indirectly representing BYU's interests. And #2: The playoff selection
system hasn't been decided, and ultimately it's going to take being
one of the four most regarded teams in the nation to get in, irrespective of
Rock, as usual, is simply stirring the pot; he's no more knowledgeable than
any other college football fan and everything he writes is pure speculation
based on nothing but his own biases.NOBODY knows the exact criteria
that the selection committee will use in deciding the four teams each year; in
fact, it's very likely that the exact criteria will change from year to
year to fit the unique circumstances of each season.Guaranteed, no
matter what criteria is used, there will always be controversy. There will
always be two or three teams who will feel that they were more deserving than
some of the four teams selected.
Utah Hawaii. As it is, the Big East invited BYU. What does say about theRest of your points? Much.
I never assumed that Notre Dame would do more that casually represent BYU's
interest where they are not in conflict with ND.One thing I have not
read is how revenue will be divided. If someone knows this please indicate
what will happen.
This all seems so premature, kind of like worrying about how you are going to
afford the tuition at Yale when you have a 2.4 GPA. Only sports writers (on a
slow day) are thinking of this stuff. BYU has to raise their "GPA"
significantly before they need to worry about getting into the final four
football playoff. If I am being too subtle here let me spell it out another way,
THEY NEED TO WIN. BYU hasn't even been to a BCS bowl game and here we are
stressing over how they are going to crack the final four. As for
looking out of their own interests, yes Utah, TCU, and Boise State did not worry
the other teams in the Mountain West when they moved on -- BUT NEITHER DID BYU!
@SoonerUte - "BYU will be left eating its own cupcakes in November."I disagree. The Utes play Washington State, Arizona and Colorado in
November - not exactly a bunch of juggernauts.Notre Dame will move
to a November game for BYU, like it is in 2013. Hawaii will move to an every
November game on the years when it is played in Hawaii. (Hawaii will improve to
their old self under Chow, and will battle Air Force for MWC top dog most
years.) I wouldn't be surprised if Boise State becomes the last game of
the season for the Cougs. Fill in the rest of November with an Air Force, Navy,
Southern Miss, SMU or even a UTEP and it becomes a decent November schedule -
certainly on par or better than the Utes November schedule.
Same old fluff we've been reading for 30 years...let's just let the
team work this out on the field and put together an undefeated season before we
worry about all this. Utah, Boise, TCU have all made it to BCS bowls and won
twice. What has BYU done? You don't get respect this way. Let's knock
off the hypotheticals and win some games!!
Are there any BYU fans out there that really believe that ND is our tried and
true partner in this? I sure hope that the BYU brass aren't banking their
participation in the post season based upon what ND negotiates. While I do
believe BYU's independent future is brighter with an independent ND,
I've never believed that BYU and ND are co-equals or tied to each other in
some way other than having a 6 game series over the next 8 years. I think that
anything other than this is an exaggeration by media trying to make a mountain
out of a mole hill. The solution to BYU's post season is simple
- just win. Win the big games and score big in the easy ones. Until BYU can
figure out how to start the season 4-0, we don't need to worry about how a
playoff system will work.
This is an other article about the same old debate--has bYu been left
behind,just with another twist. If I were a fan of bYu I too would be grasping
for anything positive, truth is it isn't anything positive and as such most
of their fans have cannot come to grips with this reality. A schedule that
includes the likes of Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Utah
State and the like will not get you in the final four even if you are
undefeated. Any team can get away with playing one or maybe even two such teams
but not half their schedule. Anyone who believes the bottom dwellers of what is
now BCS qualifiers is the same is in the same reality. This is the reason that
Independence does not work for anyone except ND and even they may have a harder
time in the future. I commend the Rockmonster for trying to be honest with the
bYu faithful but they have to be willing to listen. Read their
cougarboard--sadly they are not.
BYU isn't worthy to ride Notre Dames coattails? While the last
20 years have not been exactly glory years for Notre Dame, they are still a
legitimate football power. 13 national championships, 7 heisman winners,
Football Jesus, Rockne, Leahy, Parsegian, Holtz, painting the helmets, annual
rivalries with USC and Navy, one of the most beautiful campuses in the country,
more than 100 winning seasons and no losing seasons since 1936. All as an
independent.What does BYU bring to the table in their second year of
independence? A couple of decades of WAC domination. 1 national championship and
cosmo? There is no comparison. 50 years of success, half dozen
national championships and meaningful rivalries against quality opponents would
put BYU in the discussion. But for now, be realistic. BYU is a third tier team
with a lot to prove.
