So BYU wins the Deseret Duel by dominance in the Olympic sports. That's not
going to set well with the Ute fans.All I've heard since the
Utes went to the 'Conference of Champions' was that it was all about
the Olympic sports and that the Utes 'fit' right in.I'm ready to hear the excuses.
Sam, your true cougarness always shines through.It would be great if
the Utah-Byu rivalry game could continue. I enjoy the ocassional blowout, but
all the close games are what makes the rivalry. Hope the cougs can improve their
showing this year.
The DNews has to keep writing these lame, hypothetical articles about BYU's
greatly diminished relevance in college football and basketball. It's
nauseating. Utah is moving on and BYU can't get an invite to ANY decent
conference.......end of story.
It's hard to make excuses when all of their sports but one finished with
losing records in the pac12 but I'd like to hear what they come up with as
well. My guess is we'll either not hear from any of them on here or else
they'll all just post "54-10" a bunch of times.
As another BYU fan astutely commented:"Despite the arrogant
squawking from the hill, BYU once again proves that the Utes are all squawk, but
no walk, when it comes to overall athletic program dominance."Final Head-to-Head and NATIONAL ResultsOverall BYU 8 Utah 3W
Soccer BYU 5 Utah 0W Volleyball BYU 3 Utah 0Football Utah 54 BYU 10
(BYU #25/#26 Utah UNRANKED)M Basketball BYU 61 Utah 42 (BYU NCAA
tournament)W Basketball BYU 63 Utah 58 (BYU NCAA tournament)M
Swimming BYU 161 Utah 139W Swimming BYU 162 Utah 138W Gymnastics
Utah 197.55 BYU 194.45 (Utah #5)M Tennis BYU 5 Utah 2W Tennis Utah 5
BYU 2Baseball BYU 9 Utah 8Baseball BYU 9 Utah 6Baseball Utah 6
BYU 4Rugby BYU 38 Utah 22 (BYU NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!)Of course,
some delusional Utah fans will continue to spout their false propaganda about
BYU's "diminished relevance in college football and basketball",
but the truth is, conference affiliation doesn't mean diddly if U finish at
the BOTTOM of the conference with a LOSING conference record in EVERY men's
Congrats to BYU on winning the most coveted, most prestigious, most anticipated
trophy in all of sports. With it's long history and tradition, this award
is what our great rivalry has really always been about. We humbly cede bragging
rights to you, though it seems your most ardent fans have already taken them.
Hats off to you sirs.
azute1yaaaaaaawn... BYU Top 25; Utah Unranked
This is bad, man, real bad. How many recruits are we going to lose to BYU
because they have this odd made up trophy thing. Oh wait. None.yaaaaaaaaawn... BYU ranked 32 in the BCS poll. Cougars have a long ways to go
to break into the party that Utah and TCU did twice.
BYU got rid of their football meltdown, sent him to Kansas. Two years with
Heaps, two losses to Utah. It will be a sad year for Utah next year, they
won't be able to win anything against the Cougs....oops, except gymnastics.
I won't mince words. This is unacceptable for Ytah to take this kind if
beating across all sports. The outcome in football is great, even with that
"Top 25" finish by the Cougars. The other results show just how intently
Mr. Hill has ignored all other sports in favor of football. Especially our once
proud basketball program. Shame.
It would be interesting to see what the results would have been if this had
been around for 10 or 20 or 30 years. I'm pretty sure it would still come
out with BYU winning 80%+ over any time frame you want to look at. It's
been great being a Cougar for a very long time and the future is only going to
be even better.
As a Utah Grad - I proudly carry my Cougar Club membership card with me wherever
I go and I thoroughly enjoy the wholesome game day atmosphere I experience as a
season ticket holder. I'm proud of what BYU accomplishes across the board
with their Football, Basketball and Baseball teams, as well as their Olympic
sports Cheer and Dance teams (Cougarettes - I'm mean like how many times
have they been National Champions?). I also appreciate their dominance in their
club teams. Ruby is awesome (National Champion) and let's not forget
BYU's Lacrosse Club who is a perennial national power in the MCLA league.
I think it's time for BYU Lacrosse to go NCAA. Also - Is it true that the
Utah Lacrosse club has NEVER beaten BYU in Lacrosse - ever? I'm proud that
my kids have chosen to attend BYU over other schools in the state. When you
look at the big picture BYU really is in a league of their own - and I for one
like the big picture view.
@Utah-Hawaii Alum "The DNews has to keep writing these lame, hypothetical
articles about BYU's greatly diminished relevance in college football and
basketball."Basketball? Really? This comment adds perspective
to all your other comments.BYU has a commanding lead in all other
sports over Utah, except Football and Gymnastics over the last decade -
including basketball. And in football it's not as big of
difference as Utes would like to make it out to be. Since 2000 you've won
7 of 12, but the last 6 matchups are tied at 3 wins a piece. If it wasn't
for the Crowton era, BYU would have dominated at football also.
Further proof that the Utes continue on a path of mediocrity and
'mid-majorey' performance.Good grief, the Utes were only
average in the WAC and MWC overall with an occasional breakout. (except
gymnastics) What's changed?I would say "get used to it
Utes" but I would just be wasting words... they already have.Ouch!
Good for BYU, at least it gives sammyg and Ducky some smack material until
mid-September when one goes into the "fetal" position and the other to
Tulsa for a week.Personally, my only concern is losing in
basketball. Except for gymnastics I don't recall ever watching/following
any other Utah program. Losing is never good, but priority is football and then
basketball. As far as football the biggest game of this season is:
Take 2: Pac-12 games we can't wait for (ESPN)Kevin
Gemmell: I too enjoy a good measuring-stick game -- and I don't think there
is a bigger one early in the season than USC's trip to Utah on Oct. 4...USC has the stronger offense -- even Utah fans won't dispute what
the Trojans bring to the table with Matt Barkley and Co.-- but Utah's
defensive line is as good as it gets. And one cannot throw the ball if
one's face is buried in the turf.This projects to be a brutal,
physical game with the winner taking decisive command of the Pac-12 South.
@ CougfaninTX,Let's put this into perspective sir. I was on the
UH golf team, WAC days, when BYU won their bogus NC in football. Actually, UH
should have beaten the Cougs that year, Wyoming as well at LES. BYU was a
private school with UNLIMITED amounts of money, competing against obscure
state-owned schools in "once," sparsely populated regions. Of course BYU
had every advantage.......and we ALL knew it. Why do you think that nobody likes
BYU sir? They act terribly. boastful, condescending and arrogant. Well, years
ago, they could claim that. Now, because they are so despised by EVERY fan-base
that they have ever competed against, these state-owned schools like Utah that
have made some serious noise, while BYU hasn't, and have passed them by in
the 21st century....... Let me tell you something sir......"America's
team," every week, is their(BYU's) opponent. BYU is a done deal my
friend. And, It is about darn time. BYU is last century's bizarre
aberration. You need to "realize" that in your obvious life of
Congratulations to BYU and isn't it exciting to read the same posts from
the same posters over and over again? Will be interesting to see how this phony
competions works as the U is able to increase the athletic budget over the next
few years. Regardless, I would trade a football win for losses in swimming,
tennis, and soccer every year.
CougFaninTXAnd in football it's not as big of difference as
Utes would like to make it out to be. Since 2000 you've won 7 of 12, but
the last 6 matchups are tied at 3 wins a piece. If it wasn't for the
Crowton era, BYU would have dominated at football also.-----------Actually since 2000 Utah is 7 of 11, the 12th game is
this year. Over the last 6 years the three wins for BYU were only because of
miracles, missed coverage/tackles by Utah. If it wasn't for those miracles
BYU couldn't beat Utah without Edwards and Chow.Speaking of
"domination" Utah has destroyed BYU 3 times in 8 years while BYU
can't seem to beat Utah by more than 7 points since 1996.
Keep those excuses and deflections coming Utes. They are great!UteologyI might have been disappointed with an occasional lack
luster performance of the Cougars, but as far as being in a 'fetal'
position, far from it. That's a standard 'form' in a Ute yoga
class.I'm still hoping that cliff diving becomes an
'Olympic sport' for the 'Conference of Champions'. Like
gymnastics the Utes certainly have an edge over BYU in that
'sport'.I will admit the Utes are resilient bunch. If I
had suffered what they did in 2010 & 2011 in football and basketball, Chow
leaving, Boylen leaving, 20 bb players, etc... well, need I say more.Here's a participation trophy and a certificate of achievement for your
second place finish in the Deseret Duel.Thanks for playing.
Totally agree with you Duckhunter!I am waiting for the excuses as
well. I don't want to hear that "it takes some time when you jump up a
conference." All I heard was how the U of U was going to compete in the
PAC-12 right away, now it's excuses when BYU wins the Duel or that you
don't care about Olympic sports.
You would think Utah would relish the national TV exposure when they play BYU.
What this proves is what most people have already know and that is that the Utes
have built up their football program at the expense of all their other sports.
I'm a Ute fan who is mostly okay with that since I really don't care
much about any of the other sports. It is a little embarassing to be losers in
all the other sports (especially basketball) but as long as the football program
continues to thrive I'm fine with it.
Utah fans don't wanna see BYU ever again. For what reason? We are in the
PAC! Utah is just fine, and BYU will play NMSU during "rivalry week."
Who will watch that game in the USA? Not me! There, ya have it. BYU is a done
deal. It is that simple.
@Utah-Hawaii Alum - "Let's put this into perspective sir. I was on the
UH golf team, WAC days, when BYU won their bogus NC in football. Actually, UH
should have beaten the Cougs that year."And New Mexico would
have beaten Utah in 2008 if it weren't for a very controversial call,
preventing U from your glorious BCS Bowl. I don't see your point.@Uteology - "the three wins for BYU were only because of miracles."And Utah's win over BYU in 2010 was because of what . . . a
miracle.And Utah's win over BYU in 2005 was because of what . .
. a miracle.And Utah's win over BYU in 2003 was because of what
. . . a miracle.
