If BYU REALLY wanted to keep playing Utah every year they would agree to a
2-for-1 deal. I think BYU and USU playing during the final week is a pretty good
idea though. BYU would raise interest in their November schedule and USU would
get an exciting finally against the team they love to hate the most.
"If the Utah-BYU rivalry dies, or is even curtailed, don't blame the
Cougars." -- Brad RockOh no? Well then whose fault IS it that
the cougars are so WAC-ish and mid-majorey? If I'm not mistaken, bolting
the MWC for a WAC-ish irrelevancy WAS the cougars fault. And so was the reason
they were never good enough to qualify for a BCS bowl. All they did was
"Quest" for it, but that's not really getting it done.If the cougars start to play USU in late November, what will become of that
riveting rivalry with New Mexico State that Indy-WACey fans worldwide tune in to
on ESPN late at night to watch after the rest of their neighborhoods have
already gone to bed?Come on Holmoe. You know this rivalry means a
lot more to you than it does to us. Step up, and beg Dr. Hill for a deal to
play 2 games at RES for every game at LES. It's what's needed to
maintain this rivalry.
I think BYU should only consider playing the utes in LES in the future. If
that's not good with the utes...bye bye. There's no benefit to
playing in that puny stadium up north. Besides, BYU has plenty of opportunities
already to play lower echelon Pathetic 12 teams.
Naval Vet, I've read some of your posts on other articles and frankly, they
don't make any sense. What do you mean "WAC-ish"? Are you
referring to the WAC teams BYU scheduled during their first two years? I'd
say BYU did a fantastic job putting their schedule together during their first
two years as Indys. And how does BYU's move to independence decrease their
ability to play the rivalry game? Did you not even bother to read the article?
It is Utah's limitations placed on them by the PAC that is preventing the
rivlary game. What this comes down to is Utah wants to keep scheduling cupcake
teams to open each year (Northern Colorado). Utah is afraid to play too many
tough teams. Coach Whit even admitted that they are trying to "balance"
their schedule. In other words, they are afraid to keep playing BYU. Well, I
hope the Northern Colorado's help with Utah's strength of schedule
because suddenly, that is even more important with the new playoff system. YOu
don't see USC playing afraid by trying to schedule 1AA teams.
We don't need the rivalry. Neither team does! But BYU wants the rivalry and
is willing to be humble. Utah is suddenly to good though for us. And then they
call BYU fans proud. Yes, they beat us 54-10. Great they were better last year.
But this rivalry game is a good thing that should continue! BYU is willing. Utah
should step up to the plate. BYU doesnt need a rivalry with USU. We are in a
better position and are a better all around team yet we are willing to play
them. BYU is a class act. I'm disappointed the way Utah is handling this. I
am NOT saying Utah sucks and bashing them. I hope they do well! Really! They
could just handle this situation better is all I'm saying. Both teams have
a history of being good. Let the game continue. We're willing.
Why should BYU agree to a 2 for 1? They don't "need" the rivalry
just like Utah doesn't "need" it either. They simply want to
continue the rivalry because it is a Utah tradition. Besides, playing 2 for 1
would be a waste of money. After all, RES isn't much bigger than a high
school stadium. More revenue is generated in a 65,000 seat stadium than playing
in a stadium half that size. Maybe that is why you want a 2 for 1. That way,
you can generate the same amount of ticket sales that BYU would earn for that
one game. Hmmm.
@ BendermanYou know that Utah just barely finalized a home-home
series with Michigan right? Balancing the schedule refers to far more than just
the strength of opponents. It also includes keeping at least six (but probably
more) home games and it includes games that will positively impact recruiting.
Playing BYU every year plus a BIG team leaves only one game for Utah to
"tune-up" AND to play in recruiting hot beds. There simply are not
enough spots for Utah to keep BYU on the schedule annually and to accomplish all
of its OCC goals.
Also Benderman,Your hyperbole regarding the size of Utah's
stadium strikes credibility from your claim.@BYUfan93BYU
plays USU only when the Aggies agree to 2-for-1 deals. Utah is in a better
position so why is it unreasonable for Utah to asky BYU for a 2-for-1? I agree
that neither team "needs" to rivalry but I believe it is more important
to BYU due to the challenges of filling a 12-game schedule.
Utah gains nothing from playing at BYU in 2013 and 2014. Our SOS will be just
fine without it. In fact our road schedule for the next two years is on par or
better than the SEC:2013 4 road games: Arizona, Oregon, Stanford,
USC That is 3 possible top 10 teams on the road.2014 6 road
games: Michigan, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington2014 home games: Arizona, Oregon, Stanford, USC That is 4 possible top
10 teams, 1 on the road.I guess the Utah-BYU rivalry is dead unless
BYU does a 2-for-1, maybe?? Otherwise BYU's 2-for-1 against Utah State
will be its new rivalry.
I think BYU needs to shift its focus to San Jose St.The Spartans own
them with a 9-6 record!
Memo to Holmoe and Bronco....The rivalry ball has been in big
brothers court since the day Utah joined the Pac-12. Everyone knows BYU needs
the rivalry to continue. 1)It's their annual bowl game. 2)At the rate
they are losing in-state commits to Utah, it's the only chance they have to
get a leg up on Utah. 3)The only thing that matter to BYU now is finding a way
to beat Utah. The rest of their schedule are simply exhibition games.This is like someone calling their boss and quiting, minutes before they are
offically to be fired!
Just like their basketball program, the football team is afraid that playing
in-state teams will negatively affect their in-state recruiting.The u
little brother complex lives on in many of these posts.
i'll take the Notre Dame rivalry anyday. i prefer as a Utah alumnus and BYU
fan to cut Utah off all together. utah can have their pac 10 plus 2.
Let the series die. The Cougs will play Notre Dame, Texas, and Boise State,
while the utes will be challenged by Northern Colorado, and Montana State.Time to move forward.
@Two For FlinchingBYU does not need to schedule Utah to fill a 12
team schedule. Utah can only play in the beginning of the season, when everyone
else can. BYU could easily find someone of similar caliber to fill the slot.
BYU wants to keep it alive and Utah cares more about keeping it's schedule
clean than keeping a 100+ year tradition alive. Sad to see this go
away. I don't think it will continue, though.
