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Frank Pignanelli & LaVarr Webb: The next six months will be a wild ride for Mormons

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  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    April 15, 2012 5:56 a.m.

    I welcome the opportunity of having more interest in who we really are and what we really believe. Amazingly in this "information age" there is so much misinformation about the church. As members, we should use this moment to tell our non LDS friends what and why we really believe, in a way that is thoughtful, kind and respectful of others' beliefs (or non beliefs). Most of all, we just need to be decent, caring people and "walk the talk".

    Let's stop focusing on the wacko fringe on both sides. I'm tired of the D-News constant daily stories on who-said-something-that offends-us. We need to be a little more thick skinned and classy in the way we handle misperceptions. Maybe the News can reprint quotes from Pres. Hinckley and Elder Ballard on how to handle things with our non LDS neighbors. Be active on Belief-oriented blogs in a positive way. Let's just be ourselves and not worry so much about what others think of us.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    April 15, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    It will be fun to watch how this thing unfold ...a wild ride indeed for mormons, and a lot of fun too.

  • goatesnotes Kamas, UT
    April 15, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    We sometimes forget just how divisive religion has always been since the beginning of the Republic. Adams accused Jefferson of being the Anti-Christ, and asserted he would burn every Bible in America if elected. Jefferson accused Adams of being a serial adulterer, and said he would destroy the morality of Americans.

    Of course, neither said to each other's face - it was all done through surrogates. Sound familiar?

  • David King Layton, UT
    April 15, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    This article points to what many of us have been saying, that the support of Mitt Romney among Mormons has as much to do with his religion as his policy positions. We're fascinated by the prospects of a Mormon in the White House, or a "Mormon moment" or whatever you want to call it. I understand it. It's natural for minority groups to seek understanding and greater acceptance through promotion and recognition of their best-known members. But who would look me in the eyes, and tell me with a straight face, that if Mitt Romney were not Mormon, he would still be receiving 90%+ of the vote here in our state? What do the majority of LDS believe about the bank bailout, the stimulus package, individual mandates for health insurance, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, or adherence to the Constitution when it comes to other civil liberties or issues like Presidential war-making? If we support Mitt Romney and agree with his stand on all these issues, then we really should vote for President Obama, because they agree on all of them, and at least the President has been consistent in those positions.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    April 15, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    @ eastcoastcoug

    I agree with that there could be less of "stories on who-said-something-that offends-us." as well as the Pro-Mitt fluff masquerading as news/

    However, I don't think it will happen. Why? Sensationalism sells & in 21st century America its all about the bottom line.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    April 15, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Before you hit back with anti-Obama comments...
    Are LDS people at all concerned with the comments and criticism that Mitt Romney is making about every single solitary issue? NRA comments are the most recent lies from Romney.
    Romney's criticisms are, many times, untrue statements about President Obama's policies in different areas.
    We know our President has had difficulties. US Presidency is not an easy job. Obviously, government problems abound.
    But, the lying and blatancy of untruths coming out of a person such as Romney, who is touted to be above such behavior because of his religious back round, is becoming more and more apparent each day.
    There is no question that the LDS Church will be spotlighted, but it is not going to be in the way Mormons had hoped for.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    April 15, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Holy cow! After all Pres. Obama has done to destroy America financially, folks still continue to support this failed direction. Rampant socialism drives America at warp speed to be another Greece.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    @Rikitikitavi
    "After all Pres. Obama has done to destroy America financially"

    Well yeah, we've gained jobs over 24 straight months. As for the deficit? It'd be lower if it weren't for the wars (and doubling of defense spending the past decade), the bush tax cuts, the unfunded entitlement expansion (the prescription drug expansion of medicare passed under bush). and the recession itself. The bailouts were loans that were paid back, The stimulus is only 700 billion of the 4 trillion in deficits, and obamacare, as people note frequently, hasn't had the spending part go into effect. So what was the other 3 trillion in deficit under Obama from? Mostly bush-era policies and the recessions' depressing impact on revenue. What does Romney want? More defense spending and more tax cuts, both increase the deficit. He's not outlined a serious deficit reduction plan so if that's your reason to support him... prepare to be disappointed.

