Is there no way that Jeffs could be held incommunicado? He's doing a LOT of
So the man's wife and 10 kids were taken(kidnapped)and the Attorney General or
other law enforcement have not searched every home where there is possibility
they could be? The two towns border each other at the state line. It would be
reasonable to assume that they could have been moved back and forth over the
border which would allow for federal help in solving this.
I object to Shurtleff referring to Jeffs as "the prophet"
I'm appalled Shurtleff, a man has had his family forcibly taken from him and you
"intend" to look into it? When? After you get your nails done? After
those kids get brutalized and possibly sexually assaulted?
Now doubt about Warren Jeffs. However the level of this article is hearsay,
speculation, and an effort to raise public fear. Sex trafficking? doubtful.
Taking everything from a man, including money and family? Children's services
and the judicial system do this every day. Children's services will remove
children forcefully, without due investigation, without legal process on
incomplete forms, and deny the required hearing as well as legal aid. I am
personally familiar with a case the resulted from a vengeful police officer
calling his friend in Children's services, and the children ultimately were
shipped to a different state-- that is child trafficking.
Can they not cut off this man's access to the outside world? He is still harming
people from behind bars.
The sadness of this whole event is that it is playing out like a Monty Python
sketch. Nobody susppects a Spanish Inquistion Cardinal Fang...Nobody".
When the walls don't come tumbling down (even if they did, they would just
relocate him to another prison), and the world doesn't come to an end as Jeffs
has pridicted or when he has predicted, what then for his followers. How will
This whole FLDS thing needs to END! Go in to Colorado City and liberate anyone
being held against their will. Place these poor girls and boys in normal homes
away from their twisted elders.... sooner than later.
If this is Freedom of Religion... then they can take some of the Freedom back...
There is no reason or excuse for this sort of insanity to be tolerated in
any way shape or form.
The AG has been winking and nodding to the clan forever, the same has always
been true. Texas had the right idea. At least they stopped it, investigated the
situation and showed the prophet Jeff's who's boss. These poor children has been
used and abused enough already, are there no men of God with enough guts to step
forward and do what need's to be done already? Where are they?
It must be time to shut these religious prisons down, and for petes' sake
somebody take warren's phone cards away.
Our lds government sees too many similarities between themselves and the flds.
They've no interest in protecting young girls from rape.
From people who lived in Warren Jeff's community, I've learned terribly
troubling things. He is not a friend to children. His face is the face of
Contrary to what some claim a wife chosing to leave her husband with their
children is not a case of "kidnapping". In 1855 women may have been
presumed to belong with their husbands and criminal charges might be brought
against those who assisted the women to leave, but after no-fault divorce,
women's shelters and domestic violence laws it is not a crime to assist a woman
to leave her husband.A wife and children sneeking off in the middle
of the night is not a kidnapping, or in and of itself a crime. It is a very
common occurance and usually relates to the husband being abusive. If the
attorney general investigated all such cases he would not only never do anything
else but be working against women fleeing abusive situations.As long
as the women was not forcibly removed from her husband but left of her own free
will, at 3am or 3pm it does not matter, the police have no case.
I wonder if some people even read the article before commenting. It says that
Jeffs phone use privaleges have been suspended because he violated the rules.Even the inprisoned have some rights. Banning them from writting
letters to the outside can only be done with just cause. Anyway, it would
neither help and would clearly be motivated by religious animus.I
disagree with Jeffs position and tactics as much as anyone else. However it is
the right of any religious leader to denounce as sinners anyone they chose. If
Jeffs was calling for the killing of others, that would be an actionable
statement. His calling another person a "traitor" is within his
right. Lastly people should remember that it was Shurtleff's
office's 2003 prosecution of an FLDS man for sexual relations with his underaged
"wife" that caused the FLDS leadership to leave Utah and abandon the
UEP in a way that allowed the state to take it over at least for a time.The investigation of alleged sexual trafficking of minor females should
be done on the federal level because it involves transport across state lines to
Texas, South Dakota and maybe other places.
I would reccomend that some people read about the Short Creek Raid. Arizona
went into what is now Colorado City, and hauled most of the men off to jail and
the children from their parents. In some ways the FLDS are as
reclusive and at odds with society in general as they are as a result of that
raid. I have at least read that the distinctive dress of the FLDS came about as
a result of occurances after that raid.Actually by taking over the
UEP the state was trying to change the economic situation in Hilldale and
Colorado City so that people would not be structurally stuck there. It is not
physical force but econmic circumstances and realities that keep people
there.However after doing nothing about the taking after about 4 or
more years the FLDS decided to fight back on the UEP, and a federal judge sided
with them, ignoring the fact that generally you have to at least show you are
actively administering a trust to stop state takeover when it is facing multiple
lawsuits. The AG has done much to change the situation, and
probably in the ways most likely to succeed.