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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Wow, is Carlino hot or what? Regardless how the game ends, this season is going to rock.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    BYU lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    Tough loss but what a game! Great effort by everyone against a #6 ranked team. Carlino is the real deal!

    BYU should have no problems against any team in the WCC.

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    Sad to see my Cougars lose one at home. They played really good ball, had some errors that is part of the game. Carlino is a real spark, Davies and Hartsock are beasts and played the part. Harrison brings a lot of energy into the game. Baylor is really good, they played their hearts out. Great game to watch.

    Go Cougars.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    When is Rose going to Coach the team?????????? They had a 12-point lead with 2 minutes remaining in the half and he sat on the bench and watched it dwindle down to a 4-point lead. So I quit watching.

    Then I turned it on again with 5 minutes remaining and the Cougars were down 9 at 79 - 70, only to come roaring back, but a costly turnover made a great huge difference. With just over 5 seconds remaining and down 3 points, did Rose call time out? NO!!!! He sat on teh bench and watched the final pitiful 3-point attempt get blocked. And BYU had TWO time-outs remaining!

    Rose got out-coached again, just like their loss to Florida in the NCAA Tournament last year. Rose should coach the game; the fans can watch it....

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    @Jenny83

    You DO realize Baylor is a favorite of many to go to the final four this year, right? This was a pretty good effort from BYU.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    Way to go Bears!

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    tsfy

    Are you for real?

    As a UTE fan, I saw two very good teams going toe to toe playing their hearts out.

    I saw two excellent HC's.

    Thank goodness you have nothing to do with who is the coach at BYU.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    Rose did not get out coached. He had a solid game plan and his players executed it well. Rose is part of the reason They were able to get leads in both the first and second half. BYU's front line did extremely well on the boards considering the size advantage Baylor had. BYU played a very good game against one of the top teams in the country. BYU has proven that they have depth, they can play with anyone in the country and that they are a very good basketball team. BYU is very fortunate to have a coach like Rose and will be lucky to have him long term if he is willing to stay here. Carlino is going to be very good, Davies played his best game of the year and Harrison showed some flashes of his potential.

    Toosmartforyou;

    Yes, we are. I am pretty sure most people are.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Great effort Cougars against the 6th ranked team in the Nation. Baylor proved how good they are when they can come into one of the toughest arenas the Marriott Center and squeak out a win. It is hard to knock Rose who was a hot commodity after our run to the sweet sixteen last year and instead signed an extension. This team played hard and is putting it together for a great run in the WCC. Great game from the best college basketball team in Utah.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    That Carlino was a heckuva pick-up.

    Rose is a great coach.

    BYU should do well in the WCC and finish with around 22-25 wins. That will make for a nice push for the NCAA tourney.
    =====
    Yet, to the DN poll "Will (not could) BYU beat Baylor", nearly 90% of respondants said yes. Further, Andy Katz called this his "upset" pick of the week and many of the regular Y posters were predicting a Cougar win. Gotta love the optimism for this program.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    Game plan had nothing to do with the loss to Florida last year. Having a guy who wouldn't run a game plan because he'd rather throw up brick after brick did. Dave Rose is the best thing BYU has going for them.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    I loved Carlino's energy. He'll be fantastic for us. Davies was a great presence inside. Unfortunately, there was no answer for Jones III. He was impressive to say the least. If BYU can hang with Baylor for 40 minutes, they should be able to make the NCAA tournament, and hopefully make some noise.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    I am impressed with Baylor. BYU is a tough place to play for sure. I have a question for Cougar fans. Does BYU every play anyone out of conference other than in-state teams on the road? Not a neutral-site game like they did against Northern Arizona or Oregon or the tournament games in Illinois.

    I tried to look up the schedule on the BYU site, but they don't have next year's posted. I would imagine that Baylor wanted a home and home. If not, I am impressed with the schedule maker at BYU--sets up the team for the best chance for success. Gongzaga and St. Mary's on the road may be tough, but it should be clear sailing the rest of the way.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    The Cougars came up short, but a great overall effort. The coaching had nothing to do with at least 5 unforced turnovers which in the end probably cost them the game.