It is more than disingenuous for Holmoe or any journalist to say it is all on
the Utes. The Ute's have atlest 10 BCS schools built into their schedule
going forward (9 conference and 1 big ten). BYU is playing 6 BCS teams with
another 5-6 scheduled wins. The scales are not equal. Why should Utah bare the
far greater burden?Bottom line, I say play the game. I do not believe the
risk to Utah is as high as Chris Hill makes out, the last time BYU had a sizable
victory was 1996. The Utes are blowing the y out of the water about every other
year. There is a separation and I do not see why we would not play BYU only to
substitute them with some other wac team.
TJ-Utah just scheduled Michigan with a home and home. Im sure they
are just terrified of competition. Byu are the ones that are scared, if they
werent they would schedule 2 for 1's with Utah. Have fun in Las Cruces this
BYU is interested in maintaining the rivalry purely to benefit the state. Utah
sees this only as a liability as a loss to the Cougars would put them in a
tougher spot going into conf play. BYU is just as capable as Utah to schedule
quality teams. And really, neither team benefits much from maintaining the
rivalry, outside of keeping some sort of relevant tie between the schools where
such a grand history exists.
I would be fine with doing a 2for1 with the Utes, as long as the Rivalry game is
moved back to November. I would say that is a fair compromise for both programs.
Let's be honest, BYU needs strength in the November line-up, BYU was the
only quality team with a winning record that Utah beat last regular season.
Honestly, it will be a 2-5 more years before Utah is even competitive in the
PAC-12 south. Winning the rivalry may be the only thing going for the U in the
next few years. If BYU continues to win 10+ games per season while being on
National TV for 8-10 games, why would in state recruits pick the U? The U needs
to consistently demonstrate it is the premier program in the state if it wants
to keep its recruiting foothold. Going 4-5 in the PAC is not doing you any
favors. Bottom line, continuing the rivalry is better for EVERYONE
I LOVE the comments about BCS...I guess those commenting didn't read the
news today that it's all done now.
I would be a lot more sympathetic to BYU and their demands if it wasn't for
the fact that they are demanding a 2-1 from Utah State to do them the favor of
playing them. If you are going to take that attitude toward an in-state rival,
don't complain if Utah does the same thing to you.
@Two For FlinchingThe Michigan series is part of the PAC/B1G
scheduling agreement. It is nothing Utah did. So how does opening to teams like
Northern Colorado help you as far as scheduling? You say you need a "tune
up" game but others read into that as you are scared. What "tune
up" games does USC play? Instead, they chose to continue their rivalry with
ND at the sacrifice of a "tune up" game. What it comes down to is Utah
is scared and doesnt' even think of themselves as being the caliber of
teams like USC.
Word is, ESPN is currently in the process of scheduling BYU home,home &
Neutral games series with Syracuse, Ohio State, Nebraska, UCLA, and Wisconsin.
Along with a 2 game series with Arizona St., USC, and Penn State. I'm sure
not all of these will pan out, but usually where there's smoke,
there's fire. Starting in 2014, I anticipate some of these programs will
start appearing on the BYU schedules.
The only Ute game I have ever been to was the one where we got free tickets at
Subway. You know, the one where Utah was playing Cal on national TV during
Urban's first year? They wanted so badly to make their stadium look full
on national TV that they gave away tickets. Now that is the sign of a strong
football power with a lasting tradition! They'll eventually have to give
away tickets again with their fans have no other team on their schedule to
hate...well, maybe Northern Colorado. Have fun with that.
@ute alumniFor being a supposed Ute alumni, you sure disparage the
University of Utah in all of your posts. Come on and admit that you are simply
a BYU fan, and an obvious anti-Ute fan. But don't insult the
rest of us true Utah fans who really did graduate from the U, and who support
the university on its move to the PAC 12.
Big Ute fan here. I hope the rivalry game continues. I resent the super
conference/ TV deal stuff that controls college football. I think it would be a
waste to not play in state rivals. That is what football is all about and what
makes the game fun. I agree that Utah could move on and can make a case for not
needing/wanting this game. But the game itself is such a great Utah tradition
and the rivalry is one of the best anywhere. This game should not die.
Why in the world would Byu want to continue to play Utah...Byu has won only 30%
of the meetings in the last 10 years...The Utes have the 32nd best ranking class
this year....byu meanwhile is ranked #60.......this is what you call a
TREND......The Utes will continue to get better and better recruits..byu will
stay stagnate..just like they have since Lavell Edwards resigned........
@BendermanYou should do a little more research. The Pac-12/Big-10
agreement doesn't start to affect schedules to 2017. The upcoming
Utah/Michigan series IS NOT PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. It takes place a full 3
years before.Amazing what a little fact finding will do for your
Utah has no reason what so ever to play BYU anymore. BYU is not in a BCS
conference so if Utah beats BYU, then according to pollsters, they should have
and if Utah losses, it is a big hit to Utah in the polls. Utah already has 9
conference games and in the near future will have a game every year against a
BIG 10 opponent, already have Michigan for the 2014-2015 seasons. That leaves 2
open games a year and what enticement is there for Utah to spend one of those on
Rivalries don't make two for one deals. Utah's arrogance is the only
thing that's seeking it. Please name me one intense rivalry that would
make that kind of a deal. Bronco and Holmoe were awesome today on
the rivalry and it's clear ute fans know (they even watched BYU's
media day) that they are the ones running away. What are they really afraid of?
If the are so much better than BYU why won't they play them? Hmm it must
be something else...what is it?
@Johnny Triumph"I LOVE the comments about BCS...I guess those
commenting didn't read the news today that it's all done now."______________If you really think the BCS is TRULY done then I
have some beach front property I'd like you to look at.You may
want to view the fine print in regard to the new playoff format ... and my beach
Worf @ 2:00Best comment yet - way to compare! Impressive, putting 3
of the Y's 4 best opponents against 2 of Utah's 3 worst opponents,
almost had me convinced......almost.
LES seats 20,000 more than RES and 40,000 more than Romney Stadium.And,BYU draws three to four more fans on television than the Utes
and even more versus the Aggies.Economically, even a Utah student
should be able to figure out that it makes much more sense to play the majority
of football games at LES. Average gate at LES is $1.3 million+ >
RESand $2.6 million+ > RomneyBesides, having a chance to
beat BYU is the highlight of Utah's season. The Utes certainly aren't
creating in highlights in the PAC.
