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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 8, 2012 11:21 p.m.

    So BYU wins the Deseret Duel by dominance in the Olympic sports. That's not going to set well with the Ute fans.

    All I've heard since the Utes went to the 'Conference of Champions' was that it was all about the Olympic sports and that the Utes 'fit' right in.

    I'm ready to hear the excuses.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 9, 2012 5:23 a.m.

    YAAAAAAAAWN....54-10.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    June 9, 2012 5:48 a.m.

    Sam, your true cougarness always shines through.

    It would be great if the Utah-Byu rivalry game could continue. I enjoy the ocassional blowout, but all the close games are what makes the rivalry. Hope the cougs can improve their showing this year.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 9, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    The DNews has to keep writing these lame, hypothetical articles about BYU's greatly diminished relevance in college football and basketball. It's nauseating. Utah is moving on and BYU can't get an invite to ANY decent conference.......end of story.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 9, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    It's hard to make excuses when all of their sports but one finished with losing records in the pac12 but I'd like to hear what they come up with as well. My guess is we'll either not hear from any of them on here or else they'll all just post "54-10" a bunch of times.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 9, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    As another BYU fan astutely commented:

    "Despite the arrogant squawking from the hill, BYU once again proves that the Utes are all squawk, but no walk, when it comes to overall athletic program dominance."

    Final Head-to-Head and NATIONAL Results
    Overall BYU 8 Utah 3

    W Soccer BYU 5 Utah 0
    W Volleyball BYU 3 Utah 0
    Football Utah 54 BYU 10 (BYU #25/#26 Utah UNRANKED)
    M Basketball BYU 61 Utah 42 (BYU NCAA tournament)
    W Basketball BYU 63 Utah 58 (BYU NCAA tournament)
    M Swimming BYU 161 Utah 139
    W Swimming BYU 162 Utah 138
    W Gymnastics Utah 197.55 BYU 194.45 (Utah #5)
    M Tennis BYU 5 Utah 2
    W Tennis Utah 5 BYU 2
    Baseball BYU 9 Utah 8
    Baseball BYU 9 Utah 6
    Baseball Utah 6 BYU 4
    Rugby BYU 38 Utah 22 (BYU NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!)

    Of course, some delusional Utah fans will continue to spout their false propaganda about BYU's "diminished relevance in college football and basketball", but the truth is, conference affiliation doesn't mean diddly if U finish at the BOTTOM of the conference with a LOSING conference record in EVERY men's sport.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    June 9, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Congrats to BYU on winning the most coveted, most prestigious, most anticipated trophy in all of sports. With it's long history and tradition, this award is what our great rivalry has really always been about. We humbly cede bragging rights to you, though it seems your most ardent fans have already taken them. Hats off to you sirs.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    June 9, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    azute1

    yaaaaaaawn... BYU Top 25; Utah Unranked

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    This is bad, man, real bad. How many recruits are we going to lose to BYU because they have this odd made up trophy thing. Oh wait. None.

    yaaaaaaaaawn... BYU ranked 32 in the BCS poll. Cougars have a long ways to go to break into the party that Utah and TCU did twice.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 9, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    BYU got rid of their football meltdown, sent him to Kansas. Two years with Heaps, two losses to Utah. It will be a sad year for Utah next year, they won't be able to win anything against the Cougs....oops, except gymnastics.

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    June 9, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    I won't mince words. This is unacceptable for Ytah to take this kind if beating across all sports. The outcome in football is great, even with that "Top 25" finish by the Cougars. The other results show just how intently Mr. Hill has ignored all other sports in favor of football. Especially our once proud basketball program. Shame.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 9, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    It would be interesting to see what the results would have been if this had been around for 10 or 20 or 30 years. I'm pretty sure it would still come out with BYU winning 80%+ over any time frame you want to look at. It's been great being a Cougar for a very long time and the future is only going to be even better.

  • Fibonacci Centerville, UT
    June 9, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    As a Utah Grad - I proudly carry my Cougar Club membership card with me wherever I go and I thoroughly enjoy the wholesome game day atmosphere I experience as a season ticket holder. I'm proud of what BYU accomplishes across the board with their Football, Basketball and Baseball teams, as well as their Olympic sports Cheer and Dance teams (Cougarettes - I'm mean like how many times have they been National Champions?). I also appreciate their dominance in their club teams. Ruby is awesome (National Champion) and let's not forget BYU's Lacrosse Club who is a perennial national power in the MCLA league. I think it's time for BYU Lacrosse to go NCAA. Also - Is it true that the Utah Lacrosse club has NEVER beaten BYU in Lacrosse - ever? I'm proud that my kids have chosen to attend BYU over other schools in the state. When you look at the big picture BYU really is in a league of their own - and I for one like the big picture view.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 9, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum "The DNews has to keep writing these lame, hypothetical articles about BYU's greatly diminished relevance in college football and basketball."

    Basketball? Really? This comment adds perspective to all your other comments.

    BYU has a commanding lead in all other sports over Utah, except Football and Gymnastics over the last decade - including basketball.

    And in football it's not as big of difference as Utes would like to make it out to be. Since 2000 you've won 7 of 12, but the last 6 matchups are tied at 3 wins a piece. If it wasn't for the Crowton era, BYU would have dominated at football also.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    June 9, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Further proof that the Utes continue on a path of mediocrity and 'mid-majorey' performance.

    Good grief, the Utes were only average in the WAC and MWC overall with an occasional breakout. (except gymnastics) What's changed?

    I would say "get used to it Utes" but I would just be wasting words... they already have.

    Ouch!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 9, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    Good for BYU, at least it gives sammyg and Ducky some smack material until mid-September when one goes into the "fetal" position and the other to Tulsa for a week.

    Personally, my only concern is losing in basketball. Except for gymnastics I don't recall ever watching/following any other Utah program. Losing is never good, but priority is football and then basketball.

    As far as football the biggest game of this season is:

    Take 2: Pac-12 games we can't wait for (ESPN)

    Kevin Gemmell: I too enjoy a good measuring-stick game -- and I don't think there is a bigger one early in the season than USC's trip to Utah on Oct. 4...

    USC has the stronger offense -- even Utah fans won't dispute what the Trojans bring to the table with Matt Barkley and Co.-- but Utah's defensive line is as good as it gets. And one cannot throw the ball if one's face is buried in the turf.

    This projects to be a brutal, physical game with the winner taking decisive command of the Pac-12 South.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 9, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    @ CougfaninTX,

    Let's put this into perspective sir. I was on the UH golf team, WAC days, when BYU won their bogus NC in football. Actually, UH should have beaten the Cougs that year, Wyoming as well at LES. BYU was a private school with UNLIMITED amounts of money, competing against obscure state-owned schools in "once," sparsely populated regions. Of course BYU had every advantage.......and we ALL knew it. Why do you think that nobody likes BYU sir? They act terribly. boastful, condescending and arrogant. Well, years ago, they could claim that. Now, because they are so despised by EVERY fan-base that they have ever competed against, these state-owned schools like Utah that have made some serious noise, while BYU hasn't, and have passed them by in the 21st century....... Let me tell you something sir......"America's team," every week, is their(BYU's) opponent. BYU is a done deal my friend. And, It is about darn time. BYU is last century's bizarre aberration. You need to "realize" that in your obvious life of "folly."

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 9, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Congratulations to BYU and isn't it exciting to read the same posts from the same posters over and over again? Will be interesting to see how this phony competions works as the U is able to increase the athletic budget over the next few years. Regardless, I would trade a football win for losses in swimming, tennis, and soccer every year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 9, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    CougFaninTX

    And in football it's not as big of difference as Utes would like to make it out to be. Since 2000 you've won 7 of 12, but the last 6 matchups are tied at 3 wins a piece. If it wasn't for the Crowton era, BYU would have dominated at football also.

    -----------

    Actually since 2000 Utah is 7 of 11, the 12th game is this year. Over the last 6 years the three wins for BYU were only because of miracles, missed coverage/tackles by Utah. If it wasn't for those miracles BYU couldn't beat Utah without Edwards and Chow.

    Speaking of "domination" Utah has destroyed BYU 3 times in 8 years while BYU can't seem to beat Utah by more than 7 points since 1996.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 9, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    Keep those excuses and deflections coming Utes. They are great!

    Uteology

    I might have been disappointed with an occasional lack luster performance of the Cougars, but as far as being in a 'fetal' position, far from it. That's a standard 'form' in a Ute yoga class.

    I'm still hoping that cliff diving becomes an 'Olympic sport' for the 'Conference of Champions'. Like gymnastics the Utes certainly have an edge over BYU in that 'sport'.

    I will admit the Utes are resilient bunch. If I had suffered what they did in 2010 & 2011 in football and basketball, Chow leaving, Boylen leaving, 20 bb players, etc... well, need I say more.

    Here's a participation trophy and a certificate of achievement for your second place finish in the Deseret Duel.

    Thanks for playing.

  • Richard Smoker Provo, UT
    June 9, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Totally agree with you Duckhunter!

    I am waiting for the excuses as well. I don't want to hear that "it takes some time when you jump up a conference." All I heard was how the U of U was going to compete in the PAC-12 right away, now it's excuses when BYU wins the Duel or that you don't care about Olympic sports.

  • San Diego Orem, UT
    June 9, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    You would think Utah would relish the national TV exposure when they play BYU.

  • Itchy Lehi, UT
    June 9, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    What this proves is what most people have already know and that is that the Utes have built up their football program at the expense of all their other sports. I'm a Ute fan who is mostly okay with that since I really don't care much about any of the other sports. It is a little embarassing to be losers in all the other sports (especially basketball) but as long as the football program continues to thrive I'm fine with it.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 9, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Utah fans don't wanna see BYU ever again. For what reason? We are in the PAC! Utah is just fine, and BYU will play NMSU during "rivalry week." Who will watch that game in the USA? Not me! There, ya have it. BYU is a done deal. It is that simple.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 9, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum - "Let's put this into perspective sir. I was on the UH golf team, WAC days, when BYU won their bogus NC in football. Actually, UH should have beaten the Cougs that year."

    And New Mexico would have beaten Utah in 2008 if it weren't for a very controversial call, preventing U from your glorious BCS Bowl. I don't see your point.

    @Uteology - "the three wins for BYU were only because of miracles."

    And Utah's win over BYU in 2010 was because of what . . . a miracle.

    And Utah's win over BYU in 2005 was because of what . . . a miracle.

    And Utah's win over BYU in 2003 was because of what . . . a miracle.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 9, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    "Utah fans don't wanna see BYU ever again."

