"Demand 2 for 1's"Another reason I love being in a BCS
conference, with BCS quality athletes, BCS quality coaches, 2 BCS bowls, 2 BCS
wins, 2 undefeated season.Frankly, within a few years byu and utah
state will be fighting weber for the leftovers.There is one program
in the state that has PROVEN it can and is among the nation's elite
programs.How many programs in the entire country have 2 BCS wins?
Maybe 20? I honestly don't know, but I'd love for a byu
fan to compile the list and let me know what kind of company Utah is among.The future of football in Utah, is UTAH
2 fo 1 is great. Two in Provo, one in SLC. Hey maybe ND will agree for two for
ones with USC, somebody should ask them.There is no REAL reason for
utah to pursue 2 for 1, none, except arrogance.
Dear former rivals:Thanks for the many fun years. Thanks for
supporting us while we went on several runs to BCS games. Thanks for supporting
us while we had several undefeated seasons. Thanks for allowing us a good
"gimme" game early on last year(see 54-10).You are no longer
needed. If we do ever want another "gimme" game, we'll let you
know. If we do, 2 for 1 is the best we can offer, as you are not an
"AQ" school. Regardless of the changing landscape of college football,
no matter how things shake out, there will be two constants:1. Utah
will be IN2. byu will be OUT.Thanks again. We wish you
the best in your rivalry games with utah state and weber in the years to
come.Sincerly,Your older brother Ute Nation
Scheduling Utah does nothing to help BYU unless it is in November. It is no
loss to the Y to have better programs like Nebraska, West Virginia, Boise State,
and Notre Dame play BYU early in the year. Unless BYU gets Utah to commit to a
November game, I would drop them unless they would do a 2 for 1 with BYU having
every 3rd year in slc. The fact is that Utah needs cupcakes early so they
don't want BYU. BYU needs SOS late which Utah can't provide. Rivalry
dead. A school of BYU's stature, fan base, facilities, track record, and
prestige would never stoop so low as to consider a 2 for 1 in Utah's favor.
Funny thing is that the bcs era has been the most successful time in Utah
football history. Little quoted fact. Average bcs ranking in the bcs era since
2007... BYU 23, Utah 24. (see cbssports.com).
The fact that Peru has a chance to care is amazing! Come on Rock you're a
media guy. No reason to bash that kind of reach.
big 12 call yet?And they won't.
For a team of such interest to ute loser trolls, I hope someone important cares.
3grandslams:"There is no REAL reason for utah to pursue 2 for 1,
none, except arrogance."We demand 2 for 1 because WE CAN.The difference between Ute arrogance and byu arrogance is that Ute
arrogance comes from 2 BCS bowls, 2 undefeated season, a BCS conference invite,
2 BCS wins, and a 54-10 beatdown over our former rivals.byu
arrogance comes from preseason national championship contender status(dubbed
solely by other byu fans)LOL
RE: you're welcome for the give me game. Glad you finally recognize for
what it was. I hope you sent a postcard to Heaps. Several undefeated
seasons? Really, cuz I missed those "several" seasons. I saw a couple
and 04 was, well speaking of give me's, did you send Crowton a card too?
Chris B, "We demand 2 for 1 because WE CAN.", if your team is so good,
the sentense should read "We are offered 2 for 1 because WE CAN."
I for one want this rivalry to continue. We can't talk football smack if
there is nothing to talk about. Chris B: You sometimes are funny but
are getting obnoxious even to us die hard Utah fans. You had nothing to do with
the success of Utah. Nor did I. All we do is spend our hard earned money on
tickets, travel with the team and buy shirts and hats and all sorts of stuff.
(at least I do) Think of something new to say instead of recycling the same post
over and over. Everyone knows Utah has been better as of late. No need to say it
again. If you do, bring another angle. Go Utes!
2 for 1 if the game is played in November, if you could, but you CAN'T.
Mamma won't let you come out and play.2 for 1 in September,
won't happen, don't even go there. 1 for 1 would be hard enough.
Utah needs cupcakes in September, and obviously BYU isn't one, last year
notwithstanding, or Utah would already have extended the schedule.And BYU can get good teams in September. Utah is a good team, really. But
not 2 for 1 good.But, Chris, for someone who finished lower third in
the PAC and got beat by the worst road team in America, at home, your behavior
is embarrassing. No wonder Utah fans claim you are really a deranged BYU fan
trying to make Utah look stupid. You do it well.
Cougar fans - look at the arrogance of these UU posters. Now consider that your
tax money is going to support their arrogance. That's right - over $5
million per year in taxpayer funds subsidize the UU athletic department. When
are BYU fans that are paying the UU athletics tax going to stand up, and demand
Chris Hill is acting extremely arrogantly for my liking. There is no reason we
can't scedule BYU at Provo in 2013. No good reason at all. As the schedule
stands, in 2013 we play 4 conference road games. Playing at BYU gives us 5 road
games in total. We play 5 conference home games plus Utah St. Schedule in a FCS
team to make it 7 at home and 5 on the road. The next season BYU comes to us and
we go to Michigan. No conflict there. This rivalry must continue. We all love
the game, we all love the banter. I fear it will die until Mr. Chris Hill
retires from his post as AD. Check your ego at the door Chris.
If the only way for the rivalry to continue is if Utah demands 2-for-1's
then it is DEAD! BYU fans would NEVER support that unless it was two games in
Provo for every one in SLC. And if by some miracle BYU did agree to do a 2-for-1
series with Utah Cougar fans like myself would boycott the games. And for the
record, I would prefer to play Utah State on a 1-for-1 basis going forward. They
have made big improvements to their program so that it is competitive again and
they deserve to be treated as true in-state rivals.
Hey Chrissy - did you lose your job? Come Chris how old are u and grow up. You
got what you want with tun! Sorry, no discussion from u team up
north how the format talk going on. Have fun getting clobbered year after year
like we have seen with Zona school who left the wac.
"Another reason I love being in a BCS conference"Enjoy it
while it lasts because the BCS is a dead man walking. You got two more seasons
to gloat about it and then its gone! And the first season wasn't anything
to write home about either.
