I'm an Eisenhower Republican. Another way of phrasing that is to say I'm a
Well said. Republicans would do well to choose a candidate they could live with
and independents could feel good about rather than a candidate they love but who
Senator Bennett,From this and other pieces you have written it has
become apparent to me that you are caring, intelligent, and politically astute.
The nation is the worse for your loss.Radicalism will not benefit
either party and it will not benefit the nation (in part because it cannot lead
the nation). Our politics favor center right or center left candidates. The
farther up the food chain, the more this is true.The ability to
govern as president requires that person to be able to work effectively with
both sides of the aisle. If they cannot, they will accomplish little. Our
constitution requires some degree of unanimity for change to take place. And
that is how it should be. A president who fully alienates the other side will
accomplish nothing.When selecting a president for our own party, one
of the key issues should always be does the individual have a track record of
working effectively with those of the other party?
General Eisenhower vied with Robert Taft for the 1952 nomination, not William
Hioward Taft his father whop served as Presdient from 1908-1912 and wasd later
the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Which is why the GOP has no chance in 2012. Which is why every week there is a
different contestant in the GOP circus. One week it's Romney the other it's
Santorum, etc. They're trying too hard to appease their radical
right tea party groups which turns everybody else off.It's
ultimately going to come down to this, does the GOP want to go back to it's
moderate roots or continue on their current path of ultra-conservative
destruction? If they continue down the path, there's no election in
the near future that they will win.
The campaign for the Democrat Presidential nomination in 2008 lasted until June
so it's not like this is out of the ordinary.I sort of understand Senator
Bennett's point but there isn't a mythical "tea party" candidate in
the remaining field. Other than Ron Paul the remaining candidates are basically
centrist type Republicans. I know some Americans are frightened by Santorum
because they don't understand that some people actually have values. The column
doesn't say this but I guess it must imply that Barack Obama is a centrist. The
tone of his voice is the only thing "moderate" about Obama. If you
read what he says and observe his actions you'll understand that he is on the
far left of the Democrat party (and that's Bernie Sanders territory).
Barack Obama said that he would cut the deficit in half (he increased it by at
least 500 billion per year) Barack Obama told you with his stimulus plan
unemployment would not go over 8%- it did. Barack Obama promised you that you
would not lose your health insurance coverage under Obamacare- you will if you
haven't already. Don't listen to the words- look at the actions and results.
There are a few things in life I've changed my mind about..but not too many.
I've voted both republican and democratic yet I don't consider myself an
independent. Tom Friedman nailed it perfectly for me when he coined the pharse
a "radical moderate". For me the term radical denotes my acceptance
of reality and the public policies that reality requires. A country
with hundreds of millions of citizens, more races, ethnicitys, life styles, and
philosophys than can be counted. A nation with an economy that is moving
towards a post industrial phase, and symbiotically linked to the economies of
the rest of the world. A nation with a society where a majority of its wealth is
concentrated in the hands of a small minority of it's citizens, simply must be
governed and run differently than an argarian society of a few hundred thousand
white men in order to survive. This might not be the way some think
the world and country should look, but it does. So what does the middle look
like policy wise..it accepts reality, and honors the desire of the founders to
allow all, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Senator Bennett is unfortunately correct in most of his assertions. Much of the
electorate make their choices based on what the media tells them is acceptable
and most of the media hates true conservatism and true constitutionalism. Where
he is wrong is stating that only centrist candidates CAN be elected once they
are nominated. His old position is now held by a very effective true
constitutionalist. We have a president who is an extreme liberal (albeit he
talks like a moderate conservative when it serves). A growing number of
congresspeople espouse extreme positions on both ends of the spectrum and are
still elected. As we as a nation move closer and closer to economic and societal
disaster, those who are less "status-quo" and more "extreme"
will become more prominent as new solutions become more imperative. Yes, we want
a new Reagan. Someone who, by force of their very nature, can bring most of us
together as Americans. Yes he was conservative, but even centrist liberals liked
him because they saw his love for the country and his acceptance of them even as
he rejected their approaches. Too bad we don't have one like him right now.
At some point we will be forced to stop "compromising" and just pay for
our debt.That can either happen with (both) political parties facing
reality, or wait until our debt is foreclosed on by our creditors!Yes, it will be painful, but the alternative is financial chaos!