"Utah fans don't wanna see BYU ever again."Hey
ute-rainbow alum dallas, tx:You just couldn't resist two posts
here could you - and I have a funny feeling we will be hearing from you again
real soon. There's something about BYU and the Mighty Cougars that keeps
you and your buddies coming back. Thanks for your support - you're a true
fan.Oh, and can't wait to see Chow get a taste of reality on
Congratulations for BYU in dominating intramural sports over Utah.The heart and valor they showed in basket weaving, polo, field hockey,
backgammon, chess, women's wrestling, hopscotch, thumb wrestling, potato
sack racing and quilting will surely never be forgotten in the minds of the BYU
faithful.And yet all anybody outside of LDS churchhouses around the
country will remember about this rivalry for the last year is 54-10. Just the
@CougFaninTX"And in football it's not as big of difference
as Utes would like to make it out to be. Since 2000 you've won 7 of 12, but
the last 6 matchups are tied at 3 wins a piece. If it wasn't for the
Crowton era, BYU would have dominated at football also."Lets
keep it simple, with easy markers to make, not markers set where it makes BYU
look better:Five Games - 3-2 UtahTen Games - 7-3 UtahFifteen Games - Utah 9-6Twenty Games - Utah 12-8Total Score
Utah 545 BYU 449Average Score Utah 27 BYU 22Largest
Margin of Victory Utah 44 BYU 20Average Margin of Victory Utah 12.5
points BYU 6.5 pointsHighest Points Scored Utah 54 BYU BYU 37This "rivalry" has been 1 sided for two decades. It's not
even debatable. Facts are Facts.
BYU is last century's problem. We Utah fans ONLY care about the USC game.
BYu has no possibility of beating BYU. Other than Kyle Van Noy. they have no
decent athletes. BYU will NOT be considered by Chris Hill. That is a fact. Utah
doesn't like BYU........like the rest of the nation.
@ Tom in CA,Yes, I want Utah to currb-stomp BYU again at RES on
9-15-12......like the rest of he world. There is NOTHING "mighty" about
BYU in this century. We Utah fans wanna get rid of BYu. Sorry bro.
A BYU athlete just brought home another National Championship in Track and
Field. The fact, BYU is very rich in athletic tradition, success and
championships. The school is awesome and is definitely a premier University in
sports. Anyone, and I mean anyone, would love to have BYU's athletic
tradition. Congratulations Cougars...again.
@uteology"Actually since 2000 Utah is 7 of 11, the 12th game is
this year."Really? More utah "math" I suppose.2000 BYU2001 BYU2002 utah2003 utah2004 utah2005
utah2006 BYU2007 BYU2008 utah2009 BYU2010 utah2011 utahBy my count that is 12 games and utah does lead 7-5
taking the lead the last 2 years. Throw out the crowton years (yes I know they
happened but that is not the standard for BYU and it did include 1 BYU win) it
is a dead even 4-4 with utah's last 2 years only just tieing it up. That
said utah does lead it 7-5 since 2000, which just as CougFaninTX said is 12
seasons, 12 games.
I really love the picture with the story. Big brother looking down at little
RE: Utah-Hawaii AlumIF you Utah fans only care about the USC
game,then why are you all always commenting on BYU stories?Me thinks you all care too much about BYU.
JD TractorIowa City, IAA BYU athlete just brought home another
National Championship in Track and Field. The fact, BYU is very rich
in athletic tradition, success and championships. The school is awesome and is
definitely a premier University in sports. Anyone, and I mean anyone, would love
to have BYU's athletic tradition. --Yet after all
this time we still don't belong to a major conference. If it meant
something we would have been officially invited over the past 40 plus years.
Nobody cares about our supposed athletic tradition outside of Provo other than
wishful thinking BYU fans.
San DiegoOrem, UTYou would think Utah would relish the national TV
exposure when they play BYU.--I think fellow BYU fans
felt like relish after losing to Utah 54-10 on national TV.
To Duckie and CougTexan - I'm not one to say the U has
'dominated' in football recently but I think there has been a clear
advantage. To relate to your earlier posts.Duck is correct that the
series is 7-5 since the game in 2000. However the Y's 5 wins have come by
a combined totaly of 22 points in that span. Utah's wins have been a
combined total of 117 points. CFinTX - the last 6 games are 3-3.
Y's wins combined equal 12 points. U's wins combined total 69 points.
When the games are close, the teams seem to split wins but 3 times
in the last 8 games, the U has actually dominated (and that includes a couple
under Bronco's watch). You have to go back more than 15 years to find a
game the Y won by more than 7 points.I would say that the results
show that the U has had more head to head football success in the last 20 years.
This discussion is tired and old...Utah is in the PAC12 and BYU is
not. Nothing is forever and the rivalry is over.Utah has moved on
and BYU should move on too.
@ No Conference Will Take UsFirst, don't try to pretend that
you are a BYU fan because you obviously aren't. Next, the Worldwide Leader
in Sports clearly cares about BYU's athletic tradition. BYU fans from all
around the world clearly care about BYU's athletic prowess and tradition.
The athletes who have chosen to play at BYU and have competed and often won vs.
the best competition in the country clearly care about BYU's athletic
programs. Yes, we know that you and your fellow Utes get your sense of value
out of the fact that you've been a member of the PAC 12 for a grand total
of 1 year. Things are changing quickly and dramatically in college athletics so
enjoy this little window of time but history has proven that BYU's athletic
program and tradition will continue to produce top quality performances
regardless of conference affiliation. Plan on seeing more nationally ranked
teams, all americans, national awards, hall of famers and sell out crowds in
football, basketball, volleyball, soccer, rugby etc. It's really great to
not need the crutch of a conference to feel successful.
willary,"This "rivalry" has been 1 sided for two
decades. It's not even debatable. Facts are Facts."How
convenient to only go back 20 years. Let's start off where you
conveniently left off.1992: 31-22 BYU1991: 48-17 BYU1990: 45-22 BYU1989: 70-31 BYU OUCH!1988: 28-57 UT1987:
21-18 BYU1986: 35-21 BYU1985: 38-28 BYU1984: 24-14 BYU1983: 55-7 BYU OUCH!BYU won 7 of the next 8. Just wanted to make sure
you understand what domination meant during the time you were learning your
ABCs.54-10 is nothing compared to the whooping BYU put on Utah in
the 70's and 80's year after year.Regarding the article,
it's fun to see BYU be so dominant vs. Utah in all sports the last several
years. Even the year when Utah was in the PAC, and BYU was a lowly WCC, WAC,
MWC, Independent team, Utah couldn't even keep up. Conference affiliation
means nothing...it's how you compete vs. your rival. Clearly, BYU knows
how to play Utah better than the other way around. Look at records and FACTS.
@DuckyMy bad, I was off a year. Still 7-5 with Utah not losing by
more than 7 points since 1996 while BYU being taken to the woodshed 3 times and
shutout once. According to the NFL talent is at Utah, look for the trend
continue.@Striker"Conference affiliation means
nothing...it's how you compete vs. your rival."Is that why
Texas A&M moved to the SEC and in doing so killed a 100+ year rivalry with
Texas? 54-10 means more today than what happened 20+ years ago.
SoonerUteThe REAL party is winning a National Championship or a
Heisman Trophy - the epitome of major college football excellence - something
foreign to a program that holds parades for finishing second.
Football drives the bus, the short bus for byu. Who cares about most of these
other sports anyways? I guess when you are bitter and angry about Utah being in
the Pac 12, Y "fans" get desperate and grasp at anything to makes
themselves feel better and look better than their rival. Football
is the future, and that future is Utah. Congrats on beating us in water polo. I
don't know how I'll get over that. 82 days til kick off...Go Utes!!!
Richard SmokerProvo, UTTotally agree with you Duckhunter!I am waiting for the excuses as well. I don't want to hear that "it
takes some time when you jump up a conference." All I heard was how the U of
U was going to compete in the PAC-12 right away."---------------Yeah, I think we were talking about football
pal.In which case, mission accomplished.
@Howard S. - "Utah has moved on and BYU should move on too."Whit has said he is looking for easier competition because the competition is
so fierce in the PAC. That's why he wants to move on. BYU's WACy
November schedule will end this year. Looks like Utah is trying to make a WACy
schedule for themselves in September, so they can be prepared to face to stiff
competition in the PAC - Arizona (4-8), Arizona St (6-7), UCLA (6-8), Washington
St (4-8), Oregon St (3-9), Colorado (3-10). LOLBesides BYU, Utah
only faces three teams that had winning records last year, and two of them had a
record of 7-6. Quit trying to make it sound like the PAC is the SEC. Take out
USC, Oregon (which U don't play) and Standford (which U don't play)
and the PAC is no stronger than other mid major conferences.
@ striker - you frown on a poster about 'how convenient' it is to go
back 20 years and then site games from the 80's. That is just as
convenient to ignore the entire U vs. Y series. How about 47 to 13 in 1964;
41-9, 41-6, and 27-0 in 1955 through 1957; 4 wins (1946 - 1949) by a combined
score of 131-12; 7 straight win including 6 times the Y didn't score
(1931-1937; 6 straigh wins with 4 shutouts in the 1920;s?No one
disputes that the Y dominated the series for a 20 year span from '72 to
'92 but both before and after those years, the U has held the advantage.
Mountainman56 said:".....Next, the Worldwide Leader in Sports
clearly cares about BYU's athletic tradition. BYU fans from all around the
world clearly care about BYU's athletic prowess and tradition. The athletes
who have chosen to play at BYU and have competed and often won vs. the best
competition in the country clearly care about BYU's athletic programs. ..... Things are changing quickly and dramatically in college athletics so
enjoy this little window of time but history has proven that BYU's athletic
program and tradition will continue to produce top quality performances
regardless of conference affiliation. Plan on seeing more nationally ranked
teams, all americans, national awards, hall of famers and sell out crowds in
football, basketball, volleyball, soccer, rugby etc. It's really great to
not need the crutch of a conference to feel successful."You are
contradicting yourself here. Nice. ESPN also cares about all the other football
contracts they have which are generating higher viewers than BYU games.40
more years, 40 more years! That should be the chant of BYU fans to hopefully
become the ND of the West!