@Benderman"The only Ute game I have ever been to was the one
where we got free tickets at Subway."_____________________Did you notice the deal that was just run on LivingSocial? A whopping $25 got
a person 4 football tickets and 8 basketball tickets. And yet fans like you want
to make fun of our cute little stadium in which 1 ticket costs more than your
season ticket package.By the way, that $25 was a steal of a deal ...
that package normally goes for $60! Wow, the demand for tickets to BYU games is
just getting out of control!
jenny"The Utes will continue to get better and better..."#2/#4#18/#18unranked/#23unranked/unrankedsupposedly better recruits don't seem to be helping Utah's downward
spiral in on-field performance; or maybe you missed last season's debacle
versus the Buffs.Despite your hyperbole, your myopic analysis
completely ignores several facts:5 of the last 7 games have been
decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes.Bronco has
FIVE Top 25 Finishes, compared to only THREE for Kyle.Bronco has THREE Top
15 Finishes, compared to only ONE for Kyle.Bronco has TWO conference
championships, compared to only ONE for Kyle.Bronco has a better overall
record than Kyle.andBronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team - Kyle
has lost to two of them.
@CG"Average gate at LES is $1.3 million+ > RESand $2.6
million+ > Romney"______________Based on? Judging by
the $25 livingsocial deal that just ran, I'm pretty sure your math
won't quite work. I mean seriously, $25 for 4 football games and 8
basketball games? Down from the regular price of a whopping $60?Sorry but your shear number of butts in seats doesn't tell the whole
I hope this rivalry is over. It got too intense.
After reading these comments, I'm perfectly fine with this series dying. If
the comments on this board repressent the average fan's views on this
subject, I'd be happy to never see this series played again. The lack of
brotherhood and the insults being thrown around would have been an embarassment
to both these Universities just a few decades ago.No - BYU does not
need Utah. No - Utah does not need BYU. But in the past, both these
administrations and fans have had a great deal of respect for the other. If this
is no longer the case, please, please let this series die! Although I'm a
Cougar at heart, I still cheer for the Utes. This foolish contention is
Re: Ute Alumni (BYU fan)You'll have to first FIND the
BYU-Notre Dame rivalry before you take it.
I'm a BYU fan and I say call the Utes bluff; take the 2 for 1 and have the
opportunity for more Beck and Hall-type finishes in RES...it's worth it to
keep the rivalry alive.If Utah is smart, they'll cancel the
rivalry all together and just take their poundings from teams in the PAC12.Good luck to both the Cougs and the Utes. It is fun to watch them both.
Utah is fooling themselves if they think they'll be competitive in their
new surrounding. They'll crawl back to the MWC hoping BYU will support them
with some TV revenue. Can't blame them for trying.
Move on to bigger and better things Utah.BYU isn't worth
hanging around for.
@SportsFan"Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team - Kyle has
lost to two of them."And what is Bronco's record against
ranked teams? Or even winning teams for that matter? I'll give you a
hint, it's really, really bad."Bronco has FIVE Top 25
Finishes, compared to only THREE for Kyle."If BYU fans are happy
with the way they snuck into the final top 25 rankings last year, after a season
full of beating up on garbage teams, while losing to the few good teams you
played, that says a lot about the expectation level in Provo. I guarantee every
Utah fan on this board would take last years 8-5, over the 10 win season
previous, with a MWC schedule. But to each his own."Bronco has
a better overall record than Kyle."Big deal, you see BYU's
schedule last year! Kyle is 4-3 head-to-head with Bronco, including 2-2 in LES,
and 2 absolute demolishings. Soon to be 5-3.And finally, the
ultimate trump card. Kyle has a Sugar Bowl win, and perfection. Bronco, not so
much.Good, never great = BYUGood, can be great = Utah
Don't blame the Cougars for the curtailment of the rivalry...Why not... If the Cougars were PAC 12 worthy they would have been invited as
Utah's partner.But, they're not PAC12 worthy... whose
fault is that? Utah's... I don't think so.C'mon
Cougars get yourself PAC12 worthy or stop your whining.
A couple points:1. BYU does not "need" this game as many of
U claim. They have no problem scheduling big name programs in September and
most of October. If you want to start talking about playing in November, then,
yes, the game would be more beneficial to BYU for scheduling reasons.2. The BYU/USU 2 for 1 comparison is completely irrelevant. I know many of U
get a bit illogical when talking about BYU but are you really claiming that the
Utah/BYU relationship is equivalent to BYU/USU? If so you have completely lost
any credibility. In addition, it makes no sense from a financial standpoint to
play at USU (which is similar to the BYU/Utah relationship as it makes no sense
financially to play RES).3. The BYU/Utah game is one of only a few
games when the Utes are on national TV.4. Don't talk about
playing 10 BCS teams as an excuse. First, it admits that BYU is a strong
opponent which wrecks many of your arguments, and second the PAC-12 has some
pretty bad teams.
I have never been a fan of Utah and am an advocate of BYU never playing them
again. BYU does not need Utah. That said, the powers that be, for whatever
reason, want the rivalry to continue. However, the ball is clearly in
Utah's court - and I think Coach Willingham has made it clear that he no
longer wants to play BYU. You know, he's above the rivalry now and has
bigger and better things to be concerned with.As for the Utah fans
calling for a 2 for 1. Funny how BYU used to be accused of being arrogant. Now
the shoe is clearly on the other foot. And as for the 2 for 1 - it will never
happen. BYU is clearly not having difficulties getting quality teams on the
schedule, so no need to even have Utah in the equation. If anything, BYU ought
to be demanding the 2 for 1 - 65,000 fans compared to 45,000 is a bunch of
money.Let the rivalry die!
@Howard S.BYU will never be PAC12 worthy as they will never give up
their religious ties.Do you really think there is any other reason
that the U was invited over the Y?
One last Point:USC and Stanford are able to play Notre Dame every
year and plan to continue to do so. There is really no reason that Utah cannot
continue playing BYU. And before you start your posts about BYU not being Notre
Dame, remember that Utah is definitely not USC or Stanford.I think
it is actually very short-sighted on the part of the PAC 12 to not allow Utah to
play BYU at the end of the year. They could partner with ESPN to have the game
played every year on Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving weekend on national TV. It
would be huge exposure for both teams and for the PAC 12. It would be Utah
highest rated game of the year and likely one of the highest rated for any PAC
Henry, Utah state has beaten BYU 3 times since 1980 (1982, 1993 and
2011). Some games have been competitive along the way. However, for the most
part, this series has been very one-sided for over 30 years. For most BYU fans,
the Utah State game is not a big deal because it has been one-sided. That may
change if USU starts winning more than once a decade.Utah has beaten
BYU 11 times during that same time period. Utah was a dormat to BYU for years
as well. The rivalry has picked up and been more meaningful once Utah started
winning some games and had some BCS success. However, they are 3-3 the last 6
years. A 2 for 1 is ridiculous and irrational and says alot about any fan who
thinks like that. Not a chance Holmoe signs up for that.
