AWESOME. Glad I stayed-up late so the first comment on this article could be
from a BYU fans instead of all the usual-suspect Cougar-hating trolls (you guys
know who you are - you wear your DN reps like crowns).This report is
a breath of fresh air to most BYU fans who for years have lamented we had OL who
could bench-press a Mack truck but couldn't pull, slide or run effectively.
As always, the proof will be when the rubber hits the road August 30th against
WSU, but I'm cautiously optimistic.And I LOVE how Doman tells
it like it is and is so relaxed & open with the media. I think
Brandon's growth as OC in year two will be significant.
This all seems vaguely familiar... I think I've heard it before. Great
offensive line, Doman is a whiz, things will be better, and we have 29 seniors
from a team that was embarrassed by TCU, Utah, Mississippi... Our salvation
is that we have Riley. Even though he can't throw, he fields punts and we
just like having him around. I'm glad I'm not attending any games
this year. This 25 year season ticket holder is taking the year off. I saw
enough against Utah and TCU last year to waste time and money on the Cougars
this year. I know the school and media love Doman, but I’m not
convinced until I see all the hype show results on the field. I smell a losing
Waaa waaa waaa. Wayne is taking his ball and going home. The 25-year season
ticket holder points to one bad year in 2011 and decides it was just too much
to handle. A real fan will take the good with the bad and not crawl under a rock
when the going gets rough. The Heaps era took its toll on and off the field, but
the real fans will be back to support their team and their school. We love BYU,
we love BYU football come what may. Fair weather fans,...get a spine.
great, so the team is ready to go. how about you doman? how is your conditioning
coming along? lets hope better than last year
I like what I am hearing about the offensive line needing to be able to move
around better. If you are too big as Doman put it, that may not be the best
approach to the type of offense that they are going to be running.
Pretty much every year are offensive line has been awesome. We have higher
expectations than anyone else and the NFL players we put in the NFL proofs
it.Omer is probably the #1 strength coach in NCAA.
It amazes and astounds me just how many "great coaches" read Harmons
observations and reporting of those hired to win football games. From their
comments it is hard to comprehend why they haven't been coerced into
coaching college football and ridding the world of human beings trying their
best to improve on a pretty good season. How quickly we forget just how many
turnovers occurred against Utah and TCU making it impossible to gauge the
team's ability. And how ineffective the marvel from the northwest either
overshot, under threw of dropped the pigskin. Sure you can attribute those
miscues to coaching albeit unfairly.
Finally I'm not the only one who thinks our lineman are too fat!
Dear trustybob, little letters like you did with Doman. I guess your Bryan
Johnson will do absolutely fantastic his first year, even though he never made
it in the NFL, as Doman did. There is always that learning curve and Doman has
been through that, but you want us to throw him under the truck. Will you be
honest when Johnson struggles his first year also. I doubt it. You will come
on here and say it was his first year and he is learning. True negative comments
from a Utah fan. Wayne Rout I feel sorry for you. You show no
loyalty to BYU with your comments. I seriously doubt you flew up to Utah each
week and attended every home game for 25 years. That is pure braggadoccio on
your point trying to make everyone think you have been a loyal fan all these
years, but one year and you abandon ship. Keep your money and donate it to a
charity. But, please, whatever you do, do not under any circumstance turn on
BYUTV or ESPN. Just go play a round of golf and do not try to find out how BYU
Glad to hear that the 340 lb linemen will be losing 20-30 lbs. Fat guys are good
pass blockers but all that weight can slow them down a bit on the run plays.
With a solid running back group this year, the offense should be improved,
especially in the first few games.
Nice to hear more Lean and Quick players. What about our Center guy, the middle
guy? I sure hope they can hike easily this time around.It is nice to
hear some report but why don't we wait till fall workout reports. OKAY mr
Because I am slowly starving to death out here! Give me anything BYU football,
but please don't let me open up my computer to nothing new. It can lead to
reading articles on the Utah page...Wayne, this season is absolutley
going to kill you. The kid you say can't throw is going to lead the
cougars to 10+ wins and another top 25 ranking, and you won't have anything
good to say. At all. But it won't stop you from talking.Okay,
that was just prognosticating on my part, but hey, like the trolls say, I can
crown them national champs at this point, in my head. The real stuff can't
start soon enough.And linemen that can scramble with a quarterback
that scrambles? Why didn't I think of that?Go Cougs, and go
I love the haters! From Utah and BYU. May the rivalry never end! I expect big
things this season. Cant wait!