@uteologyThat "shutout" was a 3-0 game in a year utah was a
10-2 team and BYU had a losing record. Hardly a dominating performance by a
supposedly top 25 team. The truth is there is no "domination" by utah
despite your attempts to claim there is. Of course 2 years ago when BYU was not
a very good team, and utah was a 10-3 team, utah got lucky and some officiating
gifts to even win the game. Yes utah won and winning is ultimately what matters
but utah "fan" attempts to try and make it something it is not are
amusing. I really enjoyed CougFaninTX post showing just how crappy
utah's pac12 schedule really is this year. Against that same stiff
competition utah managed to go 4-5 last year and will probably go about 4-5 this
year. Then of course head to head with BYU utah's athletic department
managed to go something along the lines of 3-10.Congratulations?
Bottom line, Utah dominated BYU head to head in football. Y fans can cherry
pick the years all they want and the net result is still the same 20 games
advantage to Utah with the most recent and thus relevant years being advantage
Utah by far. Regarding Basketball, it took Utah's program meltdown for
the Y to finally pull ahead in the series which has historically been much
closer than football. Though even with with Utah's recent pathetic
roundball play and the Y having a great coach (Rose) and recent good teams I say
advantage Utah in overall success when it counts with a far better tourney
record (NCAA Champs, NCAA runner up, many final fours against non of those for
BYU). In most of the Olympic Sports advantage BYU and my Utes will need to step
it up in most those sports sans skiing and gymnastics. It's been a great
rivalry but I say end it as it has brought out the worst in people far more
lately than in the past. If not ending it, give it a few years break at the
very least as it has reach a new level on nastiness.
Utah-Hawaii alum:Insecurity can be measured by how often one posts
on a rival's articles declaring how irrelevant they are.Another
measure is how one projects his own irrational hatred toward his rival as
"the whole world's" hatred.Quite pathetic, really.
Duckwhatever I don't think calling out Utah for its schedule is wise.
Schedule games you can actually win other than New Mexico St. We look
forward to taking your Big 12 slot!Go Noles!
A BYU fan with some props for Utah: 1. Getting into the PAC was a major
coup and well-deserved. 2 BCS appearances IS a big deal and that is probably the
key factor in getting the invitation. 2. I would concede that Utah's
football program is probably in better shape than BYU's right now. I think
they have an advantage in recruiting better athletes and have better coaching.
(Sorry, Bronco). They will do fine in the PAC 12 and will contend for the
championship on a not too infrequent basis. Chris Hill has done a good job at
beefing up the football program. But maybe at the expense of the other
sports?I would also state that BYU does incredibly well in football
given the self imposed restrictions. And don't tell me that the high number
of return missionaries is an advantage. Any one with half a brain knows that is
a bunch of baloney.But a school's athletic legacy measures all
sports, not just football. Just ask USC. In that aspect, BYU clearly has the
superior athletic department over Utah.
@NightowlPlease tell me where I have contradicted myself. Nothing
you said shows any evidence of that. Your broad based statement about ESPN also
caring about the other football contracts they have that generate higher viewers
than BYU games is ridiculous. Certainly some of their other games generated
higher ratings than some of the BYU games but making a sweeping statement like
that is nonsense. Obviously the ratings for every televised game are going to
depend on match ups, rankings time slots etc. It's just nice to know that
most, if not all BYU games will be available to anyone who wants to watch. Also, 40 more years of the same success BYU has enjoyed for the last 40
years would be fabulous! You can only hope to some day be able to say Utah has
had 40 years of similar success but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were
Mountainman56 has proved that its more important to "feel successful"
than to be successful.Said so in your own words. Care to clear that up for
everyone here please?
@WACPadI know, I need to spell things out more clearly for Utes.
When I said "It's really great to not need the crutch of a conference
to feel successful", that was a reference to Ute fans who are now
"feeling" successful because of the conference you are in which is very
different from BYU who has actually been and continues to be successful,
regardless of conference affiliation.Is that clear enough?
Big brother looking down little brother! Love it!
@ducky (AKA sammy, cougfan, etc.)So BYU has proven that it can win
in the "sports" which you compete in at family reunions (How did they do
in the 3-legged race?). Big deal. The only college sport that anybody cares
about nowadays is football, with basketball being a very distant second. And to
be relevant in the college football scene today, you have to be in a major BCS
conference.So while you crow about winning your
sports-that-nobody-cares-about, the true college sports fans in the state will
continue following the only relevant sports program in the state: the
University of Utah.Go Utes!!P.S. To ducky: 54-10
As much as several of the Ute "fans" are trying to ignore or diminish
this local overall award the embarrassment of coming up short is quite
obvious.It's just not supposed to be this way is it Utesies?
Hoping for greatness in your new conference is one thing, just simply being
consistent in several sports for decades is another.BYU is the past,
present and future of athletic programs in the state. Being a media darling and
having a legacy program is hard work, thus its important to have more than just
football and basketball to round out and balance the legacy of BYU sports.Sure makes me proud to be a Cougar fan and know that most sports at BYU
are important and represented well. Such a smorgasbord of great programs for
every different fan to follow. It's great to have both BYUtv and ESPN to
showcase them.Never has it been a better time to follow BYU sports.
@DuckhunterSpeaking of "crappy schedules", it is ironic that
you would cry about Utah's schedule considering...A)
BYU's SOS in 2010 was #90 according to Sagarin. You played 4 real teams
and lost to 2 and were taken to the woodshed by the other @LES.B)
That SOS was equivalent to 1984 when BYU won a NC with a SOS around #80ish-104.
Only champion to not win a SINGLE game over a final ranked team. Worst SOS in
the history of college football for a national champion.Congrats on
the Desert Dual but again for Utah this is not "war" since the biggest
game of the season will again be with USC not BYU.
"No one disputes that the Y dominated the series for a 20 year span from
'72 to '92 but both before and after those years, the U has held the
advantage."Sorry, but Utah hasn't "held a advantage
over BYU" in any decade since the 60's - not head-to-head, not in
conference championships, and not in Top 25 finishes.Head-to-head1970s BYU 7 Utah 31980s BYU 9 Utah 11990s BYU 5 Utah 52000s
BYU 5 Utah 5Conference Championships1970s BYU 5 Utah 01980s BYU 7 Utah 01990s BYU 7 Utah 22000s BYU 3 Utah 3Top 25 Finishes1970s BYU 2 Utah 01980s BYU 6 Utah 01990s BYU
4 Utah 12000s BYU 5 Utah 4The biggest difference, however, is
during Utah's period of domination from 1922 to 1964, the Utes did
absolutely NOTHING on a national scale - ONE Top 25 finish in ONE poll.During BYU's period of domination, BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team,
with numerous Heisman Trophy contenders, including the 1991 winner, 15 national
individual award winners, and a National Championship!
"Big brother looking down little brother! Love it!"What's it like being a little brother constantly looking up at your big
One thing that the Utes will learn real fast in the PAC is that Olympic sports
matter. The PAC really is the conference of champions... not necessarily
because of Football and basketball but largely because of Olympic sports.Look at the respect that Stanford, USC, Oregon, Washingnton receive for
excellent athletic programs. Historically BYU has finished top 25 in the Sears
Cup. Ane would compete well in the PAC. Certainly those Ute fans in West
Valley, Vernal and Panguitch don't care about Golf, Track & Field and
Soccer, but people in LA, Eugene, Seattle and San Fran do.
SeminolebobDo you honestly think anybody is naive enough to believe
that a true Seminole fan would hang out on a BYU/Utah blog and post nothing but
smack about BYU?The truth is, you couldn't care less whether
the Seminoles remain in the ACC or move to the Big 12 because you're
How does Utah compete in the Conference of Champions?BYU wins Duel 4
of 5 years.BYU has 8-10 Top 25 programs a year in Athletics.BYU wins
half of all Championsips in their Conference for 40 years.This whole
notion that Utah was invited to the Pac because of their Athletic program or
because of Academic reputation (BYU ranks #71....Utah #124), is just dopey.In every way, Market Strength, Fanbase, Facilities, Academics, Overall
Athletic Dept., Legacy, Exposure, National Brand & Reputation etc.. Utah is
under BYU's shadow.Utah has their Conference Crutch, now the
question remains...Will Utah ever win a "Conference" Championship
again, in "Any" Sport?DoubtfulCongrats on Utah
being invited to the Pac. But don't fool yourselves Utes...It
was because...#1...Colorado was invited early, in order to wedge out
the only Faith Based School of the Group (Baylor).#2...Consequently, the
Texas/Okie 6 deal, blew up.#3...Utah was the last/only choice for a 12th
team. Which must wait 4 years for "Full" inclusion, while
Colorado does not.Boast of being in the Pac Utes, but remember, it
wasn't due to Academics/Athletics.
@WACPadSorry I wasn't clear enough for you. When I said
"It's really great to not need the crutch of a conference to feel
successful", that was a reference to Ute fans who are now "feeling"
successful because of the conference you are in, which is very different from
BYU who has actually been and continues to be successful, regardless of
conference affiliation.Is that clear enough?
"Congrats on beating us in water polo. I don't know how I'll get
over that. 82 days til kick off...Go Utes!!!"Nice try, but we
all know that the only reason the Utes totally dismiss every sport except
football is because the Utes simply aren't good enough to compete in
anything else.Even Utah's once decent basketball program is now
one of the worst programs in the entire country.After peaking in
2008, Utah fans are back to judging the success of their entire athletic program
on the results of one game - a losing conference record and 8th place PAC 12
finish is of no consequence to Utah fans as long as U manage to beat BYU...sad!
@seminolebobI don't want BYU to go to the big12. You can have
it, I like independence.
@trueblueThe trouble with dealing with BYU fans, is that you have a
terrible sense of selective memory. In your 4:04 post, you go back to the
1970s. If I am not mistaken, the rivalry goes back to the late 1800s (or the
early 1920s, if you're a BYU fan---no matter.) For the sake of
record, the Utes dominated BYU over the first 60 years, to a record of 37-5 at
one point, and 41-8 at another point. When you quote only 1/3 of the total
record, you do yourself a disservice in terms of credibility. The
overall record, 55-34-4 in Utah's favor, speaks for itself. You undermine
your own argument when you only quote an obviously biased portion of the facts.