@Jeff291)Have you seen BYU's track record getting the top
in-state LDS talent to commit the last 3 recruiting cycles? BYU badly needs
this game to try and get themselves something to brag about compared to Utah.
BYU is getting less then 20% of the best local talent recently. When
that's your largest recruiting pool, that's not a good sign. Them
needing this game has much more to do with recruiting than scheduling.2)I wouldn't compare the Notre Dame/BYU relationship football wise to the
USU/BYU "rivalry", yet they demanded a 2-1 from BYU. Just the way of
the world. Bigger programs don't need to play road games at non-BCS
teams.3)Funny enough, after last years debacle, ESPN has moved the
Utah/BYU game to ESPN2, at 8:00. Guess they were tired of seeing BYU get
exposed.4)BYU is a good opponent, no denying that. Yet they come
with zero credibility, and thus zero reward. Win and you should have, lose and
you are embarrassed. In-state recruits are already flocking to Utah, no
incentive there anymore. Nothing to gain on Utah's end.
@ Benderman1The Utah-UM series is not part of the Pac-BIG agreement.
It doesn't start until 2017.UNCO helps with scheduling because
it is a home (tune-up) game and UNCO can't demand a return game in Greeley,
CO. K-Whit is following the model set by the SEC it's the SEC who has been
winning all of the national titles lately. I could argue that it would be
foolish to not follow that model....Hawaii is USC's warmup
game. Granted they are stronger than UNCO, but the Warriors are still not a
great team. And I have to agree with you that Utah does not think we are the
same caliber program as USC is. Clearly Utah is not. Hopefully in time Utah will
grow and will perennially challenge the Trojans for the South Division. BYU fans keep saying Utah is scared, but that is simply untrue. Utah is
doing what is best for the football program, and that calls for not playing BYU
annually due to schedule constraints.
@ Jeff1. Neither team needs it. But I don't think BYU's
September schedule is as strong as you think it is.2. The comparison
is completely relevant. Clearly Utah has taken the upper hand in the rivalry and
Utah holds a higher status as far a conf. affiliation goes. If BYU determines
that it currently does not make financial sense to play Utah 2-for-1 than so be
it. But a home-home series with BYU might not make financial success to Utah
either. There are a lot more momentary aspects to consider besides just the gate
revenue.3. Pac-12 Network & accompanying TV deal with virtually
every other sports network. Utah will not have a problem getting on TV.4. 9 of the 10 BCS teams Utah plays are more important than the BYU game. That
leaves a tune-up game and a game for recruiting purposes. I hope Utah and BYU
continue to play, it just won't be annually.
It's time for Utah to put the mid-majors to rest. If it's in
Utah's court, then so be it. If BYU wanted to play Utah bad enough, BYU
would be willing to negotiate a 2-1 at RES. BYU is such a primadonna, Utah
doesn't need them. I say if it isn't at least 2-1 home at RES, then
it's not worth ADJUSTING and tweaking the already extraordinary schedules
in the future.
So tell me again GoGetter, who is the prima donna??? Funny what arrogance can
do to an entire fan base.
@ GoGetter 6:08pmDo you mean mid majors like Boise State who own U?
wgred wvcI had scholarship box seat tickets for years and actually got a
degree from utah. I got fed up with the "fans" that I gave up the seats,
but still contribute to the school. The final straw was a "fan"
urinating on the field after a game. BYU's athletics is just more exciting
and family friendly. Good luck in filling the stadium.....
@Johnny Triumph"I LOVE the comments about BCS...I guess those
commenting didn't read the news today that it's all done now."---I LOVE the comments celebrating the end of the BCS as we know
it. The new BCS just pushed out the Big East and the ACC. Non-BCS schools are
getting pushed even further away.But, the worst part is that they
will change the name of the "BCS National Championship" to just the
"National Championship" while cutting out half of all the possible teams
from even participating.
As an Arizona State University Alum, its interesting how the Ute fans are
preoccupied in the least about an "out-of-conference" game with BYU
hurting them (in any way) going into conference play... Any previous BCS
success Utah experienced was coming out of a "weaker" conference (MWC) -
Ute fans should be more focused on working their way to "relevancy" in
the PAC12, and less about scheduling or beating a long-time rival year in and
year out... ASU is more focused on PAC12 success, than whether they beat
Illinois or Missouri (not to mention Northern Arizona) this year. As a BCS
conference, success in the PAC12 translates into BCS opportunity, period.
Abeille,I have many of the same feelings/concerns that you express. There
have been times that I would have like to see the rivary die. There have been
plenty of times that I felt the fan base acted like the worse type Middle School
Low Achievers, compared to the middle school high achievers. Their madness
seems anything but intelligent from either University. I live near the great
USC / UCLA Rivary. You don't see the same childish hate going on between
these two Univerities. The fan base acts more like college students and alumni
should act. I agree with Abeille, that if our imature hatered
brings out the uglyleness of it's fans, it is better that the rivarly
dies.In my opinion, the best case scenario would be for both Univrsities
to respect each other, bury the hatchet and act like college students and alumi
and not like a bunch of Middle School Jerks, compared to bright intelligent
Middle School Students. Can't we just get along. (Rodney King).
"I can say, from where we are, we'd like to play them every year. I
think that the game itself has such a fantastic tradition — a number past
games have gone down to the very last play. It's an intriguing matchup, one
of the best rivalries in world, in any sport, and to think it might go away
doesn't make a lot of sense to me."---Coach MendenhallPretty much how I feel too.Make it happen, Dr. Hill.
Gogetter"If BYU wanted to play Utah bad enough, BYU would be
willing to negotiate a 2-1 at RES. BYU is such a primadonna..."For definition of primadonna, see mirror.BYU simply wants to play
the game home-and-home as always. Sorry to burst your arrogant bubble, but Utah
is nothing but a bottom-dwelling, big boy conference wannabe. Despite the vastly
over-inflated egos on the hill, the Utes simply don't have the national
cachet to even think about asking for, let alone demanding, a 2-for-1 from a
legacy program like BYU.If the BYU-Utah rivalry game dies, it will
be entirely due to the selfishness and misguided arrogance of Utah.