Riley proves that leadership matters - in sports just like it does in business.
I'm sure that Heaps has the physical abilities, talent and mechanics that
Nelson does not; but Nelson's leadership was the difference last year and
it will be an even bigger difference this year. I expect Nelson's passing
skills / mechanics to improve this year, but he will never be a John Elway. But
his will to win is contagious and gets every other player to play at a higher
level. This season will surprise a lot of fans with another 10+ win season and
a Top 25 ranking - led by a QB who lacks many skills, but does not lack heart!
Same old same old. Heard it all before, every year in camp we have to hear how
this is the deepest they have ever been at every position,running
back,receiver,quaterbacks,best defense on and on.Now its the best shape they
have ever been in.Whats next? This was the best sleepover ever on the football
field,this was the best waterpark vist ever.
I don't normally reply twice, but this is an exception...I did
not say I attend every game, just that I have season tickets. I don't
hide my name, if you want 4 good seats for this fall, I'm in the phone
book. I attended two games last year, Utah and TCU. I saw a team that was
not prepared, seems to have no strategy, and at least for the Utah game, they
just plain gave up. Each year we hear about how stong this team is going to be,
but the NFL draft seems to always show that it is just a dream. We can't
win with walk-ons. If you want to believe these stories about how great this
group will be then be my guest. I hope I am wrong. I do know that a team must
have leadership and that players have to be managed. You can't turn the
team over to 4 or 5 "leaders" to run the show. The coaches have to
lead and they can't allow the players to pick which quarterback they will
block for and which they will not.
"Brandon Doman believes BYU football is winning the offseason..." --
Dick "Homer" HarmonAnd thus continues the downward slippery
slope to irrelevance. Just 4-yrs ago, the "perfection questers" would
have ALREADY WON the preseason national championship. And now...all
they're doing is "winning the offseason". In a few short years,
they'll just be "showing up to play", then further downgraded to
"just happy to be here", before finally hitting rock bottom with
"secret negotiations with the Big Sky about membership" since
you'll no longer have the WAC to look to this time around. The WAC is
We heard these same things last year. How the team was so far ahead of schedule
and how Jake Heaps was such a sound quarterback. Then we struggle and instead of
the coaches looking within they point out individual players. I hope Doman can
bounce back from a horrible year( the numbers got better as teams got weaker).
As far as a new training program goes, about time! It doesn't
take much common sense to know OL and WR need different workouts, but until last
year they did the same thing. Ernest Bass Ohmer is the best strength coach in
the NCAA is laughable, he's leaps and bounds one of the worst. His old
school philosophy and training has resulted in multiple rotator cuff tears and
every athlete gets bulkier and slower. Look at Matt Reynolds, he leaves the
program, loses weight and cut 2 tenths off his forty from the combine to pro
day. Why?? Because he wasn't following BYU's training schedule.
I hope BYU does great this year, realistically I see 8-9 wins. Leadership in
word is great, but you have to be able to back it up with play.
@Naval Vet "And thus continues the downward slippery slope to
irrelevance."Huh, I thought irrelevance was having to get a TV
contract with KJZZ just to show your games because your own conference refuses
to, and having your football facilities being run out of a trailer park.My mistake.Go Cougars!
I'd love to see the lineman slim down! It's great to have also a
leader in the offseason. It's clear the team rallies around Nelson. I will
be watching to see how that translates into success in the fall. I'm putting a lot of trust into Alisa, Quezada, Apo, HOFFMAN, and Falsev
to move this team up and down the field. When I think of the linebackers,
it's hard not to start laughing, they are awesome.