    Davies may have had his best game in a BYU uniform.

    I think Coach Rose would have called a time out on that last possession if he could do it over - and put the ball in the hands of Carlino instead of Davies for the three pointer.

    Carlino was outstanding considering he came in off the bench and this was his first D1 game since high school. He is smooth and plays with a ton of confidence.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    Bummer what a tough loss, but a great game none the less. Ute fans will no doubt try to call the byu season a flop now based solely on ONE game. But there is a bright future ahead with Carlino. Not much you can do against a team that shot lights out from 3. byu will make a tournament appearance. Hopefully they can make some noise.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Wow, BYU might have lost the game...but I'd call them the big winners of the day considering how well Carlino fits into the program.
    I had them going to the tourney this year but losing game one. I might change that prediction to winning one, maybe two.
    However, I still see them having trouble come tourney time when play gets a little more physical and whistles get a little looser. They just don't have a great inside game which could ultimately prevent them from accomplishing much more than just a nice season.
    Good game today Cougars, nothing to hang your head about. Baylor looked really tough.
    Go Utes.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    @toosmart4u, BYU's best chance at getting an open 3 was to not call a time out, Rose is a great coach.

    If Baylor isn't the best team in the nation I would be surprised. Are you kidding me 5 athletic big guys all with 7' or better wingspans and they can all shoot + three point shooters that can kill you.

    BYU just showed they can play with anyone. Great game by Harrison coming off the bench, this team is only going to get better.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    What a fun game, BYU just didn't make the plays down the stretch. Some nice offensive rebounding, a few makes, but just 1-2 shots/turnovers short. Coach Rose has this team reloading quickly after losing some great players last year, I'm excited for the season and the future.

    Pity this wasn't a conference game!

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Jones III may be the best player in the country.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Motorbike-"They just don't have a great inside game which could ultimately prevent them from accomplishing much more than just a nice season"

    what game did you watch today? You watching with red colored glasses on again? BYU outscored one of the most talented front lines in all of college basketball with 2 players that are projected top 10 in next years NBA draft. BYU outscored Baylor 41 to 24 in the paint and BYU had 44 rebounds to 31 rebounds for Baylor. BYU more than held their own against Baylor in the paint, in fact they played better than Baylor in the paint today.

    The problem today for BYU was turnovers and Baylor shot 13-25 from the 3 point line. There are not too many teams that come into the Mariott Center and sooot 13-25 from the 3 point line. That's what won the game for Baylor. BYU really looking at how hard they played and when you usually have more points in the paint and outrebound a team-you should win the game. It's just too bad that Baylor made 13 threes.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    @Jenny83, How is the Utes basketball team doing?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    shaybo

    They are poised to make a deep run in the tourney! They just beat Idaho State!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    chubbuckidahocougfan | 3:28

    I understand why you replied to my comment the way you did because I wasn't very clear.
    I never said I was basing my prediction on rebounds and points in the paint, let alone from TODAYS game. BYU did well in that regard TODAY. However, I haven't seen Davies do what he did today on a consistent enough basis to have any real faith in him. And Hartsock has little to no back to the basket game.
    One more thing, just because you have X many points in the paint doesn't mean you have a tourney-made post presence. A lot of those points can be from guards driving to the bucket. That's a great thing but gets shut down by a strong guard defense regularly seen in the NCAA tourney.
    As for you saying I'm looking through red glasses, take another look at my previous comment, I gave a glowing outlook for your Cougs, probably more glowing than it will turn out.
    Just offering honest, unbiased feedback. I'd offer my resume for some credibility, but it's written in red ink anyway - guessing that would discredit the whole thing for you.