    Hey ute-rainbow alum dallas, tx:

    You just couldn't resist two posts here could you - and I have a funny feeling we will be hearing from you again real soon. There's something about BYU and the Mighty Cougars that keeps you and your buddies coming back. Thanks for your support - you're a true fan.

    Oh, and can't wait to see Chow get a taste of reality on Sept 28.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 9, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Congratulations for BYU in dominating intramural sports over Utah.

    The heart and valor they showed in basket weaving, polo, field hockey, backgammon, chess, women's wrestling, hopscotch, thumb wrestling, potato sack racing and quilting will surely never be forgotten in the minds of the BYU faithful.

    And yet all anybody outside of LDS churchhouses around the country will remember about this rivalry for the last year is 54-10. Just the truth.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 9, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    "And in football it's not as big of difference as Utes would like to make it out to be. Since 2000 you've won 7 of 12, but the last 6 matchups are tied at 3 wins a piece. If it wasn't for the Crowton era, BYU would have dominated at football also."

    Lets keep it simple, with easy markers to make, not markers set where it makes BYU look better:

    Five Games - 3-2 Utah
    Ten Games - 7-3 Utah
    Fifteen Games - Utah 9-6
    Twenty Games - Utah 12-8

    Total Score Utah 545 BYU 449

    Average Score Utah 27 BYU 22

    Largest Margin of Victory Utah 44 BYU 20

    Average Margin of Victory Utah 12.5 points BYU 6.5 points

    Highest Points Scored Utah 54 BYU BYU 37

    This "rivalry" has been 1 sided for two decades. It's not even debatable. Facts are Facts.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 9, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    BYU is last century's problem. We Utah fans ONLY care about the USC game. BYu has no possibility of beating BYU. Other than Kyle Van Noy. they have no decent athletes. BYU will NOT be considered by Chris Hill. That is a fact. Utah doesn't like BYU........like the rest of the nation.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 9, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    @ Tom in CA,

    Yes, I want Utah to currb-stomp BYU again at RES on 9-15-12......like the rest of he world. There is NOTHING "mighty" about BYU in this century. We Utah fans wanna get rid of BYu. Sorry bro.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    June 9, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    A BYU athlete just brought home another National Championship in Track and Field.

    The fact, BYU is very rich in athletic tradition, success and championships. The school is awesome and is definitely a premier University in sports. Anyone, and I mean anyone, would love to have BYU's athletic tradition.

    Congratulations Cougars...again.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 9, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    @uteology

    "Actually since 2000 Utah is 7 of 11, the 12th game is this year."

    Really? More utah "math" I suppose.

    2000 BYU
    2001 BYU
    2002 utah
    2003 utah
    2004 utah
    2005 utah
    2006 BYU
    2007 BYU
    2008 utah
    2009 BYU
    2010 utah
    2011 utah

    By my count that is 12 games and utah does lead 7-5 taking the lead the last 2 years. Throw out the crowton years (yes I know they happened but that is not the standard for BYU and it did include 1 BYU win) it is a dead even 4-4 with utah's last 2 years only just tieing it up. That said utah does lead it 7-5 since 2000, which just as CougFaninTX said is 12 seasons, 12 games.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 9, 2012 5:52 p.m.

    I really love the picture with the story. Big brother looking down at little brother!

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    June 9, 2012 6:45 p.m.

    RE: Utah-Hawaii Alum

    IF you Utah fans only care about the USC game,

    then why are you all always commenting on BYU stories?

    Me thinks you all care too much about BYU.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 9, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    JD Tractor
    Iowa City, IA
    A BYU athlete just brought home another National Championship in Track and Field.

    The fact, BYU is very rich in athletic tradition, success and championships. The school is awesome and is definitely a premier University in sports. Anyone, and I mean anyone, would love to have BYU's athletic tradition.

    --

    Yet after all this time we still don't belong to a major conference. If it meant something we would have been officially invited over the past 40 plus years. Nobody cares about our supposed athletic tradition outside of Provo other than wishful thinking BYU fans.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 9, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    San Diego
    Orem, UT
    You would think Utah would relish the national TV exposure when they play BYU.

    --

    I think fellow BYU fans felt like relish after losing to Utah 54-10 on national TV.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 9, 2012 9:02 p.m.

    To Duckie and CougTexan - I'm not one to say the U has 'dominated' in football recently but I think there has been a clear advantage. To relate to your earlier posts.

    Duck is correct that the series is 7-5 since the game in 2000. However the Y's 5 wins have come by a combined totaly of 22 points in that span. Utah's wins have been a combined total of 117 points.

    CFinTX - the last 6 games are 3-3. Y's wins combined equal 12 points. U's wins combined total 69 points.

    When the games are close, the teams seem to split wins but 3 times in the last 8 games, the U has actually dominated (and that includes a couple under Bronco's watch). You have to go back more than 15 years to find a game the Y won by more than 7 points.

    I would say that the results show that the U has had more head to head football success in the last 20 years.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    This discussion is tired and old...

    Utah is in the PAC12 and BYU is not. Nothing is forever and the rivalry is over.

    Utah has moved on and BYU should move on too.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 9, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    @ No Conference Will Take Us

    First, don't try to pretend that you are a BYU fan because you obviously aren't. Next, the Worldwide Leader in Sports clearly cares about BYU's athletic tradition. BYU fans from all around the world clearly care about BYU's athletic prowess and tradition. The athletes who have chosen to play at BYU and have competed and often won vs. the best competition in the country clearly care about BYU's athletic programs. Yes, we know that you and your fellow Utes get your sense of value out of the fact that you've been a member of the PAC 12 for a grand total of 1 year. Things are changing quickly and dramatically in college athletics so enjoy this little window of time but history has proven that BYU's athletic program and tradition will continue to produce top quality performances regardless of conference affiliation. Plan on seeing more nationally ranked teams, all americans, national awards, hall of famers and sell out crowds in football, basketball, volleyball, soccer, rugby etc. It's really great to not need the crutch of a conference to feel successful.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 9, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    willary,

    "This "rivalry" has been 1 sided for two decades. It's not even debatable. Facts are Facts."

    How convenient to only go back 20 years. Let's start off where you conveniently left off.

    1992: 31-22 BYU
    1991: 48-17 BYU
    1990: 45-22 BYU
    1989: 70-31 BYU OUCH!
    1988: 28-57 UT
    1987: 21-18 BYU
    1986: 35-21 BYU
    1985: 38-28 BYU
    1984: 24-14 BYU
    1983: 55-7 BYU OUCH!
    BYU won 7 of the next 8. Just wanted to make sure you understand what domination meant during the time you were learning your ABCs.

    54-10 is nothing compared to the whooping BYU put on Utah in the 70's and 80's year after year.

    Regarding the article, it's fun to see BYU be so dominant vs. Utah in all sports the last several years. Even the year when Utah was in the PAC, and BYU was a lowly WCC, WAC, MWC, Independent team, Utah couldn't even keep up. Conference affiliation means nothing...it's how you compete vs. your rival. Clearly, BYU knows how to play Utah better than the other way around. Look at records and FACTS.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 9, 2012 10:46 p.m.

    @Ducky

    My bad, I was off a year. Still 7-5 with Utah not losing by more than 7 points since 1996 while BYU being taken to the woodshed 3 times and shutout once. According to the NFL talent is at Utah, look for the trend continue.

    @Striker
    "Conference affiliation means nothing...it's how you compete vs. your rival."

    Is that why Texas A&M moved to the SEC and in doing so killed a 100+ year rivalry with Texas? 54-10 means more today than what happened 20+ years ago.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 9, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    The REAL party is winning a National Championship or a Heisman Trophy - the epitome of major college football excellence - something foreign to a program that holds parades for finishing second.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 9, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    Football drives the bus, the short bus for byu. Who cares about most of these other sports anyways? I guess when you are bitter and angry about Utah being in the Pac 12, Y "fans" get desperate and grasp at anything to makes themselves feel better and look better than their rival.

    Football is the future, and that future is Utah. Congrats on beating us in water polo. I don't know how I'll get over that. 82 days til kick off...Go Utes!!!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 10, 2012 12:18 a.m.

    Richard Smoker
    Provo, UT
    Totally agree with you Duckhunter!

    I am waiting for the excuses as well. I don't want to hear that "it takes some time when you jump up a conference." All I heard was how the U of U was going to compete in the PAC-12 right away."

    ---------------

    Yeah, I think we were talking about football pal.

    In which case, mission accomplished.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 10, 2012 5:52 a.m.

    @Howard S. - "Utah has moved on and BYU should move on too."

    Whit has said he is looking for easier competition because the competition is so fierce in the PAC. That's why he wants to move on. BYU's WACy November schedule will end this year. Looks like Utah is trying to make a WACy schedule for themselves in September, so they can be prepared to face to stiff competition in the PAC - Arizona (4-8), Arizona St (6-7), UCLA (6-8), Washington St (4-8), Oregon St (3-9), Colorado (3-10). LOL

    Besides BYU, Utah only faces three teams that had winning records last year, and two of them had a record of 7-6. Quit trying to make it sound like the PAC is the SEC. Take out USC, Oregon (which U don't play) and Standford (which U don't play) and the PAC is no stronger than other mid major conferences.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 10, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    @ striker - you frown on a poster about 'how convenient' it is to go back 20 years and then site games from the 80's. That is just as convenient to ignore the entire U vs. Y series. How about 47 to 13 in 1964; 41-9, 41-6, and 27-0 in 1955 through 1957; 4 wins (1946 - 1949) by a combined score of 131-12; 7 straight win including 6 times the Y didn't score (1931-1937; 6 straigh wins with 4 shutouts in the 1920;s?

    No one disputes that the Y dominated the series for a 20 year span from '72 to '92 but both before and after those years, the U has held the advantage.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 10, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Mountainman56 said:

    ".....Next, the Worldwide Leader in Sports clearly cares about BYU's athletic tradition. BYU fans from all around the world clearly care about BYU's athletic prowess and tradition. The athletes who have chosen to play at BYU and have competed and often won vs. the best competition in the country clearly care about BYU's athletic programs.
    ..... Things are changing quickly and dramatically in college athletics so enjoy this little window of time but history has proven that BYU's athletic program and tradition will continue to produce top quality performances regardless of conference affiliation. Plan on seeing more nationally ranked teams, all americans, national awards, hall of famers and sell out crowds in football, basketball, volleyball, soccer, rugby etc. It's really great to not need the crutch of a conference to feel successful."

