Bad economy is taking toll on custodial parents
This problem as a simple solution. Run a check against due child support payment
database before you sell somebody alcohol, tobacco, video games, and a few other
not so necessary things that some men do not think they can live without. If the
name shows up, deny the sale.
Re: Sasha Pachev | 5:06 p.m. Dec. 11, 2011 "not so necessary things
that some men do not think they can live without"What about
about deadbeat women who owe money to the custodial fathers? Your
suggestion is both impractical ..... and illegal. Best solution is for women to
be far more selective in the men they chose to have children with.
Right, because the only problem with the system is the men. Women are not to
blame for any problems with the child support system. That is such a BS answer.
I set up the account with ORS and my child support gets garnished out of my
check every payday. I am never behind. You want to know how often my kids get
new clothes? When I or my ex-MIL buy the clothes for them. wanna know who
feeds the kids? The state with free lunches and food stamps, and the bishops
store house. Where does the 1500 a month go? Good question, not to the
utilities, or they would not be shut off all the time. Are there bad men not
paying support payments? Yes, but there are bad mothers not using the funds
correctly either. The whole system needs to be overhauled to fix it. Payer
needs to pay what is needed and receiving parent needs to be help responsible
for where the money goes, including children taken away for neglect.
And as long as employers who do credit checks on potential employees if you owe
child support they see it as a black mark and many employers will not hire
thinking that the person is a deadbeat parent and someone who doesn't know how
to manage their money. Yes look at the way the economy is going right now - not
many jobs out there and no matter how well qualified a person is for a job if
they owe child support there is a good chance that they will not get hired.
There are many employers who don't want to be bothered with garnishing an
To Tecknonerd - you're right there should be someone watching where the child
support money goes that the ex is getting for the kids. My brother was buying
diapers, food and clothes for his kids and the ex was saying that she didn't get
any kind of support for them. He started keeping all the recepts and showed them
to the child support office every month. He started paying the state the money
rather than giving it to her - she couldn't lie any more about not getting
monies from him.
I read all about this and it makes me sad on how this whole thing is about Child
Support. When I was a single mom my ex was really good about paying me but when
I remarried he totally stop paying me any. He was self employed so I could not
go in and have his wages garnished. I did the best that I could and he paid me
when he felt like it. Now my husband who I am married to now ex was a pain in
the butt and they were always fighting it was hard on the Children. She would
not let my husband have his fair share of visitation but because there is not a
place that one can go to stop her from doing that my husband lost out a lot in
having his children for his turn to have them. We did not have extra money to
take her back to court. Now they are grown up so we see them often. I just
wished that they would make some kind of punishment to the ex spouse if they
with hold the children and use them to get back to the other parent.
One commenter made note that the child support system needs an overhaul and I
totally agree with it. Children are pawns in blackmail and misappropriation and
spending of funds called child support. I know of women who would squander child
support on their cohabiting boy friends to supply beer, booze, and drugs for
parties using child support funds. We need to classify dead-beat moms or
custodial parents too that do not use child support for the children.Collection of child support by the state should not allow them to rob the
fathers and children of 10-25% of child support funds to pay the department of
child welfare for operating and labor capital for its workers and legal
processes. Some think that this department taking their share of money from
children motivates the department to keep the process of garnishing dads
earnings their priorities.I don't know about most jobs or laws, but
it seems rather criminal to motivate a government agency by promising them a
share of the contraband or confiscated loot intended for the care and welfare of
children. That's like telling the tax collectors their pay is commensurate with
how much they collect in taxes.
If people with children want to divorce, the courts need to set up a trust.
However much child support you will pay upon divorce, needs to be put in trust
account, with a responsible adult as the trustor. Have three kids under 10 at
say $300 each a month? Save up $900.00 dollars a month ($10,800 annul)times at
least 8 years, $86,400 and have it put into a trust with strict withdrawl
requirements, ie: reimbursement for living expenses, (you must show validated
receipts). Then you would see divorce rates plummet. It is too easy to get and
way too hard on the kids. It would work for abuse cases also, the abuser gives
up everything they own, sell it and put it in the trust.
