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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    "Demand 2 for 1's"

    Another reason I love being in a BCS conference, with BCS quality athletes, BCS quality coaches, 2 BCS bowls, 2 BCS wins, 2 undefeated season.

    Frankly, within a few years byu and utah state will be fighting weber for the leftovers.

    There is one program in the state that has PROVEN it can and is among the nation's elite programs.

    How many programs in the entire country have 2 BCS wins?

    Maybe 20? I honestly don't know, but I'd love for a byu fan to compile the list and let me know what kind of company Utah is among.

    The future of football in Utah,

    is UTAH

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 2, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    2 fo 1 is great. Two in Provo, one in SLC. Hey maybe ND will agree for two for ones with USC, somebody should ask them.

    There is no REAL reason for utah to pursue 2 for 1, none, except arrogance.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    Dear former rivals:

    Thanks for the many fun years. Thanks for supporting us while we went on several runs to BCS games. Thanks for supporting us while we had several undefeated seasons. Thanks for allowing us a good "gimme" game early on last year(see 54-10).

    You are no longer needed. If we do ever want another "gimme" game, we'll let you know. If we do, 2 for 1 is the best we can offer, as you are not an "AQ" school. Regardless of the changing landscape of college football, no matter how things shake out, there will be two constants:

    1. Utah will be IN

    2. byu will be OUT.

    Thanks again. We wish you the best in your rivalry games with utah state and weber in the years to come.

    Sincerly,

    Your older brother Ute Nation

  • nwcoug White Salmon, WA
    July 2, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    Scheduling Utah does nothing to help BYU unless it is in November. It is no loss to the Y to have better programs like Nebraska, West Virginia, Boise State, and Notre Dame play BYU early in the year. Unless BYU gets Utah to commit to a November game, I would drop them unless they would do a 2 for 1 with BYU having every 3rd year in slc. The fact is that Utah needs cupcakes early so they don't want BYU. BYU needs SOS late which Utah can't provide. Rivalry dead. A school of BYU's stature, fan base, facilities, track record, and prestige would never stoop so low as to consider a 2 for 1 in Utah's favor. Funny thing is that the bcs era has been the most successful time in Utah football history. Little quoted fact. Average bcs ranking in the bcs era since 2007... BYU 23, Utah 24. (see cbssports.com).

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 2, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    The fact that Peru has a chance to care is amazing! Come on Rock you're a media guy. No reason to bash that kind of reach.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    big 12 call yet?

    And they won't.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    For a team of such interest to ute loser trolls, I hope someone important cares.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    3grandslams:

    "There is no REAL reason for utah to pursue 2 for 1, none, except arrogance."

    We demand 2 for 1 because WE CAN.

    The difference between Ute arrogance and byu arrogance is that Ute arrogance comes from 2 BCS bowls, 2 undefeated season, a BCS conference invite, 2 BCS wins, and a 54-10 beatdown over our former rivals.

    byu arrogance comes from preseason national championship contender status(dubbed solely by other byu fans)

    LOL

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 2, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    RE: you're welcome for the give me game. Glad you finally recognize for what it was. I hope you sent a postcard to Heaps.

    Several undefeated seasons? Really, cuz I missed those "several" seasons. I saw a couple and 04 was, well speaking of give me's, did you send Crowton a card too?

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    July 2, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    Chris B, "We demand 2 for 1 because WE CAN.", if your team is so good, the sentense should read "We are offered 2 for 1 because WE CAN."

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 2, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    I for one want this rivalry to continue. We can't talk football smack if there is nothing to talk about.

    Chris B: You sometimes are funny but are getting obnoxious even to us die hard Utah fans. You had nothing to do with the success of Utah. Nor did I. All we do is spend our hard earned money on tickets, travel with the team and buy shirts and hats and all sorts of stuff. (at least I do) Think of something new to say instead of recycling the same post over and over. Everyone knows Utah has been better as of late. No need to say it again. If you do, bring another angle.

    Go Utes!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 2, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    2 for 1 if the game is played in November, if you could, but you CAN'T. Mamma won't let you come out and play.

    2 for 1 in September, won't happen, don't even go there. 1 for 1 would be hard enough. Utah needs cupcakes in September, and obviously BYU isn't one, last year notwithstanding, or Utah would already have extended the schedule.

    And BYU can get good teams in September. Utah is a good team, really. But not 2 for 1 good.

    But, Chris, for someone who finished lower third in the PAC and got beat by the worst road team in America, at home, your behavior is embarrassing. No wonder Utah fans claim you are really a deranged BYU fan trying to make Utah look stupid. You do it well.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    July 2, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Cougar fans - look at the arrogance of these UU posters. Now consider that your tax money is going to support their arrogance. That's right - over $5 million per year in taxpayer funds subsidize the UU athletic department. When are BYU fans that are paying the UU athletics tax going to stand up, and demand a refund?

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    July 2, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    Chris Hill is acting extremely arrogantly for my liking. There is no reason we can't scedule BYU at Provo in 2013. No good reason at all. As the schedule stands, in 2013 we play 4 conference road games. Playing at BYU gives us 5 road games in total. We play 5 conference home games plus Utah St. Schedule in a FCS team to make it 7 at home and 5 on the road. The next season BYU comes to us and we go to Michigan. No conflict there. This rivalry must continue. We all love the game, we all love the banter. I fear it will die until Mr. Chris Hill retires from his post as AD. Check your ego at the door Chris.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 2, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    If the only way for the rivalry to continue is if Utah demands 2-for-1's then it is DEAD! BYU fans would NEVER support that unless it was two games in Provo for every one in SLC. And if by some miracle BYU did agree to do a 2-for-1 series with Utah Cougar fans like myself would boycott the games. And for the record, I would prefer to play Utah State on a 1-for-1 basis going forward. They have made big improvements to their program so that it is competitive again and they deserve to be treated as true in-state rivals.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    July 2, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Hey Chrissy - did you lose your job? Come Chris how old are u and grow up. You got what you want with tun!

    Sorry, no discussion from u team up north how the format talk going on. Have fun getting clobbered year after year like we have seen with Zona school who left the wac.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 2, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    "Another reason I love being in a BCS conference"

    Enjoy it while it lasts because the BCS is a dead man walking. You got two more seasons to gloat about it and then its gone! And the first season wasn't anything to write home about either.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 2, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    My, my, Chris B. Does your mom know you're spending all this time blogging??

