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BYU football: Cougars court Seattle-area quarterback Billy Green (+video)

Washington, Wash. St., Utah, Arizona, Oregon St. have also shown interest

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  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 21, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    He had better come not only with a lot of strong skills but also stubborn confidence. Doman and co. have taken a lot of talent and flushed it down the drain. How many HS superstars have we seen now that have come and left early at BYU??

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 21, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    No point bringing him in if he can't field punts. Talent at quarterback means nothing, it is how much the head coach likes you. The best thing for this guy would be to go directly to Kansas to shortcut the whole process.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    June 21, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    If this kid is smart, he should have a long talk with Jake Heaps about Coach Doman's coaching abilities. It may be the most important talk he'll have at this point in his life.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 21, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    It would be great to see another non-LDS QB commit to BYU. There are not many schools in the country and there is certainly no other school in the state that compares to BYU in developing QB talent. Not sure where he would fit in with the Cougars so deep at QB for the next few years but you never know where the next great one will come from.

    east coast
    Grow up. Heaps flushed himself down the toilet at BYU with his me first attitude and his over-inflated ego. He had his chance on the field and came up wanting...numerous times. He was neither well-liked nor respected as a leader by his team mates. Hopefully he learned some things at BYU that will help him at Kansas. I wish him the best.

    "How many HS superstars have we seen leave BYU early". Probably less than the average D1 program. What statistics do you have to offer that would support your opinion?

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    June 21, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    Well, all I can say is if Cougar nation would learn not to grant Godship and overhype this kid, he might just be something extraordinary.

    I hope that smell in the air isn't another Jake Hypes. Even as a U fan. The Cougies need somebody with a accuracy, leadership, no-prettyboy-ness, and sheer confidence, will power, and determination.

    Jake Hypes was none of the above.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 21, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    The hill trolls are just jealous that BYU doesn't have to settle for DII QBs like they do up on the hill.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 21, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Actually I think GoGetter is spot-on. I also agree with TJ. As a BYU fan, I know Heaps was over hyped. He was a great practice football player, but not so much on the field of battle. He had a sense of entitlement which admittedly Bronco hates. Apparently he has great skills, but I never really saw it. But I did see that he definitely lacked in the leadership dept. Nelson may not be all that great in skills, bet he'll win more games for you than Heaps would. Let's hope that this kid is the real deal.

    @ Wayne Rout
    "Talent at quarterback means nothing, . . ."

    I would add,

    unless you have toughness and leadership to complement that talent.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 21, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    @eastcoastcoug
    "How many HS superstars have we seen now that have come and left early at BYU??"

    Instead of posing a question, can you do us the favor of providing an answer. If I wanted to take a quiz, I'd go back to high school. And when you post how many superstars have come and left early, can you also post the number for the other Utah schools. Maybe you could even include the number for the Utah basketball team.

  • Cougs Guy Sandy, UT
    June 21, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    uteBusters,

    You know, I don't think most Utes are jealous right now... they beat us 54-10 with their "D2 QB's" compared to our top 10 QB recruit in the country. It's a team game. Give credit where credit is due.

    Go Cougars!

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    June 21, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    As a true-blue fan, I'm only mildly interested in this kid at this point, after watching his highlight video. He's telegraphing most of his throws and you gotta give major props to his O-line, as he hardly ever seemed to face much pressure (in the videos).

    As for Heaps, those who think he didn't have a fair shake at BYU are totally off-kilter. BYU designed its playbook for him and he just didn't deliver. What's more, he had no fire. BYU totally changed their playbook when they changed qbs, so it's disingenuous to say Doman didn't plan for him.

    As far as fellow Y-fans dissing the Ute qbs, give it a rest. Last year they had a bad qb situation and they still did well. They also did really well with BJ, who wasn't a particularly great qb, so I think they're able to handle themselves ok. This year, they've got a couple of great prospects and the local recruit (Chase Hansen) BYU totally missed out on by offering him at LB. We'd be lucky to have him.

  • Voice Saint George, UT
    June 21, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    Another quarterback? I'm scratching my head on this one. It seems BYU these days thinks of quarterbacks, quarterbacks. What happened to the importance of having a strong balanced team?

    Hopefully this young man and his family will look carefully at the rest of the roster at each school. Where can this young man play on a TEAM that will support and protect him? Who has receivers and running backs to balance the offense?

    BYU might want to ask these questions of their program. To me they seem kinda too focused on QBs.