TrueBlueOrem, UTDuring BYU's period of domination, BYU
has been a perennial Top 25 team, with numerous Heisman Trophy contenders,
including the 1991 winner, 15 national individual award winners, and a National
Championship!--Sigh. Nobody cares other than
fellow BYU hopefuls. Not being invited to a major conference over the past 40
years proves that.
DuckhunterHighland, UT@seminolebobI don't want BYU
to go to the big12. You can have it, I like independence.--I don't like independence. You can have it.
uteBustersPark City, UTSeminolebobDo you honestly think
anybody is naive enough to believe that a true Seminole fan would hang out on a
BYU/Utah blog and post nothing but smack about BYU?The truth is, you
couldn't care less whether the Seminoles remain in the ACC or move to the
Big 12 because you're died-in-the-wool Ute.--I do
seem to recall Seminolebob saying something about BYU fans where he/she lives
talking about this site.Are you a true BYU fan like me? Or just pretending
to be one.
Desert duel? Just like the article says...Football is the only thing BYU fans
care about in the rivalry.........While BYU largely won the award based on its
performance in the Olympic sports, most fans of the two schools base the rivalry
on one particular sport — football — and the Utes clobbered the
Cougars in last year's game, 54-10, at Provo.How's that
football rivalry worked out for you the last 10 years BYU? I'll give you
some credit, you did when three games in the last decade.
Is that why Texas A&M moved to the SEC and in doing so killed a 100+ year
rivalry with Texas? 54-10 means more today than what happened 20+ years ago.54 to 10 didnt mean a whole lot at the end of the season when BYU was
ranked and Utah was unranked. Utah finished the year losing to a 3-win colorado
team at home, do you really believe that Utah was 44 points better then BYU? Not
even close, every thing that could go wrong did for BYU that night. Meanwhile
utah aside from 2 turnovers, played nearly a mistake free game. Most of BYUs 7
turnovers were unforced and their own undoing without those turnovers the game
is close and comes down to the end much like many of the games have recently.
@bluto/duckyYou do your best to dis the University of Utah and its
inclusion into the PAC 12. Yet, unfortunately, you do not know how many
championships they will earn in this very competitive conference. At last
count, the PAC 10/12 had earned more overall championships than any other
conference in the country, including the BIG 12 and SEC. So, yes, the
student-athletes of the U have their work cut out for them. But it
is a good, healthy challenge, unlike competing as an independent in football as
BYU has done, picking and choosing the degree of difficulty of opponents that
they play against. This will only result in padding their schedules with such
awful teams as Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State. But I guess
when you play teams like that, it's a foregone conclusion that you will end
up with seasons like 10-3, and then the sports writers across the country who
have absolutely no clue as to what really goes on out west, will end up ranking
your team in the final Top 25 OVER an 8-5 team who absolutely destroyed your
team by 44 points.Whatever.
While BYU largely won the award based on its performance in the Olympic sports,
most fans of the two schools base the rivalry on one particular sport —
football — and the Utes clobbered the Cougars in last year's game,
54-10, at Provo.
Byu fans keep brining up their ranking at the end of the year. Byu was only
ranked in one poll and they were #25...........Come on guys really? Go on espn
and again and check out who you guys played last year. Provo High would have
beat most of the teams you played.All I can say is 7 out of the last
10 years......In the Utes favor. That's, The Utes have beat the Cougars 70%
of the time in the last decade and you're still beating your chests!?
It sure is easy to say football is the only sport that matters when you stink at
almost every other sport.
Hey uteBusters I could care less what you think of me, and I hardly hang around
this place. I am a true Florida State fan. And yes I have read silly comments
from y'all on both sides. At least Utah is stepping up to the plate. They
belong to a major conference. BYU on the other hand well......who want's
them? Nobody so far.Notre Dame could very well end up in a
conference before BYU does.And we could take your Big 12 slot!
Jenny"Provo High would have beat most of the teams you
played."And Provo High could have taken Colorado... easily.Better stick with the picture commentary, you're so good at it.
Slice and dice it anyway that helps you sleep at night Jenny...Top
25 Finishes during the Kyle/Bronco eraBYU 5Utah 3Top 25
Finishes in BOTH polls during the Kyle/Bronco eraBYU 4Utah 2Top 15 Finishes during the Kyle/Bronco eraBYU 3Utah 1Top 25 Finishes in BOTH polls during the 2000'sBYU 5Utah 4Top 25 Finishes in BOTH polls during their entire football
historyBYU 17Utah 6Final 2012 RankingsBYU - #25
Coaches, #26 AP, #34 SagarinUtah - ZERO votes Coaches/AP, #39 SagarinBottom line:BYU has nearly as many Top 25 Finishes during
the last 6 years (5) as Utah has during its ENTIRE history (7).btw,
Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State could have all done what Utah
couldn't; beaten Colorado.
Sammy...Colorado is not a good team but they are sure much better than the likes
of SanJose State, New Mexico, and Idaho State --- At the end of the year, Byu
was playing the worst of the worst in college football.
Jenny... Utah was playing one the worst teams in the country, a team that lost
TEN games, and U LOST, at home; in many ways, a more embarrassing loss than
Utah's meltdown against 10-loss UNLVUnlike Utah, BYU
didn't LOSE to San Jose State, New Mexico, or Idaho State.Get
used to 4-5 conference finishes, that's who U are now, a PAC 12 bottom
@TrueBlueThanks for putting the decades into perspective. Great
CougFaninTXFrisco, TX@TrueBlueThanks for putting the decades
into perspective. Great information.--Yes. Thank you for
putting a WAC legacy nobody outside of Provo cares about (other than fellow BYU
fans), and decades without a major conference invite into perspective.
So predictable. If Utah does good, they say the conference is bad. Actually when
other teams do good it evens things in a conference. Well its easy for coug fans
to say. Because they have nothing to compare with. You are independent now on
the outside looking in.
No excuse from me great job BYU. The only thing I can say is "54-10 a bunch
"If Utah does good, they say the conference is bad."What
exactly did U do good in?The Utah men were 4-5 in football, 3-15 in
a weak basketball conference, with losing records in every other sport.The ONLY people who don't care about BYU's WAC legacy are the
jealous kids on the hill whose ONLY football "legacy" began in 2004 and
ended in 2008.btw, didn't Utah's NCAA Finals run occur
while Utah was in the WAC?and, didn't Utah's lone NCAA
tournament title occur while Utah wasn't even in a conference?
DuckhunterIt always comes down to the officiating
So... assuming every other sport goes the same way, the Utes will have 6 points
at the end of the competition next year after BYU wins the football game this
year. BYU will have 41 points.
scenicviewbtw, Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State could
have all done what Utah couldn't; beaten Colorado.did you ever
see Colorado play?GO REDyou are so right, 95% of these y
fans have no clue. Let them be 25th every year just makes them feel a whole lot
better about themselves. The only guy on hear that really gets me is the ducky
I just don't understand sometimes where he is coming from. The super
league coach of the decade should know better about the level of competition.
That's why he wants to stay indy he really does know and he knows that they
can make a run for 25th every year with that schedule.
As a BYU fan I will admit that winning the Deseret First Duel is not as awesome
as winning the football game. If I had to choose between two polar opposite
options, I would want to win the football game and let the Utes win in
everything else. Good thing in this upcoming year BYU will win the football game
AND the Deseret First Duel. Go Cougars!
upinthenightowlIt's easy to compare all of the chest thumping
with actual results.BYU 10-3, Top 25Utah 8-5, unrankedWhining about BYU's "weak schedule," after LOSING to a
10-loss team, and not beating a single PAC 12 opponent that finished with a
winning record, shows just how desperate U are to put lipstick on a pig and
claim that you actually accomplished something in 2011.U can thank
irrelevant, Independent, BYU, and its 7-turnover meltdown, for providing the
ONLY highlight of your first year in the PAC 12. U were simply lucky that U
played the Cougs in early September instead of late November, or you
wouldn't have had any 2011 highlights.
Yo Snack PAC-The highlight of the year for your cougars was ending
the season ranked. That just shows how screwy the polls are. You enjoy that
wacky schedule and your meaningless ranking. We'll stick with the
excitement of being in a great conference.
MLHdid you ever see Colorado play?Yes, the Utes made the
Buffs look like a good team.Unfortunately, I also saw Hawaii pummel
Colorado 34-17, the same Hawaii team that BYU beat in Hawaii 41-20, the week
after Colorado took the Utes to the woodshed.It's funny how
Utah fans love to beat their chests about BEATING Top 25 teams, but pretend that
BEING a Top 25 isn't anything special, at least not when it's BYU that
ranked, instead of Utah.It just shows that 95% of these U fans have
All this talk is great but as Al admitted, the football game is the only thing
to really brag about. Basketball is second and unfortunately we all know the
Utes have a long way back to greatness. It will come though.I cannot
wait for the season to start! The byU game is always interesting even if it is a
blow out. With Cal, Arizona and of course USC coming into SLC, is there a better
home line up in the state? Not even close. Love it.Go Utes!
Magna Ute FanIt's funny how the polls are only "flawed"
when they favor BYU over Utah.Actually, BYU, had several highlights
in 2011:-Having another overall good 10+ win season with no losses
to teams BYU was supposed to beat-Having solid road games against a couple
of great teams - Texas and TCU -Having 11 of 13 games nationally televised
on ESPN-Enjoying a spectacular game winning drive against the Aggies-Finishing the season with an exciting bowl win over a very good Tulsa teamTulsa, btw, was ranked in the Top 25 by Sagarin before the bowl, and
finished #35, behind #34 BYU, but ahead of #39 Utah and #56 Georgia Tech
LonestarRunner-So you weren't supposed to beat Utah in LES?
That's certainly not what I heard from cougar fans before the game.