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    Those utes, the ones like Chris B, they're so wise, so undeniable, so full of swag. Chris knows how to boast about the last seven years better than anyone. The u has such a strong tradition. They've had more pro players, more hall of famers-college and pro, more all americans, more heisman winners, more doak walker winners, more davey obrien winners, more national champions, more league champions, more academic all americans. How can anyone argue with his sound understanding and intellect. The u is so much better than the Y in every way. They are so supreme. They should never have to play in cougar stadium again, forget 2-1's! They are the chuch norris of college football in utah. They should get a win every year just for allowing the Y to play them the last 100 years. The only reason the SEC didn't invite them to their conference is because they were too intimidated. They knew utah would destroy them all. They did the pac 10 a favor, out of kindness of their hearts. The PAC chose Texas first as a smoke screen. That utah, they're domination defined.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 2, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    Laughing at all the Y fans calling Utah arrogant for demanding a 2 for 1. That's exactly what BYU has been doing to Utah State for years. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

    54-10

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    bYu media being broadcast in 102 countries is like a tree falling in the forest, if nobody is watching or there to hear it, did it really happen?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 2, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    It wasn't that long ago that Bronco was complaining about the atmosphere surrounding the rivalry game and saying if the two schools couldn't get a grip on things it would be better not to play the game. I think a break would do everyone some good. Maybe the next time we play it can be about football again.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 2, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    nwcoug
    White Salmon, WA

    It is no loss to the Y to have better programs like Nebraska, West Virginia, Boise State, and Notre Dame play BYU early in the year.

    ---------

    I think you're overselling that a bit.

    BYU currently has exactly one game scheduled with Nebraska. One with West Virginia. A few with ND and a slew with BSU.

    What about the other 20-30 games?

    It's ridiculous to imply that BYU can schedule whoever they want, whenever they want. Because they can't.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 2, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    BYU is in absolutely no position whatsoever to even thinking about asking Utah for 2-for-1s. You guys aren't even close to that level.

    The fact is, BYU may eventually have to accept 2-for-1s with Utah because Holmoe is finding out it's very difficult to fill up that 12 game schedule every season.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    July 2, 2012 6:09 p.m.

    Let's remember that as an independent, BYU must find 12 teams to play each year. That is why they went into a scheduling agreement with the WAC, to help fill the schedule, but that may not last much longer and offered a maximum of 6 games. BYU has many holes to fill each year and they would love to have as many standard rivalry games as possible. That is how Notre Dame does it, with annual games most years against Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, USC, Navy, and others.

    Utah gets 9 games each year from the PAC-12, at least 4 at home. They only have room for 3 additional games.

    Finding time for Utah on BYU's schedule is infinitely easier than finding time for BYU on Utah's. Thus, the dilemma Bronco faces.

  • nwcoug White Salmon, WA
    July 2, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    No such thing as BCS anymore. BYU and Utah are on a level playing field. Oh wait, they are not. BYU is on National TV everyweek.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    July 2, 2012 6:39 p.m.

    Why would BYU and Utah benefit more from a 2 for BYU, 1 for Utah situation?

    Pretty simple: seats. BYU's stadium holds more, so the potential for revenue is higher. In fact, I could be wrong, but that is one of the major justifications for big programs to demand 2-1 in scheduling "lesser" schools. I'm not going to claim that it is always the case, since BYU often plays 2-1 situations against schools with comparable, or fewer, seats in their stadiums. But it is a big reason why it happens.

    Just throwing that out there. I'll be honest, it could be a completely false argument. But I really would be shocked to find that number of seats is not a reason for scheduling 2-1 situations.

  • Wash DC Reader Reston, VA
    July 2, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    It is shameful for a beat writer to say something like Utah should demand a 2:1 with BYU for the only logical reason to get additional readers and comments. Dumb ploy if you ask me. Also, it is odd that he would be so negative on the fact that folks down in Central and South America can watch BYU sports... I guess some people are just half half empty people. On a side note, my sister and brother-in-law (a Ute fan) were just called as the mission presidents in Costa Rica and he was mentioning how he wished that he could watch Ute games when down there. I guess he will just be stuck watching BYU sports for the next three years.

    My two cents.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 2, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    Funny stuff Rockmonster!

    By the way, has anyone ever tried to find BYUtv on their satellite or cable box yet? I won't ever bother to look.

    As the Rock said.........2 for 1 is all Utah will offer to BYu........if they ever choose to offer? I sure hope Utah doesn't however.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 2, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    @ Nevada Coug,

    Utah doesn't need to play BYu anymore and shouldn't. All Utah home games are already sold out and tickets are 2x-5x more expensive than at LES. Utah's gate makes way more than BYu. BYu can't give away tickets to the games because of the lousy teams that play there now. Yeah, I can't wait to see Idaho vs BYu at LES on a Thursday starting at midnight EST in November.........boy, that sounds grrrrreat!?

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    "We demand 2 for 1 because WE CAN."

    Sorry little brothers, but your big brother couldn't care less about your petulant little "demands".

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    July 3, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    I can vouch: There are BYU fans in Peru.

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    July 3, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    Probably not many in Peru. On the other hand, my son in Mexico City regularly runs into people on the street wearing BYU gear...

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 3, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    Being realistic and removing all the false bravado ... I don't ever see a 2 for 1 situation between the U and the Y with the possible exception of playing 2 games in a row in SLC so the game could be scheduled at Utah in years when they only play 4 home conference game. More likely the game simply skips a year.
    But please quit with any comments that Utah is scared to play the Y and look at the facts. A home and home series with Michigan is a much better option for the U right now and the rivalry game could use a break next year.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 3, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    U-H

    "Utah's gate makes way more than BYU"

    Sorry, you're not even close.

    20,000 more seats x $50 average ticket price = $1 million more per game at LES, conservatively. And that doesn't even count concessions and sporting gear sales.

    Once again, long on hyperbole, short on facts.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    July 3, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Hi Rock,

    Having lived in Peru for a time where I met several BYU fans who weren't LDS, I feel I can definitively answer your question.