Cougar fans need to understand that Utah's football program is now bigger
than the rivalry. Utah has simply outgrown BYU. Obviously BYU wants to
schedule Utah for the rivalry's sake, but equally or more so for the sake
of their schedule. BYU is good at scheduling 2 for 1's which clearly shows
their program's strength = equals great "away" schedule and
"so-so" home schedule with a bunch "Insert Name States." Neither BYU nor Utah would agree to a 2 and 1 series and neither should.
Utah will play a solid PAC 12 schedule and a team from the Big 10 each year.
With that type of schedule, the BYU game becomes inconsequential. If Utah beats
BYU . . . "so what." If Utah loses to BYU . . . "so what."
The game is meaningless. To "Robroy" playing LES: Given
your independence, BYU is going to be challenged to fill that big stadium. Fans
have already starting shifting from the Y to Utah to enjoy week-after-week solid
competition. Utah has outgrown the rivalry and all there is left is the bitter
taste of Utah's success in the mouth's of the "mid major" Y
Utah is getting pretty big for its britches. They show their arrogance by
looking at BYU as a "we'll have to wait and see" series. I guess
fans don't matter, tradition doesn't matter. What's best only for
Utah matters. Ten years from now after the Utes show they can not compete on a
regular basis with the PAC schools the stadium will go back to the days of empty
seats. It will be fun to watch.
@Uteanymous: "Utah is nothing but a bottom-dwelling, big boy conference
wannabe"------- According to college football
experts you are wrong:"Utah has accomplished something that is
difficult to do in the world of collegiate sports - make a significant climb up
the food chain... There isn't a huge sample size yet, but Utah proved last
season that it can be relevant in the Pac-12, even in a season in which it
suffered significant injuries. The program has a highly respected coach in Kyle
Whittingham who has proven that he has a program that can compete on a national
level."-- Mitch Light (Athlon Sports)“The Utes
need to have games against major non-conference teams in their schedules... Even
though the Utes don't have much experience as a member of a major
conference, they do have a brand thanks to their undefeated seasons in 2004 and
2008. They've established themselves, but what they have to do now is keep
re-emphasizing that brand and doing things like this, upgrading the schedule [by
adding Michigan], is a major move."---- Tony Barnhart (College
football analyst for CBS Sports)
UteologySorry to burst your bubble with a little reality check, but
the Utes have been in steady decline since they reached their high-water mark in
2008.#2/#4 - conference champion#18/#18unranked/#23unranked/unranked - losing conference recordThe ONLY thing the
Utes have accomplished since 2008, is a lucky win over BYU in 2010, and a big
win over BYU in 2011 that was due mostly to the Cougars self-destructing.Ironically, the Utes are ready to turn their backs on their only source
of pride since 2008.Pride cometh before the fall, and Utah is headed
for a big fall. A couple of losing seasons and no bowl games, and RES will start
to resemble Rice Stadium of old when Utah barely drew 30,000 fans, except when
the Cougars came to town. Except this time, the only Cougars coming to town will
be the Wazoo.Enjoy the fall. Don't say U weren't warned.
1) BYU is as valuable to Utah's schedule as North Colorado2)
Michigan is as valuable to Utah's schedule as USC, Standford or Oregon 3) Utah is more valuable to BYU's schedule than a Notre Dame or
Georgia TechIt's understand why Utah does not want/need to play
If the rivalry ends, BYU's pride will be just as responsible as Utah's
moving up. BYU schedule's 2 for 1's all the time. The ball is in their
court to do so now. I do hope they find a way to keep playing but I am not
optimistic about it.
I guess after that 54 - 10 whoopin the Cougs got last year and the fact that
they have only one 30% of their games against Utah in the last 10 years -- it
can make them pretty bitter!
@BendermanNorthern Colorado is a cupcake, but most every team in any
conference has a tune up game. Utah is playing Michigan and will have solid
opponents for 2 of the 3 non-conference games each year.BYU will
continue to play solid teams for half their schedule, but will have breaks
relative to heavy wear and tear for the other half (which by the way are
cupcakes to fit your description).The grind of the PAC 12 is a weak
in and weak out grind. Schedules do need balance.Also, like I said,
Utah only has 3 games to work with out of conference each year because they have
9 conference games. On years when they play 5 conference road games, they
can't schedule more road games out of conference without taking balance
away.I think if BYU played twice at RES in 2012 and 2013, and then
went back to a home and home there on out, Utah might budge.I do
think Utah needs variety out of conference though. Otherwise, counting the
conference games, Utah is playing the same teams most years. USU and BYU is too
I love how this "legacy" program has been reduced to baiting it's
rival in the media to get a game. Who needs who?
Utah is such a bunch of babies. Look at LSU, playing two very tough teams out
of the SEC and still made it to the championship. The PAC is very weak, with
only 2-3 good teams in any given year. USU is worthless and does nothing for
BYU, and I don't know why we play them. BYU might as well play Dixie.
Please, let's get rid of all WAC teams for good. BYU fans are ready to
move on to bigger and better teams and play teams that actually have some
tradition like BYU.
Some more truth syrum for BYU fans.Just listen to the two coaches
and you'll see who needs this game to continue.Kyle: "Our
program is bigger than the rivalry."And last night on
Kall700....Bronco: "For me, our schedule starts and ends with
the rivalry game with Utah."Ouch, that has got to sting.
Benderman1:"The Michigan series is part of the PAC/B1G
scheduling agreement. It is nothing Utah did."As has already
been mentioned a couple of times, the Pac-12/BigTen agreement does not take
effect until 2017. Our scheduled Home-&-Home with them is for the 2014 and
2015 seasons. Colorado has a game at Michigan in 2016, but with no return game.
That should tell you something.Besides, claiming a solid marquee
matchup between the Utes and a big name BigTen team would have been nothing more
than a product of the Pac-12/BigTen agreement seems a little hypocritical coming
from a WACey fanbase who touts ESPN execs as the ones responsible for their
Texas and Ga. Tech games. What's the difference? How is it boastworthy
for ESPN executives lining up games the Indy-WACers couldn't otherwise get,
but shameful when Pac-12 Network executives allegedly do so likewise for your
big brothers on the Hill?There is no comparison between the rivalry
between USC and ND with Utah and our little brothers. ND isn't WAC-ish and
mid-majorey. If they WERE, then USC wouldn't schedule them anymore either.
