Gingrich: admitted REPEAT adulterer (capable of being forgiven but not able to
rebuild the required trust soon enough).Romney: faithful to his
wife.Gingrich: largely a career politician.Romney: NOT a
career politician (and, no, running for office repeatedly does not make you a
politician. Think about it: if you run and lose do you have the authority to
make the laws, lead, govern, etc? No.).Gingrich: censured and
'fired' by his own political peers (federal House of Representatives).Romney: never censured or fired by his own political peers (Massachusetts
state House of Representatives, etc).Gingrich: prone to shoot his
mouth off and later regret it.Romney: measured, tempered and
even-keeled.Gingrich: self-made millionaire 'guilty' of practicing
capitalism like Romney but hypocritically doesn't decry his own pursuit of
wealth.Romney: self-made multi-millionaire and relatively quiet
about it (he allows other to 'the pursuit of happiness' as they see fit). Gingrich: focused primarly on beating Romney.Romney: focused
on beating Obama.Gingrich: worked for Freddie Mac (which CLEARLY
helped bring about the Great Recession).Romney: worked for Bain
(Staples, Domino's, Sports Authority, etc) which helped create over 110,00
jobs.Gingrich: flash.Romney: substance.Please, please LOOK!
@ A Guy With A Brain, pure spin. Pure spin.
If Romney loses here in SC, it could get ugly and long.
Gingrich is ahead down south because the hard core southern folks are having a
hard time getting behind a moderate Mormon candidate.
Classy move, post a picture of the presidential candidates and leave out the #2
candidate. Ron Paul
If either Gingrich or Santorum win the nomination, I will vote for a Democratic
candidate for the first time in my life (unless there is a good alternative on
the ballot as an independent). Only Romney or Paul are worth voting for in the
general election (for different reasons). I still can't believe Gingrich is
supported by so many Republicans - what ever happened to supporting morality,
honesty, and integrity? Paul and Romney have all those traits (and if you don't
believe that Romney does not have integrity, you don't know him; integrity is a
measure of character and morality in personal life, not of never changing your
beliefs - that's dogmatism).
I got a kick out the the guy who totally uninformed states, it's ok to give
millions to a "Christian Organization" but to give it to a
"Mormon Cult Organization" is wrong? When will people educate
themselves to the truth of the matter? It's so funny how after I talk to
"Open" Christians about my faith they understand we (Mormon People)
are Christians just like they are! It is so frustrating, he doesn't trust Romney
because he has this hidden MORMON Agenda? Yet all the other candidates have
those supporting them calling Mitt's beliefs a "Cult" without knowing
the facts and thousands and possibly millions follow them blindly not knowing
the reality of what Mitt Romney believes! To steal a phrase from Newt, "I
am appauled that these kinds of attacks from Main Stream Christendom is taking
place!" It's a joke!
We shall see what kind a fighter Mitt is. Regardless of the outcome tonight,
Mitt needs to show more passion in defending his record
If Mitt loses tonight, it is essentially all over for the Romney campaign. Newt
will sweep through the South, take Texas and Mitt can't take California after
the Prop 8 battle. Anti-Prop 8 people will register as Republicans just for the
chance of voting against a Mormon.
Mitt has long known that South Carolina would be a hard state for him to win. No
surprises here. Newt isn't even on the ballot in Missouri, Virginia, and
others, so we will see how far this goes.
I guess they like dogs there.Several years ago Romney strapped, in
his words, "the beloved family pet," Shamus, a high strung Irish
setter, in a cage on the top of a car for a 12 hour trip to the family's
lakeside lodge. Not surprisingly, this arduous exposure to the elements caused
Shamus to defecate in terror, thereby soiling himself and the car. Despite the
dog's obvious acute distress, Romney merely hosed Shamus off with water at a gas
station and merrily continued the 12 hour trip.Romney, likely our
next president if the GOP prevails, ignored the obvious, more humane choice of
strapping luggage, instead of the "beloved family pet," to the top of
If Newt wins the Republican nomination I will probably write-in Romney in the
general, or if Paul runs as a third party I may even vote for him. I simply
cannot vote for Obama and I will not vote for Newt. Both are equally
distasteful. I was able to vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils. Newt is
not a lesser evil then Obama.
Newt Gingrich is winning because millions of Americans like you are standing
upto the liberal media and the moderate Republican establishment.Conservatives don't want Mitt Romney leading the Republican party. We want a serious Reagan conservative who will go toe-to-toe this year against
Barack Obama.Newt Gingrich is now ahead in many polls in South
Carolina, despite millions and millions of dollars spent by Mitt and his friends
in negative ads.Newt's message is still resonating because he is
offering a positive agenda of less government, less taxes and less spending. As Speaker of the House, Newt pushed through a conservative agenda
starting with his Contract with America.Speaker Gingrich cut taxes,
restrained spending . . . and forced Democrat Bill Clinton to come to the
table. They even reformed welfare and led the nation to four successive balanced
budgets.Unliked Mitt Romney, Newt has consistently been pro-life.
Romney says he's changed, but Romneycare allowed patients to get tax-funded
Lest we forget, Romney lost to Fred Thompson 4 years ago in SC. Yes, the actor.
SC was uphill from the beginning for the Mormon candidate.Looking
at the exit polls surveys, South Carolinians clearly care more about a
candidate's religious beliefs, and whether they announce themselves as a
"conservative." (Seriously, do even "conservatives" even
know what that really means anymore?) rather than the real issues and a leader's
character.All we can glean from today is that it'll be a long
nomination process and a three-man race (Paul will fight to the end). Who
knows, maybe Utah's vote will actually matter this year!