My, my, Chris B. Does your mom know you're spending all this time
Those utes, the ones like Chris B, they're so wise, so undeniable, so full
of swag. Chris knows how to boast about the last seven years better than anyone.
The u has such a strong tradition. They've had more pro players, more
hall of famers-college and pro, more all americans, more heisman winners, more
doak walker winners, more davey obrien winners, more national champions, more
league champions, more academic all americans. How can anyone argue with his
sound understanding and intellect. The u is so much better than the Y in every
way. They are so supreme. They should never have to play in cougar stadium
again, forget 2-1's! They are the chuch norris of college football in
utah. They should get a win every year just for allowing the Y to play them the
last 100 years. The only reason the SEC didn't invite them to their
conference is because they were too intimidated. They knew utah would destroy
them all. They did the pac 10 a favor, out of kindness of their hearts. The PAC
chose Texas first as a smoke screen. That utah, they're domination defined.
Laughing at all the Y fans calling Utah arrogant for demanding a 2 for 1.
That's exactly what BYU has been doing to Utah State for years. Talk about
the pot calling the kettle black...54-10
bYu media being broadcast in 102 countries is like a tree falling in the forest,
if nobody is watching or there to hear it, did it really happen?
It wasn't that long ago that Bronco was complaining about the atmosphere
surrounding the rivalry game and saying if the two schools couldn't get a
grip on things it would be better not to play the game. I think a break would do
everyone some good. Maybe the next time we play it can be about football again.
nwcougWhite Salmon, WAIt is no loss to the Y to have better
programs like Nebraska, West Virginia, Boise State, and Notre Dame play BYU
early in the year.---------I think you're
overselling that a bit.BYU currently has exactly one game scheduled
with Nebraska. One with West Virginia. A few with ND and a slew with BSU.What about the other 20-30 games?It's ridiculous to
imply that BYU can schedule whoever they want, whenever they want. Because they
BYU is in absolutely no position whatsoever to even thinking about asking Utah
for 2-for-1s. You guys aren't even close to that level.The fact
is, BYU may eventually have to accept 2-for-1s with Utah because Holmoe is
finding out it's very difficult to fill up that 12 game schedule every
Let's remember that as an independent, BYU must find 12 teams to play each
year. That is why they went into a scheduling agreement with the WAC, to help
fill the schedule, but that may not last much longer and offered a maximum of 6
games. BYU has many holes to fill each year and they would love to have as many
standard rivalry games as possible. That is how Notre Dame does it, with annual
games most years against Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, USC, Navy, and
others.Utah gets 9 games each year from the PAC-12, at least 4 at
home. They only have room for 3 additional games.Finding time for
Utah on BYU's schedule is infinitely easier than finding time for BYU on
Utah's. Thus, the dilemma Bronco faces.
No such thing as BCS anymore. BYU and Utah are on a level playing field. Oh
wait, they are not. BYU is on National TV everyweek.
Why would BYU and Utah benefit more from a 2 for BYU, 1 for Utah situation?Pretty simple: seats. BYU's stadium holds more, so the potential
for revenue is higher. In fact, I could be wrong, but that is one of the major
justifications for big programs to demand 2-1 in scheduling "lesser"
schools. I'm not going to claim that it is always the case, since BYU
often plays 2-1 situations against schools with comparable, or fewer, seats in
their stadiums. But it is a big reason why it happens.Just throwing
that out there. I'll be honest, it could be a completely false argument.
But I really would be shocked to find that number of seats is not a reason for
scheduling 2-1 situations.
It is shameful for a beat writer to say something like Utah should demand a 2:1
with BYU for the only logical reason to get additional readers and comments.
Dumb ploy if you ask me. Also, it is odd that he would be so negative on the
fact that folks down in Central and South America can watch BYU sports... I
guess some people are just half half empty people. On a side note, my sister
and brother-in-law (a Ute fan) were just called as the mission presidents in
Costa Rica and he was mentioning how he wished that he could watch Ute games
when down there. I guess he will just be stuck watching BYU sports for the next
three years.My two cents.
Funny stuff Rockmonster!By the way, has anyone ever tried to find
BYUtv on their satellite or cable box yet? I won't ever bother to look.As the Rock said.........2 for 1 is all Utah will offer to BYu........if
they ever choose to offer? I sure hope Utah doesn't however.
@ Nevada Coug, Utah doesn't need to play BYu anymore and
shouldn't. All Utah home games are already sold out and tickets are 2x-5x
more expensive than at LES. Utah's gate makes way more than BYu. BYu
can't give away tickets to the games because of the lousy teams that play
there now. Yeah, I can't wait to see Idaho vs BYu at LES on a Thursday
starting at midnight EST in November.........boy, that sounds grrrrreat!?
"We demand 2 for 1 because WE CAN."Sorry little brothers,
but your big brother couldn't care less about your petulant little
I can vouch: There are BYU fans in Peru.
Probably not many in Peru. On the other hand, my son in Mexico City regularly
runs into people on the street wearing BYU gear...
Being realistic and removing all the false bravado ... I don't ever see a 2
for 1 situation between the U and the Y with the possible exception of playing 2
games in a row in SLC so the game could be scheduled at Utah in years when they
only play 4 home conference game. More likely the game simply skips a year.But please quit with any comments that Utah is scared to play the Y and look
at the facts. A home and home series with Michigan is a much better option for
the U right now and the rivalry game could use a break next year.
U-H"Utah's gate makes way more than BYU"Sorry, you're not even close.20,000 more seats x $50 average
ticket price = $1 million more per game at LES, conservatively. And that
doesn't even count concessions and sporting gear sales.Once
again, long on hyperbole, short on facts.