Black&Blue:"Word is, ESPN is currently in the process of
scheduling BYU home,home & Neutral games series with Syracuse, Ohio State,
Nebraska, UCLA, and Wisconsin."Yes, I read that "word"
on DeepshadesofBlue A YEAR AGO! And thus far, all you got was a one-off with
Nebraska. On the other hand, the "word" that Utah was buying out their
return game to USU in favor of scheduling a BigTen team instead, came out last
month. I even predicted that BigTen game would have most likely been either
Michigan, Penn St, or Purdue. So why was Utah able to close this deal within a
month, while your "legacy program" is still spewing that very same
unverifiable folklore for going on 12-months now?It wouldn't
surprise me one bit if the "54-10 Quitters" announced future contracted
matchups with NMSU and Idaho before we'd hear anything about additional
games being scheduled vs. Syracuse, Ohio St, Nebraska, UCLA, Wisconsin, ASU,
USC, or Penn State.What dark days these are for your people.
3grandslams:"...it's clear ute fans know that they are the
ones running away."Running away? From the team that we've
beaten 7 of the last 10 times? From the team that will need an entire
generation of wins against their big brothers just to EVEN the series? From the
team we POUNDED on national television -- at LES no less -- 54-10? What a
frantic and emotional thing to say. You sound like that tiny neighborhood dog
who chases after kids on their bicycles AS THEY'RE RIDING AWAY, but turns
tail and flees the moment that kid stops and/or turns his bike around.Nope, Utah isn't running away. Just look at who we scheduled? Michigan.
True, we had to back out against USU to ensure this game could be scheduled,
but that doesn't mean we ran from the Aggies. And likewise, we don't
run from our little brothers in Provo. In fact, I think it's clear by the
cougars' refusal to accept a 2-for-1 at RES that it's the Y who is
running away. Whatever. They won't be missed.
CG:"BYU draws three to four more fans on television than the
Utes and even more versus the Aggies."Care to back that up?
Because I seem to recall that it was Utah who was getting the larger television
audience. Didn't the 2011 Sun Bowl receive a 2.71 Nielsen rating, vs. the
paltry 1.43 for the corresponding Armed Forces Bowl? That's nearly DOUBLE
the viewership that our little brothers received; obviously NOT the 1/3 to 1/4
valuation you'd fantasized about. How embarrassing for you.
Jeff29:"USC and Stanford are able to play Notre Dame every year
and plan to continue to do so. There is really no reason that Utah cannot
continue playing BYU."Yeah, but Notre Dame isn't so WAC-ish
and mid-majorey. So no real comparison there."It would be Utah
highest rated game of the year and likely one of the highest rated for any PAC
12 team."How so? It wasn't our highest rated game LAST
year! Why would it be our highest rated game(s) in the future? Our former
rivalry was the highest rated game IN THE MWC ONLY! And even THEN, Utah had
several higher rated games vs. Texas A&M, Cal, Oregon, Pittsburgh, and
Alabama. But we're not in the MWC anymore, so it isn't you anymore.
Our highest rated game for 2012 would most likely be USC. Don't be so
frantic and emotional.The campus is your world.
Uteanymous:"The ONLY thing the Utes have accomplished since
2008, is a lucky win over BYU in 2010, and a big win over BYU in 2011 that was
due mostly to the Cougars self-destructing."OR...the ONLY reason
the cougars played Utah as closely as they did back in 2010 was because it was
the injury-riddled UTES who were self-destructing. But, since good teams find a
way to win, we won anyway. Only just by less points than what we were capable
of. We WERE the favored team that year, ya know. In 2010, Utah finished 10-3,
whereas YOUR boys finished 7-6. And remember, you had to cheat [SDSU] just to
get that 6th win to ensure you'd make it to the postseason. Our blowout
win in 2011 was because we WEREN'T self-destructing that day.You see that? It goes both ways.
Striker:"Utah is such a bunch of babies. Look at LSU, playing
two very tough teams out of the SEC and still made it to the
championship."So now Utah is being compared to LSU? Ok. So
tell me....does LSU have a series of Home-&-Home games with Tulane? Or La.
Tech? ULL? ULM? Any mid-majors whatsoever?"williary"
(7:56am) really nailed it with those Whittingham and Mendenhall quotes. Allow
me to cut-&-paste them again:"Our program is bigger than the
rivalry" -- Kyle Whittingham"...our schedule starts and ends
with the rivalry game with Utah." -- Bronco MendenhallIt's
clear that its the Indy-WACers who need a boost from their big brother, so
it's time Holmoe and Mendenhall stop chickening out, and accept a 2-for-1
at RES. It's the right thing to do, and necessary to maintain the rivalry.
If the situation were reversed with the cougars in the Pac-12/Big 12, while the
Utes were back in the WAC, there's little doubt Holmoe/Mendenhall
wouldn't have demanded the same from us. Afterall...they've been
doing it for years to Utah State.
To Pathetic 12 member....The only reason BYU fans would go to RES is to watch
the mighty utes get hammered. I mean they did win 4 conference games last year,
Naval Vet"The ONLY thing the Utes have accomplished since 2008,
is a lucky win over BYU in 2010, and a big win over BYU in 2011 that was due
mostly to the Cougars self-destructing."Weak red herring, but I
noticed you didn't even try to dispute the most salient point that
Utah's wins over BYU ins 2010 and 2011 are the ONLY accomplishments of any
significance the Utes have had since 2008.Utah is in a decline that
will become undeniable, even to the most delusional kids on the hill.
"Bronco, Holmoe put BYU-Utah series in Utah's court’"They also put the Big 12 expansion in the Big 12 court and the Big East
into the Big East court and November games in everyone's court.So, why isn't anyone returning the ball?
Utah has 10 BCS teams on it's schedule, huh? The BCS doesn't exist
anymore. And you're including teams like Washington State and Oregon State
in that, who happen to also be on BYU's schedule this year. Don't
forget about Utah State, who both teams will play this year too. Wow,
Utah's schedule is looking SO tough. You have USC but who else is Utah
claiming is such a tough opponent this year? Don't forget about Northern
Colorado. Bottom line is Utah wants to keep scheduling 1AA teams to open every
year. They are scared. BYU is able and willing. Utah is able and scared.
They know deep down that they can't compare themselves to teams like USC,
who aren't afraid to leave 1AA teams off their schedule.
RobroyYou are the last y fan to comment so here it goes-yes we only
won 4 conference games, how many did the y? And the Utes getting hammered,
those games are all in the past. The cougar football program is not even close
to the Utes keep pop'n off mr 54-10. All of you should be quite until
after 9/15. After that date you will all see where both programs are. So be
good little cougars and crawl back into your caves, head to head it's not
even close anymore.
To all BYU Fans:Let's see things the way they really are.