  • Eric P Boise, ID
    Dec. 17, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    Great game! It will be exciting to see the Carlino era evolve. Before the game, I figured that if Carlino could bring a strong outside game then there would be less pressure on Davies, allowing him to get to the basket more; but Davies was having a great game even before Carlino got hot. As others have already pointed out, what lost the game were the open shots from beyond the arc for Baylor. But, with Rogers in the game, BYU's offense would have probably had the edge to counter the strong perimeter Baylor offense.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    I will always be first and foremost a Ute fan but that was an exciting game- great effort by BYU against a quality opponent.

  • RonBergundy SANDY, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Two things. Shoulda called a time out. And #2 is that carlino yes is good nut the team had little chemistry offensively on the 2nd half because of adding carlino to the mix. It turned into him taking it or just feeding it to the post. Zylstra abuo jarrison looked like theu were just waiting for him to do something. Evidence? 18 point swing from first half to 2nd half. That said once they figure out new chemistry theyll be better. And why let perry go one on one in the post 4 straight plays in 2nd? Thats a mistake

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    Baylor won the game because of how well they shot the 3, turnovers hurt too but shooting as well as Baylor did was the key to Baylors victory. BYU played very well, and 90% of the time they would win if they play the same way. If BYU were to play Baylor again and play as well as they did today, I'd bet they would win. Baylors shooting percentage from 3 was outstanding and the reason they won. Good game boys, keep it up and you'll be real tough to beat in future games.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    @ TJ and shaybo

    I was a high school basketball official. I've watched college games and tournaments for over 40 years. I have personally officiated high school, junior high, college intramurals, church ball---literally thousands of games.

    I MAINTAIN that if a coach loses a game and has unused time outs, he didn't do his best; the team may have, but the coach didn't.

    I ALSO MAINTAIN that the last three minutes of the first half are critical in a college game and for BYU to let a 12-point lead drop to a 4-point lead shows "no" coaching at all. Also, you don't bench your hot shooter like Mr. Rose did last year when suddenly Jackson Emery was lighting up 3's against Florida but was benched after getting his 2nd personal foul. The the steam went out of BYU's offense and Emery didn't foul out---he was subbed way too early. BYU lost that game, too.

    I've seen these phenomenon at work from Stan Watts through Dave Rose. I've seen it from Frank Layden through Jerry Sloan. A coach that won't call time out is limiting his options; Baylor called time out twice today real close together. They won.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 17, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    If Davies and Carlino continue to play like they did today, this could be our last loss until March.

    Davies played like I expected to see him play all year. If he can find a way to consistently perform like this, there is NBA potential there.

    And I have never seem a Freshman, in his first game, against a tough opponent take control of the game like Carlino did today. He is the real deal.

    Every position is now solid, except for shooting guard. Zylstra did a nice job on the boards, but we need a shooting guard who can put up some points and hit 3's and spread the floor. Harrison played well in the first half, but struggled in the second half.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 17, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    Few observations:

    1. Baylor got the ball after it bounced off their player. May have cost the cougs the game.

    2. Northern Arizona beat Arizona State. Either Arizona State stinks or Northern Arizona wasn't to bad.

    3. Wonder if Rogers would have made a difference?

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    We lost, but is basketball a great sport or what? The atmosphere, the competitive effort of both teams, some great plays by both sides, some lousy calls by refs, what fun. And both teams played with class. You didn't see any trash talk, cheap shots or parading around. To me that was basketball at its best today. MORE PLEASE!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    worf, that missed call didn't end up affecting the game at all. Baylor missed a shot attempt right after inbounding the ball, and BYU rebounded, so it ended up having no effect. BYU played a good game, but lost because Baylor played better down the stretch, not because of a missed turnover call that happened with a few minutes left.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 17, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    You guys..... Can you please accept the reality that Utah could do the improbable and win 21 straight? They are one game on track to do just that.... I don't know if this post made it yesterday or not... The moderators drank too much coffee and stuffed several of my attempts. anyhow.... Idaho State is rather pathetic but it only takes ONE game to turn a season around... I wouldn't be too surprised if the reason for eight straight futile games in a row had to do a lot with lost heart and huge self doubt.... A win is a win is a win..... Beat Portland... Have 2 in a row before Weber State... Go to Ogden and pull the season performance based upset.... Then wallah.... Posed and ready to rip off 18 straight in the whacky 12.... Season ending record 22-8! Can't go wrong with that... That, with the whacky 12 season champion title would propel them into the tourney. If there are any guaranteed losses don't even bother lacing up your sneakers..... That is the reason why games are played is to witness the unthinkable if it can happen on a game by game basis.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    Great game Cougs. It was really fun being there live. Too bad we didn't have Rogers and Collinsworth. They could have been the little extra that we needed to get the win. Let's hope they both make it back on the court sooner than later. With them, BYU will have a very good year. Carlino is going to be a special player - Jimmer II?