Hi Rock,Having lived in Peru for a time where I met several BYU fans
who weren't LDS, I feel I can definitively answer your question.Yes.You should get out more.
utah is in absolutely no position whatsoever to even thinking about asking BYU
for 2-for-1s. You guys aren't even close to that level.The fact
is, utah may eventually have to accept 2-for-1s with BYU because Hill is finding
out it's very difficult to generate interest in a conference bottom-dweller
I find it amusing when Ute fans bring up the fact that they are in an AQ
conference. Enjoy it for the next two years because there will be no AQ after
that. It will be about the four team tournament which has nothing to do with
The sad part of the rivalry is the hate. Read the comments and you see a lot of
that. Way to much. In some cases as we can see to the point of obsession.
I'm in Peru and care about BYU football. Should probably pick a country
where the LDS church is not so strong. I am grateful for all the ways I can
keep up BYU football out of the country. Go Cougs!!!
@Hawaii-UteUtah's gate makes more than BYU's?With
20k fewer fans and Utah's taco bell-free tickets promotions??Uh, not
quite Chuckie.Swing and a miss, try again.As for BYU needing
Utah in September?BYU can schedule anybody in September, unless the
Utes want a November game, BYU should forget Utah. We would much rather
see our old rivals ASU, Arizona and other Pac 12 teams in September than
Utah.As for 2 for 1's..... Tell you what Utah, when
your program produces a National Championship, Heisman Trophy, Outlands, Doak
Walker, Sammy Baugh and Davey O'Brien Winners and when you've had even
one College Hall of Famer, get back to us....Until then, go pound
sand. All BYU needs to do is make Boise St. the Rivalry game.Boise St. is a much bigger Brand than Community College Utah and Boise has an
actual National Brand.Then rry to extend the Notre Dame deal.Put Hawaii and Utah State as annual November games or maybe a Service
Academy, Army, Navy or Air Force and that's a very nice November.Bronco said they are working on such scenarios.
Anyone who thinks all 120 FBS teams are on the same level due to the four-team
playoff is kidding themselves. The Big 4 still have the power and there is no
way they would agree to a system that didn't protect their interests.@Whoa NellieUtah doesn't have to be close to that
"level" simply because the Utes have all the bargaining power. Thanks to
conf. affiliation there will always be intriguing teams in RES every season. BYU
does not have that luxury built in with independence. Also, now BYU has no
choice but to find more quality teams to fill its schedule if it wants to be a
contender in the new system. Utah on the other hand can have a very mediocre OCC
schedule and still earn a spot.As for the lack of interest, Utah
just saw a 98% season ticket renewal rate for the second straight year. I submit
that you are incorrect on all accounts in your last sentence.
I suggest people be careful when talking about "gates". I attended two
late night games in Utah last season. One was Oregon State at Utah. The other
was New Mexico State at BYU. Know what, there were big blocks of empty seats at
LES and RES also. My observation was that both schools had way too many empty
seats. TV money aside, both schools need to sell more tickets to people who do
not look like empty seats.
Bruno, the only problem with all that is that the other teams would have to
agree to it all. BYU is NOT Texas or Notre Dame. If they were, the Pac 12 would
be ecstatic about opening a November week for Utah to increase viewership. Until
BYU gets to that level of credibility, just reminisce on the 80s and 90s.
nwcoug-They are not on the same level, just wait 9/15 you will see.GJ-There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a
shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now
than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games.
You've had your run, good luck trying to get another one going.
I think it is great that all 12 BYU football fans in Peru can watch the games. I
guess if the fans have satellite, they can also watch the Pac 12 network as
well.Are we still comparing?
BlutoAre you really that frustrated with the world to tell us Ute
Fans to "go pound sand". Right now the U is working on 98% renewal on
season tickets I guarantee the Y can't say that. And another thing buddy,
byu can't schedule anyone they want in September or it would have happened
and who's we when it comes to ASU or AU. All those awards that the y has
won are trully great and with great resepct for the program I say that, but it
was 10+ years ago. Head to Head it's 7-3 for the Utes and last year just
shows how much further along the Utah football program is. No excuse, your team
got beat, your team does not have the athletes Utah has and Bluto buddy
it's going to be the same this year. When we are playing ASU or AU you
guys will be playing Idaho and New Mexico State, I can see your frustration.
" Community College Utah" 54-10 please answer me what does that make the
MLH, remember, 54-10 was a fluke, done intentionally by Jake Heaps, who played
both ways and on special teams, fumbling five times himself on offense, and once
muffing a kickoff return, missing tackles, and personally accruing eight
penalties for seventy yards, and even disguising himself as Jordan Wynn,
throwing for 2 touchdowns AGAINST BYU. It's so simple, I don't know
why other Utes fans can't grasp that!
Bluto- All your dusty awards from the 80's and 75 cents will buy you a cup
of coffee at 7-11. But they haven't gotten you into a single BCS bowl
game. Your program seems to be on a down hill slide. Thanks for reminding us
about the glory days of Lavel Edwards.
I don't know who has the bigger gate. I don't really care. But it is
interesting to compare ticket prices on stub hub. If you compare the cheapest
seats available they are regularly tickets to LES.
CoUte:You are exactly correct, Utah should schedule BYU at RES in years
when they have 4 home conference games, ie even numbered years like 2012, 2014,
etc. That means we should travel to Provo in years when we have 5 conference
home games, odd numbered years like 2013. This keeps the series going on a year
to year rotating basis that works out for everyone. Chris ill is being arrogant
and I am tired of it.
"Anyone who thinks all 120 FBS teams are on the same level due to the
four-team playoff is kidding themselves. The Big 4 still have the power and
there is no way they would agree to a system that didn't protect their
interests." Since there are no automatic tournament tie-ins
based on conference affiliation it does level the playing field. Look for the
field to expand after the SEC and big 12 leave the Big10 and/or the PAC out of
the mix for a couple of years."GJ-There will be more than 4
teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a shot every year to go and play
in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now than the Kraft Bowl, no one is
going to let you play in the big games. You've had your run, good luck
trying to get another one going." The addition of the
playoff also will open up bowl games to more intriguing matchups. BYU will get
in bigger bowls as the current contracts expire. It's not about luck and
it's not my run.