Shouldn't a top 25 team beat an unranked team at home? An
"overall good 10+ win season" against the mighty dregs of the wac? You
must be joking! Those are mutually exclusive conditions. Have another round of
blue cool-aid on me.
utahcountyute"the football game is the only thing to really brag
about"Unfortunately, for U, since none of your other teams are
even competitive."With Cal, Arizona and of course USC coming
into SLC, is there a better home line up in the state?"Agreed,
thanks to USC and BYU.But, it's ironic that the only game on
Utah's home schedule that Utah absolutely HAS to win... is the
BYU game.2011 Records of Utah's 2012 Home OpponentsUSC
10-2BYU 10-3Cal 7-6Ariz 4-8WSU 4-8No Colo 0-11
TrueBlueSorry, but Utah hasn't "held a advantage over
BYU" in any decade since the 60's - not head-to-head, not in conference
championships, and not in Top 25 finishes.------------How about "Quest for Perfections"?2000s: Utah 2 BYU 0You can keep your 2 #25 finishes they pale in comparison to 12-0 and
13-0 seasons.You haven't done anything on the "national
scale" since 1996, that's a fact not fiction ask Hawaii fans.
Other's have already said it.Why do desperate BYU fans keep posting
stats that nobody outside of Cougarland cares about.Its all you have, very
@CougarOnTheProwlOh please...Utah Defense 14BYU
10Again with a 3-2 turnover margin Utah 21 BYU 10 (aka GAME
OVER).The only reason you were ranked was because of USC, figure it
UteologyTypical Utah fan basing an entire decade on a couple of good
seasons; just like basing an entire season on one game.On a national
scale,Top 15 FinishesBYU 3Utah 2National
Individual Award WinnersBYU 1 (Doak Walker Award for Nations Best Running
Back)Utah 02004 and 2008 is the ONLY thing Utah has ever
accomplished on a national scale, and your undefeated 2004 team didn't beat
anybody - it was a complete joke that Pittsburgh was even invited to the Fiesta
Bowl.Call us when U win your first national award of any kind!
idahopotatoUtah fans whine about BYU fans posting stats, because
Utah fans can't handle any facts that disprove their crimson-colored of
themselves.Utah fans refuse to balance the highs of 2004 (even
though you didn't beat anybody) and 2008, with the lows of getting shut out
by 10-loss UNLV, getting blown out by TCU, BSU and Notre Dame and plummeting out
of the Top 5, or getting embarrassed at home by 10-loss Colorado.BYU
finished in the Top 25 in 2011, despite the blowout loss to Utah, because BYU
didn't lose to any bad teams.Utah wasn't good enough to be
ranked because the Utes couldn't beat one of the worst teams in the
country, 10-loss Colorado.Whining about it won't change the
fact that BYU deserved to be ranked and Utah didn't.
Truth Machine-All your "national awards" and $1.75 will buy
you a cup of cocoa at 7-11, but they haven't been enough to propel you into
a BCS bowl or a good football conference. You've been on a down hill slide
since late in Lavell's career.
Magna Ute FanOne game does not a season make...unless,
of course, you live in Uteville, where beating BYU is the end-all-be-all of your
existence.Besides BYU, who of significance did Utah beat in 2011, in
any men's sport?It's laughable that a supposedly superior
"conference of champions" program has been reduced to basing the success
of their entire athletic program on one game against a supposedly irrelevent,
@Uteology "You haven't done anything on the "national scale"
since 1996, that's a fact not fiction ask Hawaii fans."BYU
finished 2011 ranked #25 in the NATION, meaning that we were actually considered
relevant by the rest of the nation. Curiously enough, I couldn't find Utah
mentioned anywhere in those rankings.The only thing Utah did on a
'national scale' last year was to help Colorado end the nation's
longest road losing streak which, I will admit, was pretty epic.Congratulations :)Go Cougars!
ChewbaccaBYU doesn't need to hang onto skirts of truly
accomplished programs in order to feel successful.Your BCS bowls and
"good" football conference haven't been good enough to propel you
into a national championship, a Heismans Trophy, a Doak Walker Award, a Sammy
Baugh Award, a Davey O'Brien Award, an Outland Trophy, or a National
College Football Hall of Fame player.The PAC 12 got just what it
wanted when it invited Utah, a punching bag for the big boys of the conference
to pad their conference records and filler so that the PAC 12 could play a
conference championship game. Get used to 4-5 finishes.Utah
wasn't invited to the PAC 12 because of its excellent overall athletic
program, because Utah has never had an excellent overall athletic program, as
evidenced by being dominated by BYU overall for most of the last 40 years.Call us when you when your FIRST national college football award of any
"WIN" your FIRST national college football award of any kind.
deductive reasoning-I will grant you that byu was a great program
under Lavell. That was a long time ago. "BYU doesn't need
to hang onto skirts of truly accomplished programs in order to feel
successful" because they are fully satisfied beating up on the sisters of
the poor. When was your last meaningful victory? Oklahoma? Our BCS bowls WERE enough to propel us into a great conference. And,
unlike the cougars, we're still on an upward trajectory.
Apparently the avatar known as deductive reasoning is suffering from selective
pouting.The fact still remains that no matter how many football awards BYU
has won, No Conference Will Take Us. After all this time it has not happened.
What do a supposed number of awards have to do with Utah? Absolutely
nothing. What does Utah have to do with our WAC scheduling, and lack of a
conference invite? Absolutely nothing.If all the awards BYU has won
actually meant something. We would be in a conference by now. Get over it.How does it "feel to be successful" BYU fans?I want
results, not happy go lucky feel good all over fuzzies.
It's nice to be in a major conference, but it doesn't mean anything
until the Utes actually win a conference championship. As far as I
know, not a single Utah men's team finished with a winning conference
record in 2011-12. It could be many years before the Utes are even competitive,
let alone championship contenders, in any sport besides Women's
Gymnastics.Give BYU their due; the Cougars have proven that
they're already competitive on a national scale in many sports - a national
championship in Rugby; a serious national championship contender in Men's
Volleyball, and strong national showings in Cross-Country and Track &
Field.And, despite the naysayers, total domination across the board
in head-to-head competition with Utah, except for Women's Gymnastics and
"Why do desperate (Ute) fans keep posting stats that nobody outside of
Cougarland cares about."54-10 is good example. Obviously the
Coach's Poll didn't care about that score. What they did notice was
17-14. Had the Utes won that game then things very well could have been
different but... they didn't. Deal with it.It never ceases to
amaze me how Ute fans are so willing to flush the toilet on basketball,
gymnastic, golf, volleyball, soccer, baseball, swimming, rugby, track and other
athletes at the expense of their precious football team that was 8th place and
4-5 in their conference.So much for loyalty and school honor,
typical Ute mentality we see everyday on these boards. Only a handful of
honorable comments by rational Ute fans over this, hats off to the few of
you.You can't deny the facts when they are so blatantly
disclosed. Nothing like squawking Utes fans when things don't
go their way in this rivalry.
It just goes to show how much money plays a factor in winning. A state run
school can't pump scholarship money into their Olympic sports. All that
will change with the new money coming from the PAC12 deal. Congrats
to the cougs, if this article wasn't written, then I would have had no idea
it even happened. That's how much I care. This is your peak cougar fans,
enjoy it because you can only go down from here.GO UTES!
Hey sammyg. I would think ESPN cares. They stuffed that blue kitty with a
contract. They got smoked 54-10 on prime time TV. The BYU experiment did not
generate good ratings nationally last season. Look for more to be passed along
to BYUtv so sports fans can watch real games.
@No Conference "The fact still remains that no matter how many football
awards BYU has won, No Conference Will Take Us."Who cares? BYU
doesn't need a conference to be relevant, while Utah has shown that even
with being in the PAC 12, U are still irrelevant and nobody cares about U.I'll compare the two newest members of the PAC 12 to illustrate:-Since 2004-Colorado: 39-61 record, 0 BCS bowl appearances.Utah: 77-25 record, 2 BCS bowl appearances.And for all of that
wonderful pedigree, Utah's first EVER PAC 12 game gets relegated to MWC
Lite (Versus), while the Buffs got their showdown with the Trojans on ESPN.In fact, the PAC 12 aired 6 CU games on its networks, while they decided
to only air 4 Utah games.Irrelevance = KJZZ having to air 6 of your
games because your own conference refuses to.Utah had 2 games on the
ESPN networks. BYU had 11, and BYU's RUGBY team had as many appearances on
ESPNU as the Utes football team.BYU doesn't need a conference
to be relevant. Your conference doesn't respect U or think you're
Chewbacca"...unlike the Cougars, we're still on an upward
trajectory."lolUtah2008 13-0, #2/#42009
10-3, #18/#182010 10-3, ur/#232011 8-5, unranked, with losses toUSC 10-2Wash 7-6ASU 6-7Cal 7-6and that
humiliating home loss to Colorado 3-108th place in the PAC 12,
without a single win over a conference opponent with a winning recordonly a delusional Utah fan would interpret that as an "upward"
"A state run school can't pump scholarship money into their Olympic
sports."Then how do you explain Utah's success in
Women's Gymnastics or the rise and fall of Men's Basketball?The truth is, Utah never has had, and never will have, the broad base of fan
support that BYU enjoys.Lack of fans is why Utah still plays in a
crackerbox-sized stadium despite the millions pumped into RES by the 2002
Olympics.Lack of interest in Utah's Olympic sports is the real
issue Utah has never had much success in the Olympic sports, not lack of
money.Just as in basketball, Utah football fans only show up when
the team is having success. A few more years of losing conference records and
bad losses to teams like 10-loss Colorado, and RES will look just like the HC -
a vast sea of empty red chairs.
Men's 2011-12 National Ranking/Final ResultFootball
(Coaches/AP)BYU #25/#26Utah unrankedBasketball
(Sagarin)BYU #40Utah #294Baseball (NCAA RPI)BYU
#156Utah #203Cross-Country (USTFCCCA)BYU #3Utah
didn't participateIndoor Track & Field (USTFCCCA)BYU
#9Utah didn't participateOutdoor Track & Field (NCAA
Tournament)BYU #21Utah didn't participateVolleyball
(AVCA Div I-II Coaches)BYU #4Utah didn't participateRugby (USA Rugby)BYU #1 - National ChampionsUtah #4but, as the kids on the hill continue obsess about, Utah did win ONE early
season game in football
truecoug1 said in response to:"@No Conference "The fact
still remains that no matter how many football awards BYU has won, No Conference
Will Take Us."Who cares? BYU doesn't need a conference to
be relevant, while Utah has shown that even with being in the PAC 12, U are
still irrelevant and nobody cares about U......BYU doesn't need
a conference to be relevant. Your conference doesn't respect U or think
you're relevant.Ouch."Thank you truecoug1.
