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E-Verify immigration bill dies, then rises again in Utah Legislature

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  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    its fuuny that arepulican is putting this biil up and hie own shoots it down. it is sad. the only reason to not use e-verify is to pay low wages and make profit.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    Chalk another one for the Gadianton Businessmen.

    Sandstrom has it right to penalize the businesses that hire illegals, and refuse to use E-verify.

    Take away the incentives, and the problem will self correct.
    as opposed to
    Rewarding those who knowingly keep breaking the law -- those who come inlliegally, and those who exploit and use them to their greedy advantage.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Some of us who follow the immigration issue closely will be checking which of the legislators voted AGAINST Utah legal citizens today.

    They can EXPECT competition in their re-election attempts!

    There's ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for allowing illegal immigrant trespassers to take Utah jobs.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    We need this bill. Many legislatures need this bill to keep their seats come November. The backlash is coming.

    If we get one immigration bill this year, let this one be it. Stop allowing business to control our lives and immigration.

  • cleancutmatt West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Way to go representatives! We should have representatives who focus on treating the root causes of inequality in the systems in our and Foreign (in this case Mexico) governments and not treating this on a symptoms-solution approach.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    If the Republicans don't help clean up the mess they made last year with immigration, I will be voting straight Democrat this year.

    This is an honest bill that helps solve the problem, now and in the future. It has already been approved by the Supreme court. Why are they so afraid of it? Because it's honest and doesn't favor dishonest business owners?

    Wasn't this a part of Sandstroms bill that was killed? That's why he is filing it late. Only one more vote is needed, is there an honest man in those 37?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    We need patriotic leaders that won't sell out their countries sovereignty for cheap labor.

    It's not America's job to fix other countries problems.

    Give us E-verify and enforcement provisions, or be gone in November.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    It keeps getting worse and worse as a group of our leaders do everything they can to extend the illegal activity, and taxpayer subsidized illegal labor.

    With our servicemen coming home, we need these jobs. We need this law. Where is the Patriotism in this state?

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    It is sad that we still have so many legislators that do not understand the real scope of this problem which is unscrupulous employers that hire illegals at very low wages.

    This practice encourages other illegals to come while it takes the jobs of American citizens. I hope that voters remember who voted against this bill when voting time comes around again.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Feb. 8, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    Yes, it is about time to call to carpet all businesses that hire illegals. There should be a law forcing them to verify citizenship. We the people are tired of seeing jobs going to illegals. We get rid of this "reason" to stay stateside and illegals will stay in their own country because they won't be able to work under the table. In addition, a law should be enacted whereby ID's should be required at the polling booths. Illegal voter fraud is rampant in our elections. Why is it that our country decries such fraud globally but refuses to put into affect safeguards necessary to avoid voter fraud. We are truly hypocrits.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    "Sandstrom argued that lawmakers must revisit E-Verify to bring Utah in line with a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that fining businesses that don't comply is unconstitutional."

    correction: they found it constitutional.

    Several bills were brought before the house and passed before Sandstroms.

    As for Lockhart's comment. Yes this is an issue that needs to be pushed through. To many of your constituents it is very important. This is something that has been approved by the Supreme court. Where the other bills like Rep. Wrights will be a waste of time if the Supreme court rules against states.

    For those that have lost jobs to illegal aliens in construction etc. for those that have their id stolen, for those looking for work, it needs to be pushed through. For these people we are pressed for time. For the dishonest businessmen, I can understand why they want things to remain as they are.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    Watch the votes folks. You can go to the Utah State Legislature's home page to see who votes for or against. This will show us where those we vote in stand. Lets hope it is with the citizens in 2012 and not the businessmen. Last year the capital stood with the businessmen. Fool me once, Fool me twice, Fool me three times, shame on me. I am not giving them a third time. My vote will be cast to vote them out.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 8:34 p.m.

    To me, Gov. Herbert is the BIGGEST player "dropping the ball" in this issue.