Because of the scare of 'Mega-Conferences', several BCS conferences
chose to expand. Among them was the PAC X. It was obvious from the beginning of
discussions that BYU would not receive an invitation to join that conference. In
particular, the Presidents of Stanford and Berkley would not approve of a
religiously-based, conservative institution joining their conference. Since the
vote had to be unanimous, BYU was out before the discussions even started. Utah,
on the other hand, being a state-run institution, was much more palatable. Utah
could more easily agree with specifics involved with being a PAC member (such as
Professor-exchange programs between the schools). And Utah athletics needed the
funds that come along with being a member of the PAC. It was a good decision for
Utah - one they needed to make. Also, although BYU has a more storied history
than Utah in Football, Utah's more recent success on the gridiron - which
exceeds our own - made them attractive to the PAC.
To all BYU Fans (Cont):Let's wish our Ute Brethren the best of luck
in the upcoming years. The PAC XII is a very good conference, and if Utah can be
at the top of the PAC XII south, it benefits our entire state. With the recent
agreement between the PAC XII and the BIG 10, Utah has very little room on their
schedule. Kyle Whittingham has already said that, with the 3 out-of-conference
games they have, they want 1 tough team, 1 equally matched to themselves, and 1
easier team to play. That makes sense, even though it leaves BYU out in the
cold. Let's wish them well and hope that, occasionally, we'll meet as
Brothers on the gridiron in the future.
To all Ute Fans:Let's see things the way they really are. Being in
the Pacific Athletic Conference can be exhilarating, as well as a
responsibility. Even in my younger days, I've loved the PAC VIII. I have
lived on the campuses of both Oregon State and Washington State (and later, at
Utah as a student), and have siblings that have attended the University of
Oregon. Rivalries in the PAC are not hate-fests! We love our teams - we cheer
for our teams. But we don't denigrate our opponents - EVER! Where's
the joy in beating a team you consider to be inferior to you? Our rivalries
include respect for our rival. Good-natured bantering is okay, but hating is
To all Ute Fans (cont):We are in the PAC XII because we belong there. Our
recent success in football proves it. We have the fortune of being involved in
one of the richest conferences around - both monetarily and athletically. But
let's not forget where we came from. BYU has been our Brother for many
decades. When the SWAC was reforming, BYU was part of the plans. But when they
found out that BYU would not join the soon-to-be Big XII unless Utah was
invited, the forthcoming invitation was withdrawn. Like it our not, part of our
success can be attributed to BYU. They have been a strong oopponent - a worthy
opponent. Let's recognize that BYU got the shaft. For our part, let's
wish them well in Independence. After this season, let's look forward to
the time we once again meet our brothers on the gridiron - in honor and respect.
@Ute Wanna BeWhat has Utah done since 2008? Well, if it's
about wins-and-loses then...Utah:MWC: 20-6PAC-12: 8-5Overall: 28-11BYU:MWC: 18-8WAC: 10-3Overall:
28-11The difference we had to "reload" against PAC-12 play.
AbeilleGood-natured bantering is okay, but hating is not.------------From your mouth to Max Halls ears.
Translated - Play us please, we need to remain relevant even though we play the
bottom half of the WAC every year.
Uteology - Agreed!
If BYU wants to play with Utah, BYU should try to make it to the big league
BYU vs. Utah Rivalry is dead! Don't think of it anymore. Both schools are
moving to different direction. Bye-bye Utah, because it's afaid to loss
without gain. Utahns... we forget.
@Benderman1Yes, Utah is scared. Which is why they just agreed to
play the most winning program in CFB history.
Abeille:"When the SWAC was reforming, BYU was part of the plans.
But when they found out that BYU would not join the soon-to-be Big XII unless
Utah was invited, the forthcoming invitation was withdrawn."That's a myth. The Big 12 NEVER withdrew any invitations. The cougars
were never invited. What REALLY happened was the Big 8 wanted to add Texas and
Texas A&M. Period. They wanted to add 2 teams, thus becoming a 10 team
(not a 12 team) league. The snag was once Texas Gov. Richards and Lt. Gov.
Bullock found out about the 'Horns and the Aggies intentions to join the
Big 8 without their alma maters (Baylor & Tx. Tech), they threatened to
withhold state funding unless they brought the Bears and Raiders with them. The
Big 8 allowed Tech and Baylor to join because UT's and A&M's
coattails were long enough to drag them in.Meanwhile, the cougars
fantasized about leaving the WAC and joining this expanded new league. And,
just like the present day....they weren't wanted.
Abeille: "To all BYU Fans (Cont):Let's wish our Ute Brethren the
best of luck in the upcoming years. The PAC XII is a very good conference, and
if Utah can be at the top of the PAC XII south, it benefits our entire
state."I enjoyed reading your To All BYU Fans series, but this
comment isn't applicable. There's only a certain percentage of BYU
fans in Utah. We who are not part of that great state couldn't care less
about the pride the State of Utah take in the Utes. They're
called the "Runnin' Utes" for a reason.
Naval Vet -Does it do you any damage to know that BYU has helped
Utah get to the position they're now in? Does it somehow injure you to know
of the kindness BYU showed to Utah? You are correct when you say that BYU did
not receive an invitation from the Big XII. And I am also aware of the threats
used by the Governors of Texas which resulted in the admission of Baylor to the
Big XII. But my statements are not inaccurate. They were reported at the
time.My Father-in-Law, a very honorable man that my wife loved, was
also a Naval Vet. My father was an Army Vet, as was his Father before him. From
these three I learned the value and strength of men. I learned kindness,
generosity, and caring. As a result, I've always had admiration for the men
and women that have served our country. Your constant berating of the BYU
Cougars is beneath the dignity I learned from these men. You might want to
consider that you're an example, and with your words and actions you teach.
Just a friendly suggestion from a fellow Ute fan.
There is absolutely no possibility that BYU would schedule a 2-1 series with a
lesser program like Utah, unless it would require two games in Provo to one in
Salt Lake. So simple even a caveman can understand.
The ball is in utah's court and it seems they have grabbed their ball and
bolted to go hide behind a rock and curl up in a fetal position. Thats fine if
they dont want to play BYU, BYU has already scheduled Boise State for the
foreseeable future and they will replace Utah as not only a better opponent but
BYUs new rival. Meanwhile utah can be stuck with colorado as their rival, of
course utah couldn't handle a 2-win colorado team a year ago so maybe thats
not a good thing for utah LOL.