Thank you for continuing the BYU fan legacy of mediocracy. College
athletics does not revolve around Provo. And its not a matter of BYU being
relevant. More wishful thinking there.Power conferences don't need
BYU to be relevant themselves.LOL! How you get all worked up over
Utah in the Pac 12. Relax. Go make some rolls, green jello and enjoy the
evening. Because nobody outside of the state takes your program seriously. Ouch!
When the PAC12 invited us to be their punching bg they knew what they were
doing. We didn't win one championship in one single sport. We actually
finished at the bottom of the conference in almost every single sport. My fellow
Utah fans like to say what a success our football season was but we had a losing
record, lost to one of the worst teams in the nation, at home, and didn't
even play the two best schools in our conference.These schools knew
what they were doing when they invited us,that is for sure. And for all of that
they aren't even letting us get paid for 4 years. Ouch.
PAC 12 Punching BagAre you my long lost brother? The
applause sign is on!
@No ConferenceUtah's 6 good years were in the same Conference U
now disparage. That is so emblamatic of a wannabee coat-tailer
psychology.The U grasps for anything to find relevancy. Phony though it
may be.Conference Crutch.We hear the U is building a Hall of
Fame Room/Closet.It's rumored BYU will let you display their
Hardware, if you promise not to break them.As we all know, there will be
alot of empty shelves at the U.I'm sure U would love to dispaly
BYU's...-National Championship-Football (5 Trophies from
1984, including the Waterford Crystal Coaches Trophy)-A Heisman
Memorial Trophy-Outlands, Davey O'Briens, Doak Walker, Sammy
Baugh's, National Coach of the Year's (3), 17 National Awards in
Football alone. 7 Hall of Fame inductees, An NFL and Super Bowl MVP Trophies.
60+ All-Americans, 16 Consensus-football.Throw in 2 NPOY winners in
Basketball. Masters, US Open and British Open winners. 13
National Championships in 7 Sports, nearly half of all Conference Championships
over 40 years BYU has 4 times the All-Americans Utah has ever
produced (all-sports).BTW ESPN is outside of Provo.
Obviously Utah didn't want to be there.
Let BYU do whatever they "choose" to do. After this year, when BYU gets
crunched again by Utah.....who cares? Honestly, who really cares, other than BYU
fans? Let BYU find their mediocre support. I could care less. If we meet BYU in
a decent bowl game.......let us talk then. BYU is "OLD" news. Shoot, I
hope we can give USC a great challenge. BYU matters not. BYU is Big Sky/WAC
Utah-Hawaii Alumyaaaaawn!denial is obviously a river
that flows from the hillBesides USC, BYU is the most anticipated
game on Utah's schedule. You know it, and so does every single Utah fan.
@NightOwlAmerica "Because nobody outside of the state takes your program
seriously."Lol, says the guy from Oregon who is on a a Utah
newspaper website to try to talk smack about the Cougs. Emphasis on the word
'try' :) Looks like YOU take the Cougars seriously.Final
2011 USA Today Coaches Poll: #25 BYUUtah: Unranked.Apparently
coaches from around the country took BYU seriously enough to vote the Cougs as
the 25th best team in the country.Curiously enough, they didn't
think Utah deserved that ranking. Again, your own conference
doesn't respect U, nor do they think U relevant enough to put you on
National TV. You got stuck on Versus against USC in your first ever PAC 12 game
while your new 'hated' rival, CU, got featured on ESPN against the
Trojans.Though I guess it's hard to take U seriously when U
lose to a 2-10 team on your home field to end their 2-year long road losing
streak, and when your football facilities are being run out of a trailer
park.So thanks for your inane babble and opinions, but give me some
facts next time and I might take U seriously.
I just don't care about BYU anymore. Let BYU go do what they wanna do. Utah
is in the PAC.......that is all I care about.
@UHA "I just don't care about BYU anymore."Says the guy
who has the vast majority of comments on every BYU article.Thanks
for showing us how much U 'dont care', lol.Go Cougars!
Why would the Utes not take the Y seriously? BlutoWe
don't want any of your stuff, you didn't earn it those great players
and teams from the past did. You were never part of it, all you did is watch
don't go saying things that will never happen, us Ute fans we could care
less about all that stuff. And buddy if you know anything about football the
Utes need something much bigger than a closet. Be proud of these
acomplishments, personally I got to see a lot of these accomplishments as a Ute
fan and they were a privaliage to see. But when guys like you come on here and
try to use that all against the U it just cheapens the whole thing, it's
not the players or the teams or even the coaches we dislike it's guys like
you that can't do anything but hate.
Utah State actually worries me, not BYU. They are last century's weird
problem.BYU needs to get lost.
@ Truecoug, I don't care about BY. I am worried about PAC games......not
BYU.Go find a battle. Utah is DONE with BYU.
@UHA "I don't care about BY."You know, it's funny,
the more U say that, the more I don't believe U.You're
apparently from Dallas. Great. I don't care about the Cowboys, or the
Longhorns, or the Horned Frogs, which is why I'm not on their comment
boards making comments.U, however, seem to be BYU's biggest
fan. Thanks for the love, man.You remind me of a little brother who
is stomping his feet and trying to get the attention of big brother because
little bro wants to be relevant. Big bro just looks down at U,
smiles, and pats U on the head in a conciliatory fashion.But again,
thanks for 'not caring' :)Go Cougars!
MLHtalk about hate. wow!
truecoug1Provo, UT@NightOwlAmerica "Because nobody outside of
the state takes your program seriously."Lol, says the guy from
Oregon who is on a a Utah newspaper website to try to talk smack about the
Cougs. Emphasis on the word 'try' :) Looks like YOU take the Cougars
seriously.Curiously enough, they didn't think Utah deserved
that ranking. Again, your own conference doesn't respect U, nor
do they think U relevant enough to put you on National TV. You got stuck on
Versus against USC in your first ever PAC 12 game while your new
'hated' rival, CU, got featured on ESPN against the Trojans.So thanks for your inane babble and opinions, but give me some facts next time
and I might take U seriously.____________________Yawn.
The level a BYU fan will go to and get nowhere. Comparing a WAC legacy with
Utah's first year in the PAC is meaningless. Every college football fan in
the country sees thru that.Anyone can post here. And why do BYU fans
obsess about posters from outside of the state of Utah anyway?
@wacpadding"Comparing a WAC legacy with Utah's first year
in the PAC is meaningless."So utah's stellar 4-5 conference
record, with 5 home games and only 4 road games, and not having to play the top
2 teams in the conference, is far and away better than what utah accomplished in
that lesser conference the mwc? I guess you'll never boor us with 2004 and
2008 again since they pale in comparison to 2011 and "4-5". LOL!
@WACPadding "Comparing a WAC legacy with Utah's first year in the PAC
is meaningless." Not sure where I was comparing BYU's WAC
legacy with Utah's first year in the PAC. I was actually just pointing out
how irrelevant that Utah is, since a 3-10 Colorado team got more air time from
the PAC 12 than U did. And since your football facilities are
currently located in a trailer park. Now that's just sad.As
for the whole 'anyone can post here', I completely support and welcome
it. BYU is a national brand, made all the more evident by U, UHA, and NightOwl
constantly commenting on BYU articles and showing your support from Idaho,
Texas, and Oregon. BYU is the standard that Utah holds itself to.
That has been true and will continue to be true. U and the other U fans can
stomp your feet and try to make us think you're relevant all U want by
running your mouths on BYU boards, but we'll just pat U on the head, smile,
and move forward with being relevant on the national scene.Enjoy
that PAC 12 high-chair (and KJZZ)!Go Cougars!
Is BYU fans posting without thinking what they say the norm here? We have rowdy
Gator fans down this way. But even they would laugh at how narrow your arguments
TrueCoug1 said..."And since your football facilities are
currently located in a trailer park. Now that's just sad."Perfect, nailed it, hilarious, I'm still belly laughing... I just
can't stop. That's so dang funny.
How shallow my fellow BYU fans are.Utah is building a new $30 million
dollar facility for their athletic dept.And we are still in the mop
closet. Independent and irrelevant. Said.
truecoug1Provo, UTAnd since your football facilities are
currently located in a trailer park. Now that's just sad.As for
the whole 'anyone can post here', I completely support and welcome it.
BYU is a national brand,____Nah just the experience.
54-10 is a trailer park trash reality.And you are right. BYU is a
brand. A brand that no football fan (outside of BYU) or conference cares about.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"I just don't care about BYU
anymore."Which of course explains why 99.9% of your posts are
totally obsessed with BYU.Hating BYU more than you care about Hawaii
or Utah isn't the same as not caring about BYU.--------------------No ClueIt's hillarious how
totally obsessed the kids on the hill are with trying to convince themselves
that BYU is irrelevant.What's even funnier is Utah spending all
that money to expand their football facilities when they still play in a mop
closet-sized stadium.Irrelevant equals 8th place in your conference
and not a single vote in the national polls.
No Conference NeededUtah's New Football Facility - $30
millionBYU's $30,000 Waterford Crystal Football National
Championship Trophy - PRICELESS!!!
Utah-Hawaii Alum"BYU needs to get lost."Still
sore about not being good enough to play golf for BYU?Get over it
Utah-Hawaii and others of the same ilk. Your posts are hilarious.I
get this mental picture of you, teeth clenched, sweat dripping down your
forehead, one eyelid twitching, pounding on the keyboard, "I don't care
about BYU, I don't care about BYU, I don't care about BYU! . . .
@ BlutoThat is an impressive list, but how many of those
accomplishments are recent or relevant? Using your logic Army and Princeton are
still premier programs.