This is all our Ute friends need to know......Your days of ever
seeing an undefeated season again are long gone. Remember, you achieved
those in the MWC, against teams you now despise and slander.I have
never seen such an Arrogance and "False Sense of Superiority" as has
been displayed by Wannabee Ute fans. Hey Utes.. You're
NOT...SC or Oregon, more like Northwestern or Vanderbilt, without their Academic
credentials. Living under BYU's shadow has jilted U. Utah is
joining a League which calls itself the "Conference of Champions". This
is as a result of "Olympic" Sports Championships.Utah could
not compete in Olympic sports in the old WAC or MWC, certainly not on the level
that BYU did. Is it even realsitic that Utah will ever win a Conference
Championship in "Any Sport"? Gymnastic, maybe?The Arizona
Schools never tooted their own horns like this. In fact, in 34 years since the
Arizona schools left the Conference, ASU has been to a grand total of 2 Rose
bowls while Arizona has never been at all.A strong SOS gives
everybody an equal shot and now Utah's AQ-Conference Coat-Tails have been
Alpine Coug (9:04 p.m. July 7, 2012)....There was an article in the
DN recently stating that ND and byu were and I quote "brothers in
independence"As Such, byu could ride the coat tails of a true
CougFaninTX believes "Hawaii, Boise State, Air Force, Navy, Southern Miss,
SMU, UTEP and it becomes a decent November schedule."I've
been wondering what Cougar fans mean by "quality" when they say the team
will get better quality opponents in November. You mean "Conference USA
quality", a step up from the going-away WAC.I can't say BYU
won't get the teams on your list, but Big East members Boise State and SMU
won't have room for BYU on their November schedule. Hawaii scheduled games
with BYU while a member of the WAC. Can they keep those games in November as a
MWC member? Air Force has November MWC obligations. I am not sure that BYU was
so beloved that the MWC wants to help BYU in November.That leaves
BYU with possible C-USA matchups in November. You think some PAC12 teams are
cupcakes, but don't be surprised if the selection committee ranks the PAC12
Its all about the MONEY which is why the playoff will expand to 16 teams in 5
years or less.
BYU is finding out now that being an independent wasn't the great future it
anticipated. BYU is locked out - pure and simple. They can't recruit and
they have no big bowl game as a reward for a great season. Bronco has one more
year on his contract and unless the Y were to get invited into the BIG 12 I
would say Bronco is gone after next year. BYU is in fast decline as far as NCAA
athletics goes and there is no silver lining in sight. If I am a blue chip high
school athlete I am NOT picking BYU as a college unless I have zero prospects
for post-college play in the pros and I just want a nice clean college
environment to complete my scholarship.
Utah will always be in the NC game. They're in the Pac-12 remember?
A 4-team playoff is better than nothing but what we REALLY need is a 16-team
playoff. Doesn't matter if you win a conference championship or not. If
you're in the top 16, you're in. If not, you're out. 10 regular season games, take the top 16 teams, 4 playoff games makes a total
of a 14 game season for the top 2/last 2 teams. Rotate the required 15 playoff
games (16 teams down to 8 (8 games), 8 down to 4 (4 games), 4 down to 2 (2
games), 2 down to 1 (1 game)) so various cities can share the money of the
playoff games.Advantages:1 - Fewer injuries and more
time to study (they are "STUDENT athlets, after all, aren't they?) for
the bulk of the teams each season.2 - More opportunities to get in
the playoffs.3 - This equals MORE drama and excitement (MORE
games).4 - An undisputed National Champion, and BTW, a champion that
has even MORE bragging rights because they beat more teams to get that crown.
16 teams: DO IT!
"Nothing has really changed."Did anyone see what the left
hand did while making a playoff with the right hand?The Big East and ACC
are kicked out of the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. The
old BCS bowls just got MORE exclusive.It will take Utah a third
undefeated year to bust the "ghost" BCS into the NC. BYU;
get in a conference quick and go undefeated for a few years before the selection
committee will even consider it.
Bluto "The Arizona Schools never tooted their own horns like this. In fact,
in 34 years since the Arizona schools left the Conference, ASU has been to a
grand total of 2 Rose bowls while Arizona has never been at all."In the first year of the Utes PAC-12 season they went to the Sun Bowl to beat
Georgia Tech. Already a big jump from what the MWC could do for them. Should I
list all the bigger bowls the Arizona schools have been too since joining the
PAC?Sure, the Rose Bowl is harder to get to than the Fiesta Bowl.