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    I agree with staypuffinpc, Utah has done well considering they've suffered terribly at qb. Jake was arrogant and entitled. I hope he's mature enough to realize that. I know a few players on the team, and they won't talk bad about Jake. But they talk a lot about how good of a leader Riley is. That's never really mentioned with Jake. I don't know that it's his fault either. He was young and no doubt had all these expectations of himself that didn't happen. I hope he does and think he will succeed at Kansas. I also don't think Jake struggling was much of Doman's fault. Doman isn't the guy overthrowing 90% of his receivers, but the coach did need a few games to get into a rhythm with play calling, which is the only part where Doman could have hung Jake up. I also hope Jake realizes that he does far better in a spread then in a pro style...comparing 2010 to 2011. As for Billy, it sounds like he wants to stay close to home, but that's just gathered from his words in the article.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    The coaches told him he could PLAY for the Y for 4 - 5 years. I take that to mean red shirt then play 4 or step right in after Riley and save the red shirt if needed?
    My point is, what does that say about Tanner Mangum when he returns off his mission or the other 4 or 5 qb's on the roster?
    1 of 2 things may be taking place, Gurney may be trying to over hype a recruit (I know that is shocking) or Doman is making promises he shouldn't be.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 21, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    @Voice

    They should be getting a top qb prospect every single year in every single recruiting class. That is how you assure yourself of having a quality qb all of the time. That basicly gives a team 4-5 qb's on its roster, pretty simple math to figure out.

    But more puzzling is why wouldn't you want them to focus on getting top qb's? It is the most important position on a football team.

    BYU signs multiple kids at every other position every single year. They sign multiple dlinemen, multiple linebackers, multiple defensive backs. multiple wr's, multiple rb's, multiple offensive linemen, multiple TE's, every single year. They usually sign 1 qb. How is that out of balance or bad?

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    June 21, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    utebuster, get real. The first three posts that you suppose came from the hill are from BYU fans. I almost typed "avid" BYU fans, but I always try to be truthful. I think our friend from El Paso would throw a tantrum even if a future BYU QB wins a Heisman and Dave O'Brien award. I don't need to repeat what has been said about Doman not overthrowing receivers and making poor decisions, but I'm sure future big-name recruits will be instructed not to hold press conferences before they suit up.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 21, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    It wouldn't be a bad thing for him to come to BYU. Hopefully if he does, he sees it as a privilege. BYU needs another QB on the roster with Lark and Nelson leaving next year, even if it is just as a backup. The new "quarterback U's" (USC, Oklahoma, etc) have many QBs on the roster. If BYU wants to go back to being "QB U" they would be smart to do the same.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 21, 2012 8:24 p.m.

    @ Cougar Claws,

    BYU hasn't produced a legit NFL QB since Steve Young. That was 30 years ago.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 21, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    "BYU hasn't produced a legit NFL QB since Steve Young."

    says the emotional, frantic, jealous and bitter has been golfer.

    Legit? Having trouble with reality I see.

    QB envy has ALWAYS been a Ute fan characteristic.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 21, 2012 11:16 p.m.

    Re: Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Utah has NEVER produced a legit NFL QB. What is your point?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 21, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    Utah Hawaii

    Since then, the university produced a Heisman and a national champion. That's what universities aspire to. There are "legit NFL quarterbacks" whose universities did well, and some did not. I am interested in what my quarterback did for my university. I really did not follow the NFL careers of Steve Young or Jim McMahon.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 22, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    So . . . the news story here is that BYU is recruiting a high school player? Wow. Glad Brandon Gurney is on top of things.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    BYU fans should relish in their weakening mid-major football program before it comes to an end.......tick tock, tick tock.......?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 22, 2012 7:31 a.m.

    Monk

    I not only don't follow the NFL careers of former players, I don't follow the recruiting news from up on the hill. But I do follow the High School players that BYU recruits. I think Brandon writes, and the DN publishes, these stories for readers like me. It may be that you are in the wrong section of the news.

    The related link must have impressed you too. Another high school quarterback. With a brother on the team. Planning on a mission. Now you don't have to read the link.

    Or make a comment.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    @ Y Dad,

    While I like you as a person and enjoy your banter, some fans, including myself, enjoy following players in college and the pros. Different strokes for different folks. Cheers!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 22, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    @Cougar Claws

    His point is that despite being "QB U", BYU hasn't produced a decent quarterback since Steve Young. If you're going to call yourself "QB U", you should probably turn out a good QB more than once every 30 years.

    The U has had its share of QB troubles, but we don't go around calling ourselves "QB U" either.