I believe that Mitt will win fairly easily. Remember that Newt is not on the
ballot in several states. The few people that I have talked to in Alabama, all
non-Mormons, are either undecided or say that they will vote for Mitt.I also believe that Florida will go for Mitt. All that Newt's win in South
Carolina does is put the front runners back to "0 to 0" at square one.
I've been a Republican all my life. South Carolina just prove to me that there
values aren't important in a candidate. Should Gingrich win the right to fall
election. I'll vote for no one. This nation is at a cross roads. I've earned my
right to vote as a Veteran. The Republican Party fired Gingrich that should be
Esquire | 3:53 p.m. Jan. 21, 2012Spin? Everything that I said is
just "spin"?Good grief.And you can vote,
too.How long, Lord, how long?......
I'm sad. Bummer, but people have a right to their choices, even if I disagree
Romney? More like "wrong-knee," or wrong FOOT, as in he got off on the
Ok Mitt suporters, stop being sore loosers. Mitt was beaten badly in the debates
on top of very poor handling of the Tax issue, didn't have good response for
Bain Capital and offshore accounts. These are Mitt's strength but he fumbled
badly, common Mitt we know you are better than that.I'm glad Mitt
lost so he can show us that he deserves our vote.You have to give it
to Newt, he did a great job this week.What happened tonight was the
best thing that Mitt can ever hoped for. Go Mitt!
Mitt Romney lost South Carolina because of his flip-flopping on important
issues, sneaky methods used in his personal income tax payments, and business
strategies that resulted in a loss of jobs to American citizens. The fact that
he is a Mormon had little, if anything, to do with his loss. Romney's losses
will continue. His political ship is sinking.
Now we have a real race! It's noteworthy that Romney received only 26 percent of
the vote, close to the 25% level that Mitt has been tracking for the last 6
months in polls. Guessing that the GOP primary race will go to the bitter end.
Gingrich supporters: Your man Newt Gingrich is an admitted two-time
adulterer. If that doesn't matter to you, you are devoid of worthwhile values.
Morality always matters. Always.Here's my question: if Newt
Gingrich promised BOTH his previous wives he'd be faithful to them but did not,
how can you or I believe he'll be 'faithful' (politically speaking) to what he
promises you and me he'll do for us if elected? It's a simple question but with
enormous implications. Can Newt 'repent'? Sure. But can he be
trusted? No, not in the 2012 presidential race because there simply isn't
enough TIME to regain that sacred trust. You don't know him, you've never met
him, have never dealt with him on an intimate, personal basis so you how do you
know? You don't.To emphasize what I'm trying to say, consider this
hypothetical instance (which, sadly, may not hypothetical for many of you out
there: if your spouse cheated on you MULTIPLE times, how long would it take you
to trust them again. Not just forgive them, but to fully TRUST them.See what I mean?
Please Please Please, ultraconservatives are going to hand Barack Obama, who is
the worst President in the History of the United States his reelection if we
nominate the likes of Gingrich, Santorum or Paul. Independents will not vote
for these 3. Get a clue!!! Barack Obama is ruining this nation and he and his
wife will not stop until they have completely destroyed it. We must not let
Obama have another term and I am afraid the right wing, evangelicals are going
to put us right on the brink.
From a guy with a brain"Gingrich: focused primarly on beating
Romney.Romney: focused on beating Obama."There in
lies Romney's biggest mistake. He was looking ahead to a competition he had yet
earned the right to compete in. If there is a lesson from business Romney
should have brought with him, is that you learn to close the deal before you
start figuring out how to win the next one. We saw the same
attitude from Rumsfield and Cheney. They didn't complete mission 1 - beating
the Taliban, before they went after yet another opponent. The Bush
administration ended in a total failure with regard to the Taliban due to their
guidance. And it resulted in a hugely flawed plan going into Iraq, not having
an exit plan to close out that campaign before they started handing out
contracts for Iraqi oil. It is the reason that one must really look
hard before installing a "business man" in the role of commander and
chief. Winning a war is a lot different then a leveraged buyout. If you are
failing, you can't just run to Bankruptcy court to make your problems go away.
LIves versus corporate profits are at stake.
This is really frightening. But what's even more frightening is that so many
people actually voted for this man.What's wrong with this country?
"Gingrich is ahead down south because the hard core southern folks are
having a hard time getting behind a moderate Mormon candidate."Ummmm, no. Romeny was in the lead up until Monday by a large percentage,
until he opened his mouth about his "wealth", inserting his foot in
his mouth deeply. Romeny thought if he just called people who were poor as
jealous and bent on class warfare, this would all go away.What he
miscalculated that a large portion of the poor in South Carolina are
conservative, proud, and insulted by a Yankee claiming they are in envy of his
riches. They resent money was sent to Wall Street to bail out very rich
American businessmen, while nothing was done to keep their homes from being
foreclosed on by these very same people. Had Romney stayed positive,
been forthright about his finances, followed his fathers lead in disclosure, it
would be Romney celebrating today. His rants about "free enterprise"
fell flat on ears of those who have been burned by the free banking system who
was bailed out, but small businesses we left to struggle.It was that
backlash that hurt him, not his religion.
Guy with a brain..."Here's my question: if Newt Gingrich
promised BOTH his previous wives he'd be faithful to them but did not, how can
you or I believe he'll be 'faithful' (politically speaking) to what he promises
you and me he'll do for us if elected? It's a simple question but with enormous
implications. "Completely agree with you on this. If his ego
and passions can get him to sell out, how do you know he will not do likewise to
the people of this country. It is a question that deserves the deep
introspection as does Romney's finances. Unfortunately people know about
Gingrich's issues, and can make judgements on it. On the other hand, Romney
wants to wait until after he files taxes for last year before discussing his
business ethics.To many, it is a question of judging the devil you
know, versus the devil you won't know about until April. If Romney would just
put this behind him, he could spend more time on other issues. But now this is
the big unknown elephant in the room Romney decided to keep around until
April.Hand very much misplayed.