Of course they care in Peru. We are a world wide brand. I was talking to this
guy the other day from Peru, he said byu football is their #1 thing in Peru. And
"There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a
shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now
than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games."True, Utah will have better access to top tier bowls than BYU due to
their conference affiliation but this will mean a lot less beginning in 2014.
Once the new playoff system goes into effect BYU will have just as good an
opportunity to play for an NC every year as Utah. According to reports the new
selection committee will adopt a formula similar to the NCAA basketball
tournament that will be based on wins and schedule strength, not conference
affiliation. This will also make it easier for BYU to schedule regular season
games as more programs will be looking to improve their non-conference schedule
instead of just scheduling cupcakes. BYU will have no trouble scheduling big
name opponents in September, and October and November will get easier as well. I
anticipate BYU's and Utah's SOS to be very similar most years,
starting with this year.
GJ, which contracts are you talking about? The B1G and Pac 12 have already
extended the Rose Bowl agreement, the SEC and Big XII started their own
Champions Bowl, and the ACC just extended the Orange Bowl for 12 more years.
Additionally, all of these bowls agreed to have a different B1G, Pac, SEC, Big
XII, or ACC representative in their respective game even if the conference
champion was in the "national semifinal." They've all but pushed
the Big East and previously non-AQ conferences and programs out of the picture.
Sorry, bud, but for the moment it appears as if you're still on the outside
looking in.RepresentBlue, yes, just as you stated, a respectable
schedule will be crucial to participation in the 4-team beauty contest, but that
does not necessarily play in your favor. The teams already in the Pac 12, B1G,
Big XII and SEC already seem to have that strength of schedule secured with
their conference slate. BYU's next two years will likely be the testing
ground for if they are worth the time of Big East members and the top small
conference teams to boost their own schedules. Good luck.
StGtoSLC,The BCS is on its way out. Yes, the big name bowls like the
Rose will still be tied to the big name conferences (except when it is their
turn to host the NC semi-finals), but the point is those bowls will no longer be
the big prize in college football starting in 2014. The NC playoff will be the
prize that every college football program will have its sights set on and
according to reports the selection criteria will be open and inclusive, based on
performance, not conference affiliation. So playing in the PAC will not be a
significant advantage for Utah if they schedule down in their non-conference
games, especially when the PAC is having a down year like it often does. And
just like March Madness, once they see how exciting and profitable a college
football playoff is it will not be long before it is expanded to 8 or even 16
teams and nobody will care who played in the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl unless
it is hosting one of the semi-final games. Those bowls will become second tier
bowls once a true college football playoff gets going.
nwcoug said:"No such thing as BCS anymore. BYU and Utah are on a
level playing field. Oh wait, they are not. BYU is on National TV every
week."Yawn.BYU lost at home 54-10 on national TV.
What is your point? Funny how BYU fans think that just because they are on
national TV everyone is watching them. Sorry, nobody cares but BYU fans and ESPN
officials looking at the mediocre ratings last year. Got news for you. ESPN has
other football contracts. They can change along with the football landscapeThe BCS is still around until 2014. The next 12 years after that is a playoff
system with much of the BCS structure still intact.
Memo to BYU fans.Just because the BCS goes away for 12 years, does not
mean conferences are out the door.Its the opposite because strength of
schedule, tie-breakers and other things will determine who advances to the
playoffs.Power conferences will still hold the cards, And Notre Dame can
still do what it wants.And life will be harder for BYU to schedule quality
teams in the future.And you are 6-9 all time against San Jose St!Go Spartans!
With the strength of the SEC and Big12, I foresee the PAC12 only getting a team
in one the playoff spots every other year or so. You know it is going to happen
especially if anyone other USC, Oregon or Stanford wins the PAC. You're all
delusional if you think they will let Utah play for the NC. I know they
won't BYU play for it either. At least I can accept the truth. The only way
either team is going to be included in the playoffs is if they are undefeated
and maybe there is only one other undefeated team. Otherwise the SEC and Big12
will fill the spots with their one loss teams.
@ rhappahannock 3:00pmI'm not intending to take issue with your
comment, and I'm not sure how the finances are handled. However, might
your logic similarly apply to us tithe paying LDS fans of football programs
other than BYU? Last time I looked the face value of BYU tickets were
noticeably less than the ticket cost of other college teams that I know of.
BYU, as do most programs, have some fans whom to others come across as arrogant.
(Yes, I know that this includes Boise State fans too.) BYU ticket prices have
the appearance of being subsidized to some extent. I'm not stating this as
a fact because I don't know. But it looks that way.
UtahBronco, you're exactly right. The misconception that "$5M of
taxpayers' money funds Utah's athletics department every year!" is
no more accurate than the misconception of "My tithing is funding BYU's
athletics!" In the latest report that came out, the University of Utah
received the least percentage of its athletic budget subsidized by the
University (yes, this is subsidization from the University, NOT directly from
taxes) of any in-state public school over the last five years. And those were
only from the years in the MWC. With Pac-12 funding and Pac-12 Networks media
revenue soon to come, along with the school's largest alumni fundraising
effort in history, expect to see Utah join the other 20 or so schools with
completely self-sufficient athletic budgets.Not sure what Boise is
looking like moving into the Big East in football, but I imagine they'll at
least improve their budget. But if that's the argument they want to use
just because they hate a school, it's pretty funny to see them get worked
up about. Keep it up, please!
RepresentBlue, yes the current format of the BCS is on its way out. But no, this
upcoming format does not look to be more inclusive than it was before. The major
conferences will continue to get the most love because they have a tougher
conference slate than the small conference teams. Thus, it will be up to them if
they want to go out on the limb of scheduling the tougher small conference (or
independent) teams. Is it fair? No, I think it's less fair than the BCS
system was. But it is what it is, and I'm just giving my opinion: I
don't think it favors anyone other than the SEC, Big XII, B1G, Pac 12, and
sometimes the ACC. Frankly, I think it will be highly unlikely we see anyone
from any other conference (or independent) included in this format while it
lasts, but we'll have to see. And, I could be wrong, but the way I
understand it, the major bowl games will still be played in addition to a
semifinal or NC game that they host. Someone correct me on this if there is
definitive contrary word, though, please.
