I totally support this idea. We need our young people seeing this movie.
Teachers and school administators in charge of discipline should be encouraged
to view this film.It is my opinion it is a low priority in our
public schools.Administrators who fail to enforce "anti bullying
policies" should be held accountable!Bullying is not tolerated
in adults life why is it toleratted in our schools?The answer
"We were just playing around" should not be tolerated
I don't care the rating, I'm going to see it, and I urge many, many
parent to see it. I'm a grandpa and my life is still scarred from the
"harmless fun" my school mates had at my expense. My 12 years of public
education taught me I'm a worthless Nobody, and in the 40 year since
I've still to overcome it. If this moving keeps one child from the path
I've led, then it will be worth it.
Both my daughter and I have been bullied. The hardest part to deal with is that
most people in a position of authority side with the bullies. Bullies are seen
as winners and those being bullied are seen as losers. Authority figures have a
bias towards people they view as potential new leaders. Most often those at the
front of the pack got there by being bullies and pushing down anyone who
competes with them in any way. I most freqently get bullied by people
who go through life on looks alone. This was true when I was in school and is
still true in the workplace. When they figure out how much more intelligent I am
than they are, they try to level the playing field through bullying.Our
society sets a very high premium on winning at any cost. To reduce or eliminate
bullying, it would take a major shift towards a more socialist mindset. I
don't see us trending in that direction.
Encouraging others to step in is the wrong to do. Look what it did for Mr.
Zimmerman. Getting involved will only get you in trouble too. Let authorities
handle the matter.
I think one trivializes school administration to suggest this is not a priority
in schools. It is. My kids have had extensive anti-bullying training in both
states in which they've attended public school. The fact remains that it
occurs because bullying is human nature--it's an option to anyone who is
striving to get power. And the truth is we all crave (and need some kind of)
power. The reason bullying is a serious problem today is because many children
simply don't have the support from extended family and parents on how to
deal with it. And school officials are often unable to combat it, due to the
fact that they have no power to create real-world consequences or an impact in
the lives of the bullies or the bullied. The despondency a child feels creates
extremely sad consequences in the form of extreme violence either to self or
just against everyone.
Part of this is a parent problem. Parents need to teach their children how to
handle a bully and also teach their children to not become a bully. Once again,
the break down of the family plays a major role in this problem.
I teach in a private high school and I am going to write letters to my students
parents asking for permission show show Bully, next fall. Even if the R rating
isn't removed, this is a movie that must be shown to students, teacher and
administrators. Spoiler Alert---I heard a crowded theatre groan in unison at the
actions of some of the teachers and administrators as they inexpertly attempted
to "deal" with bullying. You will see some of the stupidest adult
behavior you have ever witnessed in this film. I also saw grown men crying as
they left the theatre. This movie is not a depressing downer, it is a flat out
challenge to adults to show some character and to quit resting behind the adages
of cowards and low people, "oh, well--kid's will be kids." Remove
the R rating. Bully is amazing!
I view very few "R" films but as a Scoutmaster, I think I owe it to
myself and my scouts to see this one.
I heard an interesting story about a bully from a classmate at the U. There was
a big muscular guy in his small hometown in Nebraska who delighted in beating
up other guys.The bully however was also an epileptic. One day when the bully
was beating some guy up, he had a seizure! The would be victim turned on his now
helpless tormenter and proceeded to stomp the bully into a bloody pulp!I never
heard what happened after that but hopefully a taste of his own medicine taught
the bully a lesson.
It sounds like this is a very important film and I plan to watch it and have my
children watch it when they are old enough to spur thoughtful discussion.However, there are two things that bug me every time I've read
about this.First, I have a hard time picturing the scene of an adult
with a video camera (and likely more than one adult) nearby and kids behaving
the way they are being described. My experience with bullying growing up was
universally that bullies tried to hide their behavior from adults. I'm
having a hard time figuring this out... either kids have gotten WAY more bold,
these victims are being targeting by pretty kids who have anti-social disorders,
or the action is staged (not that that would make it less important).Second, it bothers me a little that the footage and money generated by such a
project wouldn't have been used to intervene ultimately on behalf of the
kids that needed it, or needed counseling or needed schools to be more
proactive. The suicides of the kids being highlighted seems like it could have
been averted, given how many were aware of the problems.
You're kidding yourself if you think bullying stops with adulthood. Just
look at Rush Limbaugh.
I don't know the facts about why it got the rating it did, but if it
deserved an R rating then its the film makers who need to make the change not
In several experiments with rats the following behavior patterns wrere observed:
1. Unusual endocrine activity causing emotional disorders. 2. More
communicable disease caused by infection from fighting and rapid spread because
of close association. 3. Excessive aggression and fighting (antisocial
behavior).4. Neglect and abandonment (even killing and cannibalization) of
the young.5. Inappropriate sexual behavior.Thus when we see an
increase in bullying, other forms of agression, promisquity, abortion,crime,
drug use, emotional disorders, unnatural sexual behaviors, child neglect,
divorce, etc. it may be attributed to the very crowded conditions in which human
beings are living. Increases in these behaviors have been anticipated for over
40 years. Under these conditions, bullying is just as "natural" as
homosexuality. And so is the ability of human beings to control these unhealthy
impulses. For an excellent summary of this research see: Charles H. Southwick,
The Ohio Journal of Science, 71 (2):65, March 1971, THE BIOLOGY AND PSYCHOLOGY
OF CROWDING IN MAN AND ANIMALS
JSB's cited research is quite thought provoking. My guess, however, is
that many people don't like the notion that many of the
'disorders' cited are actually undesirable, i.e. promiscuity; drug
abuse. We live in a society where we believe that the solution to most problems
is to take a pill, or request the behavior in question to be voted in as
normal.Much of society doesn't like to be told that their
particular life style is inappropriate,and to a degree this is understandable.