Yes, BYU needs this game more than the Utes because of their difficulty in
scheduling quality opponents. Yes Utah is a great opponent. If the real issue
is Utah wants 5-6 home games then BYU should offer to play the Utes in Salt Lake
next year with the assurance that the Utes will alternate here on out. BYU
sayes it in Utahs court but BYU should offer to make the sacrifice to keep the
BYU needs to accept their current reality. Just like they demanded USU to
accept scheduling needs of BYU, 2 for 1, and travel when the greater team needed
the consideration. This is all so simple, tell Utah you want to play as often
as possible even when the balance is more games in SLC, and the problem is
solved. You just can not insist on equality with teams in the next level up.
Abeille:"Does it do you any damage to know that BYU has helped
Utah get to the position they're now in? Does it somehow injure you to
know of the kindness BYU showed to Utah?"The only thing the
Indy-WACers did for the benefit of the Utes was roll over for us in our routes
back in '04 and '08. Without those 2 perfect seasons, Utah would
still be in the MWC. And I'm not sure what "kindness" you were
referring. It has NEVER been reported that our little brothers refused an
invitation from the Big 12. It has ALSO never been reported that the cougars
made any insistence that if Utah wouldn't be invited, the Y stays back in
the WAC. Unless you want to count cougar fan blogs like deepshadesofblue or
cougarboard, where fantasy is preferred to fact. And THAT's why you
won't be successful in providing me the name, date, periodical, and date of
ANY legitimate articles to the contrary.
Abeille:"My Father-in-Law...was also a Naval Vet. My father was
an Army Vet, as was his Father before him. From these three I learned the value
and strength of men. I learned kindness, generosity, and caring. As a result,
I've always had admiration for the men and women that have served our
country."I've heard this "your mean, you can't
possibly be a veteran" refrain many times before. And ALWAYS from cougar
fans. ALWAYS! Likewise have I heard the folklored myth that our little
brothers declined the Big 12 because they wouldn't let Utah come along too.
And likewise, ALWAYS from cougar fans. And since there has been a growing
trend of Y fans pretending to be fans of other Pac-12 schools -- INCLUDING UTAH
-- you'll just have to pardon my skepticsm of your claims to be "a
fellow Ute fan". Nevertheless, I'm going to educate you on something.
I'm going to introduce a NEW WORD to your limited vocabulary......."Non-sequitur"
charlie boy, BYU is not, and has not insisted on any kind of consideration or
equality with any team in "the next level up." Do you know something
that has never been reported before? Please explain your comment because it
certainly cannot be attached to utah.
Utah is obviously in the game for many reasons, most of all, because it is a
world ranked school. I wish BYU to pursue missionary work. They try to do their
best and that is cool. The LDS faith is the most popular religion in the world,
no close second. BYU will do well and the U will have to listen to BYU to make
the proper steps in the future. I sure hope Chris Hill will take Tom
Holmoe's direction. BYU is a storied, legacy program. Utah is wondering how
to be just OK. Goooooooo Ures!
BYU does not need the annual rivalry game any more than Utah does, especially in
September. BYU can schedule just about any team they want in September. And if
Utah is going to place so little value on 100 years of history and partnership
between the two universities then both schools should just agree to go their
separate ways. If Chris Hill cancels the annual football game then Tom Holmoe
should respond by cancelling it for every other sport as well - basketball,
baseball, womens softball - EVERYTHING!
The bottom line is BYU is VERY popular. They have been invited to join every BCS
conference. The SEC begged BYU to join last week, but BYU is larger than the
SEC. ESPN has chosen BYU to be their flagship football team. I've watched
every BYU football game since 1957. They dominate college football. Utah is so
scared of BYU, and they should be.
Utah-Hawaii Alum...hahaha I like your sense of humor!If
BYU can play on Sunday, they would be playing with the NFL!
Not much exposure when the cougs and utes play each other. With both teams
playing and winning against other popular schools, the state of Utah profits.
Let go of the series for a while.
"I can say, from where we are, we'd like to play them every year,"
Mendenhall said...Sure, every mid-major would love to schedule the
big guys:--a close loss is like a win--a 54-10 loss: "we beat
ourselves..."--a narrow win: this is the best win in school history
I love the "exposure" claims of BYU fans............as if someone will
like you? Is that what you are hoping for?
@ SoCalUtahFan,Trust me bro........Tom Brady and Eli Manning are so
grateful that BYU won't play on Sundays!!!!!! They hate losing, as you
@RepresentBlueBYU does not need the annual rivalry game any more
than Utah does, especially in September. BYU can schedule just about any team
they want in September.----------In 2013, you only have
Texas scheduled in September with three TBA.Just curious when will
these rumors reported in May 2011 by DeepShadesOfBlue going to come true:* Reportedly in the works are 3-game sets with Nebraska, Wisconsin and
possibly Penn State. * UCLA and USC are among the schools rumored
for a series of two games.* BYU will travel to Arizona State to kick
off the 2013 season on Friday night on ESPN* BYU will play Penn
State in 2014 at FedEx Field in Landover, MD* Starting in 2015, BYU
will play Syracuse home-home-neutral (Meadowlands Stadium)* BYU will
play Ohio State home-home-neutral (Dallas, TX)
Looks like the Ute Trolls just can't get BYU out of their minds..For a group of Belching-Wannabees, who claim Superiority ad nauseum, you sure
don't act like even you, really believe it.In fact, your
comments Personify an "Acute Inferority Complex".40 years of
BYU dominating U in all Sports, will have that effect.Champions don't
need to boast, only Wannabee Pretenders with Self Inflated Egos, do.Otherwise, Ute-Troll-Nation would not continually be trying to convince
"Themselves", that BYU is not even worthy to breath the same air as the
Mighty Vaunted Ute Athletic Programs. Programs which, by the way,
will Never win an outright League Championship in the Pac 11-last resort
1.NO guys, your Inferority Complex is on full display every time an
article on BYU is written.U are not SC or Oregon.....U are at
best....Wazzu.Get back to us when U can match BYU's
achievements in all Sports. Right now BYU has about a 5-1 advantage in
All-Americans (all sports) over U.And in Hall of Famers and National
Award Winners.......We'll spare U the embarassment and not go
Bluto:Doesn't Utah have a 2-0 advantage in relevant BCS
bowls?Why don't YOU try to get back to US once you can point to
some semblence of greatness without having to climb into Mr. Peabody's
"Wayback Machine" from the last century.Meanwhile we'll
be playing our Football in relevant conference. When you DO get back to us,
please be sure to leave a message as we'll likely be too busy to talk to
you. Have fun down there in the WAC's last season of existence.