    Yes.

    You should get out more.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 3, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    utah is in absolutely no position whatsoever to even thinking about asking BYU for 2-for-1s. You guys aren't even close to that level.

    The fact is, utah may eventually have to accept 2-for-1s with BYU because Hill is finding out it's very difficult to generate interest in a conference bottom-dweller program.

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    July 3, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    I find it amusing when Ute fans bring up the fact that they are in an AQ conference. Enjoy it for the next two years because there will be no AQ after that. It will be about the four team tournament which has nothing to do with conference membership.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    The sad part of the rivalry is the hate. Read the comments and you see a lot of that. Way to much. In some cases as we can see to the point of obsession.

  • Currently_in_Peru Lima/ Peru, 00
    July 3, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    I'm in Peru and care about BYU football. Should probably pick a country where the LDS church is not so strong. I am grateful for all the ways I can keep up BYU football out of the country. Go Cougs!!!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 3, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    @Hawaii-Ute

    Utah's gate makes more than BYU's?
    With 20k fewer fans and Utah's taco bell-free tickets promotions??
    Uh, not quite Chuckie.
    Swing and a miss, try again.

    As for BYU needing Utah in September?

    BYU can schedule anybody in September, unless the Utes want a November game, BYU should forget Utah.
    We would much rather see our old rivals ASU, Arizona and other Pac 12 teams in September than Utah.

    As for 2 for 1's.....

    Tell you what Utah, when your program produces a National Championship, Heisman Trophy, Outlands, Doak Walker, Sammy Baugh and Davey O'Brien Winners and when you've had even one College Hall of Famer, get back to us....

    Until then, go pound sand.

    All BYU needs to do is make Boise St. the Rivalry game.
    Boise St. is a much bigger Brand than Community College Utah and Boise has an actual National Brand.

    Then rry to extend the Notre Dame deal.

    Put Hawaii and Utah State as annual November games or maybe a Service Academy, Army, Navy or Air Force and that's a very nice November.

    Bronco said they are working on such scenarios.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Anyone who thinks all 120 FBS teams are on the same level due to the four-team playoff is kidding themselves. The Big 4 still have the power and there is no way they would agree to a system that didn't protect their interests.

    @Whoa Nellie

    Utah doesn't have to be close to that "level" simply because the Utes have all the bargaining power. Thanks to conf. affiliation there will always be intriguing teams in RES every season. BYU does not have that luxury built in with independence. Also, now BYU has no choice but to find more quality teams to fill its schedule if it wants to be a contender in the new system. Utah on the other hand can have a very mediocre OCC schedule and still earn a spot.

    As for the lack of interest, Utah just saw a 98% season ticket renewal rate for the second straight year. I submit that you are incorrect on all accounts in your last sentence.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    I suggest people be careful when talking about "gates". I attended two late night games in Utah last season. One was Oregon State at Utah. The other was New Mexico State at BYU. Know what, there were big blocks of empty seats at LES and RES also. My observation was that both schools had way too many empty seats. TV money aside, both schools need to sell more tickets to people who do not look like empty seats.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    Bruno, the only problem with all that is that the other teams would have to agree to it all. BYU is NOT Texas or Notre Dame. If they were, the Pac 12 would be ecstatic about opening a November week for Utah to increase viewership. Until BYU gets to that level of credibility, just reminisce on the 80s and 90s.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    nwcoug-They are not on the same level, just wait 9/15 you will see.

    GJ-There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games. You've had your run, good luck trying to get another one going.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    July 3, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    I think it is great that all 12 BYU football fans in Peru can watch the games. I guess if the fans have satellite, they can also watch the Pac 12 network as well.

    Are we still comparing?

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    Bluto

    Are you really that frustrated with the world to tell us Ute Fans to "go pound sand". Right now the U is working on 98% renewal on season tickets I guarantee the Y can't say that. And another thing buddy, byu can't schedule anyone they want in September or it would have happened and who's we when it comes to ASU or AU. All those awards that the y has won are trully great and with great resepct for the program I say that, but it was 10+ years ago. Head to Head it's 7-3 for the Utes and last year just shows how much further along the Utah football program is. No excuse, your team got beat, your team does not have the athletes Utah has and Bluto buddy it's going to be the same this year. When we are playing ASU or AU you guys will be playing Idaho and New Mexico State, I can see your frustration. " Community College Utah" 54-10 please answer me what does that make the y?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    MLH, remember, 54-10 was a fluke, done intentionally by Jake Heaps, who played both ways and on special teams, fumbling five times himself on offense, and once muffing a kickoff return, missing tackles, and personally accruing eight penalties for seventy yards, and even disguising himself as Jordan Wynn, throwing for 2 touchdowns AGAINST BYU. It's so simple, I don't know why other Utes fans can't grasp that!

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    July 3, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Bluto- All your dusty awards from the 80's and 75 cents will buy you a cup of coffee at 7-11. But they haven't gotten you into a single BCS bowl game. Your program seems to be on a down hill slide. Thanks for reminding us about the glory days of Lavel Edwards.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    July 3, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    I don't know who has the bigger gate. I don't really care. But it is interesting to compare ticket prices on stub hub. If you compare the cheapest seats available they are regularly tickets to LES.

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    July 3, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    CoUte:
    You are exactly correct, Utah should schedule BYU at RES in years when they have 4 home conference games, ie even numbered years like 2012, 2014, etc. That means we should travel to Provo in years when we have 5 conference home games, odd numbered years like 2013. This keeps the series going on a year to year rotating basis that works out for everyone. Chris ill is being arrogant and I am tired of it.

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    July 3, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    "Anyone who thinks all 120 FBS teams are on the same level due to the four-team playoff is kidding themselves. The Big 4 still have the power and there is no way they would agree to a system that didn't protect their interests."

    Since there are no automatic tournament tie-ins based on conference affiliation it does level the playing field. Look for the field to expand after the SEC and big 12 leave the Big10 and/or the PAC out of the mix for a couple of years.

    "GJ-There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games. You've had your run, good luck trying to get another one going."

    The addition of the playoff also will open up bowl games to more intriguing matchups. BYU will get in bigger bowls as the current contracts expire. It's not about luck and it's not my run.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 3, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    Of course they care in Peru. We are a world wide brand. I was talking to this guy the other day from Peru, he said byu football is their #1 thing in Peru. And China too.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 3, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    "There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games."

