Does Riley Nelson not count as having flourished as BYU quarterback after a
@Sanpete in UtahI think it's too early to say about Riley
Nelson. I say we should leave that decision till after his playing career has
Why did Max Hall come home after a year ?
Good luck to you Tanner. I think you've made a great decision to serve.
Bronco is doing a great job managing the difficult dynamics Missionaries present
to their Footbal Program.These young athletes who choose to serve
missions can succeed if they have enough patience with themselves as Tanner
seems to have. He knows the risks and rewards and realizes it's a 5-7 year
journey.There are disadvantages to the Missionary Program on a team
to be sure, but Bronco has turned it to his advatage. He's created a nice
"Farm-System" for himself.While others play
Checkers....Bronco is playing Chess!Between Bingham and Timpview
High, Snow College and the Missionary Program, he has players lined up as far as
the eye can see. ie Hall and Olsen among many others. Their QB
situatuion looks great for many years to come.
Assuming Taysom Hill is the starter after this season, this sets Tanner up for
three years as the starter after his mission. Three years with
Taysom and three years with Tanner is a pretty bright future. This should add
two more RMs to the list of successful QBs. BYU will regain it's
reputation as QBU.Although Billy Green, Ammon Olsen, Munns, and
Kuresa could have something more to say about the starting rotation. The QB
future looks bright.
Tanner,Congratulations on a great decision to serve a mission. The
two years will fly by and the amount of personal growth will more than
compensate the temporary leave of absence you will experience in sports. Here's wishing the greatest blessings for you and your family for
your service. It will make a positive difference in your life on and off the
It's great to see young men like Tanner who have already developed such a
clear vision of setting priorities at such a young age. Good luck on your
mission Tanner. We'll look forward to seeing you on the field when you
Here is the key - and kudos to the parents and Church leaders who taught this
young man what is important:"Fortunately, I decided when I was
young that I was going to serve a mission, so before I had all of these
opportunities to play in college I already had the goal of going on a mission.
It's not something I really thought about not doing," said Mangum. "It's going to be hard, but I know that I'll be blessed
for it and I know it's the right thing to do, so it's not a decision
I've ever really struggled with."The same can be said for
all tough decisions our kids make. It is our job to discuss the tough
situations with them (not ignore them and hope), and prepare them so that when
they face them, the decision is already made.
Tanner must come from a great home with great parents.
@runnerguy50Why do you care? Seems like a personal issue to me that
only Max Hall and maybe his family need to know.
Wait - what? I thought returned missinaries gave BYU an unfair advantage. Are
you telling me that Norm Chow, et al are wrong? Perish the thought!
This is an aspect of the culture here in Utah that should generate respect and
encouragement for the young men & women who have various forms of talent
(not just in athletics) who choose to follow a higher personal pathway. It was noticeable that some folks commenting on Harvey Langi's
recent similar decision clearly don't get it... but fortunately many
do.Clearly the odds for success in life AND on the gridiron are in
this young man's favor. To Tanner, a toast ---- L'Chaim!!
So being happy and positive means you aren't competitive? WHAT?
Sounds pretty much awesome.
Way to go Tanner; you will never regret your decision!
The benefits certainly aren't in athleticism, Cougar fans don't care.
With such a short list of successful QB's, serving a mission is a negative
for football, but that's not what life is all about. Tradition, Spirit,
Honor.Have a great mission Tanner
This Ute wishes Tanner the best.
Tanner is a wonderful young man and he will make the world a better place. I
just wish he realized that he could be a better missionary by staying and
playing football and taking BYU to the NC. But I respect his choice and wish him
I have to say, certain people I follow on Twitter stated months ago that Tanner
received his mission call to Chile, and would be leaving this month. Either they
were wrong, which isn't likely, or Tanner postponed it. . . Which
isn't necessarily a bad thing. In the article he stated that he is grey
shirting to get a feel for college, instead of having to dive completely in as
an RM. He may have asked for a deferment, which, I understand the church reviews
on an individual basis. I don't know if he'll have to resubmit papers,
or if his calling to Chile is still his, either way, I wish him the best.
Great choice by a great young man. Always good to see these young men make
choices that are much more important than the sport in which they
participate.Good luck of your mission and here's hoping for a
great football future for you when you return.
Re: JP Skillet"I just wish he realized that he could be a better
missionary by staying and playing football and taking BYU to the NC." Wow--I most seriously have to disagree with that. What is your
definition of a "better missionary"? I would frankly take one any day
who doesn't think his considerable talent warrants an exemption to the
"every worthy young man" directive. But, given that it
apparently isn't completely obvious how some LDS athletes' minds work,
let's discuss it. I have a son who plays another sport, who may be very,
very good when he is older. He has also committed (at an early age, like
Tanner) to serve a mission. And guess what--the idea of being the very best he
can be in sports while having people say he would be a better missionary by not
going is extremely serious motivation indeed. Tanner Mangum, good luck to you,
and I hope you read this.