But, it is in par with the Sugar Bowl and within reach at the beginning of each
year. And when they miss, the result is still bigger than what AZ schools would
get in the WAC.
patriot "BYU is finding out now that being an independent wasn't the
great future it anticipated."C'mon, nobody really believed
it. It was something the Y had to do as reaction to Utah's departure. If
the Y stayed and won the MWC they would get the privilege to play the #5 PAC
team in Vegas, perhaps Utah if they have an off year. BYU had no choice but to
quit and spin their enthusiasm. Hopefully something will come up for the Cougars
SoonerUte - I see you conveniently left Notre Dame off my November schedule for
the Cougs. I'll take Notre Dame, Boise State, Air Force and a Conf USA
team any November. It's heads and shoulders above what U play in
November.And I have no problem agreeing with your proposition that
the PAC12 will be ranked ahead of Conf USA. I just don't think the teams U
play in November are very good. In fact, they are likely the four weakest teams
in the PAC. WSU is the only question mark with a new coach.I'll be anxious to hear how U are feeling after 2013, when you play USC,
Oregon and Stanford. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Washington is
battling for the North crown by 2013. In the South, nobody is even close to
USC. USC will win the South in 9 out of 10 years, and they will win the PAC
ccnference 7 out of the next 10 years. Utah will be battling for the 4 - 8 spot
for the next decade.
canyontruckerIn 2006, the MWC Utes went to the Emerald Bowl in San
Francisco to beat then #24 ranked Georgia Tech(7-5). In 2011, the
PAC 12 Utes went to the Sun Bowl in El Paso to beat unranked Georgia Tech(8-5).
San Francisco > El Paso*yawn*Such a big
jump from what the MWC could do for U.-----------What
most Utah fans have totally ignored is the downside of your move to the PAC 12.
There are going to be many seasons when the Utes don't even qualify for a
bowl; perhaps sooner than U think.
MUSSing with UThe Emerald Bowl is an $837,000 payout on ESPN in late
DEC usually against Navy when they qualify.The Sun Bowl is a $2M
payout on CBS on New Year's Eve.El Paso > San Francisco,
unless your looking for wine and sour dough bread.
LOL! Seriously, CougFaninTX, Boise State and Air Force are NOT available for
November. The Boise State series is already schedule in October. You
don't really expect Boise State to walk into their new conference and say
"Hey, would it be cool with you guys if we play BYU in November instead of a
conference game?"So again, its Notre Dame (which is cool) and
maybe some Conference USA teams.I'm not sure what point
you're trying to make about Utah. I view Utah as being like OKState in the
Big 12. Most years it is going to be OU or Texas representing that league.
This was OSU's year and their fans loved it.Most years in the
PAC its going to be USC or OU, but there will be years when Utah makes a
challenge. Sometimes there is a big prize for 2nd place. They go to the Rose
Bowl if the #1 team goes to the playoffs. Even last place has a nice
consolation - a share of the money. Ute fans will love 2013, and it sounds like
you'll love BYU's Novembers so all is cool, right?
Cowboy DudeSince Utah fans don't get a penny of the bowl
payola, what difference does it make, from a fan perspective, how much money
goes into Utah's coffers?The vast majority of fans would choose
San Francisco over El Paso in a heartbeat.San Francisco > El
Paso (it's not even close)
Ufan said:"Cowboy DudeSince Utah fans don't get
a penny of the bowl payola, what difference does it make, from a fan
perspective, how much money goes into Utah's coffers?The vast
majority of fans would choose San Francisco over El Paso in a heartbeat.San Francisco > El Paso (it's not even close)"BYU fans don't get a penny of the ESPN contract. Yet they love to talk
about how great it is. Have asked before, I thought the route BYU is taking was
not about the money? And then the same fans go after Utah because they get more
money in the PAC. Can't have it both ways BYU fans.And yes I
would take El Paso over Frisco. More money and a great TV slot with ratings
already proved that.