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 22, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    u-h alum

    Ty Detmer had a 14-year NFL career, I'd say that makes him a legit NFL QB.

    More importantly, for jealous Utah fans to consider, is he was a Heisman Trophy winner and has now joined FIVE other BYU QBs in the National College Football Hall of Fame!

    Robbie Bosco won a National Championship.

    Steve Sarkisian won a National College Quarterback of the Year Award.

    BYU players have won 15 National Individual Player Awards.

    Utah players have NEVER won a single National Individual Player Award.

    Great programs produce great, nationally recognized players.

    Call us when Utah produces its first.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin.

    I vehemently agree with you. Utah has produced two legit NFL starting QBs since Steve Young......Scott Mitchell and Alex Smith. Ty Detmer, the Heisman winner, wore a headset and held a clipboard in the NFL. Max Hall is probably the worst QB to ever take a snap in the NFL and John Beck is a NFL bust at best. Heck, Ty's brother Coy was a better NFL QB as a matter of fact. Ute Brian Johnson took Utah to an undefeated season, demolished Alabama and won the Sugar Bowl MVP award, although he wasn't NFL material.......like ALL the QBs since Steve Young. Y fans are looking for any "scrap' to try to appear relevant in the BCS era.........and it is falling upon deaf ears, obviously.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    June 22, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Washington QB?

    Jake Heaps = 5 Stars
    Alex Smith = 1 Star

    What else do you want to know?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 22, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    @B C

    "Great programs produce great, nationally recognized players."

    Correction: Great programs produce great, nationally recognized WINS...something BYU hasn't done in a very, very long time.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 22, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    "I vehemently agree with you. Utah has produced two legit NFL starting QBs since Steve Young......Scott Mitchell and Alex Smith."

    lol

    How many NFL and/or Super Bowl MVP awards did Mitchell and Smith win?

    In fact, cite me ONE significant NFL achievement by either of them.

    More important, however, did either one of them win any national individual quarterback awards in college, which for BYU and Utah fans, is far more important than any accomplishments achieved post college.

    As far as BCS-era relevance, BYU finished in the Top 25, again, in their first year as an independent; Utah was UNRANKED in their first year as a "BcS" team.

    Comparing seasons,

    BYU had a one-game meltdown and ended the season with only three losses to teams with a combined 27-12(69%) record.

    Utah had a season-long meltdown and ended the season with five losses to teams with a combined record of 33-33(50%) record

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Does any BYU fan remember Steve Young's first two years in the NFL? He was deemed a bust and let go by the TB Bucs. He rode the pine under Joe Montana for a few years, then took over a 49er team team that was arguably one of the top 2 teams in the history of the NFL, along with the 1970s-80s Pittsburgh Steelers. And, had the greatest receiver of all time on that team.......Jerry Rice. I like Steve Young, but he inherited a MONSTER NFL team, the lucky devil.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    @ phoenix,

    I am not sure, but I think that BYU has never finished in the top 25 in the final BCS computer rankings during the BCS era?????? Last year they were #35 and Utah #39. bottom line is........BYU has never sniffed a BCS bowl, never considered for an elite BCS conference invite, has been creamed by Utah 3 times, lost 7/10 to the Utes and has the worst November schedule in college football history in 2012. Now, the Utes will beat the tar out of BYU again this year, then BYU loses 29 seniors and will be rebuilding with poor recruiting classes and losing dramatically in 2013-14.........just for starters. BYU football is struggling.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    June 22, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    Are we comparing again?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 22, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    u-h alum

    A little lesson:

    The final BCS rankings are NOT the final end of season rankings, in fact, Utah has never finished higher than 6th in final BCS rankings.

    And, yes, BYU has finished in the Top 25 of the final BCS rankings several times, and as recently as 2009, they were eligible to play in a BCS game, the just weren't chosen.

    btw, it's funny how Utah fans want it both ways... judge BYU QBs solely by their success in the NFL, but give Brian Johnson a pass for being a complete bust in the NFL, but claiming that he had a great college career.

    lol

    at the inconsistency.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    @ phoenix,

    Your struggles will ONLY get more unrealistic and complicated. Have fun bro!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    Utah finished #4 and #2 in the final BCS rankings in 04 and 08. BYU has done ZERO! Relish in that bro!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    Max Hall would have been killed if the Cards didn't waive him. He is the worst QB in the history of the NFL.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 22, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    @UHA "I am not sure, but I think that BYU has never finished in the top 25 in the final BCS computer rankings during the BCS era"

