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  • 1984! SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Has BYU lost this PR battle with the Big East or what? I have rarely if ever seen BYU lose a PR battle in my life but this is bad...

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    If BYU has to take a big step backwards to go to the Big East, I think it is wise of them to stay independent. I can see giving up money but they won't give up the nationally televised games and the exposure they bring. That would defeat their #1 goal which was achieved when the signed with ESPN.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    That article about Utah State Univ. is disturbing. Real classy Aggie fans....and the funny thing is most of them are LDS and live the rules regarding morality that BYU has because they are LDS principles and laws yet they still come and "heckle" a player for making a poor choice. That's bottom of the barrel for Aggie fans. It's fine if you dislike BYU as institution and do not like their sports programs but that takes it to a new level. I commend the USU president for seeing a concern and apologozing on behalf of the school

    7 to 8 years ago, I went to the Spectrum (first time ever) and BYU came back down from 20 points in the second half and almost won if it wasn't for Spencer Nelson with an acrobatic shot that propelled the Aggies to victory in the closing seconds. it was a great game...but the problem I had was with the Aggie fans that routinely flipped me off during the game for clapping and cheering when BYU was making their comeback. They told me I was not welcome back in the spectrum and that I was not allowed to cheer. Classless!

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    On this Thanksgiving holiday, I am sooooo thankful for Dr. Chris Hill!

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    "Utah State's president and athletic director has apologized to BYU for "inappropriate" fan behavior at the Cougar-Aggie basketball game in Logan earlier this month."

    Hmmmm.....anyone want to bet that the utah and usu trolls will gloss this over and just continue to talk about the BYU scoreboard incident?

    Didn't think so.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    "Hmmmm.....anyone want to bet that the utah and usu trolls will gloss this over and just continue to talk about the BYU scoreboard incident?"

    Which scoreboard in incident are you talking about?

  • Mr. Obvious Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    What in the World is BYU thinking?

    First the Big 12

    And now the BIG East

    Forget your ESPN exposure, start working on your PR exposure!

    With the arrogance and unreasonable negotiations the Y has bigger problems now to face.

    Nobody will want to invite or schedule the Y.

    Y ou Blew It!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    The only Utah/BYU scoreboard incident I can recall was when it read 54-10 following this year's game. If you want to keep talking about that incident I'm happy to oblige.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    @mr. obvious

    It is hard to "blow" something you didn't want all that much to begin with. Obviously BYU was only willing to accept the Big East's invite on its terms. Short of that it wasn't a very attractive offer.

    My guess is that we aren't getting the entire story here anyway. The Big east is obviously bitter about it and that shows you just how much they really did want BYU. They want boise for its bcs ranking, and actually BYU's bcs ranking to a lesser extent, but they really wanted BYU for what it would bring to the tv deal. When they couldn't get BYU to agree to give them their tv rights they threw a fit. I don't blame them either because BYU would have been their main TV attraction and the most valuable school they had in those negotiations. Not ebing able to use the rights to BYU's home games in the tv negotiations severely hurts the value of that potential contract. So now they are bitter and trying to blame it all on BYU. bsicly they wanted BYU to add value to them while they sucked value from BYU.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    @cowardly robin

    Google scoreboard incident BYU USU. utah had nothing to do with it other than utah "fans" bringing it up all the time on these boards for the last year.

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    @DaffyDuckGuy

    I Googled "scoreboard incident BYU USU" and it shows a Basketball score board with the words "Dear Utah State, Enjoy the loss, Your Big Brother BYU" is that the one?

    That is disgusting!

    Utah would never do something like that!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    I think BYU just outsmarted itself. They have burned a lot of bridges in the last 72 hours and not just with the Big East.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Unfortunately, I am not at all surprised at the behavior of the Utah State fans. I was truly shocked the last time I attended a game in Logan. Their behavior was kindergarten level and really disgusting.

    As for Bleed Red: I attended both BYU and Utah. I have attended a lot of games. I have NEVER seen any BYU fan behave in a way that I have seen many Utah fans behave. Nasty, hateful and religiously bigoted. I went to both schools and I know whereof I speak. The scoreboard incident you refer to was unacceptable and done by ONE individual. It was immediately taken down and apologized for by the BYU Administration.

    I applaud the Utah State Administration for taking action. I hope it helps.

  • provonative BAKERSFIELD, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    if BYU really had a chance to go to the BIG 12 and passed then someone needs to lose their job. Horrible move. BYU should have been begging to get in just like West Virginia and TCU did.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    From Utah State President Stan Albrecht to BYU President Cecil Samuelson:

    "Some fans chose to conduct themselves in ways that went far beyond mere school rivalry, fair play and - most importantly - basic human decency," the letter read. "It is inappropriate for us to invite a guest to come into our home and then have to suffer the language and personal insults tossed at him. We have visited personally with both President (Cecil) Samuelson and Athletic Director Tom Holmoe and apologized on behalf of the USU community."

    To equate "scoreboard incident" (which lasted only a few seconds while fans were leaving the Marriott Center) to the way Utah State students behaved for over two hours before, during and after the game, is like trying to equate a 3-second call to a flagrant foul.