CougFaninTX:"The committee will have a hard time leaving an
undefeated team out of the playoffs. Neither BYU nor Utah has a shot at being
selected to the playoffs if they have one loss."Even Bronco his
teams would likely have to be undefeated TWICE before considered for a playoff
seed. On the other hand, a one-loss Utah team DOES have a shot at selection. A
one-loss Utah team would have had to have beaten at LEAST 2 of the following 3
teams: USC, Oregon, and Stanford. Since the playoff season starts in 2014, the
Utes would have had all 3 of those teams on our schedule. In seasons where the
Utes win the CCG, and hold only a single blemish on our W/L record, the most
likely scenerio would be that we would get in.You Y fans are at some
point going to have to come to grips with the fact that we are not on equal
footing. WE can get in with one loss. YOU'LL have trouble even when
undefeated. And that's because WE'RE in a "Big 4" conference;
YOU play weak SOS.
Dew CougarsbYu will never go undefeated never, it is not a good
enough program. Utah will get there much sooner than the y. You do not have
the players to get any further than #25, that should always be your goal, it is
one that your cougs could actually make. bYu is no even close to have the power
ND has, ND could care less about the y.
cougar fan texasI disagree. The Utes play Washington State, Arizona
and Colorado in November - not exactly a bunch of juggernauts.Our
juggernauts are better than your juggernauts, Idaho, NMSU, and San JoseElk Hair CaddisIts all about the MONEY which is why the playoff
will expand to 16 teams in 5 years or less.4 team play-off contract
with tv and bowl games goes to 2023, hows the fishn?Bleed cougar
blueAnd what do all the bowl games say with a 16 team play-off?BlutoMy true blue cougar, I'm not a wantabee Ute Fan my
superiority of you y fans is an understatement. And my dear bluto byu has put
themselves in a position to have a sos of 70 or lower. You had your moment in
college football, but indy is not a good position to be in now. College
football is passing you buy, you will see that in the next 2-3 years, you just
can't compete against better teams.
SoonerUte"Sometimes there is a big prize for 2nd place."You're ignoring the fact that 2nd place may be a far more formidale
achievement than you're assuming.Beating USC will only be the
first step in winning the division. UCLA, ASU, Arizona, and Colorado aren't
always going to be the weaklings they were last season, so even when Utah does
manage to upset USC, there's no guarantee that one or two of those other
teams won't be good enough to win the division. And, Utah has to survive
all of that just to have the chance of losing to Oregon or Stanford or
Washington or California in the conference championship.As Utah fans
have reminded us ad nauseum for the past two years, Utah is in a "big
boy" conference now. You can't assume that all you have to do to win
the conference is beat TCU and BYU.A good place to start might be
beating all of the 10-loss conference teams on your schedule.
re:CanyontrekerI agree with you ... except aren't you sort of
perplexed as to why the Y hasn't pushed harder for an invite to the BIG 12?
At the time TCU got their invite the BIG 12 was considering the Y but - as I
understand it - the Y wasn't really all that interested in joining the BIG
12 because they didn't want to give up the TV contract with ESPN. I get the
feeling Bronco would love to get into the BIG 12 but feels his hands are tied
due to the politics above him. Bronco is too good of a coach to not be part of
the BCS equation and that is why - as I said before - I think he is gone after
next season unless the Y does an about face and pushes hard for an invite to the
BIG 12. I still think the BIG 12 would take the Y if the conditions were right.
upinthenight"BYU fans don't get a penny of the ESPN
contract. Yet they love to talk about how great it is."Since BYU
has a national fan base, BYU fans are far more interested in being able to watch
and attend BYU bowl games. Unlike Utah fans, who seem to be obsessed with money,
bowl revenue is a very distant 3rd to viewing access and location.Anybody who says they'd rather visit El Paso, than San Francisco, is only
lying to themselves.Guaranteed, more Utah fans traveled from Utah to
the Emerald Bowl, than traveled from Utah to the Sun Bowl.
Mussing man*yawn*Such a big jump from what the MWC could
do for U.It's called MONEY $$$$ More of it Emerald
Bowl $650,000Sun Bowl, $1,200,000 Everything we do from now
on is going to be bigger and better, you guys have the LDS church backing you up
we now have a powerfull conference to help us along. All of you need to realize
that it never was even ground with byu, (private, church owned) you all expected
all of us to sit on our hands and just let byu continue to dominate, it's
not the case anymore. Utah fans are pleased and excited to be in such a great
conference there is nothing you guys can say to down play our conference
affiliation. PAC-12 vs LDS church here in Utah, athletically I'm a Utah
and PAC-12 fan, byu fans you get Idaho in November it's what you all asked
for. Go-Utes, Go-PAC-12
MLH"4 team play-off contract with tv and bowl games goes to
2023, hows the fishn?"You obviously haven't heard about the
"look-in" scheduled for every couple of years to re-evaluate to
post-season landscape. Sports contracts are made to be re-negotiated. What makes
you think that this contract is so fixed and immovable that it is carved in
stone for the next decade? How many times do you think the PAC 12
will stand for being left out of the playoff because two SEC teams or an ACC or
a Big East or a MWC or an Independent finished in the Top 4, before the PAC 12
starts pushing to have the playoff expanded to 8 teams?