The comedian comments said something along the lines of I will vote for Mitt's
statue as it cannot change.Chances are Mitt will be fine and the GOP
will get behind him after Jan31 but til then he will have to endure a torture
test.I am guessing that the country saw Clinton still serve his
country well after straying and are hoping for the same from Newt.Seems no matter how much we like Mitt in this state he tracks about 25% of the
GOP vote nationwide. More candidates spell success for Mitt but when Cain and
others drop out his 25% is no longer a majority.Pres Obama is
criticized for not enough government experience, Newt should not get the same
treatment if he gets in.+
Political reality folks.Mitt was never, NEVER going to win South
Carolina. He is a Mormon and that trumps an philandering adulterer who helped
build Fannie/Freddie into the anchors of the Great Recession. Do not kid
yourself here. All of those alleged family values Evangelicals will overlook
quite a bit of baggage. Mitt can win Virginia and Florida which will help him.
The plan is survive the South, win the North, and let the West (not the coast)
come through. My hunch is California wont go for Newt.Anyone who
thinks Newt is a Reagan Conservative needs to re-examine history. You have
omitted either by ignorance or willful blindness the entire Newt record.
Romneycare: Romney needs to say LOUD and CLEAR that:1st - the people
of Massachusetts, as a whole, wanted universal coverage. When I say "as a
whole" I mean the majority of Massachusetts citizens. This is what the
Massachusetts state representatives (80-85% Democrat, BTW) said, ie, "Our
constituents want universal healthcare". The same can NOT be said of
Obamacare. Don't believe it? Just Google and YouTube all the angry protests at
town hall meetings when Obama and the Dems were trying to sell this to the
American people.2nd - Massachusetts Democrats added lots of
expensive bells and whistles to the law that have made operating costs more
burdensome and expensive. I say that because I CLEARLY remember Romney saying
that to McCain in one of their debates in 2008. Why in the world has Romney not
been saying it this time around?One thing is for sure: Romney has
GOT to speak with more fire and passion in the debates or the liberal mainstream
media is going to bury him. Dems want Obama to run against anyone other than
Obama. The #1 issue is jobs, jobs, jobs and Romney is the only one capble of
beating Obama on that.
A CNN analyst just said that she was speaking with Gingrich earlier and he told
her that he could tell people that red is blue and they would believe him
because he is passionate. The man is an amazingly gifted orator, but he is cruel
and dishonest. We need to share information with friends and family to help
people see reality. Four years ago, McCain went from last in the
pack, no money or organization, and within two days, many major news orgs came
out to endorse him...obviously organized. The media fought for him and he shot
up. Then they turned against him (to his utter shock) in the generals because
they had set him up as a candidate with too much baggage to fight their golden
boy. This has just happened again. Is America smart enough to see they are being
manipulated? South Carolina wasn't.
Well, it's official. South Carolinians hate Obama (and Mitt) enough to turn
their backs on their precious 'family values'. What a slap in the
face to Santorum.
I am a lifelong Democrat that none of these candidates have a chance swaying in
the general election. That said, What's with the slams against Newts adultery?
First off I don't see what that has to do with governing anyone exept, maybe his
wife. It seems to me that's between him and her. The other thing that blows my
mind is, How Newt supporters keep carrying on about a "Ronald Reagan
conservative." Seems to me that is the sure fire way to lose an election.
Most Americans are moderate. You can argue center left or center right all you
want but, you won't win with an extremist conservative. As a Dem, I welcome that
because, as a liberal, I see Obama as a moderate. You extreme rightys only see
him as a liberal because you're so far right. I am probably just as far left as
you are right and, trust me, Obama's not over here with me. I want a FDR liberal
as much as you want a RR conservative.
I love the headline. Does this mean MR buys his competition and it goes through
a "reduction in force"??
re: Esquire @ 3:53 p.m. Jan. 21, 2012It may be spin or even
semantics but what A Guy With A Brain means when he says "Romney: measured,
tempered and even-keeled." is repressed, pedantic, & so lacking in
emotion he makes Spock look like a 13 yr old girl at Justin Beiber concert.
Outcome shows that Evangelicals in South Carolina are more bothered by Romney
being a mormon than Newt Gingrich being a serial adulterer.So called
"values voters" check their values at the door when it comes to
religious bigotry.The result is that they are helping defeat Romney
who has the only real shot at beating Obama in a general election. Gingrich may
be good at throwing red meat to conservatives, but he will NEVER win over
Independent voters who are the key to the election. Hes too polarizing and has
too much baggage.No, the evangelicals both in Iowa and South
Carolina are willing to shoot themselves in the foot. Heaven forbid that a
mormon get the nomination.
Newt Gingrich has a national unfavorable rating of 56% right now. No major party
presidential nominee has ever began a campaign with such high disapproval.What is that scripture many of you quote? What is evil will be seen as
Wow! I hear they are shooting fireworks over the White House tonight. Now Newt
can pick Rush Limbaugh for his running mate. Equally unelectable. Thank you
South Carolina. You can now get back to what you do best-- Watch SEC football.
@the atheist do you mean the fourth place candidate? right above all the
people that already dropped out. I guess maybe the should give him one last
shout out before he exits the stage.
for those of you who have never lived in the south here's a news flash for you.
Southerners will lie to pollsters about personal bigotry whether religious or
racist. I'm a Mormon that has spent half of my life there including my birth and
formative years. A Mormon will not do well with the Evangelicals in the south.