Truth's from a Eisenhower Republican, "ME".Seeing we got
rain in forecast that moves Daytona 500 to 7 p.m. start, I'll address this right
now. In todays world all bureaucrats and politicians treat us "common
folk" like monkey's in a zoo. Why does politicians treat us like monkeys in
a zoo?. Oh, they'll show up at your work place for a photo opp, then run out of
the building as fast as they can, in fear you'll toss some poo at them, as a
monkey would do, because you know what they really are. That's because
politicians are elite, these politicians are rich Ideas for the untra-elite
only, they are out of control and the politicians that run us are out of touch
with reality also. They never ate a TV dinner, their strippers don't have
strech-marks, their stupid rules take up valuable time and energy from business
owners who have to understand and implement their requirements, time and energy
that could be better spent serving their customers, expanding their businesses
and maybe actually hiring more workers, reducing the high unemployment rate in
this country. Who is responsible for these out of control government
regulations?. It is the out of touch GOP politicians who concoct these stupid
rules and laws with no sensitivity or experience on how the waste ripples
through the economic system, hurting everyone in the process. Madness for the
Koch Brother's. The United States government has maintained a ridiculous trade
embargo with the island nation of Cuba for about 50 years in an attempt to force
Fidel Castro from power. However, 50 years later, Castro is still in power, many
of the Presidents who continued the embargo are themselves dead, the United
States deprives itself of a good sized economic market right off its shores, and
the Cuban people have lived in poverty for 50 years, especially since the fall
of the Iron Curtain when the support from Russia dropped dramatically. Typical
U.S. government program never ending, never accomplishing its goals, and the
people of both countries worse off for the experience. Why do you keep electing
them then?. Sorry Robert Bennett, For the Deseret News, that's why
"YOU" were excommunicated by GOP and the Tea Party. "Americans are
anchored in the center with their hands tied until re-election time comes
Red State, the only way Obama looks like he's on the far left of the democratic
party is is you are so far right that the horizon is somehwere in the middle.
Why do you keep electing them then?. Same with Robert Bennett, For the Deseret
News, that's why "YOU" were excommunicated by GOP and the Tea Party.
"Americans are anchored in the zoo with the center of their hands tied until
re-election time comes around." Then you rattle their cage's and toss them
some monkey earmarks for peanuts for votes. And he's a researcher and lecturer
at the University of Utah's Hinckley Institute of Politics ?. "HA!."
Senator Hatch is the ranking member of the Senate Committee on Finance for
almost 40 years, where he has been a leading advocate for policies to encourage
savings and investment for the rich only, such as the Capital Formation Act, and
many other pro-growth tax bills for the Koch Brother's. Why nothing gets done
in Washington DC while they get paid for it. My staff and Sen. Mike Lee want my
Washington D.C. office to be a place where visitors from Utah feel at home.
Every Wednesday at 3:30 p.m., we host "Jell-O with the Senator." All
are invited to come meet me and enjoy a serving of Utah's official state snack.
How about Congress starts repealing the commodities modernization act ?. For
better or worse the Magic 8 Ball has made more decisions for more people than
the president and congress combined. Let's also ban a crooked culture hidden
under the heavy dirty dust of politics corruption and crony capitalism the Koch
Brother's and their Ethanol 15 and the 54 ethanol manufacturers, plus K Street
and Wall Street Corporate sneakiness and their outright-scams and con-games,
more corruption and crony capitalism in Congress along with insider trading,
crooked offshore tax safe havens in secret bank accounts that they invested in
up-market homes and hotels, tons of loopholes that allow qualifying
Institutions to still serve as conduits for Tax Evasion, Freddie Mac and Fannie
Mae that caused the mortgage meltdown and toss the crooks in prison, this
commodities modernization act helped create the ENRON debacle and is still
having repercussions on the US and World economies with ill conceived market
trades. Ex-Sen. Phil Gramm is credited with the ENRON language of the bill, but
what about the other proposals that negated 'bucket shop' laws in the states?
Who stood to gain then, as now? And did these self same greedy capitalists
(lobbyists and lawmakers) conspire to 'help' Congress again with the $700
billion bailout of financial institutions in 2008? I think whoever drafted this
proposal should be sent to prison and stripped of any and all wealth they
amassed. This statute is now being high-lighted as one of the main causes of
the financial crisis we are sliding into. Another Wall Street oil price
swing?. IT'S TIME we all put the breaks on it. With our Congressman and Senator
and tell them to do this. Gas prices most places are pushing $4 a gallon again.