    You are contradicting yourself here. Nice. ESPN also cares about all the other football contracts they have which are generating higher viewers than BYU games.
    40 more years, 40 more years! That should be the chant of BYU fans to hopefully become the ND of the West!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 10, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    @uteology

    That "shutout" was a 3-0 game in a year utah was a 10-2 team and BYU had a losing record. Hardly a dominating performance by a supposedly top 25 team. The truth is there is no "domination" by utah despite your attempts to claim there is. Of course 2 years ago when BYU was not a very good team, and utah was a 10-3 team, utah got lucky and some officiating gifts to even win the game. Yes utah won and winning is ultimately what matters but utah "fan" attempts to try and make it something it is not are amusing.

    I really enjoyed CougFaninTX post showing just how crappy utah's pac12 schedule really is this year. Against that same stiff competition utah managed to go 4-5 last year and will probably go about 4-5 this year. Then of course head to head with BYU utah's athletic department managed to go something along the lines of 3-10.

    Congratulations?

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    June 10, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Bottom line, Utah dominated BYU head to head in football. Y fans can cherry pick the years all they want and the net result is still the same 20 games advantage to Utah with the most recent and thus relevant years being advantage Utah by far. Regarding Basketball, it took Utah's program meltdown for the Y to finally pull ahead in the series which has historically been much closer than football. Though even with with Utah's recent pathetic roundball play and the Y having a great coach (Rose) and recent good teams I say advantage Utah in overall success when it counts with a far better tourney record (NCAA Champs, NCAA runner up, many final fours against non of those for BYU). In most of the Olympic Sports advantage BYU and my Utes will need to step it up in most those sports sans skiing and gymnastics. It's been a great rivalry but I say end it as it has brought out the worst in people far more lately than in the past. If not ending it, give it a few years break at the very least as it has reach a new level on nastiness.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 10, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii alum:

    Insecurity can be measured by how often one posts on a rival's articles declaring how irrelevant they are.
    Another measure is how one projects his own irrational hatred toward his rival as "the whole world's" hatred.

    Quite pathetic, really.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    June 10, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    Duckwhatever I don't think calling out Utah for its schedule is wise. Schedule games you can actually win other than New Mexico St.
    We look forward to taking your Big 12 slot!

    Go Noles!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 10, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    A BYU fan with some props for Utah:
    1. Getting into the PAC was a major coup and well-deserved. 2 BCS appearances IS a big deal and that is probably the key factor in getting the invitation.
    2. I would concede that Utah's football program is probably in better shape than BYU's right now. I think they have an advantage in recruiting better athletes and have better coaching. (Sorry, Bronco). They will do fine in the PAC 12 and will contend for the championship on a not too infrequent basis. Chris Hill has done a good job at beefing up the football program. But maybe at the expense of the other sports?

    I would also state that BYU does incredibly well in football given the self imposed restrictions. And don't tell me that the high number of return missionaries is an advantage. Any one with half a brain knows that is a bunch of baloney.

    But a school's athletic legacy measures all sports, not just football. Just ask USC. In that aspect, BYU clearly has the superior athletic department over Utah.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    @Nightowl

    Please tell me where I have contradicted myself. Nothing you said shows any evidence of that. Your broad based statement about ESPN also caring about the other football contracts they have that generate higher viewers than BYU games is ridiculous. Certainly some of their other games generated higher ratings than some of the BYU games but making a sweeping statement like that is nonsense. Obviously the ratings for every televised game are going to depend on match ups, rankings time slots etc. It's just nice to know that most, if not all BYU games will be available to anyone who wants to watch.

    Also, 40 more years of the same success BYU has enjoyed for the last 40 years would be fabulous! You can only hope to some day be able to say Utah has had 40 years of similar success but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 10, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    Mountainman56 has proved that its more important to "feel successful" than to be successful.
    Said so in your own words. Care to clear that up for everyone here please?

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    @WACPad

    I know, I need to spell things out more clearly for Utes. When I said "It's really great to not need the crutch of a conference to feel successful", that was a reference to Ute fans who are now "feeling" successful because of the conference you are in which is very different from BYU who has actually been and continues to be successful, regardless of conference affiliation.
    Is that clear enough?

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 10, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    Big brother looking down little brother! Love it!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 10, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    @ducky (AKA sammy, cougfan, etc.)

    So BYU has proven that it can win in the "sports" which you compete in at family reunions (How did they do in the 3-legged race?). Big deal. The only college sport that anybody cares about nowadays is football, with basketball being a very distant second. And to be relevant in the college football scene today, you have to be in a major BCS conference.

    So while you crow about winning your sports-that-nobody-cares-about, the true college sports fans in the state will continue following the only relevant sports program in the state: the University of Utah.

    Go Utes!!

    P.S. To ducky: 54-10

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 10, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    As much as several of the Ute "fans" are trying to ignore or diminish this local overall award the embarrassment of coming up short is quite obvious.

    It's just not supposed to be this way is it Utesies? Hoping for greatness in your new conference is one thing, just simply being consistent in several sports for decades is another.

    BYU is the past, present and future of athletic programs in the state. Being a media darling and having a legacy program is hard work, thus its important to have more than just football and basketball to round out and balance the legacy of BYU sports.

    Sure makes me proud to be a Cougar fan and know that most sports at BYU are important and represented well. Such a smorgasbord of great programs for every different fan to follow. It's great to have both BYUtv and ESPN to showcase them.

    Never has it been a better time to follow BYU sports.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 10, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Speaking of "crappy schedules", it is ironic that you would cry about Utah's schedule considering...

    A) BYU's SOS in 2010 was #90 according to Sagarin. You played 4 real teams and lost to 2 and were taken to the woodshed by the other @LES.

    B) That SOS was equivalent to 1984 when BYU won a NC with a SOS around #80ish-104. Only champion to not win a SINGLE game over a final ranked team. Worst SOS in the history of college football for a national champion.

    Congrats on the Desert Dual but again for Utah this is not "war" since the biggest game of the season will again be with USC not BYU.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 10, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    "No one disputes that the Y dominated the series for a 20 year span from '72 to '92 but both before and after those years, the U has held the advantage."

    Sorry, but Utah hasn't "held a advantage over BYU" in any decade since the 60's - not head-to-head, not in conference championships, and not in Top 25 finishes.

    Head-to-head
    1970s BYU 7 Utah 3
    1980s BYU 9 Utah 1
    1990s BYU 5 Utah 5
    2000s BYU 5 Utah 5

    Conference Championships
    1970s BYU 5 Utah 0
    1980s BYU 7 Utah 0
    1990s BYU 7 Utah 2
    2000s BYU 3 Utah 3

    Top 25 Finishes
    1970s BYU 2 Utah 0
    1980s BYU 6 Utah 0
    1990s BYU 4 Utah 1
    2000s BYU 5 Utah 4

    The biggest difference, however, is during Utah's period of domination from 1922 to 1964, the Utes did absolutely NOTHING on a national scale - ONE Top 25 finish in ONE poll.

    During BYU's period of domination, BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team, with numerous Heisman Trophy contenders, including the 1991 winner, 15 national individual award winners, and a National Championship!

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 10, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    "Big brother looking down little brother! Love it!"

    What's it like being a little brother constantly looking up at your big brother Jenny?

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 10, 2012 4:10 p.m.

    One thing that the Utes will learn real fast in the PAC is that Olympic sports matter. The PAC really is the conference of champions... not necessarily because of Football and basketball but largely because of Olympic sports.

    Look at the respect that Stanford, USC, Oregon, Washingnton receive for excellent athletic programs. Historically BYU has finished top 25 in the Sears Cup. Ane would compete well in the PAC. Certainly those Ute fans in West Valley, Vernal and Panguitch don't care about Golf, Track & Field and Soccer, but people in LA, Eugene, Seattle and San Fran do.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 10, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    Seminolebob

    Do you honestly think anybody is naive enough to believe that a true Seminole fan would hang out on a BYU/Utah blog and post nothing but smack about BYU?

    The truth is, you couldn't care less whether the Seminoles remain in the ACC or move to the Big 12 because you're died-in-the-wool Ute.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 10, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    How does Utah compete in the Conference of Champions?

    BYU wins Duel 4 of 5 years.
    BYU has 8-10 Top 25 programs a year in Athletics.
    BYU wins half of all Championsips in their Conference for 40 years.

    This whole notion that Utah was invited to the Pac because of their Athletic program or because of Academic reputation (BYU ranks #71....Utah #124), is just dopey.

    In every way, Market Strength, Fanbase, Facilities, Academics, Overall Athletic Dept., Legacy, Exposure, National Brand & Reputation etc.. Utah is under BYU's shadow.

    Utah has their Conference Crutch, now the question remains...
    Will Utah ever win a "Conference" Championship again, in "Any" Sport?

    Doubtful

    Congrats on Utah being invited to the Pac.
    But don't fool yourselves Utes...
    It was because...

    #1...Colorado was invited early, in order to wedge out the only Faith Based School of the Group (Baylor).
    #2...Consequently, the Texas/Okie 6 deal, blew up.
    #3...Utah was the last/only choice for a 12th team.

    Which must wait 4 years for "Full" inclusion, while Colorado does not.

    Boast of being in the Pac Utes, but remember, it wasn't due to Academics/Athletics.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    @WACPad

    Sorry I wasn't clear enough for you. When I said "It's really great to not need the crutch of a conference to feel successful", that was a reference to Ute fans who are now "feeling" successful because of the conference you are in, which is very different from BYU who has actually been and continues to be successful, regardless of conference affiliation.
    Is that clear enough?

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 10, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    "Congrats on beating us in water polo. I don't know how I'll get over that. 82 days til kick off...Go Utes!!!"

    Nice try, but we all know that the only reason the Utes totally dismiss every sport except football is because the Utes simply aren't good enough to compete in anything else.

    Even Utah's once decent basketball program is now one of the worst programs in the entire country.

    After peaking in 2008, Utah fans are back to judging the success of their entire athletic program on the results of one game - a losing conference record and 8th place PAC 12 finish is of no consequence to Utah fans as long as U manage to beat BYU...

    sad!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 10, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    @seminolebob

    I don't want BYU to go to the big12. You can have it, I like independence.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 10, 2012 6:42 p.m.

    @trueblue

    The trouble with dealing with BYU fans, is that you have a terrible sense of selective memory. In your 4:04 post, you go back to the 1970s. If I am not mistaken, the rivalry goes back to the late 1800s (or the early 1920s, if you're a BYU fan---no matter.)

    For the sake of record, the Utes dominated BYU over the first 60 years, to a record of 37-5 at one point, and 41-8 at another point. When you quote only 1/3 of the total record, you do yourself a disservice in terms of credibility.