Santorum wins Iowa. Newt wins South Carolina. Romney wins mass. His home state
basicly. The Gop has gone to Cain, (My 9 9 9 program) Perry (I cant remember
what i'm talking about), to now Newt. It seems they want ANYONE but Mitt. The
democrats just sit back and watch the circus as the GOP eats their own. Just
like the GOP in Utah did to Bob Bennett. The GOP is a circus, and their
followers just grab the tail of the elephant in front of them and are lead in
whatever direction. The GOP is a joke
Just shows you how ignorant people can be. Here is a state that has a
unemployment rate at 10% and they can't get passed being and saying some of the
most bigoted things to help get them out of their problems.Newt gets
this thing and then Obama wins another four years, I hope you all enjoy your
unemployment and this nation being at the bottom of the toilet because of your
ignorance... lolOh by the way is So Carolina even in the US? lol
This is what happens when you flip flop your positions for political expediency.
You lose to the guy that betrayed his ex wives when they were married. It is
one thing to lie and cheat on you wife, but it is another to lie and cheat on
the American voter. Maybe Mitt should have asked for an open relationship with
the Pro-Choice people and other groups\issues he once supported. That way he
can flip flop with no consequences.
Give Newt some credit for using adultry to gain votes. Not even Obama can beat
that.With a sixteen trillion dollar debt, and high unemployment, we
once again show our inability to elect honest leaders with character.
First off I support Santorum. Gingrich got less than 50% of the vote.
Only three states have voted at all. The race is not over despite South
Carolina precedents. South Carolina has made a lot of progress, but they are
still in many ways stuck in the 19th century and 19th century mentalities. The Republicans will be making a mistake in endorsing Gingrich. He will
have a hard time carrying Utah, and even if he does it will hurt Utah candidates
down ballot from him and add to political animosity and bickering. I shudder at
the thought of Gingrich as the nominee.
South Carolina is an open primary state. I wonder how many Democrats voted for
Gingrich? I don't believe Chrisitans would vote for Gingrich.shuttdlrl
I am sorry Mitt Romney lost in SC, however I am for Ron Paul and he was last.
My question is why would anyone especially a member of The Church of
Latter-Day Saints want to be president of the US now. There is no way that
he/she could save America at this point. We have gone past the point where we
will ever get our freedom's back.
The exit polls showed Mitt did poorest with the least educated and most
conservative voters. Bottom line: Mitt's running in the wrong party.
I hope that I don't have to choose between Newt and Obama. I disagree with Obama
on just about everything, but I will not vote for a serial adulterer who has
shown a complete lack of fidelity to anything or anyone. Maybe there will be a
box entitled "can we have a do-over?"
FreeAndClear: Romney does not need to condemn something that involves his
family and many other families in this country. The LDS Church did not want to
rule the U.S. or the world.
It's comforting to know (but not terribly surprising) that the evangelical
voters of South Carolina voted for an adulterer who bails on the second most
important relationship in life (next to that with God) when trouble reared its
ugly head, rather than a Mormon.Not impressed.
The exit polls prove that a lot of SC voters fit the unflattering stereotype of
the uneducated Bible-thumping rabble in the South. I used to think that
stereotype was an ugly myth. I'm not in love with Romney, but there's at least
some hope of improvement if he's elected. Romney is successful. He shouldn't
have to apologize for that; it's the reason he might be able to lead the country
into more prosperous times. Romney is a faithful Mormon. He shouldn't have to
apologize for that, either; his religion advocates charity and integrity. The
rest of the Republican candidates are embarrassing. Santorum is sanctimonious,
but his record is unimpressive; Gingrich is Machiavellian in the extreme; Paul
is off the reservation. Obama has proven his willingness to compromise; he has
proven popular with our allies; he has made headway against the tsunami of
financial woes he inherited. I didn't vote for him in 2008, but I sure will in
2012 if Romney is not the Republican nominee. The choice may be very easy, in
South Carolinians voted against the media (Newt tirade), not for Newt. If they
did, God help them for voting for an admitted adulterer twice over. This has
nothing to do with not forgiving. It has everything to do with understanding
that character matters. Washington is about power. Unless Americans return to
God, it doesn't matter who they choose. The choice now is either liberty and
freedom (Ron Paul) or Fascism (Republican candidate) or Marxism (Democratic
candidate). If Romney wins, he has only one choice, to move this nation toward
Liberty and freedom, or watch the party that elected him break into pieces,
along with the country he loves.
@Steven S Jarvis:"If Romney loses here in SC, it could get ugly
and long."How much uglier can it get than to expose the
despicable conduct of Newt re his wives and affairs?Apparently SC
voters would rather put an despicable admitted adulterer ahead of a faithful,
dedicated husband and father. And speaking of 'admitted,' he comes crying for
forgiveness and forbearance simply as an expediency to run for public office.
Give us a break, Mr. Speaker. Pick up your bad temper and foul conduct and go
home.Since Gingrich has decided to get mean, Mitt has a few aces up
This is almost as disappointing as that Civil War thing, South Carolina. Sigh .
I'm sorry. I just couldn't finish this article for the ridiculous people who
were quoted as representative South Carolinians. It could be that many only
voted for Gingrich to give Obama a better chance in November.
@Al Thepal:"If Newt wins the Republican nomination I will
probably write-in Romney in the general..."Same here. I will
not vote for an adulterer who served divorce papers on two wives on their sick
beds... while committing adultery with his current wife.@t702:Mitt was beaten badly in the debates on top of very poor handling of the
Tax issue..."What tax issue? He paid his taxes... all that was
due. It's not his fault if the Congress saw fit to pass a 15% tax rate on
certain income."... didn't have good response for Bain Capital
and offshore accounts."He emphatically and clearly stated that
Bain created 110,000 jobs. He also stated he paid taxes on his Cayman income.
Obviously, SC votes are not smart enough to fathom the simply put truth.@Ok:"Mitt Romney lost South Carolina because of his...
sneaky methods used in his personal income tax payments, and business strategies
that resulted in a loss of jobs to American citizens."You must
be from SC where they simply are incapable of understanding the truth. Mitt
paid the taxes due and his company created 110,000 jobs.