And news reports say it could be $5 or more by summertime. That's outrageous and
unjustified. We've also got to stop a new brand of oil trader who has emerged in
the last decade, a middle man of sorts, who's also driving up the price we pay
at the pump. Many experts agree we should not allow these traders to bid up the
price of oil and flip futures contracts like condos. Yet in the last ten years
the share of the oil market controlled by investors and speculators has more
than doubled. By bidding up oil futures, speculators also increase costs for our
airlines, industrial energy users and other businesses. And these higher costs
are passed on to consumers like you and me. The GOP Congress deregulated oil
traders in December 2000. And it hasn't tackled a comprehensive alternative
energy policy since Nixon and Carter first talked about one in the 1970s. I
think Congress should pass legislation that aims to drastically limit the
ability of speculators to artificially drive up energy prices.
@pragamatist for life - is that why your man went to the Summit of the Americas
and gave Hugo Chavez a fistbump and called him "mi amigo"? Is that why
his "affordable healthcare act" authorized the hiring of 16,000 new IRS
agents but didn't hire one doctor or nurse? You might want to wake up and
smell the coffee before it's too late
Former senator, your editorial hangs on the premise that the voters are always
right...that "might (or majority) makes right". History proves that the
philosophies of the center never inspire. One very prominent man even suggested
the "lukewarm" middle was good only to be spewed out, prefering instead
to judge between the hot and cold ideologies of those with principles to govern
their actions. For better or worse I will always and only vote on principle and
continually fight within the established system to upend the boring and
ultimately erosive effects of centrist political philosophy.
I dont care who runs.....PeeWee Herman could beat Obama! Even Jessie Jackson
refers to Obama with pride as the "Food Stamp President"! Only a fool
would vote for Obama whose answer to high gas prices is...."pump up your
tires". the most embarassing moment Obama has brought to the USA is when he
apologises to Karzai after Muslims killed our own American Soldiers!
Disgraceful! This guy is out of control and hasn't a clue how to lead!
Here is reality - sorry Bob. America is NO LONGER a center right country. If it
were then far left wacko's like Obama , Pelosi, Maxine Waters , etc... would
NEVER get elected. The fact that these people continue to get elected makes
clear the sad fact that more than 50% of America is left of center and a large
portion of those are socialist, welfare state want-to-bee's just like the
bankrupt country of Greece. There is a slushy 10% that may still vote for the
GOP depending how bad the economy is. America is no longer the great country it
used to be back in the 1940's and 1950's. The Hippie movement of 60's started
the change toward socialist Europe and every passing decade we become more like
our friends across the Atlantic. The end result will be a totally BANKRUPT
American - burning cars in the street as we demand our entitlements ... which
idiots like Obama promised to get elected but now can't deliver... like Greece.
Those who don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it!! Who said that
anyway?? In our case - those who don't see what is happening to Greece and other
socialist republics in Europe and LEARN from them are bound to BECOME THEM!!!
Democrats are in serious trouble:Jessie Jackson calls Obama, Food
Stamp President...High gas prices?.....Obama says, No need to drill, Just
pump up your tires....Democrat Rep explains Obamacare includes free
contraception, but no free bandaids or cancer screenings, as they are not as
important..American Soldiers dead, Obama apologizes....America
may be in the middle Bob but its starting to look as though Utah is just one of
the other 50 red state
Ha, American politics is so skewed to the right compared to the rest of the
world that Obama would be classed as right of centre anywhere else. Everyone
describing Obama as a "liberal lefty" obviously have no clue about
politics outside the country.
Utah may have been one of the only red states in 2008.....but if this is a shift
to the middle that Bob speaks of....the Democrat Liberals are in deep
trouble!Obama answer to $5 Gas? Dont drill,just pump up your
tires.Jessie Jackson calls Obama the "Food Stamp President"!American soldiers die in Afghanistan? ...Obama apologizes for the behavior of
our soldiers!Demo rep says Obamacare provides free contraception, but not
free bandaids or Cancer screenings because they are not important healthcare
items like contraception.Media Matters President caught in Blackmail
scandal....Breitbart reports, In 2008, then-candidate Barack Obama
admitted that, like his future Energy Secretary Mr. Chu, he believed that high
gas prices would be a good thing because they would force Americans to ween
themselves off of oil? Really...is this the leadership we want....someone who
is trying to raise the cost of gas artificially so that alternatives like
solyndra and others can get free govt money and go bankrupt!NOBAMA
2012...or any other Democrat for that matter!