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 17, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    How many arenas will have huge banners congratulating Baylor's RG the Third for winning the Heisman? I give huge hats off to the cougar fans that showed a cut of class above most the nation! I went all warm fuzzy when I saw that... Too bad there wasn't a CBS nationwide audience watching it, for it would have spoken well for BYU as an institution and community and the fans in general and Utah as a whole... Very classy BYU Fan's... Thank you for taking the time, spending the expense and holding it proud.... Congratulations to you for being great people!

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Dec. 17, 2011 10:19 p.m.

    The thing that hurts the most about today's loss is the fact that it won't be until earned in the tournament in March that BYU will find itself ranked.... This was the one chance the Cougars had to get ranked before making a serious run in the dance..... With the loss to USU and now two ranked opponents there is about a slim to none chance that pollsters will perhaps even welcome them into 'others receiving votes'. Ah well... Rankings mean nothing! It is what you do on the floor when it counts that matters most... Win the WCC, win the WCC tourney and then make noise in March!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 10:53 p.m.

    Its too bad BYU didnt find a way to pull this one out but they proved they can play with a top 10 team. I feel really good about the rest of the season going forward. There is going to be some good battles between BYU and Gonzaga but BYU should do really well in the WCC. This team looks better then I thought it would this year and Carlino is a good looking player for a freshman

    GO Cougars!

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 11:28 p.m.

    3 point loss that is anyone's game.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 17, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    tsfy 7:38pm

    I hate to break this to you, but there is more to being a great coach than just using all your time-outs. Although I agree that Rose probably should have called a time-out at the end there, I would strongly disagree in your general assessment of Coach Rose. Why the chip on your shoulder about Rose? Unconscious 3-point shooting by Baylor and critical errors by BYU players lost this game. The coach had a terrific game plan and got his kids to essentially out perform a vastly superior (player for player) team for the most part of the game.

    No, I would have to disagree with you on your coaching assessment. Yes, Rose occasionally makes some mistakes, but he is the best coach BYU has seen (in any sport) for quite a while. We're lucky to have him!

  • SCCougar LEXINGTON, SC
    Dec. 17, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    I think the Cougs did great and are getting better with each game. Get Rogers and Collinsworth back and this is a really deep team with tremendous upside. I don't think anyone has mentioned it but Carlino was open at the end of the game and was next to Davies. If Davies makes a pass the game probably would've been going into OT.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 12:11 a.m.

    @ idablu

    Momentum is the great game changer. One way to break an opponent's momentum that is running away or coming back is to call a time out. How many times have you witnessed Watts, Rose, Cleveland, Reid, or other BBall coaches just sit on the bench and watch the other team continue to build momentum? How many times have you witnessed BYU get behind by a dozen in the first half, in the last 2 of 3 minutes of the half, and have them lose by two points and have the coach say "Well, we almost came back. We gave them a game but fell just short." I've seen it plenty of times.

    I agree Rose is a good coach, probably the best we've had at the Y, but he did take out Emery too soon against Florida in the tournament and he did let a 12-point lead dwindle to 4 just prior to the half today. Have you taken any coaching classes where the point is made the last 3 minutes of the half and 1st 3 minutes of the second half are critical? Every major college coach will agree.

    Today Mr. Rose just sat there.....true story.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 12:20 a.m.