MHL"It's called MONEY $$$$ More of it"There's an old, but wise saying:Money won't buy you
happiness.What are you going to do when you have all of the shiny
new facilities you can possibly dream of, and you're still left playing 2nd
fiddle to the big boys of the conference?How long have Arizona and
Arizona State been enjoying all of that money, money, money, and still
haven't been able to break through to the upper echelon of PAC 12
football?The Wildcats and Sun Devils joined the PAC 10 in the late
70's - ASU was a big time program before they joined the PAC 10, but
they've only managed to play in two Rose Bowls in 30+ years; Arizona has
never played in a Rose Bowl. It could be decades before Utah becomes anything
more than a perennial middle of the PAC team.btw, not a dime of
BYU's athletic budget comes from the LDS Church. All of those great BYU
facilities that Utah fans have been envious of for decades were built entirely
with donations received from BYU boosters. Revenue from ticket sales/television
supports the teams.
UFan said, "The vast majority of fans would choose San Francisco over El
Paso in a heartbeat.San Francisco > El Paso (it's not even
close)"With your logic the Hawaii Bowl trumps the Rose Bowl, the
Fiesta Bowl, and the Sugar Bowl. CBS > ESPNOn one
hand, I do hope to go to BYU's Poinsettia Bowl, but face it, it's not
the Sun Bowl.
Patriot"I agree with you ... except aren't you sort of
perplexed as to why the Y hasn't pushed harder for an invite to the BIG
12?"I am so perplexed. You hit the nail on the head. That is
why I am so mad. The day BYU gets into the Big 12 is the day I am taking all my
snack money to the Cougar store to buy me some stuff.Until then, I
am outside RES paying outlandish prices for scalped tickets.
"With your logic the Hawaii Bowl trumps the Rose Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, and
the Sugar Bowl."Not necessarily, since all are great winter
vacation venues.However, for all of those Utah students who are
still living at home on their parents' dime, getting to Pasadena, or
Phoenix, or San Diego, or San Francisco is alot more "doable" than
Honolulu or New Orleans.I have many Utah friends who spent a couple
of years paying off their trip to the Sugar Bowl and none of my Utah friends
even considered spending New Years Eve in El Paso.Bottom line: The four-team playoff has leveled the playing field considerably - no
more "qualifying" simply because you happened to be champions of a
particular conference. Do you really think a PAC 12 champion Utah
team, even if the Utes are undefeated, is going to get an automatic invite over
an undefeated Florida State or Miami or Va Tech from the ACC or a one-loss Notre
Dame if the SEC, Big 12 and Big Ten all have teams ranked in the Top 4?Looking forward to the responses; warning, it's a trap question.
OK this is way of subject now, but stop knocking El Paso if you have not been.
The Sun Bowl is built into the mountain - cool! The town had the red carpet out
& white gloves on. The parade and food was like Mazatlan without the beach.
And since we flew into Albuquerque, many of us went skiing in Santa Fe. They
were as great as the old Liberty Bowl games in Memphis, except we were on
CBS.San Francisco didn't know there was a game. (Utah lucked
out that the ACC had 4 top 25 teams in 2006 to play ranked Georgia Tech.)Re: Do you really think a PAC 12 champion Utah team, even if the Utes
are undefeated, is going to get an automatic invite over an undefeated Florida
State or Miami or Va Tech from the ACC or a one-loss Notre Dame if the SEC, Big
12 and Big Ten all have teams ranked in the Top 4?That is exactly my
point. BYU can't even go to the top 4 without a conference. The PAC 12
does have an auto in unless no PAC-12 is ranked and the ACC champion or ND
finishes in the top 4.
