It's a good thing the Cougars have that November 3rd bye to prepare for the
challenging late season march through the dregs of the WAC.
Prepare for another beat down on Sept. 15 little bro!!
What a surprise to see two of our BYU-obsessed little brothers being the first
to post about BYU's newly announced schedule.As always, our little
friends on the hill are already circling September 15th as the most important
date on their football calendar.Try worrying a little less about BYU
and a little more about the PAC 12, and you might have a chance of finishing
above .500 in the conference sometime.
Well, here we go for another year of independence. While I do think the schedule
is improving, a closer look at the last 4 weeks of the season and one can see
that scheduling these teams makes absolutely no sense. From Nov. 3 on, the
season is irrelevant to the college football fan who is expecting key matchups
and a race to the conference title. BYU will be forgotten by this time. While I
see some true promise in many of the early games scheduled, we are back to the
same thing as last year. If you don't beat Utah, Boise State, Oregon State,
Notre Dame and Georgia Tech, your season is over or meaningless at that point.
But, as the AD has put it, we can look forward to 2013. If I am a recruit
looking at BYU, do I always want to be looking 2 years down the road? Is someone
actually looking at what is going on or is this just a roll of the dice?
at Utahat Boise Stateat Notre Dameat Georgia Techis going to be a very difficult road schedule, but a schedule that will quiet
the critics if BYU does well.
The DeuceIf you knew anything about scheduling, you'd understand the
difficulty of an independent trying to schedule big name opponents in November
when most teams are heavily involved in conference play. Non-conference
schedules are drawn up years in advance, so it's going to take awhile for BYU to
work some bigger names into their November schedules.Have a little
patience. Every BYU fan who's paid even the slightest amount of attention has
known from the day BYU announced its independence that the first couple of
seasons were going to be less than stellar, especially late in the season.
Having 6 current or soon-to-be AQ teams on their 2012 schedule (Utah, Oregon
State, Washington State, Georgia Tech, Boise State, and Notre Dame) is more AQ
teams in one season than BYU ever played in the MWC or WAC. Two or three of
those teams could even be Top 25 teams.
This is an intriguing schedule except for the last three weeks of weak teams.
Most top 25 teams have at least three weak teams on the schedule, albeit earlier
in the season. The Poinsettia Bowl is a nice bowl if BYU doesn't bust the BCS.
Overall I like this schedule.
Juxtaposing BYU's 2012 schedule with the likely schedules BYU could be facing in
the merged MWC/C-USA conference makes this schedule positively exciting by
Far from ideal, but it is an improvement from last year and includes some games
that even the most jaded independence critic should be able to get excited
well... another massacre for utah..gonna be boring watching that game AGAIN
Overall, I like the schedule; I just wish it were better balanced throughout the
Congrats Cougies! You have a new rival you get to share that special week in
November with called "rivalry week"! New Mexico State Aggies!!! Now
there's a winner! LOL
To: SportsFan, Orem, UT - You made my point exactly. By going independent, BYU
has set their program back years. Yes, you are correct to say that it will take
a number of years before the schedule has strength from the beginning to the end
of the season. Other than the money, and yes, I am sure that is the #1 reason
for this, BYU going independent does not make a lot of sense. Many of the other
teams in the BYU athletic department are scattered throughout a number of
conferences/associations. This is not very forward thinking about the program as
a whole. But if the money was the #1 need, then they accomplished the task. I
simply want to hear the Cougar AD stand up and say this for all rather than
cover this with a story of exposure.
That's one soft schedule. September 1 Washington State (first year
under Leach = easy home win)September 8 Weber State (patsy win).September 15 @ Utah (we will see here with Utah's QB situation and Brian
Johnson).September 22 @ Boise State (Kellen Moore graduated and I
think BYU wins.September 29 Hawai'i (sorry Norm Chow but the
Rainbows won't be prepared).October 5 Utah State (could be BYU's
toughest home test but BYU wins).October 13 Oregon State (Cougars
win at home against the Beavers weak road woes).October 20 @ Notre
Dame (this game is a toss up, I will take Notre Dame).October 27 @
Georgia Tech (Loss here: GT is no Air Force as they are an athletic attack).November 3 ByeNovember 10 Idaho (easy win)November 17 @ San Jose State (easy win)November 24 @ New Mexico
State (easy win)End prediction: Cougars finish 9-3. They lose to
Notre Dame and Georgia Tech back to back weeks. The other loss comes to either
Utah, Utah State, Boise State, or Oregon State. The Cougars go 3-1 there but
will lose one along the way. It will be a 10 win season if the match up is
favorable in the Poinsettia Bowl. Many a Cougar will pump their chest over a 10
win season. Please remember though, there are four gimme wins (Weber State, San
Jose State, Idaho, and Idaho State).