    The overall record, 55-34-4 in Utah's favor, speaks for itself. You undermine your own argument when you only quote an obviously biased portion of the facts.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 10, 2012 7:03 p.m.

    TrueBlue
    Orem, UT

    During BYU's period of domination, BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team, with numerous Heisman Trophy contenders, including the 1991 winner, 15 national individual award winners, and a National Championship!

    --

    Sigh.
    Nobody cares other than fellow BYU hopefuls. Not being invited to a major conference over the past 40 years proves that.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 10, 2012 7:06 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    @seminolebob

    I don't want BYU to go to the big12. You can have it, I like independence.

    --

    I don't like independence. You can have it.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 10, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    uteBusters
    Park City, UT
    Seminolebob

    Do you honestly think anybody is naive enough to believe that a true Seminole fan would hang out on a BYU/Utah blog and post nothing but smack about BYU?

    The truth is, you couldn't care less whether the Seminoles remain in the ACC or move to the Big 12 because you're died-in-the-wool Ute.

    --

    I do seem to recall Seminolebob saying something about BYU fans where he/she lives talking about this site.
    Are you a true BYU fan like me? Or just pretending to be one.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 10, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    Desert duel? Just like the article says...Football is the only thing BYU fans care about in the rivalry.........While BYU largely won the award based on its performance in the Olympic sports, most fans of the two schools base the rivalry on one particular sport — football — and the Utes clobbered the Cougars in last year's game, 54-10, at Provo.

    How's that football rivalry worked out for you the last 10 years BYU? I'll give you some credit, you did when three games in the last decade.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    June 10, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    Is that why Texas A&M moved to the SEC and in doing so killed a 100+ year rivalry with Texas? 54-10 means more today than what happened 20+ years ago.

    54 to 10 didnt mean a whole lot at the end of the season when BYU was ranked and Utah was unranked. Utah finished the year losing to a 3-win colorado team at home, do you really believe that Utah was 44 points better then BYU? Not even close, every thing that could go wrong did for BYU that night. Meanwhile utah aside from 2 turnovers, played nearly a mistake free game. Most of BYUs 7 turnovers were unforced and their own undoing without those turnovers the game is close and comes down to the end much like many of the games have recently.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 10, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    @bluto/ducky

    You do your best to dis the University of Utah and its inclusion into the PAC 12. Yet, unfortunately, you do not know how many championships they will earn in this very competitive conference. At last count, the PAC 10/12 had earned more overall championships than any other conference in the country, including the BIG 12 and SEC. So, yes, the student-athletes of the U have their work cut out for them.

    But it is a good, healthy challenge, unlike competing as an independent in football as BYU has done, picking and choosing the degree of difficulty of opponents that they play against. This will only result in padding their schedules with such awful teams as Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State. But I guess when you play teams like that, it's a foregone conclusion that you will end up with seasons like 10-3, and then the sports writers across the country who have absolutely no clue as to what really goes on out west, will end up ranking your team in the final Top 25 OVER an 8-5 team who absolutely destroyed your team by 44 points.

    Whatever.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 10, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    While BYU largely won the award based on its performance in the Olympic sports, most fans of the two schools base the rivalry on one particular sport — football — and the Utes clobbered the Cougars in last year's game, 54-10, at Provo.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 10, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    Byu fans keep brining up their ranking at the end of the year. Byu was only ranked in one poll and they were #25...........Come on guys really? Go on espn and again and check out who you guys played last year. Provo High would have beat most of the teams you played.

    All I can say is 7 out of the last 10 years......In the Utes favor. That's, The Utes have beat the Cougars 70% of the time in the last decade and you're still beating your chests!?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 10, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    It sure is easy to say football is the only sport that matters when you stink at almost every other sport.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    June 10, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    Hey uteBusters I could care less what you think of me, and I hardly hang around this place. I am a true Florida State fan. And yes I have read silly comments from y'all on both sides. At least Utah is stepping up to the plate. They belong to a major conference. BYU on the other hand well......who want's them? Nobody so far.

    Notre Dame could very well end up in a conference before BYU does.

    And we could take your Big 12 slot!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 10, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    Jenny

    "Provo High would have beat most of the teams you played."

    And Provo High could have taken Colorado... easily.

    Better stick with the picture commentary, you're so good at it.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    June 10, 2012 11:58 p.m.

    Slice and dice it anyway that helps you sleep at night Jenny...

    Top 25 Finishes during the Kyle/Bronco era
    BYU 5
    Utah 3

    Top 25 Finishes in BOTH polls during the Kyle/Bronco era
    BYU 4
    Utah 2

    Top 15 Finishes during the Kyle/Bronco era
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

    Top 25 Finishes in BOTH polls during the 2000's
    BYU 5
    Utah 4

    Top 25 Finishes in BOTH polls during their entire football history
    BYU 17
    Utah 6

    Final 2012 Rankings
    BYU - #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin
    Utah - ZERO votes Coaches/AP, #39 Sagarin

    Bottom line:

    BYU has nearly as many Top 25 Finishes during the last 6 years (5) as Utah has during its ENTIRE history (7).

    btw, Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State could have all done what Utah couldn't; beaten Colorado.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 10, 2012 11:59 p.m.

    Sammy...Colorado is not a good team but they are sure much better than the likes of SanJose State, New Mexico, and Idaho State --- At the end of the year, Byu was playing the worst of the worst in college football.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 11, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    Jenny... Utah was playing one the worst teams in the country, a team that lost TEN games, and U LOST, at home; in many ways, a more embarrassing loss than Utah's meltdown against 10-loss UNLV

    Unlike Utah, BYU didn't LOSE to San Jose State, New Mexico, or Idaho State.

    Get used to 4-5 conference finishes, that's who U are now, a PAC 12 bottom dweller.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 11, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    @TrueBlue
    Thanks for putting the decades into perspective. Great information.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 11, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX
    @TrueBlue
    Thanks for putting the decades into perspective. Great information.

    --

    Yes. Thank you for putting a WAC legacy nobody outside of Provo cares about (other than fellow BYU fans), and decades without a major conference invite into perspective.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 11, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    So predictable. If Utah does good, they say the conference is bad. Actually when other teams do good it evens things in a conference. Well its easy for coug fans to say. Because they have nothing to compare with. You are independent now on the outside looking in.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 11, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    No excuse from me great job BYU. The only thing I can say is "54-10 a bunch of times".

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 11, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    "If Utah does good, they say the conference is bad."

    What exactly did U do good in?

    The Utah men were 4-5 in football, 3-15 in a weak basketball conference, with losing records in every other sport.

    The ONLY people who don't care about BYU's WAC legacy are the jealous kids on the hill whose ONLY football "legacy" began in 2004 and ended in 2008.

    btw, didn't Utah's NCAA Finals run occur while Utah was in the WAC?

    and, didn't Utah's lone NCAA tournament title occur while Utah wasn't even in a conference?

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 11, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    It always comes down to the officiating

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    So... assuming every other sport goes the same way, the Utes will have 6 points at the end of the competition next year after BYU wins the football game this year. BYU will have 41 points.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 11, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    scenicview
    btw, Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State could have all done what Utah couldn't; beaten Colorado.

    did you ever see Colorado play?

    GO RED

    you are so right, 95% of these y fans have no clue. Let them be 25th every year just makes them feel a whole lot better about themselves. The only guy on hear that really gets me is the ducky I just don't understand sometimes where he is coming from. The super league coach of the decade should know better about the level of competition. That's why he wants to stay indy he really does know and he knows that they can make a run for 25th every year with that schedule.

  • Al Thepal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    As a BYU fan I will admit that winning the Deseret First Duel is not as awesome as winning the football game. If I had to choose between two polar opposite options, I would want to win the football game and let the Utes win in everything else. Good thing in this upcoming year BYU will win the football game AND the Deseret First Duel. Go Cougars!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 11, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    upinthenightowl

    It's easy to compare all of the chest thumping with actual results.

    BYU 10-3, Top 25
    Utah 8-5, unranked

    Whining about BYU's "weak schedule," after LOSING to a 10-loss team, and not beating a single PAC 12 opponent that finished with a winning record, shows just how desperate U are to put lipstick on a pig and claim that you actually accomplished something in 2011.

    U can thank irrelevant, Independent, BYU, and its 7-turnover meltdown, for providing the ONLY highlight of your first year in the PAC 12. U were simply lucky that U played the Cougs in early September instead of late November, or you wouldn't have had any 2011 highlights.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 11, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Yo Snack PAC-

    The highlight of the year for your cougars was ending the season ranked. That just shows how screwy the polls are. You enjoy that wacky schedule and your meaningless ranking. We'll stick with the excitement of being in a great conference.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 11, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    MLH

    did you ever see Colorado play?

    Yes, the Utes made the Buffs look like a good team.

    Unfortunately, I also saw Hawaii pummel Colorado 34-17, the same Hawaii team that BYU beat in Hawaii 41-20, the week after Colorado took the Utes to the woodshed.

    It's funny how Utah fans love to beat their chests about BEATING Top 25 teams, but pretend that BEING a Top 25 isn't anything special, at least not when it's BYU that ranked, instead of Utah.

    It just shows that 95% of these U fans have no clue.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    June 11, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    All this talk is great but as Al admitted, the football game is the only thing to really brag about. Basketball is second and unfortunately we all know the Utes have a long way back to greatness. It will come though.

    I cannot wait for the season to start! The byU game is always interesting even if it is a blow out. With Cal, Arizona and of course USC coming into SLC, is there a better home line up in the state? Not even close. Love it.

    Go Utes!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    Magna Ute Fan

    It's funny how the polls are only "flawed" when they favor BYU over Utah.

    Actually, BYU, had several highlights in 2011:

    -Having another overall good 10+ win season with no losses to teams BYU was supposed to beat
    -Having solid road games against a couple of great teams - Texas and TCU
    -Having 11 of 13 games nationally televised on ESPN
    -Enjoying a spectacular game winning drive against the Aggies
    -Finishing the season with an exciting bowl win over a very good Tulsa team

    Tulsa, btw, was ranked in the Top 25 by Sagarin before the bowl, and finished #35, behind #34 BYU, but ahead of #39 Utah and #56 Georgia Tech

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 11, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    LonestarRunner-

    So you weren't supposed to beat Utah in LES? That's certainly not what I heard from cougar fans before the game. Shouldn't a top 25 team beat an unranked team at home?

    An "overall good 10+ win season" against the mighty dregs of the wac? You must be joking! Those are mutually exclusive conditions. Have another round of blue cool-aid on me.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    "the football game is the only thing to really brag about"

    Unfortunately, for U, since none of your other teams are even competitive.