  • sciencepete Provo, UT
    April 15, 2012 1:22 p.m.

    @David King-

    Not sure I completely agree with you. While most assuredly his support wouldn't be as strong were he not Mormon, Utah (and most LDS) are so overwhelmingly republican, they would probably vote for him in just as large of numbers, simply because he is the republican front runner. But who knows for sure.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    April 15, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    As a non-member, I would appreciate it if the LDS Church would simply come out and openly address the key issues that seem to be causing all of the concern and misunderstanding. It has been my experience that bringing to light issues leads to quick resolution and better understanding. It is better for the LDS Church to define who they are rather than let it be done through the media. The recent PR campaign of the Church has let members tell their story but that does not answer alot of the doctrinal questions or explain the issues that people have problems understanding. Is anyone else with me on this suggestion? I would also like to know why the Church leadership does not take this opportunity to address these things out in the open and put this to rest.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    April 15, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    per t702

    Should the least little thing go wrong, the persecution card will be played like it NEVER has been before.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    April 15, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    per The Deuce

    "I would also like to know why the Church leadership does not take this opportunity to address these things out in the open and put this to rest."

    If they did not w/ the whole Glenn Beck/Social Justice controversy why would they now?

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    April 15, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    Like it or not Utah, Romney's religion is a big a factor in this election cycle as it was in 2008, even though it was a constant topic of discussion among pundits and voters. There's a sucker born every minute is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum an American showman, (1 year, 525 600 minutes or suckers.) The Koch Brother's think we are the ultimate disposable society that can't think on our own, just lead by your "puppet-master" Congress, these Koch Brother's that invented Libertarianism along with RINO/GOP bureaucrats and politicians in Washington DC reminds me of "Elite Showdogs" that is an invitation-only e-mail list of long-time breeders, K Street and Wall Street exhibitors and judges that are judicial activist's. These politicians in Washington DC wear a GPS collar attachment to be found faster, so these K Street and Wall Street exhibitors can walk them around using a chain in circles until their dizzy enough to cave into them and give them what they want.

    Obama will eat Romney alive in their 3 debates.

    Deseret News needs to stop the steady diet of Romney.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    April 15, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    re: Rikitikitavi 9:40 a.m. April 15, 2012

    "Rampant socialism drives America at warp speed to be another Greece."

    Interesting comment coming from someone in a country w/ socialized medicine.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    April 15, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    It may be a strong possibility but I think MR Romney has still not even got half of the delegates he will need to make his nomination certain.

    Why not stick to reporting the news and not making any assumptions. People want a two man race and they want it now? Sorry, it's not over til it's over; this has been an unusual race with odd happenings occurring and strange vote counting by the various GOP leaderships especially in Nevada and Maine, and some mighty strange reporting by the media.

    Winners declared with only 3% of the vote in was one thing that has annoyed me during this strange and disturbing contest. Anyone remember the events in Iowa; Santorum giving a premature "vitory speech", Romney tentatively conceding defeat. Then Romney was declared the winner after all the votes were said to be in, and then Santorum was the winner again.

    Anyone remember Clark County, Nevada; they stopped announcing results with half of the votes uncounted, then two or three days later the GOP announced a winner by declaration? What about Maine when several precincts were not included in the tally? Still puzzled what happened in that one.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    April 15, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    David King

    Religion certainly brings Mitt Romney more support among some members of the Church and less among some non-members.

    I lived in a very Catholic community when JFK was in the White House. I think his support was deeper because of his religion. Bush II was heavily supported by evangelicals. Barak Obama got more black support than another Democratic nominee would have. We all tend to like someone who we think better reflects us.

    There is nothing new under the sun . . .

    No Fit in SG

    I think much of what you bring up is just what (unfortunately) passes for standard in modern political discourse.

    Let's be realistic. In the coming months, everything Mitt has said or done will be bad according to the Obama camp. From the Romney side, nothing Obama has ever said or done will have been even remotely correct.

    And you are right about the presidency. It must be a phenomenally hard job. Anyone who does it deserves a significant amount of slack. But that is not the nature of our politics . . .