    True, Utah will have better access to top tier bowls than BYU due to their conference affiliation but this will mean a lot less beginning in 2014. Once the new playoff system goes into effect BYU will have just as good an opportunity to play for an NC every year as Utah. According to reports the new selection committee will adopt a formula similar to the NCAA basketball tournament that will be based on wins and schedule strength, not conference affiliation. This will also make it easier for BYU to schedule regular season games as more programs will be looking to improve their non-conference schedule instead of just scheduling cupcakes. BYU will have no trouble scheduling big name opponents in September, and October and November will get easier as well. I anticipate BYU's and Utah's SOS to be very similar most years, starting with this year.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    GJ, which contracts are you talking about? The B1G and Pac 12 have already extended the Rose Bowl agreement, the SEC and Big XII started their own Champions Bowl, and the ACC just extended the Orange Bowl for 12 more years. Additionally, all of these bowls agreed to have a different B1G, Pac, SEC, Big XII, or ACC representative in their respective game even if the conference champion was in the "national semifinal." They've all but pushed the Big East and previously non-AQ conferences and programs out of the picture. Sorry, bud, but for the moment it appears as if you're still on the outside looking in.

    RepresentBlue, yes, just as you stated, a respectable schedule will be crucial to participation in the 4-team beauty contest, but that does not necessarily play in your favor. The teams already in the Pac 12, B1G, Big XII and SEC already seem to have that strength of schedule secured with their conference slate. BYU's next two years will likely be the testing ground for if they are worth the time of Big East members and the top small conference teams to boost their own schedules. Good luck.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 3, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    StGtoSLC,

    The BCS is on its way out. Yes, the big name bowls like the Rose will still be tied to the big name conferences (except when it is their turn to host the NC semi-finals), but the point is those bowls will no longer be the big prize in college football starting in 2014. The NC playoff will be the prize that every college football program will have its sights set on and according to reports the selection criteria will be open and inclusive, based on performance, not conference affiliation. So playing in the PAC will not be a significant advantage for Utah if they schedule down in their non-conference games, especially when the PAC is having a down year like it often does. And just like March Madness, once they see how exciting and profitable a college football playoff is it will not be long before it is expanded to 8 or even 16 teams and nobody will care who played in the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl unless it is hosting one of the semi-final games. Those bowls will become second tier bowls once a true college football playoff gets going.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    nwcoug said:

    "No such thing as BCS anymore. BYU and Utah are on a level playing field. Oh wait, they are not. BYU is on National TV every week."

    Yawn.

    BYU lost at home 54-10 on national TV. What is your point? Funny how BYU fans think that just because they are on national TV everyone is watching them. Sorry, nobody cares but BYU fans and ESPN officials looking at the mediocre ratings last year. Got news for you. ESPN has other football contracts. They can change along with the football landscape
    The BCS is still around until 2014. The next 12 years after that is a playoff system with much of the BCS structure still intact.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Memo to BYU fans.
    Just because the BCS goes away for 12 years, does not mean conferences are out the door.
    Its the opposite because strength of schedule, tie-breakers and other things will determine who advances to the playoffs.
    Power conferences will still hold the cards, And Notre Dame can still do what it wants.
    And life will be harder for BYU to schedule quality teams in the future.

    And you are 6-9 all time against San Jose St!

    Go Spartans!

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    July 3, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    With the strength of the SEC and Big12, I foresee the PAC12 only getting a team in one the playoff spots every other year or so. You know it is going to happen especially if anyone other USC, Oregon or Stanford wins the PAC. You're all delusional if you think they will let Utah play for the NC. I know they won't BYU play for it either. At least I can accept the truth. The only way either team is going to be included in the playoffs is if they are undefeated and maybe there is only one other undefeated team. Otherwise the SEC and Big12 will fill the spots with their one loss teams.

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    July 3, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    @ rhappahannock 3:00pm

    I'm not intending to take issue with your comment, and I'm not sure how the finances are handled. However, might your logic similarly apply to us tithe paying LDS fans of football programs other than BYU? Last time I looked the face value of BYU tickets were noticeably less than the ticket cost of other college teams that I know of. BYU, as do most programs, have some fans whom to others come across as arrogant. (Yes, I know that this includes Boise State fans too.) BYU ticket prices have the appearance of being subsidized to some extent. I'm not stating this as a fact because I don't know. But it looks that way.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 6:34 p.m.

    UtahBronco, you're exactly right. The misconception that "$5M of taxpayers' money funds Utah's athletics department every year!" is no more accurate than the misconception of "My tithing is funding BYU's athletics!" In the latest report that came out, the University of Utah received the least percentage of its athletic budget subsidized by the University (yes, this is subsidization from the University, NOT directly from taxes) of any in-state public school over the last five years. And those were only from the years in the MWC. With Pac-12 funding and Pac-12 Networks media revenue soon to come, along with the school's largest alumni fundraising effort in history, expect to see Utah join the other 20 or so schools with completely self-sufficient athletic budgets.

    Not sure what Boise is looking like moving into the Big East in football, but I imagine they'll at least improve their budget. But if that's the argument they want to use just because they hate a school, it's pretty funny to see them get worked up about. Keep it up, please!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 6:45 p.m.

    RepresentBlue, yes the current format of the BCS is on its way out. But no, this upcoming format does not look to be more inclusive than it was before. The major conferences will continue to get the most love because they have a tougher conference slate than the small conference teams. Thus, it will be up to them if they want to go out on the limb of scheduling the tougher small conference (or independent) teams. Is it fair? No, I think it's less fair than the BCS system was. But it is what it is, and I'm just giving my opinion: I don't think it favors anyone other than the SEC, Big XII, B1G, Pac 12, and sometimes the ACC. Frankly, I think it will be highly unlikely we see anyone from any other conference (or independent) included in this format while it lasts, but we'll have to see. And, I could be wrong, but the way I understand it, the major bowl games will still be played in addition to a semifinal or NC game that they host. Someone correct me on this if there is definitive contrary word, though, please.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 3, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    I heard the Current BCS president on a radio show today. Although many things have yet to be decided. He did say the following:

    The new playoff will be rotated around six bowl games. Rose, Sugar, Orange & Fiesta. And two undetermined bowls.
    A semifinal game and championship game will not be held in the same venue the same year.
    They are exploring the option of bidding for the title game like cities do for the Super Bowl. Which opens up the opportunity for cities like Detroit, New York, Seattle, Atlanta and Tampa Bay to host the title game.