    He SHOULD be leading any and all immigration enforcement measures.

    Why isn't he?

    We're spending upwards of 400 million on freebies for illegal immigrant trespassers.
    Thats 400 million that COULD go to meet the needs of actual Utah citizens. Do the legislators NOT notice they would have "extra" funds if they did everything they could to actually enforce immigration laws?
    The added "bonus" would be that LEGAL residents could have jobs!

    Maybe its time to elect a new governor?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    I am very disappointed in the cowardness demonstrated by the Republicans in the legislature after they were told loud and clear by their representatives to repeal HB116 and enact real immigration reform which includes holding law breaking employers feet to the fire. If nothing is done I say we throw the lot of them out and replace them with representatives who are more concerned about the will of those who elected them and less concerned about supporting special interest.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    A bill for more government regulations on small businesses during a recession. My hope is for small business and entrepreneurs to get the economy going again, to be profitable and paying taxes on their increases.

    There has to be other ways to check legalization than pushing more regulations on small business. Utah is #4 in most business friendly for a reason and one big reason I left California. I like this legislature.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 8, 2012 10:30 p.m.

    A poorly written bill that was smacked down by the State. Good job.

    Technically, I don't have any employees. Under this economy it's tough to make ends meet. But, under this bill I have to verify everything I outsource daily on each bid from web design, professional consulting, package delivery, etc. That is a lot of extra time each week and would really hurt my small at home business and my only income.

    Say NO to more government regulations on my business.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 5:53 a.m.

    What does immigration and E-verify have in common? Immigration is immigration, not jobs or employment under the federal labor laws. Immigration laws are not broke and no reform or adjustments to it are needed, there is nothing wrong with our laws unless you are an illegal who faces the wrath of the people of this country. Foreign nationals have no right to question, challenge, or make demands of this country and our laws.

    This state bill falls in the authority of the federal labor laws that prohibits any business in the United States from employing illegal and undocumented individuate and we have every right to punish business and employers who violate the federal labor laws. Every employer in Utah must obey the minimum wage laws as well as other stipulations of the Federal Labor Act that prohibits employers to employ illegal workers.

    The Federal Labor Act also makes it illegal for employers to seek out, import illegal labor, or exports its business to take advantage of slave labor in other countries, including China.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    Obviously these businesses feel they need people that will work at menial jobs, be grateful for it and take pride in that job. Not look at it as a stepping stone to something better. Not that taking a menial job and looking to better yourself beyond that is bad, it isn't its a good thing. But so is taking pride in whatever job you have and doing a good job, a good thing.

    Our economy benefits when we have team players who are willing to give their all, and be diligent at their job. It benefits us all.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 6:42 a.m.

    What is the hb# for this legislation? I need to see how my rep. voted. We need E-verify for every single employee.

  • Ironmomo Ogden, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2012 6:53 a.m.

    Does Sandstrom know how to use a calendar? Doesnât he own a watch? If this was such an important bill, what precluded him from filing it on time? Sandstrom was an architect. I wonder as a business man did he turn in his proposals for projects 5 days late and expect to be treated equally? Did he give the building owners there drawings and specifications 5 days late and expect to be paid? There is no excuse for filing his bill late.

    Second, what good will Sandstromâs bill do? It only applies to businesses who have 15 or more employees. Whatâs to prevent a business owner, with more than 15 employees, from fracturing and restructuring his/her business into multiple businesses with less than 15 employees each and getting separate business licenses without using e-verify?

    Why are agricultural employers, the ones who employ the most illegal aliens in this state, exempt?

    What keeps a business owner from claiming his business is agricultural in nature?

    What stops an employer from laying of illegal aliens during the month he applies for his business license and then rehiring all the illegal aliens he wants the after getting his business license?

    Sounds to me like Sandstrom should table his bill, put a little thought into the multiple loopholes it has and then refile it next yearâ¦..perhaps on time.