I'm not a Gingrich fan. I think Romney is the best qualified candidate for the
office and I hope he gets the nomination. However, I'm not about to sit at home
or throw my vote away on a candidate who can't win. Even if Gingrich ends up
winning the nomination, the most important thing is stopping the bleeding. I
will vote for Newt (or whoever the GOP puts up) in a heartbeat to get Obama out
of office. It's nothing personal and it isn't racist, as some have
claimed. I knew Obama was not qualified for the job before he ran. But now he
has added $5 Trillion to the national debt, saddled us with a healthcare program
we cannot sustain, seems content with over 8% unemployment, and has even
defunded NASA. He is presiding over our decline. If it has to be Newt, then so
be it. Obama has got to go.
re: davidutefanEvanston, WY..."What's with the slams
against Newts adultery?" David, well, for social conservatives
it's an issue because there is a sense of if someone is willing to lie and cheat
on oath to his spouse that he has ethical flaws that speak to his ability to
hold fidelity to his oath of office. As a Democrat you should be railing against
Newt for hypocrisy since he led the charge to throw President Clinton out of the
Whitehouse for being unfaithful to HIS marital oath.
Gingrich 40%. Romney 28%, My fellow LDS Republicans ( I am former but LDS) the
SC primary shows that Republicans prefer someone who has lived a life of
DISHONESTY after making vows before GOD to take care of his wife time 2. TIME TO QUIT the Republican party. They want it to be run with moral
HYPOCRITES.I called this months ago, I said Romney would stumble in
the South. Stop supporting this party that puts up with Mormons like we are
broccoli that must somehow be stomached.
Getting better all the time for Ron Paul. Romney didn't have a chance against
the bible belt baptist who can see through Romney for what he is, a phony.
Gingrich just happened to win because he was the either/or candidate and Ron
Paul is being black listed by all news media companies because he is their enemy
of lies of the news.As time keep crumbling the de-facto GOB
politicians, the truth is unavoidable and the small but giant voice of the
American people can see the truth of Ron Paul. He is unwavering and talking
straight and proving the lies of government and politicians. Ron Paul can and
will beat Obama at his own game, without pity or remorse, or perjury. Obama has
perjured himself so many times he has created dozens of rotten eggs to be
debunked as a hoax and unamerican.
Who'd have thought that in this so-called enlightened age anti-Mormon bigotry
would be strong enough in a place like South Carolina to elect a two-time
adulterer and career politician over a man of the character of Mitt Romney.Shame on you, South Carolina. If you wanted to make a statement, you
sure did. You demonstrated your ignorance. I wouldn't give Newt Gingrich a
snowball's chance in the fall election.This guy offends the
marjority of the people he has to work with to get anything done, which is why
the Republicans ousted him. But never mind, he's a "safe choice" for
the statement-makers who don't know how to win.
It's a vote for a Presidential nominee, not a vote for "Husband of the
Year".To say that all those who voted for Gingrich did so because
they hate Mormons and condone adultery is not fair and just as prejudiced as
you claim the Evangelicals to be.
Those fickle South Carolina voters. They couldn't bring themselves tovote
for a high-qualified, decent individual -- who happens to be aMormon. So,
instead, they vote for the only candidate who tried to havetwo wives at
the same time.
It is a sad day when SC will give up the presidency to Obama just because they
dont want a Mormon to be president. Newt has long history of infidelity, lying,
and has been divorced twice. So much for southern values. To win the
presidency you must have a major portion of the independent vote and no
independent will vote for Newt.
Religion matters to the right wingers.
Romney would do himself a favor if he spoke to the issues facing this country
and not continue the chant "beat Obama". We got that months ago, so
how will you be different? Stop your headlong race to the radicalized
right. It is a small faction. Your strength is being a past moderate. Your
current campaign tells me the king has no clothes.Do not be afraid to let
people know your financial worth. It will come out soon enough, to include the
reported $40 million in a Cayman bank. No, you do not pay US taxes on that
money. We are not all fools.Try the truth and identify yourself as who
you are, not how you think people want to see you as.
@A Guy With a Brain"Here's my question: if Newt Gingrich promised
BOTH his previous wives he'd be faithful to them but did not, how can you or I
believe he'll be 'faithful' (politically speaking) to what he promises you and
me he'll do for us if elected?"Fair argument, but being someone
who was very fond of Mass-Mitt who was completely different than current-Mitt,
I'm not sure how this helps your argument since Mitt already was unfaithful
(politically speaking) to what he promises.
It appears we are in the 'entertainment, soundbite generation'. When the circus
comes to town the clowns get a lot of attention, but that does not mean the are
qualified to do the high wire act.
The race has just started. I am not giving up on Romney. He is still the man
The United States Government is full of people who "twist"(lie) the
facts to suit their needs. This is nothing new.Maybe you folks are so
terribly upset because your Mitt has possibly "twisted" his issues as
well. Chris Christie and other "highly thought of" Republicans,
tried to get Mitt to discuss and disclose his taxes and reasons for offshore
accounts.Mitt chose to ignore their advice. What could be so bad, that
Mitt let this issue bring him down?According to the media, Newt deserves
credit for his tenacity in bringing Romney's financial issues to the forefront
for American voters to ponder.Apparently, voters could not relate to Mitt.
It could be his financial issues, his Mormonism, or the fact that he cannot
relate to the common man.The majority of Voters in SC could relate Newt,
want his as their leader, and have either forgotten, or forgiven his issues.