truecoug1:Silly frantic and emotional little brother. Last
year's television contract was inked a decade before Utah was invited. We
were lucky to get even ONE nationally televised game on the Pac-12's old TV
deal since those games were ALREADY reserved for the all the OTHER teams
not-named Utah and Colorado.And STILL, I was able to watch 7 of our
12 games on TV back here in Philadelphia, with 2 ADDITIONAL games being
broadcast that I DIDN'T watch on TV because I was right there in the
stadium at Heinz Field [Pittsburgh] and the Sun Bowl [El Paso]. I
wlouldn't know anything about KJZZ broadcasts since we don't watch
those over here.Next year, our facilities will have been completed,
and we'll be moving out of that trailor park. On the OTHER hand, next
year, YOU'LL still be a weak-SOS mid-major that no other relevant
conference wants, and unlike your big brother, will have no access to the
proposed college Football Final Four. And THAT's what you Duckhunter,
sammyg, Bluto, et al. are so bitter about.Haha! Go
I remember last offseason when BYU fans were commenting on a daily basis about
Bronco's offseason regimen - eating more veggies and wearing Shape-Ups.
Now Harmon is bragging about Doman's offseason conditioning program. This
Big fat unathletic offensive linemen have been the bane of BYU Football since
the Roger French days. Making them slim down and get lighter on their feet and
more athletic is a good thing. Good for Doman.
NV - until you can beat Colorado late in the season, at home, I think your
beloved kewgars have a better chance of making the final four than U. Hard to
be one of the four best if you aren't even in the top 25. Rise
@NavalVet "We were lucky to get even ONE nationally televised game on the
Pac-12's old TV deal since those games were ALREADY reserved for the all
the OTHER teams not-named Utah and Colorado."Lol, really? Can
you explain, then, why the PAC 12 was able to air six of Colorado's games
on its networks, while they only squeezed Utah into four? Or why
Colorado's game vs USC was featured on ESPN while Utah's first ever
PAC 12 game against the Trojans was relegated to MWC Lite (Versus)?Face it, bro, your conference doesn't respect U, nor do they think
U're worth using up their TV times. A 3-10 Colorado team got more air time
from the PAC 12 than U! U got on ESPN2 because of your big brother in Provo and
BYU's RUGBY team had as many appearances on ESPNU as U did. U
got invited to the 'big boys' table, and then got stuck in the high
chair (or in this case, a trailer park, lol!). I'll take my independence
and ESPN over irrelevance and KJZZ any day.Go Cougars!
Holy cats it took a long time today before the first idiot chimed in about
winning the offseason.Wayne, the Miners need your support.
Naval Vet and other Utah fans....Please tell me what is so great
about Utah football?You keep telling BYU fans that BYU is
irrelevant. Irrelevant to whom? Please qualify...Your argument is
that BYU is irrelevant and by some strange voodoo Utah is?Please
tell me in what universe Utah is relevant?Take BYU out of the
equation....On what list is Utah more relevant than the other
schools now comprising the PAC 12?We were undefeated... so what? USC
has done that 16 times, Washington 12, so have five other teams in the PAC 12We won 2 BCS games.... So what? USC has 6We weren't
in a BCS conference... The rest of the BCS world says "So? What's
your point? You didn't go undefeated in a BCS conference. Nope! Who did
you play again?"Now take all that and go one step further, to
the rest of the nation... No one cares.Utah is
irrelevant... You weren't even in the top 25 last year.Everyone
has forgotten about u."BYU is still irrelevant..."Whatever helps you sleep at night.
This is going to be a great year for BYU. The line is in shape, and Doman is
calling the plays for a quarterback that plays his style. Riley Nelson is a
solid quarterback. He's not the best deep passer, but he can complete
enough to keep the defense honest. The Cougars will be able to have a strong
running game and dominate time of possession and wear the opponents out.I predict big things. This band of brothers is fully invested this
One a sidenote: Utah is in the process of signing a home and home with
Michigan. Both games will be opening week (thursday) on ESPN starting 2014-15
I agree with Provo4Life that BYU needs to get into the 21st century in their
training and conditioning philosophy. They seriously need a state of the art
conditioning program and maybe this is the beginning of change.In
the post season when all these graduating big guys got faster and trimmer with a
different trainer, it really begged the question, "Why couldn't these
guys do that when they were playing for BYU?"That should have been
real telling for Bronco. I think Ohmer should be fired.I am not as
optimistic as my fellow cougars about the upcoming season. We'll do OK but
I'd be surprised if it is 10 win. WSU will have us scouted and analyzed
inside and out and we'll have NOTHING on WSU with the new coach. We all
know that Leach can make offenses extremely explosive. Bronco has his work cut
out for him. Let's hope he is better prepared than he was with Utah last
@stufooNobody is more relevant than any of the other Pac-12 schools;
right now everybody in conference is 0-0. ESPN has been saying a lot about
Utah's match-up with USC though...Utah has more BCS bowl
victories than any other Pac-12 school, except USC.This season, Utah
will be competing for a Pac-12 championship, and a spot in the Rose Bowl (or
possibly a bid in the MNCG if everything goes perfect)BYU will be
playing for...exposure. You tell me who is irrelevant.