The 2012 BYU - Utah game is the last one contracted to be played. Holmoe says he
will do anything to keep the game going in future years. Playing Utah is the
same as playing Washington State or Oregon State. Utah is just another PAC 12
conference team. Any team from any other AQ conference can fill BYU's schedule.
Many teams like Notre Dame and Boise State add luster to the schedule much more
than Utah does. Personally, I hope the Cougars do not play Utah for several
years. Looking forward to Football next year. Go
Perspective. Is this, for a fan, a better schedule than if they'd stayed in the
MWC? This schedule is better. While playing New Mexico State, San Jose, and
Idaho at the end isn't good, playing UNLV, New Mexico and CSU wasn't any better.
Playing Utah at the end was great, but, they left the MWC so that end game
wasn't going to happen either way. BYU is better off with TV
coverage since leaving the MWC. This year's schedule is far better than last
years.No doubt next year's schedule is far better and in either case
a recruit can clearly see that his national exposure is far greater now than
under the MWC and somewhat better than if he played for Utah.A 10-3
record or better will be an outstanding season but not likely.A 9-4 record
is more likely and will still be good provided BYU wins its minor bowl game.Anything less will be bad news. Not likely to happen either.
Deuce: Trying to spin the money. Although the money is very, very good compared
to other years and other teams' situation, that is far from what the Indy move
was about. Living in SC I didn't get to see the Cougs play but maybe once or
twice a season. I, for one, was able to watch every game last year. The
contract with the MTN network was too constricting. Sure we replaced New Mexico
with NM State, and UNLV with Idaho, but I don't see where the program has been
set back years as you say. Not playing for a conference championship...well
only one team per conference wins that anyway. Sure it would be nice, but I'm
happy with the situation right now. If a decent proposal comes along from an AQ
conference I'm sure the powers that be at the Y will make the right decision.
Until then I'll enjoy watching the Y each and every game. Go Cougs!
It's so wonderful that BYU football just continues to give and give, much like
the 'faithful' Ute fans that follow so closely.I too am excited for
the schedule. It's an improvement over last year and I'm sure it will prove to
be another great year for the Cougars.Like a little boy going to his
first 'monster truck' show, I can't wait for football again. It's going to be a
great season, win or lose. For the Utesies, it's going to be another
nail biter... a new OC, with zero experience, a new QB or will they stay with
Hays or will the fragile Wynn come out of rehab for the third time? The anticipation is killing me and of course that new Ute rivalry of Colorodo
will probably be the highlite of the season. 2010... 7-47, 3-28,
3-262011... 4-5 in conference, 17-14 ouch2012... ???Wow,
can the Utes jump off the cliff for a threepete?I'm betting they
can.Go Buffs! Go Cougars!
Oh yeah, one more thing...Georgia Tech is not too far down the road for me. Can
actually go to that game. Probably wouldn't have happened in the old league.
lol.That is all.
Already this is much better than what BYU had in the MWC. Deuce, you really have
no clue about BYU and football scheduling, do you? Watch and learn. Watch and
learn then think before you write.
Kinda funny how Utah fans latch onto the "opportunity" to play for a
conference championship each year as something critically important. Given that
the Utes only have three outright conference championships and three shared in
the last 50 YEARS, it appears that the Utes might as well be independent too.
