The Des News has got to be kidding. If your view is correct, why the proposed
increase in license fees to fund additional DUI enforcement? Your opinion
doesn't match the facts in this instance. A little critical thinking might
justify the proposition (maybe not, too) but to say it won't impact public
safety is wishful thinking indeed.
I have no trouble finding a resturant when I want to go out to eat. Why is it a
problem that some resturants don't want to move here? .. It isn't.If more resturant licences are allowed, the law ought to provide an
automatic mechanism that if accidents (people being maimed and killed) increase
as a result, that the additional licences disapear.I ask all
legislators not to vote yes on the licences unless such a provision is included.
Going out to dinner, how often do you see a slobbering drunk person ordering
more and more from the restaurant? Well I've not ever seen that. Are
restaurants that server booze/beer/wine responsible for DUIs? If so what
percentage?I've noticed several new restaurants open that
can't get a liquor license. If I want a beer with dinner then I'm not
going to go there (already happened a few times). The fact is people
safely enjoy drinks with dinner and have been since drinks have been around.
Folks such as cbj and toosmartforyou feel as though new businesses should be
ham-stringed right from the get go, and the restaurant is responsible for
personal behavior. True republicans would grant the businesses
what they need to get started. Smaller less intrusive government is what we
need. Not more regulations.Utah does a decent job, but is a bit
overzealous at times. Give these businesses what they need.
@ MidvalieanYes, the reataurant is responsible for personal behavior
if they let patrons get plastered and then drive. I have been a "designated
driver" and I can tell you that some very professional men drank while
eating dinner, only to turn into obnoxious, rude and crude persons that could
hardly walk. And it was at a very classy restaurant when no one seemed to care
that anyone would be driving the group home; they wanted the booze, they got it.
And it was embarrassing to see grown men insult strangers, particularly women,
who would never say such things when sober. I worked for a convenience store in
Midvale that sold to minors that did some crime after drinking the stuff and the
guy on duty when it happened lost his job. Just admit that there are some who
will be a problem to society. Otherwise, why the increased fees for DUI
enforcement?Some restaurants want this: I want cheaper gas prices,
too; can I get my way with the legislature? More persons buy gas than drink
It is interesting to watch state Republicans wrestle with the issue. It pits
the image they project morally (drinking is a sin) against the image they
project politically (we're pro-business). Will they choose the economic
boost or the job killing liquor restrictions?
@ ModerateGood question, but one with an easy answer: Follow the
money. That's what drives politics whether or not you're talking
national, state, county or city. If anything conflicts with it, money
As a moderate drinker who has many drinker family and friends (and not a single
DUI or alcohol-related offense in the bunch) I can attest that people don't
go to restaurants to get toasted. I'm not saying it does not happen (as
others have noted) but I cannot recall seeing any out of control drunks at the
restaurants I attend. It's just not an environment conducive to excessive
drinking - and any drinker will tell you that.People at restaurants simply
want a drink or two to add to the experience of their meal. And, lest we
forget, servers don't serve drunks in Utah. They're trained to cut
them off and recommend safe transportation home. That won't change. All
servers know they can be sued under the Dram Shop laws and be held personally
liable for the actions of a drunk they served.
I once saw a tee shirt that read...Instant Jackass just add alcohol. I am
still coming to grips to the fact that you can buy alcohol from a gas station
when it is illegal to drink and drive under the influence. I wonder how safety
is measured. How many alcohol excuses have been given for violence or DV.
Sorry Honey it was the alcohol that made me do it. Yep just how do you measure
safety. Just because no one is going to get hurt does not mean that it is safe.
What about the kids that witness physical harm or emotional harm as a result of
toosmartforyou says "Follow the money".Yes, quite ironic that the
legislature is called into special session to discuss two issues:- big
revenue shortfall in education funding- potential revenue increase with
liquor license and alcohol sales.Seems like a natural pair.Or Utah could follow the lead of other states and raise education money with a
chance on five numbers and a powerball...
There is more alcohol available now than ever before. Yet DUIs are down. This
is telling. I dont' think dinner and a beer is what is causing a DUI.
After 11pm is when you need to be checking the bar scene.
If restaurants decided that "belly dancing" would bring in the crowds,
which side would the Deseret News take? How about adding a few
"massage" tables in some quiet back rooms to "sooth" the tired
businessman after a hard day of eating and drinking? What would the Deseret
News have to say about that?When does an "evil" cease to be
an "evil"? Is it when a few dollars can be earned - at the expense of
the public who has to clean up after the carnage of even more drunk drivers?"You can buy anything . . . " An apt phrase, if there ever was
one and now we know which side the Deseret News is aligned with.
When people drink there will be DUI's and where there are DUI's people
of all ages innocents will die. More liquor available equals more drinking.
Remind me not to vote for Mr. Valentine.
Hey, I like mike's idea of belly dancing. And beer. Way to go, Mike!
I didn't know belly dancing and massages were evil. Hmmm... I guess I am
We've got a State to the West of us that has all the liquor anybody could
drink. They have all the dancing women that anybody would care to see. They
have everything else that some people travel half-way around the world to
experience. How's their economy?It's so far
in the tank that nobody would lend you a wooden nickle to start a business
there. Is that what we want? Hasn't Nevada shown us that
liquor, girls, prostitution and gambling have nearly destroyed that State?Sure, some greedy businessmen are too lazy to spend the time to cook a
good meal, so they want to mask their shoddy food with liquor and then charge
more for lessor quality. What a deal!What we prize the most cannot
be experienced when those who visit here are drinking. No wonder some people
want to get the liquor flowing. When people spend time in the Temple and
visiting Church sites, they're not going to be buying liquor.I
simply cannot believe that the Governor and the Deseret News thinks so much of
Nevada and so little of Utah that they try to emulate Nevada.
The "Almighty Dollar" wins again.Never mind that many citizens
including myself (avid drinker 0 DUI's) have been asking for a change, but
when some national chain wishes upon our legislators (check in hand), hey
it's good for Utah.Total Hypocrisy again.
@Happy Valley Heretic"The "Almighty Dollar" wins
again.Never mind that many citizens including myself (avid drinker 0
DUI's) have been asking for a change, but when some national chain wishes
upon our legislators (check in hand), hey it's good for Utah."Duh. Same thing happens with all sorts of things in the state and in the
church. It's wrong, it's evil, it's this ... until it gets in
the way of making the money and keeping the members ... then it changes.
If over-consumption is an issue, then have alcohol providers breath test
consumers before selling them another. If underage drinking is an issue, then
have alcohol providers check ID before selling them alcohol. ID and breath
test, before purchase.