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    @sciencepete
    He got 90% of the Utah primary vote in 2008 when he didn't even win the nomination. In the general it might not make much of a difference (consider that Obama only did slightly better in the black vote than Kerry in the general) other than enhanced turnout (like Obama had with blacks) but in the primary... there's a strong LDS skew towards him, (he got 85% of the LDS vote in Nevada).

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    April 15, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    I'm shocked, shocked, that my fellow Utahns would vote on the basis of religion...

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    April 16, 2012 3:00 a.m.

    The biggest perpetuators of Mormon myths that I have seen are those who have lived in Utah all their lives, So called "Jack Mormons" as well as non-Mormons. No problem. However, I hear the most ridiculous things. And so many things taken out of context so as to result in complete disinformation. So many adamantly cling to traditions of what they think Mormons believe. Too many get their Mormon 101 lessons from South Park and The Mormon Musical. Honest differences in interpretation and doctrine is fine but deliberate deception about any other group is unchristian. and unbiblical. Fortunately, I have seen more and more Christian churches whose pastors, while still clarifying differences, practice a more pure Christianity and have risen above this type of behavior. Joel Osteen is one good example.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    April 16, 2012 7:25 a.m.

    It's going to be a lot of smoke and mirrors, sound and fury, fire and ice. And when all is said and done, Obama will be reelected.

    But, if Mormons and the Mormon Church respond to this unwanted attention with dignity and truth, religious bigotry and intolerance will be marginalized. And that becomes the lasting and most valuable political legacy of candidate Mitt Romney.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 16, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    Re: The Deuce

    "It is better for the LDS Church to define who they are rather than let it be done through the media."

    The LDS Church has been doing just that for over a century. The next time our two young representatives come knocking at your door try letting them in and allow them to teach you about our beliefs. When was the last time you picked up and read the Book of Mormon to understand our doctrines?

    The media will always say whatever the need to say just to sell their product. If you want to know the facts about the Mormon Church study what the Church says.. not the vile lies of the haters.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    April 16, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    "The next six months will be a wild ride for Mormons".

    It sure will, If I have anything to say about it!

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    April 16, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    While Mitt Romney and RINO's in Congress embrace the Koch Brother's, it's time they paid their fair share in taxes to. Tax woes of the rich and famous even these 10 celebrities who became well known to the Internal Revenue Service, proving that fame doesn't exempt anyone from paying Uncle Sam. Small business tax cheats. A $122 billion problem. Ja Rule, money owed $1 million plus penalties. Prison sentence: two to three years. The rapper and actor pleaded guilty to tax evasion last year in a Newark, N.J., federal court. Admitting that he hadn't paid tax from earnings in 2004 and 2006, Ja Rule will pay more than $1 million in back taxes and penalties and serve two years in prison. The MTV Video Music Award winner did catch a break. He will be able to serve his federal sentence concurrently with the two years he'll already be serving in New York for a 2007 incident the same incident that put rapper Lil Wayne behind bars for nine months.


    "The next six months will be a wild ride for Mormons".I just can't wait till the 3 Romney-Obama debates begin.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 16, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    Let’s see, how did that old saying go again?....

    “Be careful for what you wish for, ‘cause you just might get it.”

    Mitt helped Utah look good for the Olympics,
    Can he, will he do the same for the LDS Church?

    As far as his waffling and flip-flopping go, having Integrity is not coming across as a good Mormon trait.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    April 16, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    I doubt there will be a lot of negative words against the LDS in this campaign; if a person talks hate, it says more about themselves and they condemn themselves and look silly. Any intelligent person knows this. As Paul was told on the way to Damascus, "It is stupid to kick a cactus forever." Let it go. Move on. The devil doesn't want disaster and hurricanes and earthquakes and 9-11 types of crises everyday of our lives because we would all turn to prayer and family and community in a half second and he doesn't want that; instead, it is subtle, gradual, imperceptible types of deception out there: lack of faith in one person, lack of light in another, until it adds up to communities and entire families. The irony is, if there is a lot of anti-religion feelings, it makes religious people more faithful---it is proof there is evil and hate and if there is evil and hate, there must be goodness and a God. Also we know how to take it and laugh at humor. Which elders quorum would move the Romneys in???