StGtoSLCI heard the Current BCS president on a radio show today.
Although many things have yet to be decided. He did say the following:The new playoff will be rotated around six bowl games. Rose, Sugar, Orange
& Fiesta. And two undetermined bowls.A semifinal game and championship
game will not be held in the same venue the same year.They are exploring
the option of bidding for the title game like cities do for the Super Bowl.
Which opens up the opportunity for cities like Detroit, New York, Seattle,
Atlanta and Tampa Bay to host the title game.All of the other bowl
games will still be around. Giving schools and fans the opportunity to play and
watch more football.
Mesa Coug said:"With the strength of the SEC and Big12, I
foresee the PAC12 only getting a team in one the playoff spots every other year
or so. You know it is going to happen especially if anyone other USC, Oregon or
Stanford wins the PAC. You're all delusional if you think they will let
Utah play for the NC. I know they won't BYU play for it either. At least I
can accept the truth. The only way either team is going to be included in the
playoffs is if they are undefeated and maybe there is only one other undefeated
team. Otherwise the SEC and Big12 will fill the spots with their one loss
teams."Yawn. You are delusional if you think BYU can keep
masquerading as an elite independent.If Utah wins they have a chance. Just
like AZ & ASU in your neck of the woods.
WAC, good to hear, thanks! Sounds like there's still plenty to be
determined in the future, then.
WACedPI don't think the selection committee would put AZ or ASU
in the playoffs either. Check my post again. The only teams in the PAC that
realistically have a chance are USC, Oregon and Stanford. You gotta know that
every year at least either the PAC12 or Big10 will be left out. The SEC and
Big12 designed it that way so they can sometimes put in two teams. I'll
give you the fact that Utah's chances are better than BYU's but unless
the playoffs are expanded I don't see either team being selected.
@RepresentBlueSo playing in the PAC will not be a significant advantage
for Utah if they schedule down in their non-conference games, especially when
the PAC is having a down year like it often does.-------------Utah already scheduled up with Michigan starting 2014 and in 2017 the
PAC-12 and Big 10 will start playing each other. So that leaves 2 open
games.PAC-12 having a down year like it "often does"? In
what basketball? Because in football according to Sagarin PAC-12/10 Conference
Rankings:2011: #42010: #12009: #32008: #42007: #22006: #32005: #42004: #2So, PAC-12 is
the 3rd best conference in the nation. With 4 playoff spots look for the
conference champion to basically be guaranteed a playoff berth.
Two for flinching,I was simply parroting what Tomahawk Red wrote
earlier and switching the team names just to show how absurd his comment was.
Both his and my posts were dumb but you seemed to have missed the connection.
Congratulations to Utah for selling some tickets. Not too hard to
sell quite a few when the venue is one of the smaller sites where teams with
national prominence will be visiting.
If U go away then U go away. Yes I will care because it has been a lot of fun
to have a rivalry that we both have enjoyed. BUt if it becomes an un even
situation - 2 for 1 - the let it go. Be gone and find you success in playing
and losing against big team. True you do have the chance to play in
the Rose Bowl - just the same as University of Arizona (no Rose Bowls in 30+
years).Whatever Utes. If you truly want to go your own way and
leave BYU behind then I hope you find happiness and joy in your big game against
Colorado. Maybe that will be as much fun, mean as much and create such fire.
BYU will be just fine without you - Im sure you'll be just fine
without BYU. But lets all admit the truth and stop being lame - We
like the game. We love to hate each other. It makes the whole season fun. Its
the only game that really makes us all a little crazy. Without it the game of
football will be just a little less. Your call.
"So, PAC-12 is the 3rd best conference in the nation. With 4 playoff spots
look for the conference champion to basically be guaranteed a playoff
berth."Only if that PAC 12 champion is USC and the SEC and/or
Big 12 don't have two top 4 teams.Regardless, the Ute's
chances of winning the PAC 12, especially with an undefeated season are slim to
none, so the 4-team playoff is a non-issue for Utah no matter how you slice it.
Mesa coug and others9 times out of 10, a one lose team from the pac 12 who
won the conference title game will be invited to the final four regardless of
their name.By the way, being a conference champion is also part of the
selection process which will be hard for the Y.
Solomon Levi said:"So, PAC-12 is the 3rd best conference in the
nation. With 4 playoff spots look for the conference champion to basically be
guaranteed a playoff berth."Only if that PAC 12 champion is USC
and the SEC and/or Big 12 don't have two top 4 teams.Regardless, the Ute's chances of winning the PAC 12, especially with an
undefeated season are slim to none, so the 4-team playoff is a non-issue for
Utah no matter how you slice it."Wow! You can predict the future
of college football teams. Any team at any given time can become good, get hot
and advance. That also includes Utah. Any team can step up and challenge USC in
the Pac 12. Stick to BYU. I think its easier for you to predict their
outcome against WAC teams.
NightOwlAmerica, that's spot on. It's been interesting reminiscing
lately on the last 14 years with the BCS, and noting that UCLA was the first #1
team in the BCS poll. Yes, generally the USCs, Bamas, etc. of the college
football world are usually never down for long, but there are always teams
rising to prominence, and it's impossible to know who or when.
RepresentBlue:"...once they see how exciting and profitable a
college football playoff is it will not be long before it is expanded to 8 or
even 16 teams..."That's what we would call
"Fantasy". I wouldn't be surprised to see the playoff extend to 8
teams, but it won't go beyond that. And even if it DOES grow to 8 teams,
it wouldn't be until the year 2026.I seriously believe that ONE
of the reasons you guys will be mid-majors forever is because you fans
won't hold your Athletic Dept. accountable for their bungling of your
athletic programs. Everything the athletic dept. does -- like committing a
knee-jerk reaction by leaving the MWC and joining the WAC as a result of getting
left behind when Utah joined the Pac-12, for example -- you guys always laud it
as the best decision ever. Holmoe knows he'll never keep up with Hill, but
he also knows he'll never get fired if he keeps telling you coug fans how
happy you are with his decisions. It's hilarious. HE tells YOU how you
feel. Your thinking has been done for you."LOL"
Mesa Coug:"You're all delusional if you think they will let
Utah play for the NC. I know they won't BYU play for it either. At least I
can accept the truth."Haha! Like crabs in a bucket. Just
because your SOS is weak, and thus can't make it in the Top-4, doesn't
mean WE can't. However, once you finally DO start accepting the truth,
maybe a mascot change would be in order. How about the "soft shell
Even if BYU went undefeated, which will never ever happen, they still
wouldn't get in. The only way they ever would is for the playoffs to
expand to 8 teams.