@naval vetutah didn't get paid for the previous pac10 tv
contract, colorado did though which kinda tells you where utah stands in that
conference, but they were still part of the pac12, played 9 pac12 games
actually, and any of them could have been chosen to be shown by the networks
that had that old deal. They simply chose not to show them because utah is not
any dort of a draw or a ratings boost. Just the way it is.LOL!
@two for flinchingutah will not be competing for a pac12
championship, a rose bowl berth, and certainly not a bid in the MNCG. Just being
in the conference doesn't mean they will compete. Don't be so
@truecoug1"I'll take my independence and ESPN over
irrelevance and KJZZ any day."Sounds like someone still
doesn't want to accept the reality of Utah's new situation going
forward. Last year was a tweener year ... this year is where things start to get
silly-awesome for the Utes.Enjoy your misguided perception of
BYU's new found "exposure" with little else to play for. You
definitely have us Ute fans feeling jealous of that situation. Ummm, yeah.
Y Grad / Y Dad:"Hard to be one of the four best if you
aren't even in the top 25."And it's just as hard to be
in the Final Four if you aren't even in the Top-10. How many Top-10
finishes have the Indy-WACers had during the BCS-era?Answer:
ZERO!ESPN published a "what if" scenerio as to who would be
in the Final Four had that system been implemented all along, and both the
'04 and '08 Utes would have been included under the "Conference
Champions Only" model.Fail on your part.
truecoug1:"Can you explain, then, why the PAC 12 was able to air
six of Colorado's games on its networks, while they only squeezed Utah into
four?"I think so. With the exception of the CU @ Utah game,
those other 5 CU and 3 UU games...were all vs. Pac-10 teams. Remember, that
television contract was a Pac-10 contract; not a Pac-12 one. Utah wasn't
the ONLY team who was lucky to get ONE game. CU was too. I'm sure the
Pac-12 was throwing the Utes and the Buffaloes a bone by giving us our season
finale, and helping with the build up of the rivalry, and it certainly
didn't hurt that at the time of that game, Utah was one win away from
representing the Pac-12 South in the CCG.
Two For FlinchingIf by "competing for a Pac-12
championship", you mean the same as every other team in the PAC-12, then
yes, I'll give you that. Gonna have to get by Colorado first though, if
you mean possibly winning the championship.So, just for
hypothetical, and yes we all know that if BYU loses one game it's the Mac
& Cheese Bowl for them, but let's suppose that Utah got a mulligan and
this time DID back into the PAC Championship, and, supposing because we know
that while Kyle can lose to real losers, he also can really play up for the big
games, supposing Utah beats Oregon, Stanford or USC and goes to the Rose Bowl as
an 8-3 or 7-4 team.And suppose, just for supposing, that BYU goes
undefeated. POSSIBLY BYU still gets mac & cheese, but possibly ends up in a
BCS bowl, whatever that now means.Who would be more relevant?
Duckhunter:"utah will not be competing for a pac12
championship..."Don't be too sure of that just yet.