    All of the other bowl games will still be around. Giving schools and fans the opportunity to play and watch more football.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 3, 2012 8:10 p.m.

    Mesa Coug said:

    "With the strength of the SEC and Big12, I foresee the PAC12 only getting a team in one the playoff spots every other year or so. You know it is going to happen especially if anyone other USC, Oregon or Stanford wins the PAC. You're all delusional if you think they will let Utah play for the NC. I know they won't BYU play for it either. At least I can accept the truth. The only way either team is going to be included in the playoffs is if they are undefeated and maybe there is only one other undefeated team. Otherwise the SEC and Big12 will fill the spots with their one loss teams."

    Yawn.
    You are delusional if you think BYU can keep masquerading as an elite independent.
    If Utah wins they have a chance. Just like AZ & ASU in your neck of the woods.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 3, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    WAC, good to hear, thanks! Sounds like there's still plenty to be determined in the future, then.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    July 3, 2012 8:57 p.m.

    WACedP

    I don't think the selection committee would put AZ or ASU in the playoffs either. Check my post again. The only teams in the PAC that realistically have a chance are USC, Oregon and Stanford. You gotta know that every year at least either the PAC12 or Big10 will be left out. The SEC and Big12 designed it that way so they can sometimes put in two teams. I'll give you the fact that Utah's chances are better than BYU's but unless the playoffs are expanded I don't see either team being selected.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 3, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    @RepresentBlue
    So playing in the PAC will not be a significant advantage for Utah if they schedule down in their non-conference games, especially when the PAC is having a down year like it often does.

    -------------

    Utah already scheduled up with Michigan starting 2014 and in 2017 the PAC-12 and Big 10 will start playing each other. So that leaves 2 open games.

    PAC-12 having a down year like it "often does"? In what basketball? Because in football according to Sagarin PAC-12/10 Conference Rankings:

    2011: #4
    2010: #1
    2009: #3
    2008: #4
    2007: #2
    2006: #3
    2005: #4
    2004: #2

    So, PAC-12 is the 3rd best conference in the nation. With 4 playoff spots look for the conference champion to basically be guaranteed a playoff berth.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 3, 2012 11:27 p.m.

    Two for flinching,

    I was simply parroting what Tomahawk Red wrote earlier and switching the team names just to show how absurd his comment was. Both his and my posts were dumb but you seemed to have missed the connection.

    Congratulations to Utah for selling some tickets. Not too hard to sell quite a few when the venue is one of the smaller sites where teams with national prominence will be visiting.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    July 4, 2012 12:40 a.m.

    If U go away then U go away. Yes I will care because it has been a lot of fun to have a rivalry that we both have enjoyed. BUt if it becomes an un even situation - 2 for 1 - the let it go. Be gone and find you success in playing and losing against big team.

    True you do have the chance to play in the Rose Bowl - just the same as University of Arizona (no Rose Bowls in 30+ years).

    Whatever Utes. If you truly want to go your own way and leave BYU behind then I hope you find happiness and joy in your big game against Colorado. Maybe that will be as much fun, mean as much and create such fire.

    BYU will be just fine without you - Im sure you'll be just fine without BYU.

    But lets all admit the truth and stop being lame - We like the game. We love to hate each other. It makes the whole season fun. Its the only game that really makes us all a little crazy. Without it the game of football will be just a little less.

    Your call.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 4, 2012 1:13 a.m.

    "So, PAC-12 is the 3rd best conference in the nation. With 4 playoff spots look for the conference champion to basically be guaranteed a playoff berth."

    Only if that PAC 12 champion is USC and the SEC and/or Big 12 don't have two top 4 teams.

    Regardless, the Ute's chances of winning the PAC 12, especially with an undefeated season are slim to none, so the 4-team playoff is a non-issue for Utah no matter how you slice it.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 4, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    Mesa coug and others
    9 times out of 10, a one lose team from the pac 12 who won the conference title game will be invited to the final four regardless of their name.
    By the way, being a conference champion is also part of the selection process which will be hard for the Y.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 4, 2012 8:13 p.m.

    Solomon Levi said:

    "So, PAC-12 is the 3rd best conference in the nation. With 4 playoff spots look for the conference champion to basically be guaranteed a playoff berth."

    Only if that PAC 12 champion is USC and the SEC and/or Big 12 don't have two top 4 teams.

    Regardless, the Ute's chances of winning the PAC 12, especially with an undefeated season are slim to none, so the 4-team playoff is a non-issue for Utah no matter how you slice it."

    Wow! You can predict the future of college football teams. Any team at any given time can become good, get hot and advance. That also includes Utah. Any team can step up and challenge USC in the Pac 12.
    Stick to BYU. I think its easier for you to predict their outcome against WAC teams.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 4, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica, that's spot on. It's been interesting reminiscing lately on the last 14 years with the BCS, and noting that UCLA was the first #1 team in the BCS poll. Yes, generally the USCs, Bamas, etc. of the college football world are usually never down for long, but there are always teams rising to prominence, and it's impossible to know who or when.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 5, 2012 7:00 a.m.

    RepresentBlue:

    "...once they see how exciting and profitable a college football playoff is it will not be long before it is expanded to 8 or even 16 teams..."

    That's what we would call "Fantasy". I wouldn't be surprised to see the playoff extend to 8 teams, but it won't go beyond that. And even if it DOES grow to 8 teams, it wouldn't be until the year 2026.

    I seriously believe that ONE of the reasons you guys will be mid-majors forever is because you fans won't hold your Athletic Dept. accountable for their bungling of your athletic programs. Everything the athletic dept. does -- like committing a knee-jerk reaction by leaving the MWC and joining the WAC as a result of getting left behind when Utah joined the Pac-12, for example -- you guys always laud it as the best decision ever. Holmoe knows he'll never keep up with Hill, but he also knows he'll never get fired if he keeps telling you coug fans how happy you are with his decisions. It's hilarious. HE tells YOU how you feel. Your thinking has been done for you.