@ Night Owl AmericaU have lost your Conference AQ!Conferences
aren't given Special Treatment anymore..Many years the PaC will not
even have a team in the final four.Your Phony AQ Status is gone Utah,
you're just like the other 123 D-1 programs.U are not special, the
new format just destroyed your self inflated egos.The Pac is only
rated 5th, so even if Utah were to go 12-0 or 11-1 (LOL), your Conference
isn't strong enough to get U there.BYU has a Legacy and would
have a better shot with 12-0.@ WACPaddingOurSchedule "You
are delusional if you think Utah can keep masquerading as an Elite.If BYU
wins they have a chance."BYU, unlike Utah, is a National Brand
with Legacy and National Exposure.If BYU goes undefeated, they have
as good a chance as anybody else.Utah will never be Elite even
within their own Conference.Oregon, USC, Washington, Stanford and ASU
assures U.These programs have been around more than 6 years, while
Utah is just a program masquerading and hiding behind a Conference-Crutch.As for Utah ever winning their Conference in any sport? Hilarious!
Poor Bruno, if only folks outside of Y-dom actually believed you, you may make a
good spokesman. From your sugardaddy ESPN: "The Utes can't do much to
help their national credibility with wins over Northern Colorado, Utah State,
BYU or Arizona State." And conference affiliation will always mean exactly
what it has always meant. For us, 9 games against teams with actual credibility,
"Oregon, USC, Washington, Stanford and ASU assures (sic) U."As for "Many years the PaC will not even have a team in the final
four," well looking back, teams currently in the Pac 12 have been in the top
4 every year in the last 10 years except 2009. So, I guess in an eternal
perspective, that could be construed as "many," but once in ten years is
a little misleading for your argument.
Chewbaca"Bluto- All your dusty awards from the 80's and 75
cents will buy you a cup of coffee at 7-11."And a huge
Multi-Million Dollar ESPN Contract....and 11 games on the Biggest Name in
Sports....and a HALLofFAME filled with "Actual-Hardware" along with a
Legacy and National Brand... ......Utah's new hall will be
filled with Banners from Redundant Bowl Games and Dust.The U fans
vain attempt at legitimacy is coming to an end. They have been
exposed as nothing more than Conference Coat-Tailing Wannabees ie Northwestern,
Vanderbilt or Iowa State, but, unlike those schools, the U's fans are full
of "Unmerited Conceited Bluster", at least these other schools know
their place, while Utah will have to be painfully wedged into their perpetual
bottomfeeder neighborhood..What a joy this is going to be to
watch.Every Football Program, to be considered Elite, must have, at
a minimum....A Unanimous National ChampionshipA Heisman
Memorial Trophy WinnerOutland Trophy winnersCollege Hall of
FamersA Legendary Hall of Fame Coach A Big League Stadium and
FanBaseBYU has all these things.....Utah has none.Wannabee Programs Talk.......Legacy Programs Do IT!
@Naval BoyNo, Holmoe reflects how the fans feel.Most of us
like Independence and it's perks.And U know BYU's perks very
well, as you display your obsession with BYU, ad nauseum.And the fact that
BYU has more exposure than U, just eats you up inside.Otherwise, you
wouldn't be all over BYU boards.I'll listen to a guy,
regarding Football, with 4 Super Bowl Rings, long before I'll listen to a
guy with a PhD, who insists on being called Dr. or one who has handled the U
Basketball program as poorly as he has?When they ask for a Doctor in
the house, PhD Hill will be the first to offer his services.Lavell Edwards
is also a PhD, as is Bill Cosby, however, we never saw such misplaced ego from
them.What you can't get over Naval, is the fact that BYU, on
it's Own Brand, has more influence with the biggest name in Soprts, ESPN,
then U will ever have.Move on and see if your Utes can procuce one,
single, solitary Conference Champion, in Any Sport, in the next 25 years.
Bluto:"The Pac is only rated 5th, so even if Utah were to go
12-0 or 11-1 (LOL), your Conference isn't strong enough to get U
there...BYU has a Legacy and would have a better shot with 12-0."Haha!!! Silly frantic and emotional one. Please....link us to one credible
site that lists the Pac-12 lower than 4th? And while you're doing so,
please also link us to some credible site that lists the Indy-WACers as having a
better shot at a Final Four appearance than ANY team in the Pac-12, Big 12, B1G,
or SEC. Or even the ACC.It's a good thing you're used to
not finishing anywhere in the Top-4. "And the fact that BYU has
more exposure than U, just eats you up inside."I think the fact
that our little brothers DON'T have as much exposure as the U does is one
of the things that has been eating YOU up inside. Just check out ESPN's
college football website. There's an entire blog dedicated to the Pac-12,
but none for the Indy-WACers.
Bluto, you are spot on with your observations, and the fact that people attempt
to refute what you say just further adds to what you say. Naval,
don't you think you are infatuated by BYU by posting so much, and always
negative? How many times do you post on U articles vs. BYU? Be honest. I
NEVER check U articles because I don't care at all. If you truly thought
BYU was so low, you wouldn't pollute your computer with so many articles
read would you?Statements like, "I think the fact that our
little brothers DON'T have as much exposure as the U does is one of the
things that has been eating YOU up inside" are simply not true, and you know
it. Being on ESPN 10 times plus a season is more than even the biggest teams in
other conferences get. Utah wasn't even in a conference who had an ESPN
blog 2 years ago, and now all the sudden they are relevant and get exposure
because they share a blog with 11 other teams? Post common sense
and you'll get people who will respect what you say....maybe.