None of us wants to be told that we could stand to make some improvements in our
lives. And I realize it's not the best solution, but sometimes I wish the
bullied could hit back without the fear of litigation.
re. ulvegaard. You're right. I was the smallest in my class and I hated
bullies. But bullying seems more common now and more vicious. The trouble is
that some "disorders" are politically correct and so they are
acceptable. Other's aren't. But, they are all symptomatic of a very
sick society. When you look at conditions in our cities, I wonder if Juarez,
Mexico is a prototype for our whole society in a few years. Read the Southwick
article. It will open your eyes.
I have seen advertisements lately showing the film to be PG-13, so perhaps the
appeal and petitions finally succeeded?@ahmyers - Your two points
show you need to be made aware of a few things: The whole documentary was not
staged, but the children simply came to accept the cameras after a while and did
not care that they were there. Not even the bullies. The phenomenon is very
common in documentary, reality, filmmaking. Early in the history of cinema the
theory was that by putting a camera on something you changed it, but now it is
known that the change is only until the self-consciousness wears off. We all
know children are the least self conscious of anyone.Also, the
suicides you feel could have been avoided during the course of this documentary
did not occur during filming. They happened beforehand and their stories are
weaved into the others.Regardless of any rating or no rating at all,
I am a temple-attending Latter-day Saint and I plan to take my three sons 10,
12, and 14 to see this film. Afterwards I will still consider myself a worthy
Latter-day Saint, and answer all questions "Yes."
The funny thing about bullies is that when they grow up they tend as adults not
to be very successful or for that matter happy as they have issues and try hard
to live in the past; their glory days. as such they tend to get their due in
other ways. As for the kids being bullied I would take boxing and let him have
it as a bully knows nothing but force and will tend to cower away when faced
with force greater than his own. This film is a good thing.
Good to see LDS here who recognize that R-rated films which contain violence not
of the gratuitous kind, such as this film, do not violate our standards but, in
fact, justify them (refer to the current verbage in the Strength of Youth
pamphlet). Conversely, I recently saw the unsavory PG-13 film The Vow at a
theater in Pleasant Grove and was saddened to see impressionable 11 and 12 year
olds in the audience. Why would anyone ever hand over to a Rating Board their
I believ that both the school and parents need to take an active role in
stopping the bullies, too many lost of young life has aread happen and it needs
to be stopped before it gets worse. I am a granpa and I have 3 grandchildren 1
in school right now and two that aren't. I have taught my grand son to
stand up for what is right, as I did his father. I also believe that until the
school plays a major role in this problem than you are just fighting a losing
battle and there needs to be some pushiment to the ones doing the bulling.
Everyone needs to take an active role in stoping this pratice, before more young
lifes are lost. I am also a retired Law Enforcement Officer and in my last years
have seen the bad result in the bulling pratices.
A week or so ago the DN ran a companion piece on youth-on-youth bullying in LDS
wards. If the Brethren are so concerned about youth retention, they need to
address this issue through more proactive articles in the Ensign and the DN. As
the article stated above pecking orders are part and parcel with growing up.
This begs the question of whether Social Darwinism is part of the Gospel Is the
Gospel and Church membership only for the popular, the hamdsome, the Alpha males
and females and, those who can trace their Church membership back to the 1830s?
? I think not...
I think it is a shame to think that schools have not made bullying a priority.
It is being handled in every school I know. We as teachers care a great deal
about stopping bullying. One problem we have at our school is that some parents
teach their children to hit the bully back. We cannot have that happen. It is
a safety issue as well. Let's try some other strategies besides that one.
Bullying is a problem in our schools but it is also a problem in our government.
Liberals leader have adopted a bullying mentality in regard to how
they deal with social and economic issues. Liberal leaders at all levels of
government are displaying contempt for American citizens and American rights and
freedoms granted by the constitution.Liberal leaders be they
Presidents, Governors or Mayors and even the media are destroying this country
by using threatening tactics and cynical remarks regarding another persons point
of view. The problem stems from the top. Obama recently, said to congreass
"Pass Immigration reform or else". Where is the spirit of
cooperation?Government leaders are acting like gang members walking
the streets, picking fights with fellow Americans."Handcuffing a
7 year old boy" teaches the wrong lessons to our youth. The Intimidation and
disrepect for opposing points of view by government leaders, officials and talk
show hosts is destroying this country. It needs to stop!!We need a
return to conserative values and ideals where citizens treat each other with
dignity and respect. As Americans, we need to be united, not divided!