    @ idablu

    If you saw today's game you will also have to admit that Baylor almost scored again just before the half and luckily the ball was fumbled as time ran out, so the 12-point lead that evaporated into a 4-point lead could easily have been just a two point lead. BYU had the momentum and lost it. When Baylor scored 5 straight points (or 6) Dave Rose should have used a time out to regroup and maybe we'd have been ahead by 10 at the half instead of 4.

    Why do you think a team gets 5 time outs? And if a game is close and a coach doesn't use his time outs, has he really done everything he should? What in the world is he saving them for, for heaven's sake, if it isn't to use them to his advantage? Even if he just breaks the opponent's rhythm and tells his players a joke to relax them a bit it can be a momentum changer.

    Remember, this perspective is coming from having officiated hundreds of games over the years, not just trying to second-guess a situation. That's my experience and I stand by it.

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 12:53 a.m.

    How could anyone not be talking about those referees? They have to be Big 12 refs, I have not looked it up, but their bias was obvious. Those referee with some of the most outrageous calls and no calls were the main cause of both Baylor runs/BYU droughts where Baylor came back from 2 separate large deficits.

    I am talking obvious calls where nobody was around the Baylor player on fouls, a Baylor player dribbling it off his foot in an obvious play and getting the ball back and BYU players being thrown to the floor on shots and getting no call. They tried to make up for in the the last few minutes by calling it more fair probably because Baylor was already up 9 and they feared for their safety (after the game) if they would have kept it up, but they had already had at least a 15 point direct affect on the game by that point and that is all Baylor needed. Shameful!

    I have not seen such obvious intentionally bad/biased calls in almost 15 years!!! Yes, I was at the game and all 22,700 fans agreed on this reffing atrocity!

  • cougarNV Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 18, 2011 1:27 a.m.

    Well, If Rogers had been there I think he would have made the difference of at least four points.

    We really missed him tonight. But good game Cougs!!!!!

  • SouthBendCoug Granger, IN
    Dec. 18, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    This was the first game that I could watch since Wisconsin. The progress that the Coug's have made was phenomenal. Way to go Team! The nature of any close game is always the "what if?" In my mind the key to the difference between the two teams was depth. Did anyone notice how Baylor would sub all 5 players at a single TO? When BYU gets that kind of depth on its roster, then they'll be able to compete on the national level (and it looks like they are heading in that direction).

    I love Steve Cleveland giving commentary on BYU TV.

    Best poster in the crowd (a la jn 3:16)- "Alma 18:27"
    Go Cougs!

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Dec. 18, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    I may be a die hard Utah fan but that was a well played game by the Y.
    Nice showing.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Well, BYU lost, but only by 3 points. Santa won't put coal in their Christmas stockings, but he will leave oranges and sweaters.

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Jones is the real deal.

    Carlino is the real deal.

    Jones is a grear actor. ( stopped BYU's momentum, give Baylor's team a good three minute rest!)

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    @tsfy

    Do you really expect us to believe that a guy who "was a high school basketball official... and has watched college games and tournaments for over 40 years..." is more qualified to manage a game against the 6th-ranked team in the country, than a coach who was a team captain for Phi-Slamma-Jamma and has a 78% winning record as a D1 head coach???

    Get over yourself.

    Dave Rose is one of the finest coaches in the country and I trust his judgement far more than an arm-chair pretender who only thinks he knows more than Coach Rose.

  • BYU still rules Nephi, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    BYU lose? Great. Um....Utah win. Sun go down. Teams play more games. Me watch. Me comment later.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    I guess byu got Jimmied!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 18, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    Great game but a loss at home to a top tier team. Looks like we'll be waiting another 30 years for a Sweet 16 appearance.

    Call me in 2041...

  • abang3 American Fork, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Jake 2010:

    ESPN did end up showing the banner from the fans congratulating RG3- and talked about BYU's class. So, although the game wan't watched by a CBS audience, I'm sure many people - who otherwise would have never heard about it - saw it on ESPN. That's a partner worth having! Also, at least 3 Baylor Players, and their Head Coach, all commented on the great atmosphere of the MC and the great fans there.