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    April 16, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    If Romney does not have all the same viewpoints as Ron Paul I don't want him elected. I think he will be worse than Obama given his track record.

    Romney just like Obama will only serve their Bilderberg masters and not care on iota about you or me.

  • JM Lehi, UT
    April 16, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    I agree that activists are gearing up to attack Romney's faith, especially on gay issues etc, and Mormon haters will "ferociously" attack the Church.

    They have been going after the Church already, for 200 years, and especially lately. They are on the DN and every major media source. Sometimes they pretend to be LDS, sometimes investigators, etc, anything but what they are (your friendly neighborhood anti-Mormons
    : ))

    They tell me this (from Tribune comments):

    "We are going to go after your church every day."
    "I would delight if every Mormon....voting for 08, ended up unemployed, penniless and starving on the street. Drive them into the ground..."

    "Good bye LD$ Inc, I look forward to the day you become a dead religion!"

    One quotes Boggs saying 'hasten your operation, Mormons are enemies, increase your force, ecterminate' etc then gives a "cha CHING!" after.

    It seems that hatred is terribly disappointed that everyone doesn't fall for the propaganda. The last thing extremists (on the right and left) want is for people to like Mormons.

    It'll be fun : ) returning love to their hate....

    Go to FAIR lds, Black lds etc, prepare and smile as they profane : )

  • Hot Carl Provo, UT
    April 16, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    test

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 16, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Anti Bush-Obama
    Washington, DC
    If Romney does not have all the same viewpoints as Ron Paul I don't want him elected. I think he will be worse than Obama given his track record.

    Romney just like Obama will only serve their Bilderberg masters and not care on iota about you or me.

    ==============

    Why do we see eye-to-eye and agree who the REAL Gadiantons are,
    Yet you still vote Republican?

  • John S. Harvey Sandy, UT
    April 16, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    The Evangelicals dislike Ronmey because he is LDS, the Democrats dislike him because of his proposals. (Or at least his party's proposals, who knows what his really are?)

    Democrats only care about his religion to the extent he might be someone who does whatever he is told to do by his religious leaders. Given his history in Massachusetts (support for abortion rights, etc.) I don't think Romney qualifies as someone who would toe the Church's line.

    So I think the Democrats will be much more concerned about Romney's recent statements on taxes, medical care, abortion rights, financial regulation, and consumer protection than his religion.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    April 16, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    To: OnlyInUtah - Cottonwood Heights, UT: I believe you may have misunderstood me. While I have a great deal of respect for any person who takes time out of their life in the pursuit of helping others, these young missionaries are not often equiped with the knowledge or understanding of the issues that people are asking about. I have spoken with the missionaries and they do struggle trying to explain many of the issues that are in the media. Their comments do not often explain or add understanding. They are still learning themselves and are focused on teaching the basics of the Gospel. This is why I believe it is better for the LDS Church leadership to come out and address these issues. There are some very accomplished men in leadership positions withing the LDS Church. I am sure they could do quite well if given the opportunity.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 16, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    Re: A Scientist Provo, UT
    "It sure will, If I have anything to say about it!"

    You'll get your chance to vote just like everybody else. Romney is already ahead in 3 polls and he hasn't even gotten the Republican nomination yet. It is only going to get worse for Obama as gasoline prices go up, the Supreme Court buries Obamacare.

    To make matters worse for Obama look for Romney to make a shrewd VP pick. The Republican slogan will be "It's the economy stupid".

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2012 9:50 p.m.

    I agree with Ann Romeny. I can't wait until the presidential campaign, when they unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out. He fooled conservatives into thinking he was one of them. Hate to think we have to elect him President to find out what Mitt Romney is really really like.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    April 16, 2012 11:18 p.m.

    To the Deuce in CA: media thinks religion is boring and dull; media craves a new story-- not prayer, faith, scripture study, marriage, nor early to bed & early to rise. Media and universities and Hollywood have ignored religion for a very long time and now want religion to explain itself? Media and universities and Hollywood are boring and dull: nothing new from them in a very long time.