And the unraveling of the Republic goes on.....
I know, I know, judicial activism. I they rule with ARZ, they are a
conservative court. If they rule against them, they are judicial activists.
The Republican lie continues.
Once again truth, justice and homemade apple pie have been struck down.
Wow, this one makes a lot of sense. It also makes sense that the 3 usual
suspects of conservative activisim on the court diagreed, while Chief Justice
Roberts was part of the majority.
Relax, carrying documents and not being able to work are covered by Federal law.
The big win is allowing officers to ask for citizenship after a
stop. Not arresting minor immigration offenses makes sense, our jails can't
hold them. It will give us a list of those here for a future administration to
work with. Meanwhile we get rid of cartel members, hardened gang members,
etc.Sanctuary cities can't use the excuse of profiling or not
obeying the law.
Well thought out. It is extremely telling that Roberts formed the majority. If
Kagan had participated it would most likely be a 6-3 decision. Vote
Mitt, change the administration, and then it will be amazing to see people who
hate this decision screaming that it is the administration's right to
enforce immigration. The S.Ct. has already ruled that states can
require e-verify. Enact e-verify.
turn the keys to the country over to mexico. u.s. citizens come in second again.
With this decision, it seems there will not be much motive to profile and that
One of the big issues in enforcing immigration laws already on the books is by
allowing enforcement. This appears to have allowed that part to continue. Now,
with a heavy election year for President, Governors, U.S. Senate and Congress,
and state offices, it will be very enlightening to see what the politicians and
campaigns do with this read. It will put the Legislative Branch of our country
to task. They have stayed back hoping that someone would make the decision for
them. The State of Arizona and a lot of the other border states will have
action and voices from now until November. The President will have to rethink
his lack of real policies and make adjustments. I still can see the Governor of
Arizona on the tarmac with the President when he gave her no respect. States
are trying to do the right thing with inaction from active enforcement from the
Federal side. We hope for protection and common defense against our enemies.
Not everyone coming to the U.S. of A want to help us in our cause of freedom.
We have large borders and tongue and cheek protection with a Homeland Security
that should protect US
We have to remember that if immigrants have to carry papers, we all do.
Otherwise, an illegal immigrant need only say, "I'm legal--I don't
need to carry papers." Not all immigrants are Spanish and if they stop you
based on skin color, you have a serious discrimination issue. We can't only
require Spanish-looking people to carry ID. I have blond hair and blue eyes, but
I could be here illegally from Canada. (I'm not, but I could be.) When I
was growing up, we were taught the evils of Russia and China, which forced all
people to carry ID papers. We were taught to fight tooth and nail to prevent
this from happening to us because it was a sign of Communism. It seems
we've forgotten that fear.I am guessing many who like the idea
of minorities having to carry papers feel secure their own skin color will keep
them from being stopped every ten steps to "prove" citizenship. I
don't always carry ID when I walk to the corner or sit on my front porch
and I don't wish to carry identify paperwork everywhere I go.
"The court struck down these three major provisions: requiring all
immigrants to obtain or carry immigration registration papers, making it a state
criminal offense for an illegal immigrant to seek work or hold a job and
allowing police to arrest suspected illegal immigrants without warrants."These were struck down only because they are already federal laws. It
does not mean they are unenforceable by the state.The Key provision
of checking the immigration status is a huge win for Arizona. The court was
unanimous on this point. Of course this story is going to be spun to make it
sound like Arizona lost.
Headlines are very funny things. Here is what the BBC says "US Supreme Court
upholds key Arizona immigration clause- The US Supreme Court has upheld a key
part of a tough Arizona immigration law that would give new powers to police to
check the immigration status of people stopped and arrested."Seems like a different perspective than this article, even though it says much
the same thing in the text.
The case before the Supreme Court was NOT to rule on the merits of the Arizona
law but on its Consitutionality. It wasn't surprising that the vote was
unanimous that allowing state officials to check the papers of supected illegals
was not an encroachment on Federal jurisdiction. What was interesting and
reassuring was that on key issues of enforcement, the conservative Chief Justice
Roberts crossed over to vote with the liberals.