@JP Skillet Serving for two years makes a far better missionary out
of you. That's when you really grind down and do the work. And why not
achieve both missionary goals? Go out for two years and serve. Then come back
and make the NC. He can do it if he really works for it. And the first is still
the far better choice everytime
Re: Ed GradyDon't perish your thoughts just yet. I've
never heard anyone speak to an advantage returned missionaries have at the QB
(i.e. skilled) position. It's usually referred to Offensive Linemen where
two years maturity can be an advantage.
"How short is the list of BYU quarterbacks who have flourished after
returning from two years of service in the mission field? Well, it includes
exactly two..." -- Brandon Gurney"Doman feels that the
positives Mangum and others can obtain over those two years greatly outweigh any
negatives. 'The tradeoff — with all the leadership skills, the
maturity level and everything else — I'd trade that in every time for
what you can potentially lose over those two years,' said Doman. 'You
just can't substitute what you can gain over the course of a mission and
what you come home with. It can be absolutely huge for our players and has
proven to be a huge benefit to this program.'" -- Brandon GurneyDo cougar QBs flourish after their missions, or were there only 2? If
there were only 2, than the missions HADN'T been proven as a huge benefit.
But if it HAD proven to be a huge benefit, than there had to have been greater
than 2 RM QBs who have flourished. So which IS it?
"There are disadvantages to the Missionary Program on a team to be sure, but
Bronco has turned it to his advantage. He's created a nice
'Farm-System' for himself." -- BlutoWell, it certainly
worked with "Farming" Riley Nelson while recruiting him out from under
Utah State while he was on his mission."While other play
Checkers....Bronco is playing Chess." -- BlutoAnd while Bronco
is playing Chess, his players are playing "hot potato" with the
football. Whittingham and HIS players just line up and play Football. And
that's probably why Utah won 7 of the last 10, and pounded Bronco's
"Band of Butterfingers" on his Home field to the tune of 54-10.
ImaCaMan:"I've never heard anyone speak to an advantage
returned missionaries have at the QB (i.e. skilled) position."Then I suppose you didn't read the article. According to Brandon Gurney,
former-cougar-QB turned QB-coach/Offensive Coordinator Brandon Doman,
"...feels that the positives Mangum and others can obtain over those two
years greatly outweigh any negatives.""The tradeoff —
with all the leadership skills, the maturity level and everything else —
I'd trade that in every time for what you can potentially lose over those
two years.....You just can't substitute what you can gain over the course
of a mission and what you come home with. It can be absolutely huge for our
players and has proven to be a huge benefit to this program." -- Brandon
I admire this young man's decision and his maturity. I especially liked a
few of his quotes."Fortunately, I decided when I was young that
I was going to serve a mission, so before I had all of these opportunities to
play in college I already had the goal of going on a mission. It's not
something I really thought about not doing," said Mangum. "It's going to be hard, but I know that I'll be blessed for it
and I know it's the right thing to do, so it's not a decision
I've ever really struggled with."Regardless of your
religious affiliation, I think this line of thinking will serve him well
throughout his life.
Umm... see you in a couple years?Hope you do better than Jakey Boy.
I'm sure you will.
I was surprised that Tanner was Grayshirting as well. I thought he was heading
straight out on a mission but I don't really know when his birthday is. I
was wondering if Bronco asked him to Grayshirt just to gage his sense of
entitlement compared to Jake Heaps. I think that Bronco made some exceptions
during the recruitment of Jake and that it has soured him a little more on how
entitled these guys feel while being recruited and the fact that they expect the
path to starting to be wide open when they get to the program. I think playing
Jake as a true freshman knowing that he wasn't ready to "lead" a
team went against just about everything he thinks as a head coach. He
doesn't want to ever repeat that again and some recruits won't like
that and will take their game to other programs. Bronco will be fine with that
but will we as fans?
He will regret this decision. He'll loose some skill and get soft. This is
a bad decision on so many levels.
Congratulations Tanner for your decision to serve. You won't regret it.
BYU DEEK. Some of the young men in our ward entered the MTC 6 months after
receiving their mission call due to Visa issues with the the host country. This
may be his situation also.
Classy Utes abound! Thanks for that!
That's perfect. Jordan Wynn will have graduated and after he transfers to
the U he can compete with Wilson and Hansen for the QB position.(Note: the above comment is for all of you that made ridiculous posts about
Harvey Langi becoming a Cougar when he finishs his mission.)
NavalVetHere you are again?Three successive posts? Still
consumed with all things BYU..Which dosen't display a great deal of
confidence on your part, with your own team.I thought U and your Utes had
moved on?Too big for BYU? Then act like it! However, we
all know you can't, as you hang on every little tidbit of news on BYU
Athletics, as you feel a need to counter anything positive on BYU.You have
a chronic case of an Inferiority Complex.-Fourty years of BYU
domination in all Sports-Watching BYU produce All-Americans by a ratio of
5-1-National Award winners-Hall of Famers-Big & full
Stadiums and Arenas -Legacy Programs-National Fan Base-Major
Network exposureHas taken it's toll on you.....Remedies...-Thou shalt not Covet.-Celebrate your Big
Brothers achievements (don't be jealous)-Try to equal BYU's
achievements.-Settle on a mascot...Utes, Red Tailed Hawks...Red
Rocks......pick one!-Go Fishing and Salute the Y.Finally..Obtain a sense of humor, the long BYU shadow will still always hang over you,
but at least you'll be able to laugh about it..