    Final Sagarin Rankings since 2005 (when Bronco and Kyle both took over--I'm using Sagarin because he factors in the BCS algorithm into his rankings and there is no final BCS standings after the bowl games and using Utah as a metric):

    -2005-
    BYU: 55
    Utah: 51

    -2006-
    BYU: 13
    Utah: 46

    -2007-
    BYU: 17
    Utah: 34

    -2008-
    BYU: 32
    Utah: 5

    -2009-
    BYU: 15
    Utah: 24

    -2010-
    BYU: 45
    Utah: 26

    -2011-
    BYU: 34
    Utah: 39

    Average final ranking over the last 7 years:
    BYU: 30
    Utah: 32

    So to answer your query, BYU finished in the Top 25 3 times since Bronco took over and was eligible for a BCS bowl in 2009 (ranked #14 in the BCS standings-unfortunately for the Cougs, both TCU and BSU were undefeated that year and ranked ahead of the boys in blue).

    As for NFL QB's, BYU has had 5 QB's drafted or signed on into the NFL since Steve Young. U have had 2.

    Go Cougars!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    @ truecoug1,

    Sorry sir, but your stats are not BCS computer rankings. Hold on to BYU football until it is cancelled as a program. Enjoy!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Gosh, being a Ute fan in the 21st century is great. Last year, a plethora of BYU hopefuls made fun of Wazzu. Well, Wazzu will torch BYU easily. BYU has zero secondary and no offense. I can't wait to watch that late-night game..........If I, and the rest of the nation, can stay awake? That remains to be seen and evaluated?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 22, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    @u-h

    "Utah finished #4 and #2 in the final BCS rankings in 04 and 08."

    You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    Here are the facts:

    2004 Utah finished #4 AP, #5 Coaches, #6 BCS

    2008 Utah finished #2 AP, #4 Coaches, #6 BCS

    If the BCS had existed in 1983, 1984 and 1996, with the exact same criteria as existed in 2004, BYU would have EASILY qualified for a BCS game all three years.

    During Bronco/Kyle era - Final BCS Rankings

    2006 BYU #20, Utah UNRANKED
    2007 BYU #17, Utah UNRANKED
    2008 BYU #16, Utah #6
    2009 BYU #14, Utah UNRANKED
    2010 BYU unranked, Utah #19
    2011 BYU unranked, Utah UNRANKED

    Total Top 25 Final BCS Rankings
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    It's laughable that Utah fans always cite Utah's 2004/2008 AP poll finishes, when the official BCS Championship poll is the Final Coaches poll, which has never ranked the Utes higher than #4.

    The AP poll is conducted in exactly the same way today as it was in 1936. Interesting, since Utah fans whine so much about the 1984 poll, but have NO PROBLEM with 2004/2008.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    Norm Chow was the one who developed QB's at BYU. Since then BYU has dropped off.

    He is well known for developing quarterbacks such as McMahon, Young, Detmer, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart. Heck, Norm Chow took a D2 QB and turned him into a 6-3 PAC-12 QB.

    What has BYU developed/accomplished since Norm Chow?

    Beck - "Harline is still open" to NFL 3rd/4th string
    Max - "George is still open" to NFL bust
    Heaps - "NC claims at Iggys" to Kansas

  • CG Orem, UT
    June 22, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    U-H alum

    Utah has NEVER finished higher than #6 in the final BCS polls. The final BCS rankings come out BEFORE the bowls.

    The #2/#4 finishes you're citing are Utah's AP poll finishes, which, ironically is SELECTED in EXACTLY the same way as it was in 1984 and 1996, when BYU finished #1 and #5.

    In the Coaches poll, the poll that the BCS recognizes as their official national championship poll, Utah finished #4/#5 in 2004/2008.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 22, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    earth to Uteology

    Chow only lasted one year at Utah before leaving for greener pastures. His 6-3 PAC 12 wunderkind didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record, and LOST to two teams with LOSING records, including to Colorado(3-10), one of the worst teams in the entire country.

    Doman is just getting started, but he's already 2 of 2 in starting QBs being drafted into the NFL.

    btw, who's the biggest BUST?

    John Beck and Max Hall, who both made NFL rosters and actually played in the NFL

    or

    Brian Johnson, who didn't even make an NFL roster.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 22, 2012 6:55 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii

    I don't know where you get your information from, but you need to find a more accurate source.

    Bronco has finished in the BCS Top 25 four times in the last seven years - 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

    Utah has only managed that feat twice in the last seven years - 2008 and 2010.