17-14 Hurts (aka sammyg),2010: 17-162011: 54-102012:
Playing the utes is a waste of time. Playing Colorado would be better
Another unbearable schedule for the boys in Blue. LOL
@AK CougarHow can you possibly say you hope that BYU doesn't play Utah
anymore? You're crazy, man. If you lived in Utah you would understand that this
is the biggest game of the year around these parts. A season with The Holy War
just would feel incomplete. That would be a sad day...hopefully it will never
come. I wish everyone would have just stayed in the MWC. The MWC would
have gotten the Big East's BCS bid next year anyway with Utah, BYU, TCU, and
Boise State. Conference Realignment sucks. It's all Utah's fault!!! They
abandoned ship first! Dang...what has become of the college football I
@AK CougarHow can you possibly say you hope that BYU doesn't play Utah
anymore? You're crazy, man. If you lived in Utah you would understand that this
is the biggest game of the year around these parts. A season without The Holy
War just would feel incomplete. That would be a sad day...hopefully it will
never come. I wish everyone would have just stayed in the MWC. The MWC
would have gotten the Big East's BCS bid next year anyway with Utah, BYU, TCU,
and Boise State. Conference Realignment sucks. It's all Utah's fault!!! They
abandoned ship first! Dang...what has become of the college football I
gdog3finally | 12:09 a.m. Feb. 14, 2012 West Jordan, Utah214
words. Again a troll on a BYU article gets to go over the 200 word limit.... Why is that again?!
54-10 Where did your team end up in the polls this past season? I
looked and I looked but I couldn't find them anywhere....
Wow.ute fans still can't help themselves.You'd think
that with such a successful season, ute fans would just move on and be happy
that they were PAC 12 champions...oh wait... Sorry. Forgot that
didn't happen.Well you always have this next year, with your amazing
QB...Oh wait... sorry, forgot he was made of glass.Oh
well, at least you had a great season and finished in the top 25...Oh sorry, that was a different Utah School.Oh Well, there is
always basketball...Sorry... I'm just making this worse, aren't
I.Oh well at least you beat BYU. (Although you think they are
irrelevant) There, now don't you feel better?
@In Stitches"214 words. Again a troll on a BYU article gets to
go over the 200 word limit.... Why is that again?!"So,
does that mean that the Band of Lil Brothers Owns the DN? Nobody else can
read the articles or comment?Sooooo, byu!That is why I
hope the Utes never play byu again! Its your sanctimonious attitude that cause
everyone to dislike the y.Good Luck with your Pop Warner schedule.
Fire Holmoe and improve your program.2013 Band of Lil Brothers GONE!
Donât assume it will be an every year occurrence in the future for BYU to
be playing Utah, Kyle and his team have better things to do in September, such
as playing a true home and home against a Big Ten opponentâ¦a real
research and higher/advanced degree awarding school rather than the oversized
Mormon social school down in Happy Valley. Why the LDS Church continues to
allow them to field football in athletics is beyond me particularly since past
church president Joseph F. Smith ordered it ceased back in
1902â¦perhaps something the powers that be at 47 East South Temple
should revisit?If the LDS Church really did the right thing with BYU
they would pair Provo down to under 20,000 students, and take over the Southern
Virginia campus back in Buena Vista, VA allowing a similar Rexburg sized student
body there. This way the church schools can be focused on what they should be;
undergraduate education. Advanced degrees (MS/MA and beyond) should be the
domain of more secularly oriented universities. Utah State should have the
football program, Law & Business schools, not BYU.
Deuce you show your severe lack of knowledge in scheduling by your comments.
There are some leagues which enforce the rule that once you start
conference play there are no non conference games on your schedule. It will
take a few years to develop the schedule. Also your ignorance shows via your
commenting on weaker teams on the Y's schedule. You apparently do not follow
the SEC and other conferences who try to do the same thing. If you
are going to comment, at least comment based on actual knowledge, not out of
hate for BYU.
Excellent work Bro. Holmoe!An undefeated season is easily within reach.With the November schedule, it's like having 2 months off before the National
54-10 No, his point was obviously that the rules for comments should
be equally applied. Did you fail to comprehend that...?
UtahBy44 | 11:03 a.m. Feb. 14, 2012 Beaver, UTOr ... In
Stitches was silly enough to suggest that the rules for comments, namely,
"Any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative,
more than 200 words, containing URLs or excessive capital letters will not be
posted" be equally applied.This is why it is so important to
teach reading comprehension in schools.