Riddles in the Dark "Do you really think a PAC 12 champion Utah team, even
if the Utes are undefeated, is going to get an automatic invite over an
undefeated Florida State or Miami or Va Tech from the ACC or a one-loss Notre
Dame if the SEC, Big 12 and Big Ten all have teams ranked in the Top 4?"If USC finishes with one loss, than the answer is - Absolutely. But, we
are now playing into double if's. So, it's kind of a ridicules
riddle. Let's just play for the Rose Bowl. The NC is not happening for a
CougFaninTX:"I'll take Notre Dame, Boise State, Air Force
and a Conf USA team any November."But will THEY take YOU in
November. THAT's issue here. Because between now and the end of the 2015
season, you have only 7 Nov/Dec dates scheduled, out of a possible of 19
potential game days. Of those 7 scheduled games, 3 are WAC teams, 2 are
Hawai'i, one So. Mississippi, and one Notre Dame.But no BSU or
AFA."It's heads and shoulders above what U play in
November."Well, THIS year, Utah has (1) WSU, (2) UWa, (3) Ariz,
and (4) Colo. The Indy-WACers, on the other hand, have (1) bye, (2) Idaho, (3)
SJSU, and (4) NMSU. Heads and shoulders above what the U plays? Haha! You
can't back that up. Don't be so frantic and emotional.
Bottom line is BYU needs to get into a formerly known as BCS conference to
compete. To date Holmoe hasn't shown the ability to fill out a full
schedule worthy of a National Champion. Until BYU gets rid of the WAC teams
(actually there is no more WAC after this season) in November, BYU will always
be left on the outside. I really wish BYU had of joined Utah in the
Pac-12. Things would have been so much better on so many different fronts. But
alas, the Pac-12 passed on the Cougs. The Big-12 passed. The Big East - well,
who wants that anyway? So now what? Independent is a long long long road that
has only been traveled well by Notre Dame - for obvious reasons. To try to link
BYU and ND is ridiculous. I'm stuck somewhere between BYU making another
run at the Big-12 and BYU dropping to Div IAA or going the way of Ricks College.
None seems likely, but all options seem as likely as the other. A real pickle.
Snack PACHow long have Arizona and Arizona State been enjoying all
of that money, money, money, and still haven't been able to break through
to the upper echelon of PAC 12 football?The Wildcats and Sun Devils
joined the PAC 10 in the late 70's - ASU was a big time program before they
joined the PAC 10, but they've only managed to play in two Rose Bowls in
30+ years; Arizona has never played in a Rose Bowl. It could be decades before
Utah becomes anything more than a perennial middle of the PAC team.btw, not a dime of BYU's athletic budget comes from the LDS Church. All
of those great BYU facilities that Utah fans have been envious of for decades
were built entirely with donations received from BYU boosters. Revenue from
ticket sales/television supports the teams.________________________Awww that last paragraph just tugs your
heart strings don't it?Its not all about football. Both AZ & ASU
have won national titles in other sports.
WACpaddled"Its not all about football. Both AZ & ASU have
won national titles in other sports."Who are you kidding? Conference realignment has been TOTALLY about football.Except for women's gymnastics, which haven't been affected in the
least by conference realignment, Utah's other sports aren't even a
blip on the radar.
SportsFanOrem, UTWACpaddled"Its not all about
football. Both AZ & ASU have won national titles in other sports."Who are you kidding? Conference realignment has been TOTALLY
about football.Except for women's gymnastics, which
haven't been affected in the least by conference realignment, Utah's
other sports aren't even a blip on the radar._____________________I'm not kidding anyone because I was
responding to the comment by Snac Pac about AZ & ASU.
If USC has 2 losses, and Utah goes undefeated, and byu has 1 loss, and Virginia
has 1, and Florida State has 2 losses, with Nebraska undefeated and Penn State
also is undefeated, with Southern Mississippi 1 loss, and North Carolina
undefeated, and Stanford wins the conference championship along with Alabama
thiers, Ohio State and Michigan have 1 loss, Notre Dame has 3, and O we
can't forget about Boise, who goes?
MLH:If Utah is undefeated, then they would've had to have
beaten USC. Furthermore, an undefeated Utah team means Stanford couldn't
have won the Pac-12.Nebraska and Penn State can't both go
undefeated. They're in the same conference, so even if they don't
meet during the regular season, they'd meet up in the CCG. If OSU and
Mich. both have one loss, then the tiebreaker goes to the Head-to-Head year-end
game.If UNC is undefeated, then they would've had to have
beaten UVa and FSU.So who goes? Utah, the Neb/PSU CCG winner,
'Bama, and either BSU or the winner of the Mich/OSU game.