    BYU may not have cracked the "BCS code" during it's brief, and soon to be forgotten, life, but BYU has finished more consistently in the Top 25.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2012 7:32 p.m.

    Unfortunately, our little friends on the hill need a little lesson on the true order of college football quarterback accomplishments:

    1a - National Championship - the epitome of major college football team achievement
    1b - Heisman Trophy - the epitome of major college football individual achievement
    2 - National College Football Hall of Fame
    3 - National Individual Award - Davey O'Brien (best QB); Sammy Bauch (best passer)
    4 - Concensus First Team All-American
    5 - First Team All-American
    6 - National Championship Game MVP
    7 - Major Bowl Game MVP
    8 - Bowl Game MVP

    Not Applicable - Professional Career - it's nice that some players get to play professionally, but an NFL or CFL career neither enhances nor diminishes a player's collegiate achievements

    BYU QBs have accomplished 1a, 1b, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8
    Utah QBs have accomplished 7 and 8

    Call us when a Utah QB breaks into the Top 5.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Sorry sir, but your stats are not BCS computer rankings."

    Sorry, but yours weren't either, so how would you know???

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    @Ute Envious

    Why do you continue to bring up what Norm Chow's QB's accomplished? A false reality Billy Green will see and then end up in Kansas.



    @TrueBlue:

    Yet Hays played a tougher schedule compared to Riley (SOS Utah #49 vs BYU #90). Go figure.

    To answer your question: "who's the biggest BUST?"

    First and foremost, 12-0 and 13-0 seasons... Harlene and George seasons pale in comparison.

    Smith lead the first BCS busting team, Heisman finalist, #1 draft pick, lead team to NFC championship game.

    vs.

    Beck 3rd string NFL QB on a good day


    BJ - Coaching a PAC-12 team

    vs.

    Max Hall - Played 6 NFL games (1 TD, 6 INTs, QB Rating of 35.7) ...waived/injured on August 24, 2011, and was reverted to injured reserve after passing through waivers unclaimed on August 25.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    Uteapologist

    Brian Johnson is by far the biggest NFL bust - didn't even make an NFL roster.

    Alex Smith is one of the biggest #1-draft pick busts in the history of the NFL.

    And nobody at the U had anything to do with coaching their QB development.

    Brian Johnson's big success as a QB coach is Jordan Wynn, an injury-plagued QB with a career passing efficiency rating of less than 134 - embarrassing.

    Hays may have had a SLIGHTLY more difficult schedule than Riley, but he didn't beat a single conference foe with a winning record, and he lost to one of the worst teams in the country on his home turf.

    Career QB Ratings
    Riley Nelson - 146.56
    Jon Hays - 124.4

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 22, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    So easy to spot a Ute fan, always, always envious of BYU QBs... past, present and future.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 22, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    Uteology

    If Smith and Johnson were such "great" college QBs, why weren't either of them at least First Team All-American, let alone Sammy Baugh or Davey O'Brien award winners?

    *crickets*

    Obviously, the national college football world didn't think nearly as much of Utah's quarterbacks as the kids on the hill.

    The simple truth is, they were both just decent quarterbacks on a couple of pretty good teams that were known far more for their defenses, than their offenses.

    The desperate 49ers took a flyer on Alex as the #1 overall draft pick; a gamble that obviously fell well short of what is expected of a #1 draft pick.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 6:40 a.m.

    @ Sammyg,

    It is easy to spot BYU fans.......they are always headed to the parking lot midway through the 3rd quarter when playing good teams at LES..........ie FSU, TCU and Utah. The dazed looks on their faces are "priceless!"

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    @UteWannaBe

    "Alex Smith is one of the biggest #1-draft pick busts in the history of the NFL."

    Yes are right and that's why Miami and my 9ers offered Smith $25 million 3/4(??) year contract this off-season because he's considered such a bust. I guess you don't follow football, that's okay I won't hold that against you.

    BJ didn't make the NFL but Utah still has 2 QBs in the NFL, Smith and Ratliff... BYU has one. So again without Chow, BYU hasn't developed anyone.

    @Phoenix
    "If Smith and Johnson were such "great" college QBs, why weren't either of them at least First Team All-American, let alone Sammy Baugh or Davey O'Brien award winners?"

    Compared to Beck and Hall they are "great". Compared to McMahon and Young... they are not.

    What they did do is lead their teams to UNDEFEATED seasons. And unlike another QB in the state BJ beat 4 ranked teams in a single season. I don't think Detmer beat 4 ranked teams in his career.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    Uteology

    lol at your very selective, yet inconsistent criteria for judging BYU and Utah QBs.