Why is it impractical or illegal to run an automated background check before
selling somebody alcohol or tobacco? It is definitely practical - we have the
technology. The argument that the buyers of these substances make is that they
can use them responsibly. Let's keep them honest and call their bluff. I see
nothing illegal or immoral in that. The problem with that, however, is
that it will put too many businesses that profit from such sales out of
business. So this will never fly. And the argument will be something along the
lines of "this is against the Constitution because it infringes on personal
liberties", of course. If we were that concerned about personal liberties,
we would not tolerate things like the government dictating to us how fast we can
drive, for example. But we have different concerns. Some are interested in
feeding their addictions, while others want to profit from them. This creates
enough critical mass for most of the rest to go with the flow. Thus we get what
we deserve - wide-spread poverty.
Give each parent 50% of the time with their children. This needs to become the
norm with few exceptions. If one of the parents doesn't want 50% of the time or
doesn't spend 50% of the time, then give that parent's job to another parent who
does. A parent who does not want to spend time with his/her children is of no
value to the community or to his or her family ... let them live on the streets
as far as I'm concerned.
RE: CLARKKENT 918I agree. Joint custody should be the norm, not
exception, unfortunately the court system has a built in incentive for a woman
to not agree to joint custody; she gets more money.All a woman has to do
if she wants more money, is say she will not work with the man in joint
custodyThe court then gives her custody most of the time and orders the
father to pay child support.The state even has an agency set up to do
nothing but collect the child support.There is not a similar state agency
that ensures that the visitations orders are carried out.It is in a Childs
best interest for there to be joint custody. Why the courts do not push for
what is better for the child makes no sense.There should not be an
economic incentive to seek sole custody.Failure to pay child support is
better categorized as dead beat mom, they are more likely then fathers to not
pay child support.
Re: ClarkKent | 9:18 a.m. Dec. 12, 2011 "Give each parent 50% of the
time with their children."Translation: Bounce children around
constantly from one home, school, church and set of friends to another home,
school, church and set of friends. What could possibly be wrong with an
arrangement like that?
Rifleman | 12:00 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011 "Translation: Bounce children
around constantly from one home, school, church and set of friends to another
home, school, church and set of friends. What could possibly be wrong with an
arrangement like that?"There have been many studies of children
in joint custody households .. perhaps before you jump to the negative
conclusion you have made you should educate yourself about this issue.
@technonerd7: If the situation with your kids is really that bad, sue for
DeltaFoxtrot | 12:22 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011 yeah, that a great Idea, pay
10 to 20 thousand dollars to hire an attorney, pay for a home study.Then
go into court and have nothing happen.Anyone who wants equality with the
sexes, needs to start with divorce court.In divorce court, men are
punished, for the marriage not working out, regardless who is really to
blame.And then people wonder why young men do not want to get married.maybe it should be considered, that they have seen how their father was
treated, and figure they want no part of it.
Re: ClarkKent | 12:10 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011 "There have been many
studies of children in joint custody households"Parents who
have worked out some formula for joint custody of their children can lie to
themselves all they want but the fact of the matter is that children need
stability in order to reach their potential. It is unfortunate that selfish
adults put their own personal wants and agendas ahead of their children's. I
feel sorry for children who don't live in homes with both of their happily
married bio-moms and dads.
Will all of the actual adults in the room please raise their hand? Personal responsibility and a nurturing attitude toward our kids has been
lost. I've seen parents that milk the gov system for all its worth, squander
child support and go have another kid to get more. The ones who suffer are the
children. Shameful that our society allows deadbeats to abuse and neglect
children like that. What most of these deadbeats(moms and dads) really need is
some corporal punishment, but it's too late for that to do any good.
Those individuals who do not pay child support should not be able to purchase
afishing or hunting license in the state. I know Colorado does this and
we might want to follow their example. It seems to be a solution to dead beats.
Sad. Just another example of the devastation from divorce. Selfishness. I'm
still wondering if my father feels any guilt for abandoning me when I was ten
and not paying child support, therefore sending us into poverty. Luckily, I had
a great Mom who worked hard and married another great Man who eventually adopted
me. Children should be the ones who matter. Hatred and revengefulness cause many
of the problems mentioned. Last Days.
It's all Bush's fault!! Somehow he personally oversees the bad hand given to
people all around the world. At least that is what obama would like you to
To Clarissa: Your father can still be sued for back child support regardless of
how old you are. It will stay on his credit report for life and can keep him
from buying a house or new car. I have an uncle who was sued for back child
support and his exwife won even though the kids were adults when it happened.