I am all for young men serving a two year mission, and I take my hat off to
Tanner for sticking to his deciscion. However, I have followed BYU football for
many, many years, and do have to say that in my opinion, Tanner will never
attain greatness as a BYU quarterback following his mission. Most of the time
when stellar athletes in high school leave for missions, they are never the same
when they return. There is a big list of athletes, that were great high school
players, and then left on missions, only to return and just be mediocre players
at best. So you BYU fans that think Tanner is going to break this mold, I
wouldn't hold your breath. Two years is a long time to be away from
football. But Tanner, I admire you for your choice, and wish you the best
success during and following your mission!
Big mistake. Life is not always about serving a mission in one's youth. He
would serve better by playing football and becoming an "on the field"
example. I don't see the passing of a mission by Steve Young as a
deterrent. The good Lord bless this kid with talents. To put them on hold, why?
He can serve a mission when his career is over. There is no commandment that
says every young man MUST serve. And sorry, but there is never a guarantee that
serving a mission will bring untold blessings. That is not a firm truth. It is
more folklore. To add pressure on any young man's life as to what he should
or shouldn't do by the time he is 19 is ridiculous. It is and should be his
choice, not the 'pressured' choice of his parents or even the church.
I detest the adage, "Every young man should serve a mission." No, every
young man shouldn't and doesn't have to. As a culture, we equate
success with serving a mission. No church has the right to connote success with
serving a mission. It is a false truth.
I love college football more than any other sport spectacle and haven't
missed attending a home Ute game for years. But football fails to compare to
serving in the capacity of a missionary for someone that has made that a goal. I
look back at the mission experience and the rewards play dramatically into my
professional career and most importantly my responsibility as a husband and
Gray shirt, 2 year mission, redshirt followed by 4 years of elligibility. Home
boy is going to be 26 when he gets done playing.
I had high hopes for Tanner. Not so much now, he will come back with the
physique of a 32 year old out fielder. Just another highly touted QB; joining
the bermuda (sp) triangle of college football recruits. These highly rated QBs
seldom work out at BYU...aka Jake Heeps!
@spokane uteAs opposed to how they "work out" at utah? Oh
that's right, utah never gets any "highly rated qb recruits and almost
never has good qb's. Just the way it is.
@ DuckyYeppers, that Alex Smith sure was a bust.Blah ha
Returning from a mission as a QB is tough - you lose so much of your throwing
motion and arm strength plus the timing and ability to read defenses . However
Tyler won't have to worry about any of that too much since BYU doesn't
throw the ball much anymore under the new "run and boot" offense. BYU
wants a "mobile" QB (key word for running QB). Doman excelled under the
funky offense of Crowton - mostly run first offense. If I am Tyler and I want to
throw the ball in college I am taking this opportunity to look around at other
schools. At 6'3" tyler won't fit the run-style offense of Doman
and will most likely end up like Jake Heaps.BYU wants the 5'10"
scramblers that can fool you with the pass once in a while...like R. Nelson.
@spokane ute1st of all alex smith was not a highly rated recruit by
any stretch. If I remember correctly he had exactly 1 offer. 2nd of all he was a
decent college system qb but certainly not great. As a pro he has been pretty
disappointing with a grand total of about 1 good quarter of 1 playoff game to
his credit.But utah "fans" are not well versed in great
college qb's, they have NEVER had one. Not one. So I understand your
@patriotWho's Tyler? Never heard of him. If you are talking
about Tanner well perhaps you ought to become a bit more educated on the actual
names of BYU recruits if you are going to keep trying to pretend that you are a
@ DuckyI guess if the #1 draft pick in the NFL doesn't define a
great college QB, nothing does. I guess if leading a team to the NFC
championship is considered "dissapointing"; I'll take it. I
didn't notice any BYU QB's in the playoffs. Haven't for quite
some time. Also, Calling some one out for a mistake on a name? Weak Sauce; very
@spokane uteThe 49ers regret that draft pick to this day. It rates
as possibly the worst #1 draft pick in nfl history. Also smith didn't
"lead" anyone to the nfc championship, he jjust managed to not screw it
up. That defense did all the "lead"ing.But once again if one
decent quarter of one game makes a qb "great" then your standards are
@ Duck HunterAlex Smith was the 9th highest ranked QB at the end of
the season. That's higher than Ben Rothlensberger, Phillip Rivers and Cam
Newton. Yeah, that's "great" by anyone's standards. No BYU
QB's made the top 35. Check Mate!LOL!