    "With Cal, Arizona and of course USC coming into SLC, is there a better home line up in the state?"

    Agreed, thanks to USC and BYU.

    But, it's ironic that the only game on Utah's home schedule that Utah absolutely HAS to win...

    is the BYU game.

    2011 Records of Utah's 2012 Home Opponents
    USC 10-2
    BYU 10-3
    Cal 7-6
    Ariz 4-8
    WSU 4-8
    No Colo 0-11

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 11, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    Sorry, but Utah hasn't "held a advantage over BYU" in any decade since the 60's - not head-to-head, not in conference championships, and not in Top 25 finishes.

    ------------

    How about "Quest for Perfections"?

    2000s: Utah 2 BYU 0

    You can keep your 2 #25 finishes they pale in comparison to 12-0 and 13-0 seasons.

    You haven't done anything on the "national scale" since 1996, that's a fact not fiction ask Hawaii fans.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 11, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    Other's have already said it.
    Why do desperate BYU fans keep posting stats that nobody outside of Cougarland cares about.
    Its all you have, very sad.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 11, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    @CougarOnTheProwl

    Oh please...

    Utah Defense 14
    BYU 10

    Again with a 3-2 turnover margin Utah 21 BYU 10 (aka GAME OVER).

    The only reason you were ranked was because of USC, figure it out.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    Typical Utah fan basing an entire decade on a couple of good seasons; just like basing an entire season on one game.

    On a national scale,

    Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 3
    Utah 2

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 1 (Doak Walker Award for Nations Best Running Back)
    Utah 0

    2004 and 2008 is the ONLY thing Utah has ever accomplished on a national scale, and your undefeated 2004 team didn't beat anybody - it was a complete joke that Pittsburgh was even invited to the Fiesta Bowl.

    Call us when U win your first national award of any kind!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 11, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    idahopotato

    Utah fans whine about BYU fans posting stats, because Utah fans can't handle any facts that disprove their crimson-colored of themselves.

    Utah fans refuse to balance the highs of 2004 (even though you didn't beat anybody) and 2008, with the lows of getting shut out by 10-loss UNLV, getting blown out by TCU, BSU and Notre Dame and plummeting out of the Top 5, or getting embarrassed at home by 10-loss Colorado.

    BYU finished in the Top 25 in 2011, despite the blowout loss to Utah, because BYU didn't lose to any bad teams.
    Utah wasn't good enough to be ranked because the Utes couldn't beat one of the worst teams in the country, 10-loss Colorado.

    Whining about it won't change the fact that BYU deserved to be ranked and Utah didn't.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    June 11, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Truth Machine-

    All your "national awards" and $1.75 will buy you a cup of cocoa at 7-11, but they haven't been enough to propel you into a BCS bowl or a good football conference. You've been on a down hill slide since late in Lavell's career.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 11, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Magna Ute Fan

    One game does not a season make...

    unless, of course, you live in Uteville, where beating BYU is the end-all-be-all of your existence.

    Besides BYU, who of significance did Utah beat in 2011, in any men's sport?

    It's laughable that a supposedly superior "conference of champions" program has been reduced to basing the success of their entire athletic program on one game against a supposedly irrelevent, independent.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 11, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    @Uteology "You haven't done anything on the "national scale" since 1996, that's a fact not fiction ask Hawaii fans."

    BYU finished 2011 ranked #25 in the NATION, meaning that we were actually considered relevant by the rest of the nation. Curiously enough, I couldn't find Utah mentioned anywhere in those rankings.

    The only thing Utah did on a 'national scale' last year was to help Colorado end the nation's longest road losing streak which, I will admit, was pretty epic.

    Congratulations :)

    Go Cougars!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 11, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Chewbacca

    BYU doesn't need to hang onto skirts of truly accomplished programs in order to feel successful.

    Your BCS bowls and "good" football conference haven't been good enough to propel you into a national championship, a Heismans Trophy, a Doak Walker Award, a Sammy Baugh Award, a Davey O'Brien Award, an Outland Trophy, or a National College Football Hall of Fame player.

    The PAC 12 got just what it wanted when it invited Utah, a punching bag for the big boys of the conference to pad their conference records and filler so that the PAC 12 could play a conference championship game. Get used to 4-5 finishes.

    Utah wasn't invited to the PAC 12 because of its excellent overall athletic program, because Utah has never had an excellent overall athletic program, as evidenced by being dominated by BYU overall for most of the last 40 years.

    Call us when you when your FIRST national college football award of any kind.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 11, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    "WIN" your FIRST national college football award of any kind.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    June 11, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    deductive reasoning-

    I will grant you that byu was a great program under Lavell. That was a long time ago.

    "BYU doesn't need to hang onto skirts of truly accomplished programs in order to feel successful" because they are fully satisfied beating up on the sisters of the poor.

    When was your last meaningful victory? Oklahoma?

    Our BCS bowls WERE enough to propel us into a great conference. And, unlike the cougars, we're still on an upward trajectory.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 11, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    Apparently the avatar known as deductive reasoning is suffering from selective pouting.
    The fact still remains that no matter how many football awards BYU has won, No Conference Will Take Us. After all this time it has not happened.
    What do a supposed number of awards have to do with Utah? Absolutely nothing.
    What does Utah have to do with our WAC scheduling, and lack of a conference invite? Absolutely nothing.

    If all the awards BYU has won actually meant something. We would be in a conference by now. Get over it.

    How does it "feel to be successful" BYU fans?

    I want results, not happy go lucky feel good all over fuzzies.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    June 11, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    It's nice to be in a major conference, but it doesn't mean anything until the Utes actually win a conference championship.

    As far as I know, not a single Utah men's team finished with a winning conference record in 2011-12. It could be many years before the Utes are even competitive, let alone championship contenders, in any sport besides Women's Gymnastics.

    Give BYU their due; the Cougars have proven that they're already competitive on a national scale in many sports - a national championship in Rugby; a serious national championship contender in Men's Volleyball, and strong national showings in Cross-Country and Track & Field.

    And, despite the naysayers, total domination across the board in head-to-head competition with Utah, except for Women's Gymnastics and Football.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 11, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    "Why do desperate (Ute) fans keep posting stats that nobody outside of Cougarland cares about."

    54-10 is good example. Obviously the Coach's Poll didn't care about that score. What they did notice was 17-14. Had the Utes won that game then things very well could have been different but... they didn't. Deal with it.

    It never ceases to amaze me how Ute fans are so willing to flush the toilet on basketball, gymnastic, golf, volleyball, soccer, baseball, swimming, rugby, track and other athletes at the expense of their precious football team that was 8th place and 4-5 in their conference.

    So much for loyalty and school honor, typical Ute mentality we see everyday on these boards. Only a handful of honorable comments by rational Ute fans over this, hats off to the few of you.

    You can't deny the facts when they are so blatantly disclosed.

    Nothing like squawking Utes fans when things don't go their way in this rivalry.

  • BigUtahFan BOUNTIFUL, UT
    June 11, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    It just goes to show how much money plays a factor in winning. A state run school can't pump scholarship money into their Olympic sports. All that will change with the new money coming from the PAC12 deal.

    Congrats to the cougs, if this article wasn't written, then I would have had no idea it even happened. That's how much I care. This is your peak cougar fans, enjoy it because you can only go down from here.

    GO UTES!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 11, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Hey sammyg.
    I would think ESPN cares. They stuffed that blue kitty with a contract. They got smoked 54-10 on prime time TV. The BYU experiment did not generate good ratings nationally last season. Look for more to be passed along to BYUtv so sports fans can watch real games.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 11, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    @No Conference "The fact still remains that no matter how many football awards BYU has won, No Conference Will Take Us."

    Who cares? BYU doesn't need a conference to be relevant, while Utah has shown that even with being in the PAC 12, U are still irrelevant and nobody cares about U.

    I'll compare the two newest members of the PAC 12 to illustrate:

    -Since 2004-
    Colorado: 39-61 record, 0 BCS bowl appearances.
    Utah: 77-25 record, 2 BCS bowl appearances.

    And for all of that wonderful pedigree, Utah's first EVER PAC 12 game gets relegated to MWC Lite (Versus), while the Buffs got their showdown with the Trojans on ESPN.

    In fact, the PAC 12 aired 6 CU games on its networks, while they decided to only air 4 Utah games.

    Irrelevance = KJZZ having to air 6 of your games because your own conference refuses to.

    Utah had 2 games on the ESPN networks. BYU had 11, and BYU's RUGBY team had as many appearances on ESPNU as the Utes football team.

    BYU doesn't need a conference to be relevant. Your conference doesn't respect U or think you're relevant.

    Ouch.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 11, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    Chewbacca

    "...unlike the Cougars, we're still on an upward trajectory."

    lol

    Utah
    2008 13-0, #2/#4
    2009 10-3, #18/#18
    2010 10-3, ur/#23
    2011 8-5, unranked, with losses to

    USC 10-2
    Wash 7-6
    ASU 6-7
    Cal 7-6

    and that humiliating home loss to Colorado 3-10

    8th place in the PAC 12, without a single win over a conference opponent with a winning record

    only a delusional Utah fan would interpret that as an "upward" trajectory

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 11, 2012 5:18 p.m.

    "A state run school can't pump scholarship money into their Olympic sports."

    Then how do you explain Utah's success in Women's Gymnastics or the rise and fall of Men's Basketball?

    The truth is, Utah never has had, and never will have, the broad base of fan support that BYU enjoys.

    Lack of fans is why Utah still plays in a crackerbox-sized stadium despite the millions pumped into RES by the 2002 Olympics.

    Lack of interest in Utah's Olympic sports is the real issue Utah has never had much success in the Olympic sports, not lack of money.

    Just as in basketball, Utah football fans only show up when the team is having success. A few more years of losing conference records and bad losses to teams like 10-loss Colorado, and RES will look just like the HC - a vast sea of empty red chairs.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 11, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    Men's 2011-12 National Ranking/Final Result

    Football (Coaches/AP)
    BYU #25/#26
    Utah unranked

    Basketball (Sagarin)
    BYU #40
    Utah #294

    Baseball (NCAA RPI)
    BYU #156
    Utah #203

    Cross-Country (USTFCCCA)
    BYU #3
    Utah didn't participate

    Indoor Track & Field (USTFCCCA)
    BYU #9
    Utah didn't participate

    Outdoor Track & Field (NCAA Tournament)
    BYU #21
    Utah didn't participate

    Volleyball (AVCA Div I-II Coaches)
    BYU #4
    Utah didn't participate

    Rugby (USA Rugby)
    BYU #1 - National Champions
    Utah #4

    but, as the kids on the hill continue obsess about, Utah did win ONE early season game in football

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 11, 2012 8:17 p.m.

    truecoug1 said in response to:

    "@No Conference "The fact still remains that no matter how many football awards BYU has won, No Conference Will Take Us."