Sportsfan, Since when did Utah schedule that Mormon social school in Happy
Valley? UVU doesn't even have a football team but you can bet their basketball
team would embarrass your utes.
#1 SLC Sports Fan Good point. Completely eliminating any potential
competition from BYU might allow you to do better than them. Have fun
fantasizing about that!
@ Katiebugg | 12:25 p.m. Feb. 14, 2012 Salt Lake City, UT I
think Katiebugg meant this comment for UtahBy44." No, his point
was obviously that the rules for comments should be equally applied. Did you
fail to comprehend that...? "I could care less how many words
are in anyone's post. I do find it interesting how Katiebugg can't seem to read
but wants to post comprehension smack.
hahahah all you byu fans can NOT read. how bout you get with the times and
UPDATE your dn site which gives you MORE than 200 words. anyone with half a
brain coulda figured that one out... but then again you are y fans so i expect
nothing less from you
sportsfanforlifeIt is funny that you point out that BYU fans can't
read, when you can't spell or punctuate.Typical ute troll, hypocrisy
at its finest. On another note...I vote to end the BYU/
Utah series.It does not matter to me if BYU ever plays Utah again.
A few casualties of conference expansion:Utah vs. BYUTexas vs.
Texas A&MOklahoma vs. NebraskaPitt vs. West VirginiaMissouri vs. KansasColorado vs. NebraskaUtah/BYU vs. Air ForceTexas A&M vs. Texas TechR.I.P.
I love the schedule for 2012 and feel that it gives us a great opportunity to be
in a BCS game and even undefeated.
@ Mildred in Fillmore"I love the schedule for 2012 and feel
that it gives us a great opportunity to be in a BCS game and even
undefeated".If BYU couldn't go undefeated in the Mountain West,
they have no chance of going undefeated with that Indy-WAC schedule. One loss
and the Cougies are heading to the Poinsettia Bowl. Games: @ Utah, @ Notre Dame,
@ Georgia Tech, @ Boise State. BYU is bound to lose once, maybe twice, or
possibly all four of their big road games this year, but they won't win all four
With games @Utah, @Boise, @ND, and @GT BYU will most likely continue its trend
of getting spanked 2 times each year since 2008. 8-4 sounds about right, but
7-5 is possibility.
I thought Last Season's home schedule was bad, look at this one:Washington StateWeber StateHawai'iUtah StateOregon
StateIdahoUSU is the only team on this list that went Bowling
mt oly"I thought Last Season's home schedule was bad, look at
this one:"Washington StateWeber StateHawai'iUtah StateOregon StateIdahoI like it; two PAC 12
teams, two instate rivals, and always interesting Hawai'i. The only yawner is
Sept 15th it is.And I don't blame all of these BYU fans for wanting
the Utah/BYU series to end. 44 point beat downs will deflate a fan base pretty
quickly, especially when they only have 3 wins (all last second/minute
victories)in the past decade against that team. Starfarer may have a superiority
complex when it comes to the U, but I'm guessing the Cougar players don't.=====BUT I'm curious why so many Y fans are claiming GATech as
this awesome juggernaut, yet when Utah beat them two months ago all they could
say was how "Tulsa is better." Either 1) the schedulers
must have forgot to schedule the Golden Hurricane instead of the Yellow Jackets,
OR 2) Y fans have the inside scoop on how much improvement the GATech's 2012
recuiting class will have on the Yellow Jackets OR 3) Teams are simply better
when they play BYU, because all teams have it in for the Cougars.Been trying to figure out the BYU fan anticipation enigma for several decades
now. On Sept 16th, I may get a better idea.
ThomasJefferson says "Cougs 10-2.. better than Utes 7-5".I
suppose it doesn't matter to you that the teams compete against different levels
of competition. The Utes play 9 BCS teams, while the Cougars are up to 5 this
year.Since "level of competition" is out the window, are
you saying Lone Peak High School was better than both teams last year?