    "LOL"

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 5, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    Mesa Coug:

    "You're all delusional if you think they will let Utah play for the NC. I know they won't BYU play for it either. At least I can accept the truth."

    Haha! Like crabs in a bucket. Just because your SOS is weak, and thus can't make it in the Top-4, doesn't mean WE can't. However, once you finally DO start accepting the truth, maybe a mascot change would be in order. How about the "soft shell crabs"?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    Even if BYU went undefeated, which will never ever happen, they still wouldn't get in. The only way they ever would is for the playoffs to expand to 8 teams.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    @ Night Owl America
    U have lost your Conference AQ!
    Conferences aren't given Special Treatment anymore..
    Many years the PaC will not even have a team in the final four.
    Your Phony AQ Status is gone Utah, you're just like the other 123 D-1 programs.
    U are not special, the new format just destroyed your self inflated egos.

    The Pac is only rated 5th, so even if Utah were to go 12-0 or 11-1 (LOL), your Conference isn't strong enough to get U there.

    BYU has a Legacy and would have a better shot with 12-0.

    @ WACPaddingOurSchedule
    "You are delusional if you think Utah can keep masquerading as an Elite.
    If BYU wins they have a chance."

    BYU, unlike Utah, is a National Brand with Legacy and National Exposure.

    If BYU goes undefeated, they have as good a chance as anybody else.

    Utah will never be Elite even within their own Conference.
    Oregon, USC, Washington, Stanford and ASU assures U.

    These programs have been around more than 6 years, while Utah is just a program masquerading and hiding behind a Conference-Crutch.

    As for Utah ever winning their Conference in any sport? Hilarious!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 5, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Poor Bruno, if only folks outside of Y-dom actually believed you, you may make a good spokesman. From your sugardaddy ESPN: "The Utes can't do much to help their national credibility with wins over Northern Colorado, Utah State, BYU or Arizona State." And conference affiliation will always mean exactly what it has always meant. For us, 9 games against teams with actual credibility, "Oregon, USC, Washington, Stanford and ASU assures (sic) U."

    As for "Many years the PaC will not even have a team in the final four," well looking back, teams currently in the Pac 12 have been in the top 4 every year in the last 10 years except 2009. So, I guess in an eternal perspective, that could be construed as "many," but once in ten years is a little misleading for your argument.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Chewbaca

    "Bluto- All your dusty awards from the 80's and 75 cents will buy you a cup of coffee at 7-11."

    And a huge Multi-Million Dollar ESPN Contract....and 11 games on the Biggest Name in Sports....and a HALLofFAME filled with "Actual-Hardware" along with a Legacy and National Brand... ......

    Utah's new hall will be filled with Banners from Redundant Bowl Games and Dust.

    The U fans vain attempt at legitimacy is coming to an end.

    They have been exposed as nothing more than Conference Coat-Tailing Wannabees ie Northwestern, Vanderbilt or Iowa State, but, unlike those schools, the U's fans are full of "Unmerited Conceited Bluster", at least these other schools know their place, while Utah will have to be painfully wedged into their perpetual bottomfeeder neighborhood..

    What a joy this is going to be to watch.

    Every Football Program, to be considered Elite, must have, at a minimum....

    A Unanimous National Championship
    A Heisman Memorial Trophy Winner
    Outland Trophy winners
    College Hall of Famers
    A Legendary Hall of Fame Coach
    A Big League Stadium and FanBase

    BYU has all these things.....Utah has none.

    Wannabee Programs Talk.......Legacy Programs Do IT!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    @Naval Boy

    No, Holmoe reflects how the fans feel.
    Most of us like Independence and it's perks.
    And U know BYU's perks very well, as you display your obsession with BYU, ad nauseum.
    And the fact that BYU has more exposure than U, just eats you up inside.
    Otherwise, you wouldn't be all over BYU boards.

    I'll listen to a guy, regarding Football, with 4 Super Bowl Rings, long before I'll listen to a guy with a PhD, who insists on being called Dr. or one who has handled the U Basketball program as poorly as he has?

    When they ask for a Doctor in the house, PhD Hill will be the first to offer his services.
    Lavell Edwards is also a PhD, as is Bill Cosby, however, we never saw such misplaced ego from them.

    What you can't get over Naval, is the fact that BYU, on it's Own Brand, has more influence with the biggest name in Soprts, ESPN, then U will ever have.

    Move on and see if your Utes can procuce one, single, solitary Conference Champion, in Any Sport, in the next 25 years.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 5, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    Bluto:

    "The Pac is only rated 5th, so even if Utah were to go 12-0 or 11-1 (LOL), your Conference isn't strong enough to get U there...BYU has a Legacy and would have a better shot with 12-0."

    Haha!!! Silly frantic and emotional one. Please....link us to one credible site that lists the Pac-12 lower than 4th? And while you're doing so, please also link us to some credible site that lists the Indy-WACers as having a better shot at a Final Four appearance than ANY team in the Pac-12, Big 12, B1G, or SEC. Or even the ACC.

    It's a good thing you're used to not finishing anywhere in the Top-4.

    "And the fact that BYU has more exposure than U, just eats you up inside."

    I think the fact that our little brothers DON'T have as much exposure as the U does is one of the things that has been eating YOU up inside. Just check out ESPN's college football website. There's an entire blog dedicated to the Pac-12, but none for the Indy-WACers.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 5, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Bluto, you are spot on with your observations, and the fact that people attempt to refute what you say just further adds to what you say.

    Naval, don't you think you are infatuated by BYU by posting so much, and always negative? How many times do you post on U articles vs. BYU? Be honest. I NEVER check U articles because I don't care at all. If you truly thought BYU was so low, you wouldn't pollute your computer with so many articles read would you?

    Statements like, "I think the fact that our little brothers DON'T have as much exposure as the U does is one of the things that has been eating YOU up inside" are simply not true, and you know it. Being on ESPN 10 times plus a season is more than even the biggest teams in other conferences get. Utah wasn't even in a conference who had an ESPN blog 2 years ago, and now all the sudden they are relevant and get exposure because they share a blog with 11 other teams?