According to Phile Steele's 2012 Preview magazine:"TY's [read "This year's"] Utah squad is even
stronger...With superior QB play and RB John White the Utes might just be an
upset away (USC Thur night at home on Oct 4th) from contending in the P12
South."Don't forget that with a D-II QB running the show,
we were 8-5. And THIS year we not only have Wynn back [with even MORE capable
backups than Hays], but also 4 MORE returning starters than we had LAST year.Check Lindy's, Athlon, the Sporting News...ALL publications have
the Utes competing for a Pac-12 South title. And if we are competing for a
Pac-12 South title, we are competing for a CCG. And if we're competing for
a CCG....we ARE competing for a conference title, AND, a Rose Bowl berth."LOL"
Every year byu gets all hyped up for their season and almost every year they
lose to UTAH...All i know is that in the last decade Utah has beat byu 7
out of 10 times and absolutely humiliated them last year! It's so good to
be a UTE!!
Y dad/gradAn at large BCS bid and earning a Pac-12 title w/ a bid in
the Rose bowl are both excellent accomplishments.Getting caught in
the semantics of who would be more "relevant" seems silly to me.
"Sounds like someone still doesn't want to accept the reality of
Utah's new situation going forward. Last year was a tweener year ... this
year is where things start to get silly-awesome for the Utes."motorbike,It's hypocritical that you use this excuse for
Utah, but not for BYU's new independence experience. Sounds like someone
still doesn't want to accept reality that BYU's situation will also
improve."ESPN published a "what if" scenerio as to who
would be in the Final Four had that system been implemented all along"Naval Vet,Aren't all you Utah fans the ones that hate
BYU fans for pulling "what-ifs"?
@naval vetObviously you want to ignore that fact that utah played 9
pac12 games and all of them were eligible to be shown but no one actually wanted
to show them.
Two For FlinchingIs that the only thing that seems silly to you?
@Two For FlinchingThen point that out to navel vet utah hawaii alum
all the other BYU bashers who very rarely can post without commenting on how
irrelevant BYU has become@Jenny83Yes last year was not
any fun for BYU fans but I remember when it was not any fun for Utah fans
either. As for Utah winning 7 of 10 before that Utah went 5 and 5 before that
and 1 and 9 before that and 1 and 9 before that 7 and 3 and before that 9 and 1
there you go 1952 till 2012 for a grand total record of 60 wins 60 lost it goes
in cycles and as for your win last year by 44 they also lost in the last 60
years by 48 one game and 50 in another
@NavalVet This is from an article in the SL Trib about last
year's situation with the PAC 10/12 TV contract: "ABC/ESPN, Fox Sports
Net and Versus have the right to pick up a game 12 days before it's
scheduled to be played. If they don't, KJZZ can move ahead with plans to
telecast it."As I pointed out, at ANY time during the year, the
PAC 10 (or in this case, the networks that were part of the PAC 10 TV contract)
could have shown the Utes football games in conference. Outside of
the pre-scheduled Colorado game and the MWC Lite USC game (which is still
hilarious), those networks decided to pick up 2 Utah games.Utah tied
with Oregon St. for the least amount of games aired by the PAC 10 networks last
year at 4.Nationally broadcast regular season games by the U last
year: 2 ('national' meaning ESPN Networks, ABC, NBC, etc.)Let's compare that to some other 'relevant' schools:Kansas: 1 (good job, U beat the 2-10 Jayhawks)Duke: 4Maryland:
6Iowa St.: 3Syracuse: 5Colorado: 3Oregon St.: 2Now THAT'S relevance.Go Cougars!
@troucoug1We've all pointed that out to naval vet about a
thousand times, he just conveniently ignores it because it doesn't fit his
agenda to aknowledge it.The fact is that he, and all other utah
"fans" are just counting on the new contract forcing the networks to
show some of utah's games from now on. Of course the networks don't
want them although they may occasionally want the team utah is playing enough to
pick it up. utah "fans" need to prepare themselves for a bunch of games
on the minor pac network that is only shown in utah and colorado because that is
going to be their reality.We can now all wait for utah
"fans" to hypocritically tell us that all they care about is being able
to see utah's games and it doesn't matter, although they'll all
be on the next BYUtv article telling us how no one but BYU fans will watch it.
Prepare yourself for it.LOL!