Red State, "is that why your man went to the Summit of the Americas and gave
Hugo Chavez a fistbump and called him "mi amigo"? Is that why his
"affordable healthcare act" authorized the hiring of 16,000 new IRS
agents but didn't hire one doctor or nurse?" A fist pump???are you kidding?
That puts him on the far left..seriously? If Obama were on the far left the
affordable health care act would have been a single payer system, the bailouts
and tarp would never have happened and instead the bakns would have been
nationalized. There would have been no surge in Afhgannistan just immediate
withdrawal. I could go on and on but this is just silly. Obama is firmly
encamped in the left of center.
I don't know that Americans are anchored in the center in their positions as
much as they are in their temperament. Most Americans understand that you can't
get anything done if you're intransigent or angry. My way or the highway on the
either side of the spectrum is unproductive. We would never have a Constitution
if the Founders had been unable to compromise. I like an analogy I
heard from Michael Reagan - you don't have to throw a hail Mary all the time.
It's ok to gain a few yards at a time. Ronald Reagan understood this and was
able to work with his political opponents.
@pragmatistferlifeI recall when John Kerry was running for
President, he was rated as the third most liberal Senator at the time. The
number one liberal at the time was Barack Obama. He is extremely far to the
left as far as American politics are concerned. It might not be the case on an
international level, but for an American politician, Obama is way to the left.
If we are talking about being in the center, I'd say Mitt Romney
fits pretty well. He's not too far to the right, but he is conservative. He
seems to have a pretty level-headed personality and that's what we need right
now. No more 'fundamentally changing America.' America does NOT need to be
I will never vote for another republican in my life especially a state
republican. Their motto is "If we are not making money on it then why
Re:A1994Umm....Barack Obama wasn't sworn in as Senator until January
2005. Kerry ran for president against Bush in 2004.Apparently your
assertions are wrong.Obama has governed as a moderate. Healthcare reform
was based on Republican ideas and framework. The Stimulus was 1/3 tax cuts in
keeping with Republicans emphasis on reducing taxes (for the rich only?)Romney can be a moderate as evidenced by his tenure as governor, but
also explains his difficulty in Republican primaries. If the
Republican Party weren't so far right, qnd could tolerate moderation, I could
imagine Romney as President and a Democratic congress could work out well..
Are principles up for a vote? Does Mr. Bennett go to a church that votes on the
ten commandments? I don't and I know that he doesn't either. Are
we to forget principles when 50,000,000 unborn children were aborted in America
since 1976? Are we to forget principles when 50% of the population depends on
the government for their personal welfare?Right, Left, or Middle,
principles are not for sale to the slick-talking politicians who tell us that
they have the answer. WE, THE PEOPLE, have the answer. It starts with
self-reliance and it ends with hard work, not from government "promises"
of a chicken in every pot.
And look what being anchored in the center has brought us:A $15
trillion debtAn entitlement addicted electorateAn
electorate who voted in a socialist presidentYep, I agree Bob,
America is anchored in the political center. It is time for a
radical change to cutting and slowing entitlements and returning to a less
intrusive federal government with more power back in the hands of the states and
the people. And, to get rid of politicians like you Bob and Orrin
and Lindsay Graham, not to mention Harry, Nancy and others who think the federal
government knows how to dictate the lives of the American people from the womb
to the tomb.Yes, a change is coming where liberty and freedom and
power to the people is back in style.
Words of wisdom. Wake up, GOP.
I believe that Mr Bennett is largely correct.The mainstream media
defines the "center".For the last several years, their
center has been on a pendulum swinging far, far to the left of any prior
center.Social issues that were totally unacceptable just a few years
ago as being way too far to the left are now largely considered to be in the
center.Economic policies that were considered just a few years ago
to be far, far to the left, are now considered to be in the center.America used to largely love its Constitution. The far left considers the
Constitution to be outdated and useless. And most Americans seem to agree.Most politicians totally ignore it -- and that is the centrist
position.Economically, we are headed into the same boat as Greece.
We will be bankrupt soon.Socially, we are headed the same as
socialistic Europe.Those who spend effort trying to re-anchor
America to the Constitution are ridiculed as being far right wing fanatics.Mr Bennett is correct. America no longer loves the America that our
Founders bequeathed to us. They vote in representatives and executives who spend
all their effort destroying the Republic. And the "centrist" position is
to make sure that no one will succeed who tries to swing the pendulum back.As Benjamin Franklin said in response to an inquirer after the
Constitutional Convention of 1887, "You have a Republic, if you can keep
it." The centrist position is to jettison the Republic. We are losing it.