    Who cares? BYU doesn't need a conference to be relevant, while Utah has shown that even with being in the PAC 12, U are still irrelevant and nobody cares about U.

    .....BYU doesn't need a conference to be relevant. Your conference doesn't respect U or think you're relevant.

    Ouch."

    Thank you truecoug1. Thank you for continuing the BYU fan legacy of mediocracy.
    College athletics does not revolve around Provo. And its not a matter of BYU being relevant. More wishful thinking there.
    Power conferences don't need BYU to be relevant themselves.

    LOL! How you get all worked up over Utah in the Pac 12. Relax. Go make some rolls, green jello and enjoy the evening. Because nobody outside of the state takes your program seriously.

    Ouch!

  • PAC 12 Punching Bag SLC, UT
    June 11, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    When the PAC12 invited us to be their punching bg they knew what they were doing. We didn't win one championship in one single sport. We actually finished at the bottom of the conference in almost every single sport. My fellow Utah fans like to say what a success our football season was but we had a losing record, lost to one of the worst teams in the nation, at home, and didn't even play the two best schools in our conference.

    These schools knew what they were doing when they invited us,that is for sure. And for all of that they aren't even letting us get paid for 4 years. Ouch.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    June 12, 2012 1:16 a.m.

    PAC 12 Punching Bag

    Are you my long lost brother?

    The applause sign is on!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    @No Conference

    Utah's 6 good years were in the same Conference U now disparage.
    That is so emblamatic of a wannabee coat-tailer psychology.
    The U grasps for anything to find relevancy. Phony though it may be.
    Conference Crutch.

    We hear the U is building a Hall of Fame Room/Closet.

    It's rumored BYU will let you display their Hardware, if you promise not to break them.
    As we all know, there will be alot of empty shelves at the U.

    I'm sure U would love to dispaly BYU's...

    -National Championship-Football
    (5 Trophies from 1984, including the Waterford Crystal Coaches Trophy)

    -A Heisman Memorial Trophy

    -Outlands, Davey O'Briens, Doak Walker, Sammy Baugh's, National Coach of the Year's (3), 17 National Awards in Football alone. 7 Hall of Fame inductees, An NFL and Super Bowl MVP Trophies. 60+ All-Americans, 16 Consensus-football.

    Throw in 2 NPOY winners in Basketball.
    Masters, US Open and British Open winners.

    13 National Championships in 7 Sports, nearly half of all Conference Championships over 40 years

    BYU has 4 times the All-Americans Utah has ever produced (all-sports).

    BTW ESPN is outside of Provo.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 12, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Obviously Utah didn't want to be there.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 12, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    Let BYU do whatever they "choose" to do. After this year, when BYU gets crunched again by Utah.....who cares? Honestly, who really cares, other than BYU fans? Let BYU find their mediocre support. I could care less. If we meet BYU in a decent bowl game.......let us talk then. BYU is "OLD" news. Shoot, I hope we can give USC a great challenge. BYU matters not. BYU is Big Sky/WAC material.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 12, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    yaaaaawn!

    denial is obviously a river that flows from the hill

    Besides USC, BYU is the most anticipated game on Utah's schedule. You know it, and so does every single Utah fan.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 12, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica "Because nobody outside of the state takes your program seriously."

    Lol, says the guy from Oregon who is on a a Utah newspaper website to try to talk smack about the Cougs. Emphasis on the word 'try' :) Looks like YOU take the Cougars seriously.

    Final 2011 USA Today Coaches Poll: #25 BYU
    Utah: Unranked.

    Apparently coaches from around the country took BYU seriously enough to vote the Cougs as the 25th best team in the country.

    Curiously enough, they didn't think Utah deserved that ranking.

    Again, your own conference doesn't respect U, nor do they think U relevant enough to put you on National TV. You got stuck on Versus against USC in your first ever PAC 12 game while your new 'hated' rival, CU, got featured on ESPN against the Trojans.

    Though I guess it's hard to take U seriously when U lose to a 2-10 team on your home field to end their 2-year long road losing streak, and when your football facilities are being run out of a trailer park.

    So thanks for your inane babble and opinions, but give me some facts next time and I might take U seriously.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 12, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    I just don't care about BYU anymore. Let BYU go do what they wanna do. Utah is in the PAC.......that is all I care about.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 12, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    @UHA "I just don't care about BYU anymore."

    Says the guy who has the vast majority of comments on every BYU article.

    Thanks for showing us how much U 'dont care', lol.

    Go Cougars!

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 12, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    Why would the Utes not take the Y seriously?

    Bluto

    We don't want any of your stuff, you didn't earn it those great players and teams from the past did. You were never part of it, all you did is watch don't go saying things that will never happen, us Ute fans we could care less about all that stuff. And buddy if you know anything about football the Utes need something much bigger than a closet. Be proud of these acomplishments, personally I got to see a lot of these accomplishments as a Ute fan and they were a privaliage to see. But when guys like you come on here and try to use that all against the U it just cheapens the whole thing, it's not the players or the teams or even the coaches we dislike it's guys like you that can't do anything but hate.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 12, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Utah State actually worries me, not BYU. They are last century's weird problem.
    BYU needs to get lost.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 12, 2012 12:50 p.m.

    @ Truecoug, I don't care about BY. I am worried about PAC games......not BYU.Go find a battle. Utah is DONE with BYU.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 12, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    @UHA "I don't care about BY."

    You know, it's funny, the more U say that, the more I don't believe U.

    You're apparently from Dallas. Great. I don't care about the Cowboys, or the Longhorns, or the Horned Frogs, which is why I'm not on their comment boards making comments.

    U, however, seem to be BYU's biggest fan. Thanks for the love, man.

    You remind me of a little brother who is stomping his feet and trying to get the attention of big brother because little bro wants to be relevant.

    Big bro just looks down at U, smiles, and pats U on the head in a conciliatory fashion.

    But again, thanks for 'not caring' :)

    Go Cougars!

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    June 12, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    MLH
    talk about hate. wow!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 12, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT
    @NightOwlAmerica "Because nobody outside of the state takes your program seriously."

    Lol, says the guy from Oregon who is on a a Utah newspaper website to try to talk smack about the Cougs. Emphasis on the word 'try' :) Looks like YOU take the Cougars seriously.

    Curiously enough, they didn't think Utah deserved that ranking.

    Again, your own conference doesn't respect U, nor do they think U relevant enough to put you on National TV. You got stuck on Versus against USC in your first ever PAC 12 game while your new 'hated' rival, CU, got featured on ESPN against the Trojans.

    So thanks for your inane babble and opinions, but give me some facts next time and I might take U seriously.

    ____________________

    Yawn. The level a BYU fan will go to and get nowhere. Comparing a WAC legacy with Utah's first year in the PAC is meaningless. Every college football fan in the country sees thru that.

    Anyone can post here. And why do BYU fans obsess about posters from outside of the state of Utah anyway?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 12, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    @wacpadding

    "Comparing a WAC legacy with Utah's first year in the PAC is meaningless."

    So utah's stellar 4-5 conference record, with 5 home games and only 4 road games, and not having to play the top 2 teams in the conference, is far and away better than what utah accomplished in that lesser conference the mwc? I guess you'll never boor us with 2004 and 2008 again since they pale in comparison to 2011 and "4-5".

    LOL!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 12, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    @WACPadding "Comparing a WAC legacy with Utah's first year in the PAC is meaningless."

    Not sure where I was comparing BYU's WAC legacy with Utah's first year in the PAC. I was actually just pointing out how irrelevant that Utah is, since a 3-10 Colorado team got more air time from the PAC 12 than U did.

    And since your football facilities are currently located in a trailer park. Now that's just sad.

    As for the whole 'anyone can post here', I completely support and welcome it. BYU is a national brand, made all the more evident by U, UHA, and NightOwl constantly commenting on BYU articles and showing your support from Idaho, Texas, and Oregon.

    BYU is the standard that Utah holds itself to. That has been true and will continue to be true. U and the other U fans can stomp your feet and try to make us think you're relevant all U want by running your mouths on BYU boards, but we'll just pat U on the head, smile, and move forward with being relevant on the national scene.

    Enjoy that PAC 12 high-chair (and KJZZ)!

    Go Cougars!

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    June 12, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Is BYU fans posting without thinking what they say the norm here? We have rowdy Gator fans down this way. But even they would laugh at how narrow your arguments are.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 12, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    TrueCoug1 said...

    "And since your football facilities are currently located in a trailer park. Now that's just sad."

    Perfect, nailed it, hilarious, I'm still belly laughing... I just can't stop. That's so dang funny.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 12, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    How shallow my fellow BYU fans are.
    Utah is building a new $30 million dollar facility for their athletic dept.

    And we are still in the mop closet. Independent and irrelevant. Said.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 12, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT

    And since your football facilities are currently located in a trailer park. Now that's just sad.

    As for the whole 'anyone can post here', I completely support and welcome it. BYU is a national brand,

    ____

    Nah just the experience. 54-10 is a trailer park trash reality.

    And you are right. BYU is a brand. A brand that no football fan (outside of BYU) or conference cares about.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "I just don't care about BYU anymore."

    Which of course explains why 99.9% of your posts are totally obsessed with BYU.

    Hating BYU more than you care about Hawaii or Utah isn't the same as not caring about BYU.

    --------------------

    No Clue

    It's hillarious how totally obsessed the kids on the hill are with trying to convince themselves that BYU is irrelevant.

    What's even funnier is Utah spending all that money to expand their football facilities when they still play in a mop closet-sized stadium.

    Irrelevant equals 8th place in your conference and not a single vote in the national polls.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    June 12, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    No Conference Needed

    Utah's New Football Facility - $30 million

    BYU's $30,000 Waterford Crystal Football National Championship Trophy - PRICELESS!!!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 12, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "BYU needs to get lost."

    Still sore about not being good enough to play golf for BYU?

    Get over it already!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 12, 2012 7:20 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii and others of the same ilk. Your posts are hilarious.

    I get this mental picture of you, teeth clenched, sweat dripping down your forehead, one eyelid twitching, pounding on the keyboard, "I don't care about BYU, I don't care about BYU, I don't care about BYU! . . . ."