So... finishing 8-4 or maybe 9-3 and knowing which bowl you are going to before
spring ball even starts is what independence is all about? Exciting.
mipAccording to Ute logic ANY team that plays in an AQ BCS
conference is a quality opponent. Right?Is that Ute logic so hard to
understand and apply to the BYU schedule or do we have some pride issues getting
in the way?When everyone was playing in the MWC it was always those
BCS opponent games than meant the most. Does this logic somehow change when your
team is part of an AQ conference and passing judgment on a non-BCS opponent's
schedule?Obviously those that put together these rankings determined
that a 7 fumble fluke win for you guys did not really hurt BYU in overall
rankings. It's a bitter pill I'm sure to see your opponent ranked higher when
you flogged them but it is what it is.I'm sure it was almost as
confusing to understand as 'losing all the marbles' to the worst team in your
conference, a team that had not won a road game in four years. That's one golden
buffalo chip for the trophy case.By the way... Tulsa was better,
rankings dear brother, rankings.I'm still looking to see where Utah
ended up in the rankings, must be below BYU somewhere, very typical when taken
into historical context and I'm still trying to figure how Ute fans say an 8-5
season was great when the real numbers that matter are 4-5 in your conference.
That's where the glory is, isn't it? That's why the Utes are in a conference,
right? To win division and conference championships?The true
conference numbers are < mediocre yet if that makes Utes happy... I'm
happyBYU schedule is getting better, no matter how you spin it.
Funny...was just reading some of these posts and on Jeopardy one of the
questions just happened to be..."Name one of two teams that in 2011 joined
the Pac 10 and made it th Pac 12." With a 50/50 chance the contestant with
no hesitation picked...You guessed it... Colorado. Dontcha just love it!!!
Wow, the cream of the crop from both fan bases is commenting on this article.
I've seen more mature conversation in an elementary school...@gdog3finallyYour predictions aren't bad, but let me offer my
humble opinion as to how the Cougs will fare this season.WSU- Loss,
it'll be close, but Connor Halliday will pick apart the Y's secondary.Weber State- Easy win@ Utah- Closer than it was last year, but Cougs
won't be able to stop John White and a healthy Jordan Wynn at Rice Eccles.
Loss.@ Boise State- Even without Kellen Moore, the Broncos are nearly
impossible to beat at home, regardless of how good your team is. Loss.Hawaii- Win. Norm will put together a good team, but Hawaii won't be good
enough to beat BYU at home.Utah State- A close game, almost too close to
call, but I'll give the Y the home field advantage. Win.Oregon State- Win.
The Beavers are still rebuilding.@Notre Dame- Loss. The Cougs do not have
the kind of talent needed to beat the Irish in South Bend in front of 80,000+@GA Tech- Loss. The Yellow Jackets' rushing attack will do just enough to beat
the Cougs.Idaho- Easy win@SJSU- Easy win@NMSU- Easy winBowl game- Cougs will get matched up against a weak opponent, unfortunately,
and beat them easily.Final record: 8-5Why? I just don't see
any new or developing talent that will immediately help the Cougars be the type
of team that can beat good teams on the road, and I don't see the speed that
they need on defense to stop a quick strike offense like WSU or GA tech. They
need a consistent running back, and won't be able to rely on the 1-2-3 punch of
Kariya, Alisa, and DiLuigi, now that Kariya and DiLuigi are gone. Unless Alisa
really steps it up and Quezada snaps out of his funk, the rushing attack will be
mediocre at best. Riley is a great athlete and a fierce competitor, but he does
not possess the quarterbacking skills to beat a team that can keep everything in
front of it and force him to drop back and pass. The offensive line will be good
as always, but they lost a lot of talent this year and have some holes to fill.
Why should BYU give up a valuable slot on the schedule in September to play Utah
when they could be playing a big money game? The rivalry was good
while it lasted but, "if he dies, let him die."
8-5 is probably not far off though I don't think Washington St. will beat BYU in
Provo (don't even recognize that name you referenced and I watch a lot of
football). Utah also won't have Jake Heaps playing for them...
84 Big money as in Weber State? lolDon't try and down
play the Utah game as not "Big money" when it is top 2 on your whole
schedule next year.Nice try
@utahcountyute thats a y fan for ya. they are so jealous they try and act like
utah never meant anything to them. utah is the lebron james to them. he (utah)
broke their heart (byu) when he annouced going to another team (conference)
@WON84Halliday is WSU's QB