    Johnson's 2008 team may have been undefeated, but that was in spite of Brian; if not for Utah's defense bailing him out at Michigan, at Air Force, at New Mexico, vs Oregon State, and versus TCU, the Utes never would have gotten to the Sugar Bowl.

    Smith has been in the NFL since 2005 and during that period, the 49ers have had ONE winning season and have won ONE post-season game. Compared to Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers, who was the 24th pick in the same 2005 draft, Alex is a complete bust. And, quite obviously, despite all of the chest-beating by the hill trolls, wasn't even close to being the best QB in the 2005 draft.

    btw, how many NFL QBs has Brian Johnson produced.

    *crickets*

    btw2, you dodged the question:

    "If Smith and Johnson were such "great" college QBs, why weren't either of them at least First Team All-American, let alone Sammy Baugh or Davey O'Brien award winners?"

    so I'll answer it for you:

    They weren't good enough.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    @Jealous of the U

    Smith was on a horrible team with bad coaching. Similar to what Steve Young went through before joining the 49ers dynasty:

    "The Buccaneers selected University of Miami quarterback Vinny Testaverde first overall in the 1987 NFL Draft because Young was deemed a bust, and he was traded to the San Francisco 49ers on April 24, 1987"

    Not my words, do some research.

    Yes, I agree the defense did save us. BUT I also recall BJ leading Utah to a winning drive against #7 TCU and he was also the MVP against #6 Bama. So in spite of your selective reasoning BOTH have done more at the college level than ANY BYU QB since 1996 (aka Chow era).

    Yes they were not good enough for the awards but Smith and BJ were good enough to whoop your team to a pulp on their way to making history.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:53 p.m.

    Uteology

    Brian had a couple of good games against good teams, but his overall passing efficiency was pitiful - 124.4, 151.0, 129.6, and 149.4 (during Utah's Sugar Bowl year), hardly the kinds of numbers that would rank him anywhere near the top of college football quarterback rankings.

    Brian was also a contributor in that embarrassing 0-27 shutout at 2-10 UNLV.

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    It remains to be seen whether Alex ever accomplishes anything of significance in the NLF - so far all we have are un-met expectations.

    Obviously, neither of them were good enough to be considered the best quarterback in the country.

    BYU has at least a half dozen quarterbacks that finished higher in the Heisman Trophy voting than Alex.

  • ummmm utah, UT
    June 25, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    There is a kid just 30 miles away in Heber City that has an arm and body ready to play. The Washington kid looks a little small? No doubt he has some talent, however, the Wasatch kid is a man child compared to him. I hope Doman knows what he is doing??????????

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    @Jealous

    "BYU has at least a half dozen quarterbacks that finished higher in the Heisman Trophy voting than Alex."

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    Yes but again how is that going to help Billy Green next year since Norm Chow is now coaching at Hawaii?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 25, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    Uteology

    Norm Chow is long past his prime, but he jumped at the first opportunity to desert his alma mater after seeing first hand the mess that Kyle gave him to work with at Utah.

    Brandon Doman is just getting started, but he's already placed two quarterbacks on NFL rosters, and has seen them actually play in the NFL. Doman himself, at least made an NFL roster, before injuries short-circuited his chances to play in the NFL.

    Brian Johnson didn't even make an NFL roster and his one claim to fame as a coach is an injury-plagued starter who hasn't played a full season during his entire college career and has even less of a chance of making an NFL roster than his coach.

    At least BYU has a history of producing great quarterbacks. What has Utah got?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 26, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    Since when has BYU been a factor on the national stage? They have done ZERO during the BCS era, period. What, the 1984 shampionship? I think BYU fans are gonna be upset in a few years, if not already? Their schedules are tragic for an ardent BYU fan. The LDS Church will not take this much longer. I think BYU football will be curtailed within 5 years.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 26, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    Oh my goodness........Wazzu is gonna torch BYU. They have many great athletes. BYU has Kyle Van Noy is all. BYU has ZERO game film for the Leach offense. A loooooong day for BYU for sure.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Jealous U
    Brian had a couple of good games against good teams, but his overall passing efficiency was pitiful.

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    And you call me out for selecting reasoning?

    2008 Final Stats:

    #13 Max Hall 156.9
    #15 Matthew Stafford 153.5 (Yes, the NFL starter for Detroit Lions)
    #16 Brian Johnson 149.4

    Source: ESPN

    The difference 13-0.