  • Albertos Salt lake, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    I'm all for verifying employees but do you want to give this power to one company ( E-Verify ) . This a company run by home land security . I don't know the ins and outs of the bill but something that gives the power to one company is wrong . I should be able to start a company that could verify citizenship .

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    So it would not apply to agricultural industries? What a bunch of hypocrites. Come and pick our fruits and vegetables and we will look the other way and won't say a word about your immigration status. That's okay by us. Mr. Sandstrom should be ashamed of himself.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Feb. 9, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    And I thought Utah's leaders were against illegal immigration and saving jobs for Americans. Clearly the people that donate to politicians don't want to be accountable for illegal cheap labor. Its an admission that illegal immigrants are the only people accepting certain jobs Americans won't do. And, these jobs need to be done by someone.

    Like I say, immigration is not a real issue. Its only brought up to remind people if they're democrat or republican during an election year. After the election, no politician will actually do anything. Now we know why.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    The only way to stop illegal entry (sometimes referred to as immigration) is to stop the employers from hiring illegals. E-verify would do just that. Also, in addition, jail time for employers would catch their attention better than a slap on the wrist small fine.

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    The legislature needs to start putting the needs of Utah citizens first. The free ride greedy businessmen and illegals have enjoyed for years needs to stop! If our legislators don't want to stop illegal immigrants from flooding our state, then we need to elect some new legislators.

  • windchimes saltlake city, utah
    Feb. 9, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Im a true American from California

    Point is everyone needs to be e-verified
    do it the right way keep it legal
    speak&read know your English language.

    (So here we all again- including a long stream of cousins)
    Utah resident

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    "Free ride greedy businessmen"?

    I thought this was a red state that accepted capitalism. More and more unemployed are starting businesses in Utah rather than take government handouts. And you want to add more regulation?

    I am for controlling illegal immigration, the border, and verifying your workers. E-verify sounds good if someone is hiring questionable illegal workers. But, this bill requires all businesses to verify all of their work and goes too far on small business.

    I say no to more government regulations and yes to encourage new business in Utah.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    This country has every right to assure that those working here have permission.

    E-Verify is not a company, it's the government, and they have access to the social security database. I can understand why people are making excuses not to use it. It means they have to be honest with their fellow citizens.

    It takes about 5 minutes. It's not a drain on small business. It's a step towards claiming our states morals back.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    We hope the Sandstrom E-Verify bill will include employers with even a single employee. The current Federal E-Verify law limits the requirement to employers with 15 or over employees. I would guess that most illegals who have jobs here are working for employers with less than 15 employees.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    @Canyontreker:

    "A bill for more government regulations on small businesses during a recession."

    Takes only a few minutes to verify an employee's citizenship... It's not like an employer has thousands of potential employees to 'E-Verify' every day.

    "There has to be other ways to check legalization than pushing more regulations on small business."

    Yes, there are federal requlations that would stem illegal immigration. Unfortunately, the federal government refuses to enforce them with any degree of efficiency. There's too many Hispanic votes at stake for politicians to take any meaningful action. Instead, they try to obfucate enforcement duties and responsibilities re immigration for political expediency.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    regulation is not point of this. utah born construction workers are. go to a job site and look on the amount of people that are from latino back ground compared to the general population. it is wat too high because the greedy small bussiness owner hires people at poverty rates and under bids legal utah companies. people willing to work for 5-6 bucks a hour are wage slaves and as long as we let them they will be in poverty here as they would in mexico or anywhere else. let more people be in our country leagaly on work permits and the wages would most likley be higher because they would have to report the wages earned. they are not all that happy to work for next to nothing if you just ask them. they are human beings. iw worked with people from mexicao that had legal standing and they are great people, and worked hard for the same wage scale as us from utah.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    "The bill, which will NOT apply to agricultural industries."

    All I need to know right there.