MapleDon: It's comforting to know (but not terribly surprising) that the
evangelical voters of South Carolina voted for an adulterer who bails on the
second most important relationship in life (next to that with God) when trouble
reared its ugly head, rather than a Mormon.In South Carolina, nearly
two-thirds of voters Saturday said they are born again or evangelical
Christians, backed Gingrich over Romney by 2-1 also. Im surprised he received
that support from the pale of Christianity who understand forgiveness, but
probably dont really understand Mormonism. Romney in Utah would receive
over 95% of the Mormon vote,do to the institutional belief system, which leads
to falling into theological cement.
Why was Al Gore or John Kerry never asked to publish their tax returns? Why is
Romney demonized because he accululated some wealth but Al Gore, Kerry, Nany
Pelosi, Bill and Hillary, et al never are? Double standard? No doubt about it!
And if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather
than upon an unworthy individual, who might make use of the weapon we put in his
hand to destroy us with."Doubtfull I need to say who this is
Mountanman,No one should be "demonized" for being rich, Kennedy
was extremely rich. Wealth is a non issue for me. It's my guess that most have
an issue with Romney's father starting the the tax form release tradition with
releasing 12 years of his own. Yet his son has not been willing to follow in his
fathers footsteps.Personally, I believe the GOP made a major mistake with
the treatment of Huntsman. He was their only good canidate, I could care less
about any party, party is irrelevant, the individual is the only aspect. As I
posted above, quoted from Joseph Smith, if Newt is the GOP canidate, who will
you vote for?
Until we're ready to marginalize religion from the political process these are
the results we will get.
With this the GOP just handed the election to Obama. Gingrich has no chance
against Obama. If Mitt pulls it out in the end he will be to battered for the
general election. The democrats are laughing themselves silly.If
the GOP is comprised of evangelicals who are so accepting of an immoral and
dishonest person as Gingrich it makes you wonder about their true level of
adherence to Bible principles. I have been a life long member of the GOP but
perhaps this is not the party of vision and justice any longer. It is probably
time to abandon the party and look at charcter.At least Obama as far
as I know has been faithful to his spouse. I hate his policies but would rather
tell my children that moral correctness always trumps ideology every time. This
is why Bill Clinton was such a failure for the Presidency. I never respected
him and also never trusted one thing he said. I will say the same about Newt.
I can't trust him and although a good orator he is in it for himself and not for
In light of the stark reality that the Republican party is a party of convenient
principles (demonstrated last night), can anyone argue why I should retain my
party membership instead of renouncing it and becoming an Independent?When Newt was excoriating Bill Clinton, he asked if a man could show such poor
judgment in his personal affairs and still show good judgment in the execution
of his office. Within the last few months, the revelation of Herman Cain's
indiscretions caused the right wing of the party to reject him.The
hypocritical South Carolina Republicans have decided that it mattered before but
it doesn't matter now.I supported this party through "The
Contract with America" which I hated.I supported this party
through their "Borrow and Spend" doctrine while they were
simultaneously condemning the Democrats "Tax and Spend" doctrine.I supported this party when out-of-state tea party activists stole my
opportunity to vote for Bob Bennett by stuffing the state convention with
delgates that kept him off the primary ballot.How can I continue to
support an organization that is more concerned about itself than those it claims
to care for, the citizens of the United States?
@joe5"In light of the stark reality that the Republican party
is a party of convenient principles (demonstrated last night), can anyone argue
why I should retain my party membership instead of renouncing it and becoming an
Independent?"The answer is you shouldn't have been a member of
a party in the first place. I like what George Washington had to say about
The "hundreds of thousands of jobs created" isn't true and Romney
knows it. He has changed this number over the last several months.From the debate on CNN: 'created 120,000 jobs minus 10,000 jobs is 110,000
jobs created.'from CBS after NH win: "tens of thousands of
jobs"from his own ad before the SC primary: "thousands of
jobs" created.He can't deny saying 110,000 jobs. He said it
very plainly. Once something's been said in a public forum it's out there
forever thanks to the internet.He should have owned up the the
'thousands of jobs' rather than have to backpedal now. It's this kind of
dissembling that people don't like.
Washington was an idealist in a very immature time in our nation's existence.
Remember, candidates did not even run campaigns in that timeframe. They were
drafted, so to speak. Although parties existed, their role was merely to define
a system of political thought through a platform of loosely-held ideas.Martin Van Buren, during the Andrew Jackson campaign, is the one who first
exercised the political clout that an organized party could muster and his
efforts created a political machine that kept his party in power pretty much
uninterrupted for more than 30 years.Washington had been dead for a
quarter century when the party process that we know today was born. IMHO, there
is nothing wrong with people trying to create organization out of chaos in order
to bring about a common set of objectives.The problem is that just
like other social organizations such as unions, the NRA, ACLU, Sierra Club, etc;
those that are most passionate (and most extreme because of their passion) tend
to rise to the top of the organization. Virtually every political and social
organization tends to become extremist. And with extremism comes the idea of
objectives over principle.
Bebyebe: How are those contradictory. Doesn't 110,000 count as tens of
thousands? Doesn't it count as thousands? Each of those claims was made in the
context of a much broader statement or point he was trying to make at the time.
But they do not contradict each other.
The job creating numbers aren't an outright lie but they are misleading. Why
not say thousands of jobs rather than 100s of thousands to begin with? People
don't like feeling they've been treated as fools.I hope his
opponents continue to call him on these exaggerations.
Reality crashes down on the Utah conservatives. Better start a separate party
because you have no clout whatsoever with the Republicans.
Last comment due to DN restrictions.one vote: I don't care at all
about the clout I have or my religion has with the Republican party. I didn't
affiliate with them because of some ego trip that I would be given great power.
I affiliated with them because they most closely reflected my own political
thought. But when they abandon those principles, whether social, economic,
political, or other principles; well, perhaps that is time to part company.