    Great stuff!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    That is an impressive list, but how many of those accomplishments are recent or relevant? Using your logic Army and Princeton are still premier programs.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 12, 2012 7:56 p.m.

    Finchling

    "...how many of those accomplishments are recent or relevant"

    BYU has MORE National Individual Awards Winners this century,

    and almost as many Top 25 Finishes in the last SIX years,

    as Utah has in its ENTIRE HISTORY!

    Finishing #25/#26 in 2011 recent relevancy.

    Not getting a single vote in either poll is not.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 12, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority
    Arlington, VA
    Finchling

    "...how many of those accomplishments are recent or relevant"

    BYU has MORE National Individual Awards Winners this century,

    and almost as many Top 25 Finishes in the last SIX years,

    as Utah has in its ENTIRE HISTORY!

    Finishing #25/#26 in 2011 recent relevancy.

    Not getting a single vote in either poll is not.

    --

    Sigh.

    Our awards amount to a pile of cracker jack prizes. We only care what's in the box. BCS conferences have not cared about our awards for the past 40+ years. Sadly but not surprisingly fellow BYU fans will not accept or understand that.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 12, 2012 8:17 p.m.

    I am not looking forward to BYUs 1st loss or any loss this season. All my fellow BYU fans will do is blame the refs or anything else they can think of. I'm not surprised by anything anymore. Somewhere down the line fellow BYU fans will also blame Utah when we lose to Boise St. and others. Talk about a desperate gridiron meltdown.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 12, 2012 8:22 p.m.

    scenic view
    Baltimore, MD
    No Conference Needed

    Utah's New Football Facility - $30 million

    BYU's $30,000 Waterford Crystal Football National Championship Trophy - PRICELESS!!!

    --

    Yes I get warm fuzzies as well thinking about that trophy collecting dust. But is that all you care about? I want BYU to win another title. Not live off a WAC legacy and independent scheduling that guarantees medeocracy.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    SA

    We all know Utah does not have a history of national football dominance. What you fail to mention is that almost all of Utah's ranked finishes (including twice in the top 5) have happened this decade. Utah is growing as a program and there is reason for optimism due to the advantages and opportunities the PAC-12 provides.

    As for BYU; merely finishing in the top 25 is their ceiling. It's the best Cougars fans have to hope for. And considering last year's effort of losing to every decent team and beating the nobodies, the accomplishment of finishing ranked really doesn't look that impressive anymore.

    Finally, national award winners are great and you certainly can't take anything away from those players, but football is a team game. I would much rather have bowl victories than individual accolades.

  • PAC 12 Punching Bag SLC, UT
    June 12, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    My fellow Utah fans just don't get what a true national legacy is made from. They continue to believe that being ranked a couple of times per decade and winning a couple of bowls games suddenly makes us relevent. It takes years, no it takes decades, to build a real legacy. It doesn't happen by simply aligning ourselves with schools far more accomplished and far more successful than we ever have been.

    I'd like us to just have 1 national award winner, just 1. Maybe have 1 college hall of fame player, just 1. Nothing like that is even on the horizon for us.

    It is embarrassing really.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 12, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    Finchling

    Sorry, Utah had two great seasons, but has been in steady decline since 2008.

    BYU has FIVE Top 25 Finishes in the last 6 years; Utah only three

    BYU has THREE Top 15 Finishes in the last 6 years; Utah only one.

    BYU have FIVE 10+ win seasons in the last 6 years; Utah only one.

    Head-to-head, BYU and Utah are tied at 3 apiece during the last 6 years.

    But, Utah does hold one "advantage"...

    Utah has TWO losses to 10+ loss teams during the last 6 years,

    BYU only has TWO losses to 10+ loss teams...

    during BYU's entire football history.

    Football is indeed a team sport, but individual national awards are as much a team award as they are an individual award. Luke Staley wouldn't have been voted the Best Running Back in the nation, without having a great offensive line to block for him, nor without having a great quarterback and great receivers to keep BYU from being a one-dimensional offense.

    As far as bowl victories, I'll take finishing in the Top 25 over winning a meaningless bowl game anyday.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 12, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    No Confidence

    You can drop the jealo"us" charade; NOBODY believes you've ever been a BYU fan.

    The only "fuzzy" you get from BYU's Waterford Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, is the gnawing emptiness you feel while staring at the vast emptiness that is Utah's trophy case - completely devoid of a single national award of any kind.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 12, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    independence errrrrrr irrelevance brings out the best in BYU fans!
    Look no further than the same cut & paste regurgitated stats.

    Yay team! Lets settle for playing patsies to pad our schedule. And then we can cheer our team to a No 23-25 ranking.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 4:02 a.m.

    SA

    6 years? The timelines BYU fans give are always entertaining. This time it's 6, for an NC its 28 years, and for the rivalry it can be up to 40 years.

    Claiming Utah is in steady decline is laughable. Moving to the PAC-12 has been a huge step forward for Utah football and the athletics program as a whole. The U has added new stadiums and facilities in several sports. Utah is growing and taking the steps necessary to compete in one of, if not the, greatest conference in the NCAA. That doesn't look like decline in my book.

    Also nice spin on the head-to-head record. Utah has won 3 out of 4, including the last two.

    Whittingham said it best, "We do consider it a rivalry even though of late it hasn't been very competitive as far as the win-loss. But it is a rivalry nonetheless in our eyes."

    As I said, BYU's 10 win and top 25 finishes are unimpressive due to who those wins are against.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    June 13, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    "Moving to the PAC-12 has been a huge step forward for Utah football and the athletics program as a whole."

    Give me one single example of how Utah "improved" in 2011-12 over Utah's last year in the MWC. Saying it, doesn't make it so. EVERY Utah men's team finished with a losing conference record in 2011-12.

    Whittingham is sooooo delusional; during the Bronco/Kyle era, Kyle holds a slight 4-3 advantage in head-to-head versus Bronco, but in overall performance

    Bronco has more Top 25 finishes
    Bronco has more 10+ win seasons

    and Bronco has NEVER lost to a conference bottom-dweller.

    Kyle lost to EVERY MWC bottom-dweller - CSU, Wyo, NM, and UNLV - in the MWC,
    and he's continuing that same dubious "distinction" in the PAC 12,
    losing to 10-loss Colorado and barely beating WSU in overtime.

    From 13-0 #2/#4 Conference Champions to 8-5 UNRANKED with a LOSING conference record is a HUGE decline whether the crimson-glasses wearing kids on the hill want to admit it, or not.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 13, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    twofer

    What Utah fans don't seem to be to grasp is,

    it's not only who you beat, but also who you don't lose to, that matters when ranking an entire season.

    BYU has been a perennial 10+ win, Top 25 team, since 1977 because, unlike the Utes, the Cougars seldom lose to bad teams.

    You can disparage BYU's 2011 schedule all you want to, but, bottom line, BYU didn't lose to ANY teams that finished with losing records.

    Utah lost to TWO teams with losing records, including one of the worst teams in the country, and barely avoided losing to 8-loss WSU.

    Utah not only loses to bad teams, Utah gets dominated by bad teams, shutout by 10-loss UNLV and completely dominated at home in the first half by 10-loss Colorado.

  • PAC 12 Punching Bag SLC, UT
    June 13, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Why do my fellow Utah fans continue to claim that finishing with a losing conference record is a huge step forward? That doesn't make any sense at all. Just because the PAC 12 chose us to be their punching bag doesn't make us anything great, we're still just filler and an easy win for the top programs. They did throw us a bone and didn't make us play the two top programs in the conference for the 1st two years, they even gave us more home games (5) than road games (4) the first year, but even then we couldn't win more than we lost.

    Our new reality is that of an also ran in an ok conference. My fellow Utah fans need to just grasp reality and enjoy the few and occasional moments we will have.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    '91

    Read the next two sentences. "The U has added new stadiums and facilities in several sports. Utah is growing and taking the steps necessary to compete in one of, if not the, greatest conference in the NCAA."

    I realize the Olympic sports struggled in their first year, but Utah is investing the money to bring these sports up to Pac-12 standards. The construction of a new softball stadium, track complex, tennis complex, state of the art football training facility, and future plans for a basketball training facility and football stadium expansion all point to the fact that Utah's athletic program is moving forward, aka improving.

    Going undefeated and winning the Sugar Bowl is not a normal season for Utah football. Winning 8-9 games, beating BYU, and winning a bowl game is more normal for the Utes so I wouldn't say the program is in decline. 2011 was just an average year for the Utes, except this time they were competing in a tougher conference with a DII QB.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    June 13, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    @cougies posting about the U decline since 2008. I'm can't believe how brilliant minded you are. In 2008 the utes didn't loose a game and finished ranked 2nd in the entire nation. So yeah unless the finished 1st or 2nd in 2009/2010/2011 it would mean they declined.

    That declining team however still waxed the Y by 44 points on their home feild! You talk about last years success because the Y was top 25. Alright then I guess they were by default becasue USC wasn't included. They beat one team that played in a bowl game Utah St. in which they needed a miracle tipped pass on their home feild to win. They again were beat down by 44 points by their rival on their home feild.

    So ok then if you want to call that season a success I'll give the Y credit for a succesful season. If the situation were completley switched however and Utah had the Y's season I would not be a happy fan. I think if some of you stepped back put the hatred aside you probably feel the same way.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 13, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    twofer

    "The U has added new stadiums and facilities in several sports. Utah is growing and taking the steps necessary to compete"

    Laying the groundwork to being competitive and actually being competitive are two VASTLY different things.

    Utah's olympic sports have always struggled, and so far, NOTHING has changed except for improving Utah's facilities. Shiny new facilities, however, are meaningless until you actually improve the product that plays in those facilities.

    ------------------
    2B

    The team that waxed the Y by 44 points, still wasn't good enough to beat a 10-loss team at home, while the team that got waxed was still good to finish in the Top 25.

    One game does not a season make. Someday, maybe, are little brothers will grasp this simple truth.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 13, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    @sammyg :)

    @NoConference "How shallow my fellow BYU fans are. Utah is building a new $30 million dollar facility for their athletic dept."

    How ignorant this "fellow" BYU fan is. Bro, BYU has had state-of-the-art, BCS-caliber facilities for 5 years. Our Indoor Practice Facility is top-notch and our Legacy Hall Sports Facility is incredible. We also have some of the best broadcasting facilities in the entire nation.

    It's nice that Utah finally got the memo that we're living in the 21st Century. However, I'm pretty sure that when BYU was building its Legacy Hall facilities, the Cougars' football facilities weren't being run out of a trailer park.

    That's just hilarious! Your state of the program = a losing record in conference play, tying with Oregon St for the least amount of games the PAC 10 aired last season...and your football facilities being run out of a trailer park.