There is a reason that Utah is named one of the best managed states in the
Union. It votes for economic and social policies that are closer to the policies
of the Founding Fathers. Utah is anything but in the political center. If Utah
were in the center, it would be as mismanaged as the other states.
A1994, we're talking about two very different things. Red State said Obama was
on the far left of the democratic party..you are talking about a left
congressinal voting record. One is strictly beliefs and wishes compared to
citizens of like interests. The other is based on opportunity compared to
mostly senators of opposite views. Red State also made his comparison based on
Obamas presidential actions..actions that are clearly center left. Remember
even the health care act with a mandate came from the heritage foundation
originally so it's clearly not a far left idea. I would agree that
Rommney is center right..thus the problems he's having getting the nomination.
Sen Bennett you are anchored in the center and that is why you are no longer in
per Sandy 11:07 p.m. Feb. 27, 2012Moderation in *ALL* things?
re: Roland Kayser 12:40 a.m. Feb. 27, 2012"I'm an Eisenhower
Republican. Another way of phrasing that is to say I'm a Democrat."I am a Goldwater/Paul Republican i.e. a Libertarian.
What Mr. Bennett so unscrupulously fails to reveal is that Reagan ran in 1976,
not as the moderate choice, but as the right wing ideologue against the moderate
Gerald Ford. Reagan than again ran as the "fringe" candidate compared
to the moderate George Bush in 80. Reagan was ridiculed by the establishment
that he couldn't be elected nor effective because he was too radical. So much
for your theories Mr. Bennett.
"patriot" has been watching way too much fox news. He or she throws
around terms words like "socialism" without having any real idea of what
they actually mean. Lamenting the future and longing for the "good
times" of the past are the tired words of those devoid of any new ideas and
optimism for the future.
"Truth" doesn't know what the facts really are. Let's debunk all the
lies and half truths in order, shall we?1) Proper tire pressure does
increase fuel efficiency. Imagine the combined savings of fuel and money if all
Americans' tires were inflated properly? Domestic oil production is higher than
it has ever been in history.2) Jesse (note proper spelling)Jackson was
responding to what the moronic Newt Gingrich had called the President. It was
not coined by Rev. Jackson but rather Newt.3) Pres. Obama apologized to
the president of Afghanistan, our ally who did not have a hand in killing our
soldiers, for a mistake in policy that resulted in the burning of books
considered holy in Afghanistan. What's wrong with accepting responsibility for
a mistake and apologizing?4)The quote is not from a democratic
representative but rather a student from Georgetown University, testifying
before a committee made up of republicans and democrats regarding the health
care bill.5)Media Matters CEO was caught up in a very ugly domestic
dispute that had nothing to do with content on the website (he was the victim of
the blackmail). A messy split of a relationship is not partisan, its personal
and private.6)What is wrong with the President wanting to wean the
American public off an unsustainable source of energy? The price of gasoline
artificially high? Laughable. The true cost of a gallon of gas is
astronomical. Prices are artificially low and have been for decades. "Truth" and those of you who choose to get your "news" from
the sources that reinforce your already held beliefs need to branch out. Get
the facts. Form your own opinion rather than have some blowhard form it for
you. I dare you. Breitbart reports, In 2008, then-candidate Barack
Obama admitted that, like his future Energy Secretary Mr. Chu, he believed that
high gas prices would be a good thing because they would force Americans to ween
themselves off of oil? Really...is this the leadership we want....someone who is
trying to raise the cost of gas artificially so that alternatives like solyndra
and others can get free govt money and go bankrupt!
The extra paragraph at the end of my latest comment was unintentionally included
as it was from the commenter I was responding to.
@really?1. Pumping up your tires is not going to drop the price of a
gallon of gas.....not $1.002. Jessie Jackson did call Barry "the food
stamp president" as he is proud that Obama has surpassed GWB by adding
another 12 million more to the welfare rolls!3. AmericaÂs bravest and
best did give their lives/die....AND Obama did apologize.4. The quote is
from the Democratic Rep from NY, Kathy Hochul....you can find it on video on
YouTube (you know that famous rightwing GOP Website)....GEORGETOWN is not in NY,
but you were close it is on the east coast!5. Media Matters CEO paid his
ex-gay lover hush money to keep him quite about the lack of credibility assoc
with those at media matters and the propaganda they pump out like targeting
FOXNEWS while everyone else gets a pass!.