    This bill won't accomplish anything... it is merely an attempt to trick voters into thinking the government is listening.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Rep. Bill Wright said "E-Verify is not a good pathway where we want to go," he said. "It's much better for us as a state to just let this issue go."

    Really? Our state is being invaded and overrun by illegals from south of the border, and we should just let the issue go? I guess the areas where HE and the other "representatives" live have not been painted with graffiti and have illegal gang bangers hanging out on every corner, so why should he care. Illegals are taking jobs that should go to our teenagers here LEGALLY, all so greedy contractors can pocket extra change, but we should just let the issue go. REALLY?

    Isn't it about time that the voters stood up and reminded these corrupt politicians who they work for? Hint: The people vote these crooks into office, and we can vote them OUT too. It's time to throw the bums out.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Becky Lockhart and Bill Wright were advocates for HB116. How interesting that the DN reporter chose to quote them and not opponents. KSL,DN,Sutherland Inst,SLC chamber of Commerce used manuevering and pushing their agenda to get the so called Utah Compact and then guest workers thru before the legislature even understood the bill. It was advocacy and manipulation in action.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    wrz "There's too many Hispanic votes at stake for politicians to take any meaningful action."

    Illegals can't vote. Is there some prejudice for legal immigrants and US Latino citizens?

    Iket "let more people be in our country leagaly on work permits and the wages would most likley be higher because they would have to report the wages earned."

    All business have to report wages earned already. E-verify doesn't change the illegal business practices.

    This is just more regulation on 95% of Utah's legal businesses. We're throwing the baby out with the bathwater on this poorly written bill.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    "E-Verify takes 5 minutes."

    Are you kidding? The penalty is losing my business license. I will need a lawyer to verify each hire plus work that is outsourced. Even if I hire all legal citizens but miss something on e-verify, I can lose my business.

    If I hire my sister too.

    Penalize businesses that hire illegals, but don't add more regulations to the honest citizens.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    @Cowboy Dude

    By using E-verify, you won't lose your business license. Only those that refuse to verify their workers legal right to work should be worried. It's starts out as a warning, suspension, then business licenses are pulled. That's three times breaking the law.

    If an employee turns out to be here illegally, and e-verify told you he could work, your off the hook. This protects honest businessmen.

    It's your safety net, unless you plan on breaking the law. Your in Washington county, it's been the law there since Dec. 17.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    @ COWBOY DUDE

    No need to hire a lawyer. E-verify only takes about 5 minutes. You only need to verify employees working for you. If your work is outsourced I assume the employees aren't your own.

    Where you SHOULD BE complaining is to the state legislator representing your district. IF they would have started actually working towards ENFORCEMENT methods 5 or 8 yrs. ago when the illegal immigrant trespassing first started getting out of control businesses today wouldn't have to be bearing the brunt of illegal immigrant enforcement measures.
    Ask your state legislator why illegal immigrants have "driver privilage cards" when they're not even supposed to be here.
    Ask your state legislator why we print state documents in spanish?
    Ask your state legislator why, when illegal immigrants arrive at emergency rooms in hospitals they're not arrested after being given free health care.

    I agree with you that we should HEAVILY PENALIZE businesses who hire illegal immigrants.
    Tell that same thing to your state legislator!

    Ask him/her about the other issues that have enticed illegal immigrants to be here while you're at it.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    @Canyontreker:

    "Illegals can't vote."

    Are you sure? Some states don't require an ID to vote.

    Anyway, friends of illegals who are citizens can vote. And who do you suppose they vote for? Blood is thicker than water, haven't you heard?

    "Is there some prejudice for legal immigrants and US Latino citizens?"

    I wouldn't call it prejudice. What it is, is a case of wanting voting to be for the good of the country not for the advantage of some ethnicity or another. We know full well that Obama (and all other politicians) are catering to the Hispanic vote. And why is that? Because Hispanic is a large 'voting bloc' in this country... due largely to our lax immigration enforcement.