The reason states have been modifying their driver's license processes is
to have it more consistent with a policy that it is one form of identification.
In other countries, the process is already defined, you carry your passport if
you are from another country and or a visa. Immigration is not a skin color
issue and police officers, etc. who will be enforcing the law in Arizona already
have a process as do some other states, already. We live in a great country and
our ancestors paid a large price for us to enjoy the benefits of this law and
order country. We pay a price for our freedoms we enjoy and the Preamble to the
Constitution is such a beautiful part of the Document that we somewhat pay honor
to in a week on Independence Day. Freedom doesn't come without a price.
For those coming to this country, will have their price to pay by participating
in our country's laws and order and some will even do public service
through the military. For those who forgot the reason of Memorial Day,
Independence Day, Veteran's Day, etc, it is more than just fireworks.
Life, liberty, pursuit.
This decision is a slap in the face to all 50 States and to every patriotic
American citizen. Sadly, it is just one more in a long string of outrages that
have occurred under the reign of the current left-wing administration.The left-wing is leading this Country down the path to lawlessness, anarchy,
and atheism. The left claims that States have no power to enforce laws because
doing so is the job of the federal government, and then the federal government
refuses to enforce the law. Under this reasoning, we might as well have no laws
A lot of people seem to be in favor of a police state, so long as they think the
police will spend their time bothering other people. When the wheel turns and
the police start bothering them, maybe they'll change their tune.Or they can change now, and stand for freedom.
I just can't help but think of the implications of the Supreme Court
rulings. Currently, when I get pulled over, I have to submit my drivers
license. The officer needs to know who I am, and the officer gets to run a
background check on my driver license and my car license, searching for warrants
and criminal activity.However, if I was an illegal immigrant, I have
a right to hide sections of my criminal activities. Thank you, Federal
Government, for facilitating such an amazing inconsistency, providing more civil
rights for our illegal immigrants than your own legal residents.
The first sentence of this AP report is very misleading. The more
accurate statement would be following:"The Supreme Court on Monday
struck down much of the controversial Arizona immigration law, but upheld for
now a key provision that required police officers to check the immigration
status of those they suspect may be in the country illegally."
Its a good start!You have to remember: the information is being
"reported" by the lamestream press who think providing freebies and
amnesty to any and all who manage to arrive here, is PEACHY KEEN!Rest assured, the amnesty advocates are disappointed!
Interesting that even the liberals upheld the portion (cops CAN ask for
identity) all our usual lefty posters said was racist. I am waiting for our
usual leftist friends to now call the liberals on the court racist.Terrie Bittner,If they are driving, which is when most of the stops
occur, they HAVE to carry papers (driver’s license).
I thought I was required to carry ID since I was sixteen, when driving. Thus
also proving my citizenship, which has been asked for, when ever I have been
pulled over for any minor infraction, like a burned out headlight. So I now
learn I do not have to carry any identification or it is a police state
Lost in DC--you carry a driver's license to prove you have a right to
drive, not to prove you are a citizen.Your passenger doesn't need ID.
Terrie,you are correct that the passenger does not need to carry a DL, but
it is rarely because of the passenger's actions that a car is pulled over
m butlerhaving lived in NYC i know something about living in a police
state. good luck with your no salt, >16 oz drinks, no guns etc etc. your
comments prove that those living in a police state loose a sense of reality.
Terrie,The DL is used for much more than proof of a right to drive. If
you hand your DL to the police, they will match you against their databases,
looking for previous activity as well as warrants that may not even be related
to driving. Why should illegals be exempt of such database scans?
It is a wrong assumption to think that a passenger in an auto does not need ID.
Police will require ID of passengers if they appear to be underage in a curfew
check. I have had my ID requested as a passenger in a car. What were they
thinking. If a car smells of marijuana they will take the ids of the
passengers. A drivers license is more than a privileage to drive card. It is
an ID used at voting polls. It is a proof of citizenship and residence.
Funny headline. Real story is the judges were unanimous that law enforcement can
as for identity. Big win, untouchable. Enforce it with law breakers. If the feds
would enforce current laws, this is a non-issue. No DREAM for
citizenship, let them DREAM for a green card. Citizenship needs to be earned,
not given out like candy.