    And one perfect storm, epic meltdown from your rival that resulted in a big win, which is what gets U fans through the day.

    As always, BYU is, and will continue to be, the standard U hold yourself to.

    Go Cougars!

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 13, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    My fellow BYU fans will never understand or accept the facts.
    Fancy toys, trophies, HD truck and other things being boasted about have not given us a real conference invite over the past 40+ years.

    And right as said before. Why post the same stats and awards over and over again? It has got us nowhere other than boosting our wins by playing WAC teams. And most of all makes fellow BYU fans look embarrassing.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 13, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    It's also embarrassing how fellow BYU fans are desperately trying to pick apart Utah's 1st season in the PAC 12.
    Some of my fellow BYU fans just can't get over the fact that we were not invited, and No Conference Will Take Us.

    And if and when the time comes we do go somewhere. We will be a middle of the road team anyway. We could not compete week after week in a conference like the BIG 12. we are better off independent playing WAC teams.

  • PAC 12 Punching Bag SLC, UT
    June 13, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    My fellow Utah fans will never understand or accept the facts.
    Being invited to be the punching bag of a conference is nothing for us to boast about. It was obviously a good move for the PAC 12 as we finished with losing records in almost every single sport.

    And right as said before. Why post the same 54-10 score over and over again? It has gotten us nowhere in convincing anyone we should have been ranked above BYU. In the end all of the pollsters were far more impressed with BYU's 10-3 season than our 8-5 season with a losing conference record and a home loss to the worst road team in the entire NCAA. And most of all makes fellow Utah fans look embarrassing.

  • PAC 12 Punching Bag SLC, UT
    June 13, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    I's also embarrassing how fellow Utah fans are desperately trying to pick apart BYU's 1st independent season.
    Some of my fellow Utah fans just can't get over the fact that Utah is completely incapable of doing that same thing. We must have better schools to prop us up and carry us.

    And if and when the time comes we find ourselves improved. We will be at best a middle of the PAC team anyway. We can't compete week after week in a conference like the PAC 12. We were better off in the MWC playing Wyoming, UNLV, CSU, and NM. Of course we still managed to lose to all of them so I guess losing to Colorado might be considered better than losing to UNLV.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 13, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    @No Conference "Some of my fellow BYU fans just can't get over the fact that we were not invited, and No Conference Will Take Us."

    And as I've said before, who cares? We've got ESPN, independence, a national brand, and a nationwide following.

    U have a trailer park and KJZZ.

    I posted the following on another article, so here are some more of those 'repetitive' fun stats for U No Conference (BTW, I love how U fans get upset when BYU fans post stats and figures over and over again, since U have nothing to counter it with except your inane opinions, lol):

    Number of time Utah was on National (national being ESPN networks, ABC, NBC, etc) TV during 2011 regular season: 2

    National TV appearances for comparable 'relevant' teams:
    Kansas: 1 (yay, U beat the 2-10 Jayhawks)
    Duke: 4
    Maryland: 6
    Iowa St.: 3
    Ol' Miss: 7
    Colorado: 3
    Oregon St.: 2
    Kentucky: 6
    Syracuse: 5

    That's some good, relevant company there.

    National Appearances for ACTUAL relevant teams during regular season:
    Alabama: 9
    LSU: 10
    Oregon: 7
    Stanford: 8
    Oklahoma: 8
    Florida St.: 10
    BYU: 10

    Keep trying, little brother.

    Go Cougars!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 13, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    Here we go again with stat obsessed kitty cat fans. That's easy to understand, its all you have.

    Look at the list you created with your meltdown truecoug1. TV ratings for BYU are nowhere near the other teams you mentioned. And please for the sake of their fans, don't compare BYU with Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma and the rest.
    Come on, BYU is not relevant at all in that category. BYU can be on TV 50 times and it only matters to BYU hopefuls like yourself. If you don't win nobody else will watch, and nobody outside of Provo is listening.

    How many names do you go by here?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 13, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    truecoug1 said:

    " And as I've said before, who cares? We've got ESPN, independence, a national brand, and a nationwide following.

    U have a trailer park and KJZZ."

    Uh huh. Another one of those "feel successful" moments again.
    Who cares what you have. How can anyone be proud of a WAC legacy masquerading as a national brand?
    At the end of the day its what the scoreboard says.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    *Considers the 160+ comments, reads about a dozen, decides to ignore them all.*

    Congrats to BYU on winning this. Hopefully things will improve for Utah in the coming years with PAC-12 recognition though I suspect BYU probably will consistently win this most years. After all, let's face it, Utah's at a natural disadvantage when it comes to drawing recruits for a lot of these sports compared to BYU since BYU has automatic national reach due to being the LDS school so they have a pretty decent shot at a huge chunk of the 1.7% of the nation (and probably more like 2-2.5% of the recruits considering the LDS church is a young people's church because of larger family size). Utah well... there's no obvious reason for a tennis player from say... pennsylvania to go to Utah. I imagine that'd be a similar story for BYU if it were a public school.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 13, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica

    Here we go again with opinion obsessed Utie fans. That's easy to understand, it's all U have.

    "TV ratings for BYU are nowhere near the other teams you mentioned."

    Any stats to back that claim up? Everything I've seen has our TV ratings from 1.4 (interestingly enough, that happened against U) to 3.1 (Texas game, though TCU was pretty high, too). Not great, but definitely not bad, and definitely better than KJZZ.

    I'm not comparing the TEAM to powerhouse programs like Alabama, Oklahoma, etc. Those teams are perennial powerhouses, though BYU has proven to be a perennial Top 25 team.

    I was simply pointing out that ESPN and other networks air more games of teams that are RELEVANT than teams that aren't.

    As I have pointed out numerous times, your own conference doesn't think U are relevant. U tied Oregon St for the fewest number of games aired on the PAC 10 networks, your one game on ESPN2 was because of your big brother in Provo, and BYU's RUGBY team had as many games on ESPNU as U.

    U are irrelevant and U haven't posted anything to contradict that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 13, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    @atl134

    But BYU isn't a public school, it is a private school. And you are correct BYU has advantages, and always will. pac12 membership is not going help utah much when it comes to these sports, if anything they may get worse results because the pac12 is known for Olympic sports so competing against schools that are generally at, or near, the top of the nation in these types of sports is just not realistic. The fact utah was only at best spottily competitive in the MWC and the WAC in these things does not bode well.

    But since you didn't read the comments, and I can't really blame you for that, let me just fill you in on them.

    BYU fans "we're obviously better overall than utah in our athletic department".

    utah "fans" "we don't care ut anything other than football, 54-10, and BYU is irrelevent anyway".

    So no you do not need to go back and read any of it because it is all right there.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 13, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica "How can anyone be proud of a WAC legacy masquerading as a national brand?"

    As opposed to being proud of a non-WAC legacy program masquerading as a 'relevant' team in a 'big boy' conference?

    Of course I'm proud of BYU. They're the flagship football program of the state that U compare yourself to, as evidenced by your comment "At the end of the day its what the scoreboard says."

    Like I've said before, that is what gets Ute fans through the day, the complete meltdown, 7 TO gift by their rival that led to a big win.

    U know U aren't relevant and U know that the PAC 12 doesn't think U are relevant. BYU has set the standard for U fans. Why else would U be on here, hailing all the way from Oregon, stomping your feet and trying to get the attention of Big Brother in Provo?

    Why aren't U on the Oregon Duck boards, stomping your feet and proclaiming how you're going to beat them in the CCG this year?

    Answer: because BYU is the standard U hold yourself to.

    Once a little bro, always a little bro.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 13, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    Lol, I should've put "As opposed to a NON-legacy WAC program..."

    Blast, I botched that smack talk :)

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 13, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    NOA

    How can anyone be proud of a conference punching bag masquerading as a big boy?

    8th in football
    11th in basketball
    11th of 11 in baseball
    12th in golf - +59 over par, 16 strokes behind 11th place
    5th of 6 in swimming - 258 points behind 4th place
    7th of 8 in tennis

    doesn't even compete in cross-country, indoor or outdoor track & field

    average Utah finished - 2nd to last

    Call us when U win your first PAC 12 championship in ANY sport besides women's gymnastics.

    BYU has better chance of winning a championship against PAC 12 teams than Utah.

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 13, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    "Cougars win war vs. Utes despite gridiron meltdown"

    Bottom line:

    Independent BYU > PAC 12 Utah

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    @ Just the FAX

    I agree with you. My point is that the move to the PAC-12 has been good for the athletics program at the U and that putting money into the olympic sports will help improve them. Now I doubt Utah will ever be a perennial contender in most of the olympic sports but I think with time and monetary investment Utah will be able to compete at an adequate level in conf.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 14, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching

    You seem like a fairly reasonable Utah fan, which is something sorely lacking around here, so here is a serious question and I promise not to mock your answer.

    What do you mean by "compete at an adequate level"? Or probably more precisely what level would you consider adequate for Utah in their conference and what would satisfy you?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 15, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    This all proves that BYU is "The University of Utah", and yes, 54-10 was a fluke to relive ute stress.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2012 3:44 a.m.

    @DH

    I think competing at an adequate level for olympic sports at Utah would mean finishing in the top half of the conf. and possibly challenging for a title (in each individual sport) a few times each decade. It's unreasonable to expect the U to be a powerhouse in the olympic sports with the number of perennial top 10 teams the Pac-12 boasts in every sport; especially considering the advantages the California and Arizona schools naturally hold. Hopefully the U will reach that elite level someday though.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 16, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching

    I agree, it is unreasonable to expect Utah to be a powerhouse in that league. If they can be competitive, and win a few here and there, then that is probably a realistic expectation.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 16, 2012 11:59 p.m.

    Duckhunter is more interested in Utah's expectations than BYU. Understandable. There is not much to expect from BYU.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 17, 2012 7:21 a.m.

    @waccy

    Actually BYU finished in the top 10 in two more sports this last week as well as grabbing another couple of national championships over the last month. That is on top of top 25 finishes in several other sports. BYU fans EXPECT that, we're accustomed to it.

    Of course utah "fans" like yourself are not accustomed to it nor do you expect it, and why would you? utah has no real history of accomplishment in anything other than a couple of sports and this last year they didn't really accomplish much of anything in any sport other than womens gymnastics. As a matter of fact utah finished at the bottom of their league in every single sport but womens gymnastics were they managed to pull out a runner up. Congratulations?

    p.s. And as the article noted utah was dominated by BYU across the board, not even close. Not even a competition really. Kinda pathetic.