I have voted for every Republican presidential ticket beginning with Reagan. If
Newt ultimately wins the nomination that streak will come to an end. How can you support a man leading an impeachment against a president for lack
of moral conviction while the man himself is stepping out on his wife?
one vote"Reality crashes down on the Utah conservatives. Better start
a separate party because you have no clout whatsoever with the
Republicans."Theocracy anyone? :)
Newt just threw out red meat for the base in South Carolina. As Diamond Joe
Quimby on The Simpsons says, "They're like trained seals. Throw'em a fish,
and watch the slap their fins together for some more."Romney
needs to go on the offensive and talk about the ethics violations the former
speaker. Although Newt has brilliantly tried to block this move by saying he
doesn't want to go negative. Any questions about him in debates he deflects off
as the media out to get him. If Romney brings it up, he will look like he is
trying to be negative. Romney needs to get the tax returns out and put it to
rest. If he didn't pay that much or any at all through loopholes, he could use
the "That's why we need to reform tax laws" strategy, but he needs to
get the focus off of that issue. Romney still has the money (you
can't spell Romney without M-O-N-E-Y) and the infrastructure, but he has to go
on the offensive or risk losing momentum--this could go to convention without
enough delegates to win. GOOD TIMES!
from article: "many evangelical voters who wouldn't consider Romney
because he is a Mormon...that attitude may not be as pronounced in other states,
it's not going to go away. It's going to be an issue everywhere he goes"These same GOP people who still have such problems with Mormons in
government would have had a complete apoplectic fit if they had known how many
of President Reagan's staff and advisers were Mormons.I wonder if
they see their glaring hypocrisy in basking in this continuingphobia of
Mormons, while embracing and voting for a person condemning honest financial
gain, while he himself sought and received substantial questionable financial
gain. And who cries and complains when anyone wonders at his
seriously questionable morals, habitual infidelity and mockery of marriage vows.
First, I am not a Newt backer or apologizer. But lets get real here. As an
LDS person, i am always embarrassed by how members like to play the persecution
card. Many of these same people are the same ones who complain that blacks play
the race card too often, then turn right around and play the religion card.
Get over it. There is always someone who doesn't like something about a class
of people, too short, too tat, western, yankee, southerner, muslim, catholic,
jewish, whatever. There are also the same who hate political correctness, yet
then feel free to whine when someone says something negative about their group.
I don't think we are a nation of beggers, but I do think we are a
nation of cry babies. Second part Utahn's don't get about
evangelical beliefs is the premise that they view all people as imperfect,
trying to become so relying on grace to become so. Utah LDS tend to have this
attitude that you are expected to be perfect, and that failures to be so is a
sign of weakness. It is a small but very significant difference - and why they
For a long while I thought the LDS bigotry towards Mitt was exaggerated, But the
SC primary has me in serious doubts about this. I just cant understand how a
group of supposed "devout moral christians" could vote for Newt 2-1
over Romney when their main political driving force has been family values and
morality. Its clear being LDS is worse to them and thats awful. Voting for Newt
who has repeatedly violated the very things they preach so hard against is
beyond hypocrisy. Mitt Romney isnt my personal first choice, but how any
christian moral upstanding conservative could vote for Newt over Romney is far
beyond me.... I also have a very hard time believing a bunch of democrats would
go to a republican open primary in droves to vote for Newt so Obama can win, its
a convenient argument buts its now clear to me LDS bigotry is alive and well.
I totally agree with UtahBlueDevil. I am LDS as well and am tired of hearing
the "they hate us" line. Romney was leading the state a week before
the vote. His poor debate performances put Gingrich in the lead--not a bias
against the LDS religion. Romney's poorly phrased words of my speaking fees
"not that much money" when it is $300,000 also isolated him from a
state that is experiencing high unemployment. His tax records and
his time at Bain Capital are relevant to discuss as is Gingrich's ethics
violations and personal history. He is just not as adept as Newt is at
deflecting criticism or blaming the media. He still has the inside track
because I think most states will think he is more electable, but he needs to
worry about the task at hand. Last week, he was talking like he was the
nominee. Don't count your chickens before their hatched. I think he may be tag
teamed from Santorum and Gingrich. From watching the speeches, it looks like
those two have an alliance formed. Should make for good tv next debate.
"You have to give it to Newt, he did a great job this week."Newt didn't do a great job, the media did. Would he have still won if the
ex-wife kept silent? There would have been no standing ovation from me...what
are we applauding?
Okay Romney led by almost a dozen with a week to go so anti-Mormon bigotry
wasn't enough since those wouldn't have been supporting him last week. Romney
lost because he was playing prevent defense and South Carolinians like a fighter
which Gingrich proved to be in the two debates. That's not to say there is no
anti-Mormon effect, just that that is not to blame for Gingrich's 25 point swing
the final week (from being down 12 to Romney to beating him by 13) since those
people never supported Romney in the first place.
"What's with the slams against Newts adultery? First off I don't see what
that has to do with governing anyone exept, maybe his wife. "Moral character is at the root of whether government and country succeeds or
not. That's why it matters. If they lie and cheat in their private lives, what
would stop them from doing it in their business dealings?
@ A Guy With A Brain, would you like me to enumerate Romney's weaknesses? You
can insult me all you like, but those things don't change. Your guy will never
be President, and I am not sure he can even get the nomination.
Well...South Carolina has some time to let this sink in and think about who
they really voted for. This reminds me of obama's election...getting caught up
in the moment without really seeing what they're doing.
Let's just put the religion thing aside and all think about who could govern our
country and direct its reemergence as a great nation the best. Gingritch is just
a smart politician who plays dirty and has a terrible record. Santorum is not
exciting and can't gain broad support. Ron Paul is unrealistic about foreign
affairs. Romney has shown his ability to merge different political views in
Massachusetts to achieve compromises. He was outstanding in business and in
directing the Olymbics. Obama has been a disaster financially for our country,
can't even see the wisdom of approving an oil pipeline and has offended our best
allies. We need a change. I wish Romney were a bit more foreceful in his
debates. However, let's get behind Romney.