Naval VetWho cares what the PAC 12 is rated if the Utes can't
even win a division where the only team that finished with a winning record,
besides the Utes, was on probation.Utah played SIX conference
opponents with losing records, and you only managed to lose to two of them, AT
HOME, includingto one of the worst teams in the country, Colorado(3-10).When ABC/ESPN were selecting games to television in 2011, Utah was
COMPLETELY ignored. Utah had to scramble just to get KJZZ to cover some of their
games, because absolutely NOBODY else was interested in the Utes.Compare that with BYU's schedule where 11 of BYU's 13 games were
televised on ESPN.Despite the bluster from the hill, BYU football is
a desired national brand. Utah football is, at best, a local/regional brand,
that has always played 2nd fiddle to BYU, even in Utah's own market.SLC/Provo/Ogden Market share ratings for 2011:Average
audience / Season highBYU 159,900 / 228,700Utah 90,500 / 132,700Key demographics shareBYU ranged from 14.7 to 19.0Utah
ranged from 8.2 to 13.4
@ Bluto,BYu's "legacy" in the BCS era is ZERO! They
haven't sniffed a BCS bowl game. Nor, will they ever."Exposure," you say? Yes, BYU has been exposed for sure. In the last
few years. BYu has been absolutely destroyed by TCU 4x, FSU 2X, Utah 2X, Air
Force 1X and USU 1X. BYu cannot beat a good team........in quite a while. And
don't bring up the 2009 Oklahoma game.......Sam Bradford was taken out by a
cheap shot in in the 2nd quarter as he was carving up BYU's lowly secondary
during that drive. I was at that game.If BYu was "all that"
and a bag of chips........why will NO major conference return their frantic
phone calls? BYu is NOT respected or liked. It is that simple sir.Furthermore, nobody has even found the channel # for BYutv. And BYu's
ESPN ratings have been horrific. In other words......nobody is watching BYu. The
"TRUTH" can hurt sometimes."National Brand?" Even
lowly Utah, as you claim, sells more "licensed" merchandise than BYU.
And, has done so for many years.I wish you the best and cheers!
Let's get real here..........BYu, during the WAC era, was a great white
shark in the "kiddie" pool. Now, they are merely a goldfish in the
ocean. That is true!
StrikerAnd saying that the PAC-12 is #5, that byu at 12-0 will get
in because of a "Legacy". The 80's are over and as for your AD vs
our DrHill everywhere Holmoe has gone he has failed that is exactlly where he is
leading the y in football and soon to be the other sports. Your ESPN contract
will be over and what will you have to fall back on, nothing. You're still
nothing that belongs to nothing.
Utah-Hawaii AlumDespite you absolute hatred of all things BYU... and
your laughably biased analysisBYU's legacy is a National
Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 15 national individual award winners, 6 National
College Football Hall of Fame players, and 18 Top 25 Finishes in the last 35
years (that's over 50%).Utah's "legacy" is two
games from a defunction system that, 10 years from now, will be nothing more
than a footnote in the history of college football .BYU's
National Brand is a key component of ESPN's college football programming,
helping to elevate ESPN's Thurday and Friday night programming to the
college football equivalent of NFL Monday night football. (btw, before making
yourself look foolish, that was the exact sentiment expressed by ESPN's
Vice-President of programming at BYU football media day.)Utah's
local brand is an after-thought by the networks, only occassionally worthy of
consideration by the national networks when they Utes are playing a nationally
interesting opponent...like BYU.As hard as it may be for
our friends on the hill to accept, BYU has a national fanbase. Utah
Utah-Hawaii AlumNOBODY has been "exposed" quite like Top 5
ranked, ESPN Game Day host, national championship "contender" Utah,
getting absolutely annihilated 7-47 on national television, and then getting
destroyed by a mediocre Notre Dame squad a week later, before ending the season
with another beat-down by Boise State, a WAC team.Remind us again
what it's like to be humiliated by a 10-loss team.Those who
live in glass houses...
@ TheSportsAuthority,Nobody is talking about BYU football. If you go
to the ESPN sports pages..........The U has 4-12 articles including Utah
football everyday. BYU has had 3 articles written in the last two months. Two of
them were about Ty Detmer in the college HOF. Nobody is concerned with BYU
football.This is what I like........the PAC 12, and BYu is an
afterthought and was NEVER considered. Get ready for another beating on 9-15-12
at RES..... because it is imminent and Utah is LOADED this year. We Utes observe
the scoreboard and it works in terms of reality. BYU fans print "glory"
t-shirts and never deliver. Good luck BYu.
BYu's bogus 1984 shampionship is exactly why the BCS exists today. The
nation was beyond stunned and disgusted that year. The bright side is
this.........it, a complete sports catastrophe, will NEVER happen again. Thank
"Nobody is talking about BYU football" Then why are you here?"BYU is an afterthought." Again, why do you keep coming here then?"Nobody is concerned with BYU football." Then why do you always
post here?What do any of your comments have to do with Peru and this
I'm so glad that the mighty Utes are in the big time as of today. I really
wanna watch Robbie Boscoe play QB last century. That would be golden.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"The U has 4-12 articles including Utah football
everyday."Time for a fact check. I went to that site to see all
of these articles and this is what I found:1. July 5th story about a
University of Washington commit landing an offer from Utah - typical recruiting
tactic for Kyle. 2. July 5th PAC 12 South article - mentioning Utah
by default of them being in the conference.3. July 4th article about
Utah's upcoming season. The header of the article "a comprehensive look
at all 122 FBS teams". Congrats on your name being next on the list. 4. July 4th article listing Utah as one of 6 schools for a 3 star
recruit. 5. July 4th PAC 12 South article6. July 3rd
article about OSU. Also included is a link about Utah struggling in the PAC 12.
7. July 3rd PAC 12 article8. July 3rd PAC 12 articleAre these the articles you are referring to that show Utah's
national presence? You said there are 4 to 12 per day. Where are they?