    Post common sense and you'll get people who will respect what you say....maybe.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 5, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    Who cares what the PAC 12 is rated if the Utes can't even win a division where the only team that finished with a winning record, besides the Utes, was on probation.

    Utah played SIX conference opponents with losing records, and you only managed to lose to two of them, AT HOME, includingto one of the worst teams in the country, Colorado(3-10).

    When ABC/ESPN were selecting games to television in 2011, Utah was COMPLETELY ignored. Utah had to scramble just to get KJZZ to cover some of their games, because absolutely NOBODY else was interested in the Utes.

    Compare that with BYU's schedule where 11 of BYU's 13 games were televised on ESPN.

    Despite the bluster from the hill, BYU football is a desired national brand. Utah football is, at best, a local/regional brand, that has always played 2nd fiddle to BYU, even in Utah's own market.

    SLC/Provo/Ogden Market share ratings for 2011:

    Average audience / Season high
    BYU 159,900 / 228,700
    Utah 90,500 / 132,700

    Key demographics share
    BYU ranged from 14.7 to 19.0
    Utah ranged from 8.2 to 13.4

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    @ Bluto,

    BYu's "legacy" in the BCS era is ZERO! They haven't sniffed a BCS bowl game. Nor, will they ever.

    "Exposure," you say? Yes, BYU has been exposed for sure. In the last few years. BYu has been absolutely destroyed by TCU 4x, FSU 2X, Utah 2X, Air Force 1X and USU 1X. BYu cannot beat a good team........in quite a while. And don't bring up the 2009 Oklahoma game.......Sam Bradford was taken out by a cheap shot in in the 2nd quarter as he was carving up BYU's lowly secondary during that drive. I was at that game.

    If BYu was "all that" and a bag of chips........why will NO major conference return their frantic phone calls? BYu is NOT respected or liked. It is that simple sir.

    Furthermore, nobody has even found the channel # for BYutv. And BYu's ESPN ratings have been horrific. In other words......nobody is watching BYu. The "TRUTH" can hurt sometimes.

    "National Brand?" Even lowly Utah, as you claim, sells more "licensed" merchandise than BYU. And, has done so for many years.

    I wish you the best and cheers! Goooooooooo Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Let's get real here..........BYu, during the WAC era, was a great white shark in the "kiddie" pool. Now, they are merely a goldfish in the ocean. That is true!

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 5, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    Striker

    And saying that the PAC-12 is #5, that byu at 12-0 will get in because of a "Legacy". The 80's are over and as for your AD vs our DrHill everywhere Holmoe has gone he has failed that is exactlly where he is leading the y in football and soon to be the other sports. Your ESPN contract will be over and what will you have to fall back on, nothing. You're still nothing that belongs to nothing.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 5, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Despite you absolute hatred of all things BYU... and your laughably biased analysis

    BYU's legacy is a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 15 national individual award winners, 6 National College Football Hall of Fame players, and 18 Top 25 Finishes in the last 35 years (that's over 50%).

    Utah's "legacy" is two games from a defunction system that, 10 years from now, will be nothing more than a footnote in the history of college football .

    BYU's National Brand is a key component of ESPN's college football programming, helping to elevate ESPN's Thurday and Friday night programming to the college football equivalent of NFL Monday night football. (btw, before making yourself look foolish, that was the exact sentiment expressed by ESPN's Vice-President of programming at BYU football media day.)

    Utah's local brand is an after-thought by the networks, only occassionally worthy of consideration by the national networks when they Utes are playing a nationally interesting opponent...

    like BYU.

    As hard as it may be for our friends on the hill to accept, BYU has a national fanbase. Utah doesn't.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 5, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    NOBODY has been "exposed" quite like Top 5 ranked, ESPN Game Day host, national championship "contender" Utah, getting absolutely annihilated 7-47 on national television, and then getting destroyed by a mediocre Notre Dame squad a week later, before ending the season with another beat-down by Boise State, a WAC team.

    Remind us again what it's like to be humiliated by a 10-loss team.

    Those who live in glass houses...

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    @ TheSportsAuthority,

    Nobody is talking about BYU football. If you go to the ESPN sports pages..........The U has 4-12 articles including Utah football everyday. BYU has had 3 articles written in the last two months. Two of them were about Ty Detmer in the college HOF. Nobody is concerned with BYU football.

    This is what I like........the PAC 12, and BYu is an afterthought and was NEVER considered. Get ready for another beating on 9-15-12 at RES..... because it is imminent and Utah is LOADED this year. We Utes observe the scoreboard and it works in terms of reality. BYU fans print "glory" t-shirts and never deliver. Good luck BYu.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    BYu's bogus 1984 shampionship is exactly why the BCS exists today. The nation was beyond stunned and disgusted that year. The bright side is this.........it, a complete sports catastrophe, will NEVER happen again. Thank you!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 5, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    "Nobody is talking about BYU football" Then why are you here?

    "BYU is an afterthought." Again, why do you keep coming here then?

    "Nobody is concerned with BYU football." Then why do you always post here?

    What do any of your comments have to do with Peru and this article?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    I'm so glad that the mighty Utes are in the big time as of today. I really wanna watch Robbie Boscoe play QB last century. That would be golden.

  • Love Me Some Me Chandler, AZ
    July 5, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "The U has 4-12 articles including Utah football everyday."

    Time for a fact check. I went to that site to see all of these articles and this is what I found:

    1. July 5th story about a University of Washington commit landing an offer from Utah - typical recruiting tactic for Kyle.

    2. July 5th PAC 12 South article - mentioning Utah by default of them being in the conference.

    3. July 4th article about Utah's upcoming season. The header of the article "a comprehensive look at all 122 FBS teams". Congrats on your name being next on the list.

    4. July 4th article listing Utah as one of 6 schools for a 3 star recruit.

    5. July 4th PAC 12 South article

    6. July 3rd article about OSU. Also included is a link about Utah struggling in the PAC 12.

    7. July 3rd PAC 12 article

    8. July 3rd PAC 12 article

    Are these the articles you are referring to that show Utah's national presence? You said there are 4 to 12 per day. Where are they?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 5, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority said:

    "Utah-Hawaii Alum

    NOBODY has been "exposed" quite like Top 5 ranked, ESPN Game Day host, national championship "contender" Utah, getting absolutely annihilated 7-47 on national television, and then getting destroyed by a mediocre Notre Dame squad a week later, before ending the season with another beat-down by Boise State, a WAC team.