    Way to go Cougs - most posters on this article have nailed it. Tough, tough loss - but we have a great team and good reason to be optimistic! Also, the BYU players continued to comment afterwards that they came to win this game and didn't, so this shows me they are still focused on winning and won't be satisfied with just "good" efforts against top teams. These wins will come and March will be as exciting as ever!

  • 8plex Alpine, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    Rose, who is an exceptional coach, made a huge blunder in the second half: he left Davies in instead of putting Austin in for a few minutes to stop Baylor's big man. Davies got hit with a ridiculous foul that caused him to back away in the paint and to let Baylor make shot after shot. Austin had played excellent in the first half and he should have been able to come in and help shut down the Baylor offense. The argument for needing Davies in for offense left the Coug's 1 for 3 in the paint and Baylor 4 for 4 in the paint, not a great exchange.

    Overall a great game. Taking Davies out to let someone play tough defense would have turned the game the Coug's way. Just my opinion but watch the tape and you will see that it is true.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    Terry -

    You wrote;
    "I have not seen such obvious intentionally bad/biased calls in almost 15 years!!! Yes, I was at the game and all 22,700 fans agreed on this reffing atrocity!"
    ______________

    I have to say, your comment does not surprise me in the slightest, especially the part where 22,700 fans agreed with you.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    Wow, just read through all of these comments and I'm surprised no one has blamed the loss on the one part of the game the completely in the team's control--they lost it at the charity stripe. Harrison has got to learn to deliver when given the chance. He makes even one more of his FTs and the game looks different ( e.g., Rose takes the TO, positions his guys to get the two point shot instead of trying for three). Two years ago, the Cougs were one of the best FT shooting teams in the nation. Amazing how they make a difference (Davies is getting better, though).

    Either way, it was an incredible game to witness. Great atmosphere, great basketball all around.

  • stampederus Ephraim, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    This was a game that could have gone either way, unfortunately it went Baylor's way Looking forward to more great Cougar efforts this season.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    @ riddles in the dark

    I never said Coach Rose wasn't a good coach, in fact I said he was propbably the best coach BYU has ever hired. (Or did you miss that?)

    I never said I was a "pretender coach" but simply gave my observations. Like it or not those who have experienced thousands of games can have valid personal opinions.

    Now the facts:

    BYU lost momentum in the last part of the 1st half and did not call time out. Baylor called time out twice, very close together, when it looked like BYU was going to run away with the game. BYU had two UNUSED time outs at the end of the game. BYU lost; Baylor won.

    In my opnion, a well-placed time out (or even two) probably would have made a difference in the outcome of the game; BYU didn't have to lose;, they did and Coach Rose was at the helm. That's all I'm saying. If that's too harsh for you, well, sorry. The players on the team gave it everything they had. I hate to see a 19-game home winning streak end when it should be otherwise, warm fuzzies and moral victories notwithstanding.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    toosmartforyou

    BYU lost the game because of unforced errors -- throwing the ball out of bounds, getting a pocket picked and then fouling on the easy layup, missed foul shots, and several other errors -- that were more the result of youth and inexperience than anything to do with coaching.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Nice to see Dennis give some props to BYU. I remember all the posts from Dennis on how "dismal" BYU's program was and that UTAH is dismal and that Northern Arizona was Dismal. You were making fun of their light schedule because the Cougs hammered NAU by 35. Well, look on the bright side you have 2 games against a team that NAU beat, ASU. Yep, ASU lost to the Lumberjacks. Yet another nice showing by the Pac 12, you know the 4th best conference in California that will have only 1 NCAA tourney team.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Phil Jackson was famous for not calling time outs when opposing teams made runs...commentators noted he liked to let his players work things out. That said I suspect if Dick Vitale was calling the game he may have been screaming "you need a TO baby" into the mike sometime late in the first half.