Finchling"...how many of those accomplishments are recent or
relevant"BYU has MORE National Individual Awards Winners this
century,and almost as many Top 25 Finishes in the last SIX years,as Utah has in its ENTIRE HISTORY!Finishing #25/#26 in 2011
recent relevancy.Not getting a single vote in either poll is not.
TheSportsAuthorityArlington, VAFinchling"...how many
of those accomplishments are recent or relevant"BYU has MORE
National Individual Awards Winners this century,and almost as many
Top 25 Finishes in the last SIX years,as Utah has in its ENTIRE
HISTORY!Finishing #25/#26 in 2011 recent relevancy.Not
getting a single vote in either poll is not.--Sigh.Our awards amount to a pile of cracker jack prizes. We only care
what's in the box. BCS conferences have not cared about our awards for the
past 40+ years. Sadly but not surprisingly fellow BYU fans will not accept or
I am not looking forward to BYUs 1st loss or any loss this season. All my fellow
BYU fans will do is blame the refs or anything else they can think of. I'm
not surprised by anything anymore. Somewhere down the line fellow BYU fans will
also blame Utah when we lose to Boise St. and others. Talk about a desperate
scenic viewBaltimore, MDNo Conference NeededUtah's
New Football Facility - $30 millionBYU's $30,000 Waterford
Crystal Football National Championship Trophy - PRICELESS!!!--Yes I get warm fuzzies as well thinking about that trophy collecting
dust. But is that all you care about? I want BYU to win another title. Not live
off a WAC legacy and independent scheduling that guarantees medeocracy.
SAWe all know Utah does not have a history of national football
dominance. What you fail to mention is that almost all of Utah's ranked
finishes (including twice in the top 5) have happened this decade. Utah is
growing as a program and there is reason for optimism due to the advantages and
opportunities the PAC-12 provides.As for BYU; merely finishing in
the top 25 is their ceiling. It's the best Cougars fans have to hope for.
And considering last year's effort of losing to every decent team and
beating the nobodies, the accomplishment of finishing ranked really doesn't
look that impressive anymore.Finally, national award winners are
great and you certainly can't take anything away from those players, but
football is a team game. I would much rather have bowl victories than individual
My fellow Utah fans just don't get what a true national legacy is made
from. They continue to believe that being ranked a couple of times per decade
and winning a couple of bowls games suddenly makes us relevent. It takes years,
no it takes decades, to build a real legacy. It doesn't happen by simply
aligning ourselves with schools far more accomplished and far more successful
than we ever have been. I'd like us to just have 1 national
award winner, just 1. Maybe have 1 college hall of fame player, just 1. Nothing
like that is even on the horizon for us.It is embarrassing really.
FinchlingSorry, Utah had two great seasons, but has been in steady
decline since 2008.BYU has FIVE Top 25 Finishes in the last 6 years;
Utah only threeBYU has THREE Top 15 Finishes in the last 6 years;
Utah only one.BYU have FIVE 10+ win seasons in the last 6 years;
Utah only one.Head-to-head, BYU and Utah are tied at 3 apiece during
the last 6 years.But, Utah does hold one "advantage"...Utah has TWO losses to 10+ loss teams during the last 6 years,BYU only has TWO losses to 10+ loss teams...during BYU's
entire football history.Football is indeed a team sport, but
individual national awards are as much a team award as they are an individual
award. Luke Staley wouldn't have been voted the Best Running Back in the
nation, without having a great offensive line to block for him, nor without
having a great quarterback and great receivers to keep BYU from being a
one-dimensional offense.As far as bowl victories, I'll take
finishing in the Top 25 over winning a meaningless bowl game anyday.
No ConfidenceYou can drop the jealo"us" charade; NOBODY
believes you've ever been a BYU fan. The only "fuzzy"
you get from BYU's Waterford Crystal Football National Championship Trophy,
is the gnawing emptiness you feel while staring at the vast emptiness that is
Utah's trophy case - completely devoid of a single national award of any
independence errrrrrr irrelevance brings out the best in BYU fans!Look no
further than the same cut & paste regurgitated stats.Yay team!
Lets settle for playing patsies to pad our schedule. And then we can cheer our
team to a No 23-25 ranking.
SA6 years? The timelines BYU fans give are always entertaining.
This time it's 6, for an NC its 28 years, and for the rivalry it can be up
to 40 years.Claiming Utah is in steady decline is laughable. Moving
to the PAC-12 has been a huge step forward for Utah football and the athletics
program as a whole. The U has added new stadiums and facilities in several
sports. Utah is growing and taking the steps necessary to compete in one of, if
not the, greatest conference in the NCAA. That doesn't look like decline in
my book.Also nice spin on the head-to-head record. Utah has won 3
out of 4, including the last two.Whittingham said it best, "We
do consider it a rivalry even though of late it hasn't been very
competitive as far as the win-loss. But it is a rivalry nonetheless in our
eyes."As I said, BYU's 10 win and top 25 finishes are
unimpressive due to who those wins are against.
"Moving to the PAC-12 has been a huge step forward for Utah football and the
athletics program as a whole."Give me one single example of how
Utah "improved" in 2011-12 over Utah's last year in the MWC. Saying
it, doesn't make it so. EVERY Utah men's team finished with a losing
conference record in 2011-12.Whittingham is sooooo delusional;
during the Bronco/Kyle era, Kyle holds a slight 4-3 advantage in head-to-head
versus Bronco, but in overall performanceBronco has more Top 25
finishesBronco has more 10+ win seasonsand Bronco has NEVER
lost to a conference bottom-dweller.Kyle lost to EVERY MWC
bottom-dweller - CSU, Wyo, NM, and UNLV - in the MWC,and he's
continuing that same dubious "distinction" in the PAC 12,losing to
10-loss Colorado and barely beating WSU in overtime.From 13-0 #2/#4
Conference Champions to 8-5 UNRANKED with a LOSING conference record is a HUGE
decline whether the crimson-glasses wearing kids on the hill want to admit it,
twoferWhat Utah fans don't seem to be to grasp is,it's not only who you beat, but also who you don't lose to, that
matters when ranking an entire season.BYU has been a perennial 10+
win, Top 25 team, since 1977 because, unlike the Utes, the Cougars seldom lose
to bad teams.You can disparage BYU's 2011 schedule all you want
to, but, bottom line, BYU didn't lose to ANY teams that finished with
losing records.Utah lost to TWO teams with losing records, including
one of the worst teams in the country, and barely avoided losing to 8-loss
WSU.Utah not only loses to bad teams, Utah gets dominated by bad
teams, shutout by 10-loss UNLV and completely dominated at home in the first
half by 10-loss Colorado.
Why do my fellow Utah fans continue to claim that finishing with a losing
conference record is a huge step forward? That doesn't make any sense at
all. Just because the PAC 12 chose us to be their punching bag doesn't make
us anything great, we're still just filler and an easy win for the top
programs. They did throw us a bone and didn't make us play the two top
programs in the conference for the 1st two years, they even gave us more home
games (5) than road games (4) the first year, but even then we couldn't win
more than we lost. Our new reality is that of an also ran in an ok
conference. My fellow Utah fans need to just grasp reality and enjoy the few and
occasional moments we will have.
'91Read the next two sentences. "The U has added new
stadiums and facilities in several sports. Utah is growing and taking the steps
necessary to compete in one of, if not the, greatest conference in the
NCAA."I realize the Olympic sports struggled in their first
year, but Utah is investing the money to bring these sports up to Pac-12
standards. The construction of a new softball stadium, track complex, tennis
complex, state of the art football training facility, and future plans for a
basketball training facility and football stadium expansion all point to the
fact that Utah's athletic program is moving forward, aka improving.Going undefeated and winning the Sugar Bowl is not a normal season for
Utah football. Winning 8-9 games, beating BYU, and winning a bowl game is more
normal for the Utes so I wouldn't say the program is in decline. 2011 was
just an average year for the Utes, except this time they were competing in a
tougher conference with a DII QB.
@cougies posting about the U decline since 2008. I'm can't believe how
brilliant minded you are. In 2008 the utes didn't loose a game and finished
ranked 2nd in the entire nation. So yeah unless the finished 1st or 2nd in
2009/2010/2011 it would mean they declined. That declining team
however still waxed the Y by 44 points on their home feild! You talk about last
years success because the Y was top 25. Alright then I guess they were by
default becasue USC wasn't included. They beat one team that played in a
bowl game Utah St. in which they needed a miracle tipped pass on their home
feild to win. They again were beat down by 44 points by their rival on their
home feild. So ok then if you want to call that season a success
I'll give the Y credit for a succesful season. If the situation were
completley switched however and Utah had the Y's season I would not be a
happy fan. I think if some of you stepped back put the hatred aside you probably
feel the same way.
twofer"The U has added new stadiums and facilities in several
sports. Utah is growing and taking the steps necessary to compete"Laying the groundwork to being competitive and actually being competitive are
two VASTLY different things.Utah's olympic sports have always
struggled, and so far, NOTHING has changed except for improving Utah's
facilities. Shiny new facilities, however, are meaningless until you actually
improve the product that plays in those facilities.------------------2BThe team that waxed the Y by 44 points,
still wasn't good enough to beat a 10-loss team at home, while the team
that got waxed was still good to finish in the Top 25.One game does
not a season make. Someday, maybe, are little brothers will grasp this simple
@sammyg :)@NoConference "How shallow my fellow BYU fans are.
Utah is building a new $30 million dollar facility for their athletic
dept."How ignorant this "fellow" BYU fan is. Bro, BYU
has had state-of-the-art, BCS-caliber facilities for 5 years. Our Indoor
Practice Facility is top-notch and our Legacy Hall Sports Facility is
incredible. We also have some of the best broadcasting facilities in the entire
nation.It's nice that Utah finally got the memo that we're
living in the 21st Century. However, I'm pretty sure that when BYU was
building its Legacy Hall facilities, the Cougars' football facilities
weren't being run out of a trailer park. That's just
hilarious! Your state of the program = a losing record in conference play,
tying with Oregon St for the least amount of games the PAC 10 aired last
season...and your football facilities being run out of a trailer park.And one perfect storm, epic meltdown from your rival that resulted in a big
win, which is what gets U fans through the day.As always, BYU is,
and will continue to be, the standard U hold yourself to.Go Cougars!