    Remind us again what it's like to be humiliated by a 10-loss team.

    Those who live in glass houses..."

    Yep! Those who live in glass houses. Do we need to remind you again what its like to be humiliated on national TV at LES 54-10!

    Oh by the way. BYU is 6-9 all time vs San Jose St.
    I see you are on road at SJ this season. Oooooweeeee! That will boost your ranking. Betting win that one.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    @ Striker,

    I post about BYu because I despise them, like millions do sir!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    @ Stricker,

    There are less than a dozen BYu football fans in Peru. Try to do better sir.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 5, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    @u-h

    It's hillarious how obsessed U are with a progam that is sooooo "irrelevant".

    "I am a Utah man and I live across the green..."

    with envy of that Crystal Football National Championship trophy sitting in BYU's trophy case.

    -------------------

    btw, Brian Johnson doesn't have any better chance of playing for Utah again, than does Robbie Bosco for BYU.

    Both are simply part of college football history: one nationally; one locally

    Robbie Bosco as the 1984 Sammy Baugh Trophy winner (awarded to the nation's best passer) and quarterback of the 1984 National Champions

    Brian Johnson as a local Utah hero who led the Utes to their highest ranking.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 5, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    upinthenight

    There's a huge difference between

    an unranked team doing everything possible to self-destruct, yet still only trailing 14-10 at the half,

    and

    a Top 5, supposed national championship contender getting totally dominated from start to finish.

    Oh by the way, Utah is 0-7 lifetime versus Washington and I see you are on the road at Washington this season. BYU is 4-4 versus the Huskies, including a win just a couple of years ago.

    As for San Jose State, BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 50's. Can't say as much for the Utes, who lost to the Huskies last season.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    Here is the deal.......Utah is in, BYU is out.......sorry.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    I want BYu to pursue what they do. I want Utah to win in the PAC. I really like Utah State and want to play them in a Utah showdown every year. I'm glad Utah respectfully scheduled them for quite sometime in the future. BYU, in all audacity gave a better program a 2 for 1. Uh, uh, uh, I cannot believe it actually. With Utah's scheduling of Michigan in 2014-15, I want some cupcake teams in Texas and Florida to further recruiting possibilities. Utah will pound BYu again this year, then BYu will go into two rebuilding years. Yes, in this era, BYu is easy prey, but that fact doesn't help Utah at all. I want Utah to play a classy program like USU. Play other schools in rich areas to recruit.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    BYu is in big time trouble. ESPN has only scheduled their first four games. at bad times, understandably.......nothing else on the horizon, even on ESPN the ocho. BYU's ESPN ratings were terrible last year, worse than the U of Ohio as a matter of fact. BYu will lose to Wazzu, Utah, Boise State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and possibly to OSU and USU. BYu will be lucky to be bowl eligible. Other than Kyle Van Noy, BYu has zero good players.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    As is relates to Peru, why do all souls there pay attention to a "football" that is round, not egg-shaped? Soccer is South America is the game, not BYu American football.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 5, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    Just for giggles, is the Big 12 hoping for BYu to offer them their demands? BYu is a national brand folks!

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    July 5, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    Man Utah-hawaii is the Joseph Goebbels of the trolls. No matter how many times you say something doesn't make it so Joe. From listening to U-H, one would have to surmise that he has connections inside BYU, inside the conferences and inside the the Church leadership.

    Utah 0-7 all time against Washington.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    July 5, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    Here's the deal U-H.

    Get over your hatred; it's not healthy carrying a grudge for 30 years simply because you weren't good enough to play golf for BYU.

    Your dire predictions of the demise of BYU football, your half-truths and outright fabrications, are nothing but the fanciful pipe dreams of a hater. No substance.

    Playing cupcakes to "enhance recruiting" would simply be another feeble excuse for running away from BYU - runnin' Utes indeed.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but ESPN will be scheduling many more BYU games as the season progresses. Despite all of your blather about how irrelevant BYU's games are, we can always count on the haters to be glued to the tube every time BYU plays. Thank you for your support.

    Unfortunately for U, BYU fan won't be returning the favor by subscribing to the PAC 12 regional channel to watch Utah lose to Colorado. We'd rather spend our money on something more exciting, like having our cars washed.

  • Love Me Some Me Chandler, AZ
    July 5, 2012 8:11 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Nice to see you are back to your old form. What happened to your old screen names "zoob_buster" and "secularman"?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 5, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    Uteanymous & Mesa coug.

    Washington is a PAC team.
    San Jose St. is a WAC team.

    Understand the difference?

  • BigUtahFan BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 9, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    So BYU can demand a 2 for 1 with USU, but Utah is arrogant when it's the other way around? Isn't BYU the reason why USU is in the position they are? USU used to be on top until BYU forced the destruction of the WAC back when they had 16 teams. They did it to USU again when they tried to join the WAC last year, leaving USU in the cold over a gentlemens agreement.

    Isn't this just a taste of your own medicine coug fans?

    Get used to losing BYU. Utah had a mediocre team last year with a gimpy armed QB and they rolled over you. What has changed from last year for BYU? That Nielson kid? He looked okay against WAC defense. Who's your RB? Quesadilla? Meh... Any slow white guys in the secondary? No, just headhunters.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    July 9, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    MediocreUtahFan

    I'm sure the Aggie athletic department cashes those checks with a smile on their face. If they didn't like it, they would not do it. It's smart business.

    Now moving on...

    7 gift wrapped fumbles, you are welcome.

    Since we know nothing will be big in Uteville anymore please tell me what mediocre felt like after losing to Colorado and going 4-5 in your conference?

    And after seeing BYU once again get recognized in the Top 25 Coach's Poll how did that feel, especially after beating BYU?

    What's it like knowing that your program is in shambles (except gymnastics) in most sports? That list of first year achievements was pretty pathetic, even more so were the die hard Ute fans acknowledging the fact.

    Get used to mediocrity, the U does it so well.