This seems to be an annual story with new names plugged to replace those of
years past. I hope this "new" and "tweaked" conditioning
program is as good as Doman believes, but I doubt it. I have been a
BYU fan all my life and have never been less optimistic about the program's
future (yes, even including the Crowton years). Doman's play calling last
year made Robert Anae look like a good coordinator. Riley Nelson will be a
mediocre QB, albeit exciting at times, and BYU will win 8-9 games. Playing
Nelson this year will waste the unique talent BYU has in Apo, Hoffman, and
Wilson/Holt at TE, as this year could be used to develop Taysom Hill (if
he's as good as advertised) who could potentially utilize these weapons as
an experienced QB in 2013.
@DuckhunterWell said :) My favorite part of a recent article about
the PAC 12 Networks: "The response from distributors is that they love our
content. We'll have 35 football and 140 basketball games and our conference
is the best in Olympic sports," he said. "This year, conference members
added eight more NCAA championships."At this point, though,
those talks have yet to yield any additional agreements. Stil, Stevenson replied
"absolutely," when asked if other carriers would be on board when the
networks debut in mid-August.""At this point, though, those
talks have yet to yield any additional agreements." In the words of Jim
Rome, "UH OHHHHH!" Where have I heard that before? (Mtn, cough
cough).I also love that their 'national' network reaches
into about 40 million homes, mostly on the West Coast. BYUtv is in 50+ million
around the nation.Good ol' Utah...always good for a laugh.@U Student Y FanRiley Nelson a mediocre QB? The guy
finished 15th in the nation last year in passing efficiency. The kid is
underrated as a passer, and I'm looking forward to him proving the doubters
wrong this year.Go Cougars!
U Student Y FanI must politely differ with you. I've watched a
lot of Riley footage in the off-season, and what I see is both a quarterback who
improved in his decision-making as well as his throwing, and receivers that made
him look dang good.Go back and watch the last quarter of the Tulsa
game, and zone in on what the ex-nfl quarterback color announcer was saying (not
the play by play guy). Two plays in particular. First one, Apo is running a
deep route, Riley looks off the safety then comes back to Apo. Play by play guy
calls it an overthrow, sidekick calls it a rookie reviever mistake: Ross took
the same bait the safety took and gave up on his route. The replay was textbook
to watch.Later, same circumstances, Hoffman takes the deep ball.
Play by play guys gives all the credit to Hoffman (not inappropriately, by the
way) sidekick says no, Riley did it all with his eyes. Again, the replay was
incredible to watch.Yes, the competition got easier as the season
wore on, but Riley got better. Go back and watch it for yourself.
Duck,"Utah will not be competing for a pac12 championship, a
rose bowl berth, and certainly not a bid in the MNCG. Just being in the
conference doesn't mean they will compete. Don't be so
delusional."Here's the difference pardner. For Utah it may
not be likely, but it's possible. For BYU it's impossible plain and
Being on the outside of college football looking in is sure painful to Cougar
"fan". Hang in there, there's always playing the bottom half of
the WAC to look forward to.
@fenderIt is every bit as possible for BYU to play for the National
Championship as utah. utah has no greater chance. If BYU is ranked in the top 2
they are in, if utah is ranked in the top 2 they are in. The irony is that BYU
probably has a better chance to be ranked in the top 2. utah has almost no
chance of that. But of course it is still the longest of long shots
for either of them and I don't worry about it. I enjoy BYU's seasons
for what they are. I like winning 10+ games most of the time. I like being in
the final rankings most of the time. It's pretty nice to tell you the
truth, but you guys don't do it often, hardly did it even in the MWC or the
WAC, so you can't really relate.
@Ernest T dum Bass "and the NFL players we put in the NFL proofs
it."wow, great comment. Sending NFL players to the NFL...Do
these "NFL Players" get drafted into the NFL or how does that work?
Also, if they're "NFL Players", doesn't that mean they're
already in the NFL? Thanks for 'proofsing' it.Speaking of
NFL players being put in the NFL, BYU has a number of Offensive Lineman
currently on NFL rosters. Bronco has "put" Dallas Reynolds, Travis
Bright, Ray Feinga in the NFL in recent years and this year Matt Reynolds and
Terrence Brown both have signed contracts with NFL teams. I guess that
@Navel Lint"Last year's television contract was inked a decade
before Utah was invited. We were lucky to get even ONE nationally televised game
on the Pac-12's old TV deal since those games were ALREADY reserved for the
all the OTHER teams not-named Utah and Colorado."Save it Navel
Lint, nobody's buying the excuse. A contract gets signed in advance but the
matchups and time slots don't get set in stone and announced until just
before the season so that the networks can be sure they're getting the best
matchups in the most advantageous time slots. They always have the flexibility
to change coverage times and dates on the fly as well. I'm sure
you hate to hear the truth, but even your game with USC wasn't deemed
worthy of ESPN yet they aired several Colorado and Utah St games last year.