Tops-down management and the correlation of ideas and thinking is pretty much
dead. PR spin and management in today's world of social media is history. Grass
roots energy and orginization is the new reality, thanks to the Internet and
smart mobile devices that allow people around the world to access information
instantaneously and remain connected with everyone, every minute of the day and
night.What we're seeing in today's political climate is the
reflection of the political parties need to cater to their respective bases.
Cultivating divisivness has been the only way the two party system has been able
to survive past their natural expiration date.The upshot? The
so-called "center" of the American society is pretty much dead. The
middle class has been hollowed out and we are today a nation of haves and have
nots. As long as the current two party system is allowed to remain on life
support, this condition will likely continue. This portends
signficant meaning not only to the two established political parties, but to
large monolithic non-profit organizations like the Catholic Church and the
Mormon Church as the power continues to shift to members and away from the
established leadership structure.
@pragmatist- you don't have to have some sort of "nationalization
ceremony" to achieve the same objectives. When the Federal Government can
force every American to purchase health insurance (under the penalty of a fine)
and dictate to insurers what coverages they must provide then you have de facto
nationalization of healthcare. Enough with the Heritage Foundation. As a
Conservative am I bound by law to agree with every policy prescription they come
out with? I didn't vote for anyone at the Heritage Foundation. Why would
Obama want to nationalize banks when his administration can shake them down for
25 billion for a failure that US Government policy caused? The banks were
"nationalized" for a time by the Federal Reserve but there's no reason
to get into that. They're effectively "nationalized" by the Dodd Frank
legislation and CFPB. If you're cool with central planning for a country
of 300 million that's your business- good luck with it. But is it too much to
ask that the President of an allegedly free nation not give a fist bump and call
a tyrant "my friend"?
If Americans are anchored in the Center, then what happened to the political
system that allowed tea party extremists to co opt the caucus system and boot
Independents...the wishy washy ruin of America. They voted for Obama in 2008,
being fully warned of what he intended to do, but then run from him in 2010 and
2012 after he does it. Joe the plumber called him out before he was elected.
The independents didn't want to believe he was a socialist and got him elected.
Now that he has done exactly what the conservatives warned of, the Independents
run away. And after they help elect a more conservative Romney in 2012, in 4
years when he has done what he says he will do, they'll run from him for the
more "beautiful" candidate in 2016. They're the types who vote for
who's popular at the moment. They can't make up their mind so they run around
trying to find their true identity. You can't vote for people on both ends of
the spectrum and legitimately claim to stand for anything.
Americans anchored in the center?This is because most populations
display attitudes and practices in a manner that can be graphed using a bell
curve. ... AND ... the center is by definition whereever the top of the bell
Obama defends the practice of infanticide. Yep, that's a centrist position,
isn't it?Also, I'm still waiting for a list from Bennett or any
other person that defines what positions are extreme left, left, centrist,
right, extreme right and why those positions are categorized as such.Anyone???
@truthYou essentially refuted nothing that I wrote correcting your lies
and half-truths. You claim to hate socialism (according to your ever-changing
definition)and love capitalism. I guess you would be happy to pay the true cost
of gasoline? Factor in the military money spent protecting our increasingly
volatile supplies and you would run to alternative energy sources. Where
did I say Georgetown is in NY? I was accepted there, I know where it is. Do
you? Doubtful that a college education is in your background.I am asking,
nay, begging, that you and those out there like you learn the facts and then
form your opinions on your own. It really is quite liberating. Don't worry,
liberating means becoming more free, not more liberal politically as you may
@really stated, "I am asking, nay, begging, that you and those out there
like you learn the facts and then form your opinions on your own."This is the typical liberal slam. Why? Only liberals ever think for
themselves, form their own opinions and aren't told how to think. Only liberals
are intellectuals and students of learning. Only liberals know what to do in
every situation and can tell the world what to do.Your post is
typical arrogant liberal hogwash! You don't even have a clue as to the reference
of NY vs Georgetown. Your NY Democrat said that the Dems don't look to the
Constitution regarding Obamacare. As mentioned before, the video is on the
web!Maybe you went to college, but you apparently wasted money
because you didn't learn anything.But all of this is meaningless to
you because I'm just a lowly Conservative and in your mind that makes me
inferior. Classic elitist attitude on display @really? You've
mimicked your Dear Leader perfectly!