Nothing new here: the South does not like the Northeast; it goes back 150
years, maybe further.
Ask yourself this.Who can beat obama?everything doesnt matter.Come on utah people, dont get caught in the clouds.
As I see things Jon Huntsman was the least flawed Republican candidate.He was a good governor and led Utah well. Did he please all? No but most would
view him on both sides of the aisle as competent.He has demonstrated
good family values.He has showed the ability to serve country first
and party second.He understands the Chinese culture and language
thus giving him unique insight on who will likely be our economic and perhaps
military rival for the next generation.Though from a wealthy
background, he doesn't come across as uber wealthy. He doesn't have investments
in the Cayman Islands.He doesn't have extreme positions on abortion,
contraception or other social issues like gay marriage that would be appealing
to many in a general election.I think Romney would be the next best
choice but Newt would have no chance in a general election. Let's get serious.
He wouldn't get 40% of the woman vote in a general election and that would be
"Katie Bar the Door" for the Republicans.
Well, as expected, ignorance helped the cause of liberty in South Carolina.
Though my own candidate did not win, it is enough to see Mitt Romney defeated.
He is not a true conservative, and he has frequently taken positions that are
contrary to the teachings of the general authorities of the Church. Mormons
should examine his record and think twice before voting for him; remember,
identity politics is how we got stuck with Barack Obama."Stand
fast in the liberty wherewith ye have been made free, andtrust no man to be a
king over you." Mosiah 23:13RON PAUL 2012
A flawed Bible believing GOP is far superior than a smartly educated, elitist
non Bible believing Democratic party. Yes, Mr. Obama is a good family man of
faith and reason, but once he leaves 1600 Pennslyvania Street in Jan. 2017, his
party will crumble or will have crumbled due to corruption and lack of faith.
Mr. Obama is the last and only good thing his party has going for them, but
don't fret over his victory this fall, the GOP will control the House and
Senate. Then we will just need term limits for Utah's delegation and things
will start working for the positive.
@Bebyebe:"The job creating numbers aren't an outright lie but
they are misleading. Why not say thousands of jobs rather than 100s of
thousands to begin with?"It's probably near impossible to state
exactly how many jobs were created. Maybe he should've adopted the Obama lingo
and said, 'created or saved.'"People don't like feeling they've
been treated as fools."SC has demonstrated that there's a state
full of fools when they voted overwhelmingly for an admitted adulterer who
served divorce papers on two wives on their sick beds and while committing
adultery with his current wife. What kind of ugliness do they want walking the
halls of the White House, anyway?
Let the GOP rationalizing begin!
Clearly religious bigotry is alive and well in S.C. Not voting for someone
because they pay tithing to their church? Afraid that electing a Mormon
president will be free advertising for the Mormon church?Many Americans
thought that such religious bigotry was eliminated with the election of JFK. We
have had a Catholic President, a Quaker president, many Protestant presidents,
and many presidents who did not belong to any religion. How can anyone be
afraid to elect a man because of his religion, when millions of Americans
practice that religion and are responsible citizens, including above average
rates of service in the armed forces of our country?
Sympathy votes for Gingrich because of the way he was attacked about his torrid
personal life? Where is the "sympathy" for a man who has been
smeared because of his religion and because of success in his financial career?
Spells big trouble for the party. Even though on one hand you would have to
give Republicans credit for actually choosing someone who is just as a crazy
conservative as the party has claimed to be over the last 3 years. Gingrich has
a 0% chance of beating Obama, but at least go down with the guy who represents
your values. The coronation is off, and perhaps the nomination.
Florida is a closed-primary, so no help for Mitt by the moderate/independent
voters. If Newt can eak out another win, while being outspent again by Romney
and his Super Pac, things could change pretty quickly.And all of
this just swings the 2012 race even more to Obama. Romney has finally shown
everyone who he really is. And even his own party is rejecting him.
South Carolina: Gingrich Nebraska: Romney Iowa: Rick
Santorum Common denominator: All Republican. This is the worst
Primary in the Republican parties history. Pounding the partisan war
drum of 'I'm more conservative' until there is no one left. We HAVE
a family values canidate. It is the man who is married to his wife,
in the white house.
This was Romney's race to lose. He failed to adapt.You were a
business men. We get it.You were a governor. We get that too.But what have you done for me lately?
The way I see it.Obama got into the white house because he is 1/2 Black
(funny how everyone seemed to just forget that he was 1/2 white also). And he
was a good speaker.Newt(if he gets there), will get there because he
is a good speaker and because he is not LDS!Yeah, our forefathers
who sacrificed so much for our freedoms would be so proud of the way we are
running our country now!
JKayDS: Granted people voted for Obama because he was black but they were
cancelled out by people who voted for McCain because he wasn't black.Obama got into the White House because the country blamed Bush for the war and
the economy and did not want his heir apparent aka McCain to become president.
Adding Palin to the ticket just put the nail in the coffin.
@Alfred:"SC has demonstrated that there's a state full of fools
when they voted overwhelmingly for an admitted adulterer who served divorce
papers on two wives on their sick beds and while committing adultery with his
current wife. What kind of ugliness do they want walking the halls of the White
House, anyway?"Do we really want to be calling a woman who
committed adultery with a married co-worker, the FIRST LADY?? In my eyes, any
woman knowingly and willingly conducting herself in that manner is no lady.
The way I see it.Obama got into the white house because he is 1/2
Black...' - JKayDS | 11:53 a.m. Jan. 23, 2012 And WHO brought up the
skin color of Obama..? The same people who will not vote for Romney
because he is Mormon.