USC's considerable rating's prowess was only enough to get your game
on Versus and not even ESPNU (yet BYU's Rugby team had enough cache to get
a game on ESPNU).You should have thought that excuse through a
little better, it hurt your already questionable credibility.
@Navel Lint"ESPN published a "what if" scenerio as to who
would be in the Final Four had that system been implemented all along, and both
the '04 and '08 Utes would have been included under the
"Conference Champions Only" model."Ifs and buts were
candy and nuts...ESPN doesn't determine where you're ranked and if a 4
slot National Championship playoff had been the model then you can be assured
that the decision makers behind it would have orchestrated the polls accordingly
to keep the MWC champ out and get someone from another conference in ahead of
Utah. We saw that happen in 08 when undefeated Utah couldn't
leapfrog ahead of teams with losses ranked higher than them.They were able to
make sure you were kept out of a shot at playing in the National Championship
game under that 2 team model, why do you think they'd change all of a
sudden and welcome you with open arms in a 4 team model? They did it to Utah
twice, that's the start of a pattern.
@ DuckhunterBYU does not have a better chance than Utah to finish in
the top two because of the strength (of lack thereof) of its late season
schedule. The fact is pollsters are biased and tend to favor their conference
and there is no way an indy team is going to skate though November and not be
punished in the polls. Especially if a berth in the NCG is on the line. BYU
would probably take a hit in the computers as well due to their lower SOS
ranking.On the other hand if Utah goes undefeated the worst the Utes
can do is play in the Rose bowl and there would be a very real chance they could
be in the mix for the title game.However, like you said its a long
shot for both schools, but don't pretend like BYU has the same access to
the top tier bowl games as Utah does.
DuckLove how you completely ignored 2/3 of the issue. Here's
the inconvenient reality for BYU: it won't be in the Rose Bowl and
won't be competing for a PAC 12 championship. That's a sure thing.
It's not likely, but certainly possible for Utah. As for your point that
BYU is more likely to be a number 1 or 2. BYU could win all its games and still
not be top 2. Only ND will be ranked in any credible top 25 preseason poll.
Utah will be playing the preseason number 1 team at home and more than likely a
top 10 or top 5 team in the PAC 12 championship (Oregon will be preseason top 10
and Stanford in top 25), if it were to win south division. Almost no way Utah
wins out and isn't in top 2.
Wayne--I like your posts! You seem to be an honest guy who doesn't live in
a bubble. You should switch to the Utes for one season and see if you don't
like it better. And send some more Texas recruits of the Eric Rowe variety our
@fenderThere is no way utah "wins out", that is the point.
It is far more likely for BYU to go undefeated and be ranked in the top 2 than
it is for utah. Maybe bias would keep BYU out of the top 2. Maybe strength of
schedule would keep them out although we all know they attained #1 with a weaker
schedule than they play this coming season. But utah going undefeated ever again
is more than a long shot, it is pretty much not going to happen. An undefeated
BYU has a much greater chance of occuring than a utah team with less than 3
Duck"we all know they attained #1 with a weaker schedule than
they play this coming season." -Glad at atleast 1 byU
"fan" admits it. Well said Duck. You call it "bias" but it is
fact that byU's schedule is loaded with cupcakes and therefore impossible
to reach #2 even if undefeated. There will be (2) SEC teams, a (1) loss ND, and
(2) PAC 12 teams ahead of them every year no matter how many wins they have."An undefeated BYU has a much greater chance of occuring than a utah
team with less than 3 losses"-To your point, byU has no chance
of going undefeated next year or "ever again" Atleast until the rivalry
Get married and eat too many carbs is what happens at BYU.
@utahcountyuteTo quote one of the more prolific utah "fans"
around here:"what a frantic and emotional reply"LOL!