TheSportsAuthority said:"Utah-Hawaii AlumNOBODY has
been "exposed" quite like Top 5 ranked, ESPN Game Day host, national
championship "contender" Utah, getting absolutely annihilated 7-47 on
national television, and then getting destroyed by a mediocre Notre Dame squad a
week later, before ending the season with another beat-down by Boise State, a
WAC team.Remind us again what it's like to be humiliated by a
10-loss team.Those who live in glass houses..."Yep!
Those who live in glass houses. Do we need to remind you again what its like to
be humiliated on national TV at LES 54-10!Oh by the way. BYU is 6-9
all time vs San Jose St. I see you are on road at SJ this season.
Oooooweeeee! That will boost your ranking. Betting win that one.
@ Striker, I post about BYu because I despise them, like millions do
@ Stricker,There are less than a dozen BYu football fans in Peru.
Try to do better sir.
@u-hIt's hillarious how obsessed U are with a progam that is
sooooo "irrelevant"."I am a Utah man and I live across
the green..." with envy of that Crystal Football National
Championship trophy sitting in BYU's trophy case.-------------------btw, Brian Johnson doesn't have any better
chance of playing for Utah again, than does Robbie Bosco for BYU.Both are simply part of college football history: one nationally; one
locallyRobbie Bosco as the 1984 Sammy Baugh Trophy winner (awarded
to the nation's best passer) and quarterback of the 1984 National
ChampionsBrian Johnson as a local Utah hero who led the Utes to
their highest ranking.
upinthenightThere's a huge difference betweenan
unranked team doing everything possible to self-destruct, yet still only
trailing 14-10 at the half,and a Top 5, supposed
national championship contender getting totally dominated from start to
finish.Oh by the way, Utah is 0-7 lifetime versus Washington and I
see you are on the road at Washington this season. BYU is 4-4 versus the
Huskies, including a win just a couple of years ago.As for San Jose
State, BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 50's. Can't say
as much for the Utes, who lost to the Huskies last season.
Here is the deal.......Utah is in, BYU is out.......sorry.
I want BYu to pursue what they do. I want Utah to win in the PAC. I really like
Utah State and want to play them in a Utah showdown every year. I'm glad
Utah respectfully scheduled them for quite sometime in the future. BYU, in all
audacity gave a better program a 2 for 1. Uh, uh, uh, I cannot believe it
actually. With Utah's scheduling of Michigan in 2014-15, I want some
cupcake teams in Texas and Florida to further recruiting possibilities. Utah
will pound BYu again this year, then BYu will go into two rebuilding years. Yes,
in this era, BYu is easy prey, but that fact doesn't help Utah at all. I
want Utah to play a classy program like USU. Play other schools in rich areas to
BYu is in big time trouble. ESPN has only scheduled their first four games. at
bad times, understandably.......nothing else on the horizon, even on ESPN the
ocho. BYU's ESPN ratings were terrible last year, worse than the U of Ohio
as a matter of fact. BYu will lose to Wazzu, Utah, Boise State, Notre Dame,
Georgia Tech and possibly to OSU and USU. BYu will be lucky to be bowl eligible.
Other than Kyle Van Noy, BYu has zero good players.
As is relates to Peru, why do all souls there pay attention to a
"football" that is round, not egg-shaped? Soccer is South America is the
game, not BYu American football.
Just for giggles, is the Big 12 hoping for BYu to offer them their demands? BYu
is a national brand folks!
Man Utah-hawaii is the Joseph Goebbels of the trolls. No matter how many times
you say something doesn't make it so Joe. From listening to U-H, one would
have to surmise that he has connections inside BYU, inside the conferences and
inside the the Church leadership.Utah 0-7 all time against
Here's the deal U-H. Get over your hatred; it's not
healthy carrying a grudge for 30 years simply because you weren't good
enough to play golf for BYU.Your dire predictions of the demise of
BYU football, your half-truths and outright fabrications, are nothing but the
fanciful pipe dreams of a hater. No substance.Playing cupcakes to
"enhance recruiting" would simply be another feeble excuse for running
away from BYU - runnin' Utes indeed. Sorry to burst your
bubble, but ESPN will be scheduling many more BYU games as the season
progresses. Despite all of your blather about how irrelevant BYU's games
are, we can always count on the haters to be glued to the tube every time BYU
plays. Thank you for your support.Unfortunately for U, BYU fan
won't be returning the favor by subscribing to the PAC 12 regional channel
to watch Utah lose to Colorado. We'd rather spend our money on something
more exciting, like having our cars washed.
Utah-Hawaii AlumNice to see you are back to your old form. What
happened to your old screen names "zoob_buster" and
Uteanymous & Mesa coug.Washington is a PAC team. San Jose
St. is a WAC team. Understand the difference?
So BYU can demand a 2 for 1 with USU, but Utah is arrogant when it's the
other way around? Isn't BYU the reason why USU is in the position they are?
USU used to be on top until BYU forced the destruction of the WAC back when they
had 16 teams. They did it to USU again when they tried to join the WAC last
year, leaving USU in the cold over a gentlemens agreement.Isn't
this just a taste of your own medicine coug fans?Get used to losing
BYU. Utah had a mediocre team last year with a gimpy armed QB and they rolled
over you. What has changed from last year for BYU? That Nielson kid? He looked
okay against WAC defense. Who's your RB? Quesadilla? Meh... Any slow white
guys in the secondary? No, just headhunters.
MediocreUtahFanI'm sure the Aggie athletic department cashes
those checks with a smile on their face. If they didn't like it, they would
not do it. It's smart business.Now moving on...7
gift wrapped fumbles, you are welcome.Since we know nothing will be
big in Uteville anymore please tell me what mediocre felt like after losing to
Colorado and going 4-5 in your conference?And after seeing BYU once
again get recognized in the Top 25 Coach's Poll how did that feel,
especially after beating BYU? What's it like knowing that your
program is in shambles (except gymnastics) in most sports? That list of first
year achievements was pretty pathetic, even more so were the die hard Ute fans
acknowledging the fact.Get used to mediocrity, the U does it so