Understandably, the law of the land is the law of the land. It is
regrettable that politicians, namely Brewer will use a political football for
self-gain, not because she cares what would stand up in court. She has taken
this issue for Tea Party voters who look not at the legal, economic, and social
implications, but rather, get caught up in the moment of scape-goat politics.
People who dream, who contribute to society, who make up the social
fabric of America should by right eventually earn a place alongside others.
America has ALWAYS been the land of the immigrants, except for those whose land
was taken away and treaties with the same government who take them were
broken---every single treaty, at that.Let the dream continue.
Careful now. The Supreme Court is provoking Obama.
3grandslams said: DREAM for citizenship, let them DREAM for a green card.
Citizenship needs to be earned, not given out like candy.So how did
you earn yours, inherited, like a right, that you earned thru no work of your
own.I see what you mean.
So, how will this ruling be used in other areas. The court has essentially
created a wall between LEAs and federal agencies.Will it be a case to
strike down local police involvement in a bank robbery? or a kidnapping? or a
RICO investigation? or a civil rights violation? perhaps a Special Ed case?
or Title IX?Although most states have their own ordinances and enforcement
governing these matters, can they use this ruling to undo the local effort?Once the feds take ownership of all enforcement, the principle can and will be
applied where it was not intended.
I earned my citizenship by having relatives that came here the honest way. Dream
about making things right for your children and follow our laws. Scola pwned Obama in his 22-page dissent.
Perhaps one should read the full account of the S.C. decision."Arizona
bears the brunt of the illegal immigration problem...Federal officials have been
unable to remedy the problem...and are unwilling to do so."Rather a
When an LEO detains/arrests someone, there are certain obvious questions that
are asked: what is your name?; what is your date of birth?; what is your place
of birth? The LEO is trying to properly ID the person just in case he or she is
wanted for a crime somewhere else. If the person says "I was born in (fill
in the blank)" which happens to be somewhere other than the US, there is a
pretty good chance the person is a foreign national. Next obvious question:
What is you immigration status? Most states have long-standing agreements with
the Feds to report foreign nationals they have in custody for other crimes so
all of this borders a big fat waste of time and money. President
Whoever needs to commit to enforcing US laws no matter what they cover.
The US Supreme Court just committed a major boo-boo. The US
Constitution assigns immigration policy to the Federal government. But it is
silent on who is responsible for immigration enforcement. That task is not
assigned to anybody. Immigration policy is on the federal books... laws passed
by the US Congress. All that Arizona (and other states) was trying to do is
enforce federal immigration policy on the books. Seems like a natural teamwork
arrangement of federal/state governments managing immigration. For one thing,
the fed doesn't have the manpower to enforce immigration law effectively.
States do.This action by the Supreme court means the borders will
now be open with hordes from the south pouring in. And they don't
necessarily cross the border on foot. Fully 60% of illegals fly in, and
overstay their visas.The Supreme Court and the federal government
have gone amok. They all need to be kicked out and replaced.
This issue concerning possible racial profiling by Arizona law enforcement as
arrests and stops are made... is easily resolved. Police check EVERYONE'S
immigration status regardless of the hair and skin color, whether they can speak
English, etc., etc. Problem solved.If it turns out detainees
can't prove citizenship, hand-cuff them, run them over to the ICE office,
and drop them off on their front porch.And, for those who are
stopped while driving and can't prove citizenship, pull their driver's
license so they can't drive in Arizona until the citizenship issue is
Secure our border to keep the crazy right wingers form Arizona coming here.
This nation is being downgraded to the kind of country these illegals came from.
After a length of time, war (revolution) begins and freedom triumphs. Than the
cycle starts again.We just can't hold freedom and greatness for
very long. I don't get it.
Good-bye, America. We can now expect hordes of illegals crossing our southern
border, which is as porous as a sieve despite the billions that are spend trying
to secure it.The only way we can save this nation from becoming a
third world county is to go to the polls and vote the buffoon out. We want
immigration laws enforced. To not enforce them is to have no immigration laws at