My fellow BYU fans will never understand or accept the facts.Fancy toys,
trophies, HD truck and other things being boasted about have not given us a real
conference invite over the past 40+ years.And right as said before.
Why post the same stats and awards over and over again? It has got us nowhere
other than boosting our wins by playing WAC teams. And most of all makes fellow
BYU fans look embarrassing.
It's also embarrassing how fellow BYU fans are desperately trying to pick
apart Utah's 1st season in the PAC 12.Some of my fellow BYU fans just
can't get over the fact that we were not invited, and No Conference Will
Take Us.And if and when the time comes we do go somewhere. We will
be a middle of the road team anyway. We could not compete week after week in a
conference like the BIG 12. we are better off independent playing WAC teams.
My fellow Utah fans will never understand or accept the facts.Being
invited to be the punching bag of a conference is nothing for us to boast about.
It was obviously a good move for the PAC 12 as we finished with losing records
in almost every single sport. And right as said before. Why post the
same 54-10 score over and over again? It has gotten us nowhere in convincing
anyone we should have been ranked above BYU. In the end all of the pollsters
were far more impressed with BYU's 10-3 season than our 8-5 season with a
losing conference record and a home loss to the worst road team in the entire
NCAA. And most of all makes fellow Utah fans look embarrassing.
I's also embarrassing how fellow Utah fans are desperately trying to pick
apart BYU's 1st independent season.Some of my fellow Utah fans just
can't get over the fact that Utah is completely incapable of doing that
same thing. We must have better schools to prop us up and carry us.And if and when the time comes we find ourselves improved. We will be at best
a middle of the PAC team anyway. We can't compete week after week in a
conference like the PAC 12. We were better off in the MWC playing Wyoming, UNLV,
CSU, and NM. Of course we still managed to lose to all of them so I guess losing
to Colorado might be considered better than losing to UNLV.
@No Conference "Some of my fellow BYU fans just can't get over the fact
that we were not invited, and No Conference Will Take Us."And as
I've said before, who cares? We've got ESPN, independence, a national
brand, and a nationwide following.U have a trailer park and KJZZ.I posted the following on another article, so here are some more of
those 'repetitive' fun stats for U No Conference (BTW, I love how U
fans get upset when BYU fans post stats and figures over and over again, since U
have nothing to counter it with except your inane opinions, lol):Number of time Utah was on National (national being ESPN networks, ABC, NBC,
etc) TV during 2011 regular season: 2National TV appearances for
comparable 'relevant' teams:Kansas: 1 (yay, U beat the 2-10
Jayhawks)Duke: 4Maryland: 6Iowa St.: 3Ol' Miss:
7Colorado: 3Oregon St.: 2Kentucky: 6Syracuse: 5That's some good, relevant company there.National Appearances
for ACTUAL relevant teams during regular season:Alabama: 9LSU: 10Oregon: 7Stanford: 8Oklahoma: 8Florida St.: 10BYU:
10Keep trying, little brother.Go Cougars!
Here we go again with stat obsessed kitty cat fans. That's easy to
understand, its all you have.Look at the list you created with your
meltdown truecoug1. TV ratings for BYU are nowhere near the other teams you
mentioned. And please for the sake of their fans, don't compare BYU with
Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma and the rest.Come on, BYU is not relevant at all in
that category. BYU can be on TV 50 times and it only matters to BYU hopefuls
like yourself. If you don't win nobody else will watch, and nobody outside
of Provo is listening.How many names do you go by here?
truecoug1 said:" And as I've said before, who cares?
We've got ESPN, independence, a national brand, and a nationwide
following.U have a trailer park and KJZZ."Uh huh.
Another one of those "feel successful" moments again.Who cares
what you have. How can anyone be proud of a WAC legacy masquerading as a
national brand?At the end of the day its what the scoreboard says.
*Considers the 160+ comments, reads about a dozen, decides to ignore them
all.*Congrats to BYU on winning this. Hopefully things will improve
for Utah in the coming years with PAC-12 recognition though I suspect BYU
probably will consistently win this most years. After all, let's face it,
Utah's at a natural disadvantage when it comes to drawing recruits for a
lot of these sports compared to BYU since BYU has automatic national reach due
to being the LDS school so they have a pretty decent shot at a huge chunk of the
1.7% of the nation (and probably more like 2-2.5% of the recruits considering
the LDS church is a young people's church because of larger family size).
Utah well... there's no obvious reason for a tennis player from say...
pennsylvania to go to Utah. I imagine that'd be a similar story for BYU if
it were a public school.
@NightOwlAmericaHere we go again with opinion obsessed Utie fans.
That's easy to understand, it's all U have."TV ratings
for BYU are nowhere near the other teams you mentioned." Any
stats to back that claim up? Everything I've seen has our TV ratings from
1.4 (interestingly enough, that happened against U) to 3.1 (Texas game, though
TCU was pretty high, too). Not great, but definitely not bad, and definitely
better than KJZZ.I'm not comparing the TEAM to powerhouse
programs like Alabama, Oklahoma, etc. Those teams are perennial powerhouses,
though BYU has proven to be a perennial Top 25 team.I was simply
pointing out that ESPN and other networks air more games of teams that are
RELEVANT than teams that aren't. As I have pointed out
numerous times, your own conference doesn't think U are relevant. U tied
Oregon St for the fewest number of games aired on the PAC 10 networks, your one
game on ESPN2 was because of your big brother in Provo, and BYU's RUGBY
team had as many games on ESPNU as U.U are irrelevant and U
haven't posted anything to contradict that.
@atl134But BYU isn't a public school, it is a private school.
And you are correct BYU has advantages, and always will. pac12 membership is not
going help utah much when it comes to these sports, if anything they may get
worse results because the pac12 is known for Olympic sports so competing against
schools that are generally at, or near, the top of the nation in these types of
sports is just not realistic. The fact utah was only at best spottily
competitive in the MWC and the WAC in these things does not bode well.But since you didn't read the comments, and I can't really blame you
for that, let me just fill you in on them.BYU fans "we're
obviously better overall than utah in our athletic department".utah "fans" "we don't care ut anything other than football,
54-10, and BYU is irrelevent anyway".So no you do not need to go
back and read any of it because it is all right there.
@NightOwlAmerica "How can anyone be proud of a WAC legacy masquerading as a
national brand?"As opposed to being proud of a non-WAC legacy
program masquerading as a 'relevant' team in a 'big boy'
conference?Of course I'm proud of BYU. They're the
flagship football program of the state that U compare yourself to, as evidenced
by your comment "At the end of the day its what the scoreboard says."
Like I've said before, that is what gets Ute fans through the
day, the complete meltdown, 7 TO gift by their rival that led to a big win. U know U aren't relevant and U know that the PAC 12 doesn't
think U are relevant. BYU has set the standard for U fans. Why else would U be
on here, hailing all the way from Oregon, stomping your feet and trying to get
the attention of Big Brother in Provo? Why aren't U on the
Oregon Duck boards, stomping your feet and proclaiming how you're going to
beat them in the CCG this year?Answer: because BYU is the standard U
hold yourself to. Once a little bro, always a little bro.
Lol, I should've put "As opposed to a NON-legacy WAC program..."
Blast, I botched that smack talk :)
NOAHow can anyone be proud of a conference punching bag masquerading
as a big boy?8th in football11th in basketball11th of 11
in baseball12th in golf - +59 over par, 16 strokes behind 11th place5th of 6 in swimming - 258 points behind 4th place7th of 8 in tennisdoesn't even compete in cross-country, indoor or outdoor track
& fieldaverage Utah finished - 2nd to lastCall us
when U win your first PAC 12 championship in ANY sport besides women's
gymnastics.BYU has better chance of winning a championship against
PAC 12 teams than Utah.
"Cougars win war vs. Utes despite gridiron meltdown"Bottom
line:Independent BYU > PAC 12 Utah
@ Just the FAXI agree with you. My point is that the move to the
PAC-12 has been good for the athletics program at the U and that putting money
into the olympic sports will help improve them. Now I doubt Utah will ever be a
perennial contender in most of the olympic sports but I think with time and
monetary investment Utah will be able to compete at an adequate level in conf.
@Two For FlinchingYou seem like a fairly reasonable Utah fan, which
is something sorely lacking around here, so here is a serious question and I
promise not to mock your answer.What do you mean by "compete at
an adequate level"? Or probably more precisely what level would you consider
adequate for Utah in their conference and what would satisfy you?
This all proves that BYU is "The University of Utah", and yes, 54-10 was
a fluke to relive ute stress.
@DHI think competing at an adequate level for olympic sports at Utah
would mean finishing in the top half of the conf. and possibly challenging for a
title (in each individual sport) a few times each decade. It's
unreasonable to expect the U to be a powerhouse in the olympic sports with the
number of perennial top 10 teams the Pac-12 boasts in every sport; especially
considering the advantages the California and Arizona schools naturally hold.
Hopefully the U will reach that elite level someday though.
@Two For FlinchingI agree, it is unreasonable to expect Utah to be a
powerhouse in that league. If they can be competitive, and win a few here and
there, then that is probably a realistic expectation.
Duckhunter is more interested in Utah's expectations than BYU.
Understandable. There is not much to expect from BYU.
@waccyActually BYU finished in the top 10 in two more sports this
last week as well as grabbing another couple of national championships over the
last month. That is on top of top 25 finishes in several other sports. BYU fans
EXPECT that, we're accustomed to it.Of course utah
"fans" like yourself are not accustomed to it nor do you expect it, and
why would you? utah has no real history of accomplishment in anything other than
a couple of sports and this last year they didn't really accomplish much of
anything in any sport other than womens gymnastics. As a matter of fact utah
finished at the bottom of their league in every single sport but womens
gymnastics were they managed to pull out a runner up. Congratulations? p.s. And as the article noted utah was dominated by BYU across the
board, not even close. Not even a competition really. Kinda pathetic.