    Many BYU fans discussed the crude behavior they expected to see at Utah State. Some Aggies fans responded that the Aggie student section was the best in the country and would never do anything crude or vulgar.

    Having attended many games in the Spectrum, I knew better.

    All of those good LDS kids at USU must be thoroughly ashamed at how their school was represented.

  • SammFan Sammamish, WA
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    Keep up the good work, Tom H! I trust you 100% that this was the right move. As an Alum who was deprived for years by the Mountain West's TV contract, I'm ecstatic about the current deal. Anything less is unnecessary. To those who might think "stability" comes from being in a Conference, I say "Huh?!" Their overwhelming lack of stability is why they want BYU. Their inability to provide a hedge for BYU against that being foisted on BYU and/or general bad decision making by a new Conference (e.g. Craig Thompson)is reason enough not to jump. Control of home games is a clincher. Thanks again to Tom and the Admin that backed him up on this!

    PS - I think BYU would have jumped had Notre Dame been willing to join for FB and both had gotten to keep most or all of their respective TV deals.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    Bleedred:

    "Utah would never do something like that!"

    So what you're saying is you don't follow Devonte Christopher on twitter.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    BYU has not said one word. They Profesionally negotiate in private and they keep confidences.
    BYU has not burned any bridges at all.

    BYU held all the cards. Seriously, why would BYU give up what it already has? BYU is not demanding anything, they merely want to keep their current contracts. Don't contracts mean anything anymore?

    The Big East is the one which is making demands on BYU. They are trying to take away and diminish what BYU already has. Does that make any sense?

    If the Big East was solid and the whole AQ to Conferences was going to be maintained, then there might be a reason to join.

    All that changed last week when the BCS brass indicated the AQ's may be gone in 2013.

    All BYU needs to do is improve their November and late Oct schedules and all is good.

    Many of you who think you have a "Right" to know what is going on are just naive.

    The catty remarks from those who have no inside information just demonstrates how ignorant you are to business negotiating. Some former BYU players/radio hosts act as if they are entitled to all the information.

    They are Not!

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    I hate seeing children at live sporting events these days. Pro or college, it doesn't matter. Players with foul mouths and classless fans are only creating an even more crude and classless younger generation of moral pygmies.

  • Colo. Aggie Loveland, CO
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    I think that BYU just made an enormous mistake. It seemed like a "No-Brainer" to join the Big East for football only. It would give them an upgraded schedule during November and provide an opportunity to play for a championship and even a BCS bowl after they lose their first game. I don't understand BYU insisting on even more TV rights than Texas gets in the Big 12 It seems like they just passed up a great opportunity to get more exposure than they will ever get as an independent. Time will tell who is right here. Either the BYU administration will be viewed as geniuses a few years from now, or fans will be calling for their heads! But, this much is certain, BYU has really burned some bridges over the past few days! Don't expect another major conference to come knocking anytime soon!!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    Well, we Aggies have arrived! We are on the same level of 'classlessness' as Utah (according to some BYU fans.) And, for the first time, I saw the term 'USU troll' on here. Amazing. Everyone just chill out. Each fan base has its idiots. That has always been the case. Just don't join in.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    Wow, over 400 comments about BYU and the Big East in the last two days, close to half of them from BYU-obsessed Utah fans who still like to pretend that BYU is irrelevant.

    Meanwhile, ZERO comments about Utah's new "rival", the Buffalos, who will be "invading" RES in just a couple of days... oh wait, there's not even an article about the intense new rivalry, just a lame marketing attempt to capitalize on something that doesn't exist.

    ----

    Despite the intense scrutiny, BYU made the correct decision not to forfeit their home television rights to a conference that couldn't improve on what BYU already had.

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    @riddlemethis

    "So what you're saying is you don't follow Devonte Christopher on twitter."

    No

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    San Diego St. will get AQ status before BYU.

    The Big 12 and the Big East took a long look at BYU with all its peculiarities and the each said... huh... no thanks BYU, you're just not worth it.

  • U4Me Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    @Riddles in the Darkside

    "Meanwhile, ZERO comments about Utah's new "rival", the Buffalos, who will be "invading" RES in just a couple of days... oh wait, there's not even an article about the intense new rivalry, just a lame marketing attempt to capitalize on something that doesn't exist."

    Your right, not much to hype about, to be honest were still trying to find a worthy rivalry opponent, the last one we had, the Utes went down to their house, thumped them a good one 54-10 and watched their team quit in the forth qt.

    I bet the Buffalos keep it within 44 points.

    Keep trying Riddler

    Good Luck Band of Sister

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Less money, equal or less TV exposure, and a good chance of no BCS access in 2013.

    How exactly is BYU missing out? It seems like just yesterday Utah "fans" were referring to this Conference as the "Big Least" and saying what a mistake it would be if BYU joined it. ... Wait, that WAS just yesterday!!!!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    My guess is that BYU will be playing for a (another) National Championship before utah. utah will be a bottom feeder in the AQ conference of champions for years to come. But their chests will always be sore from self inflicted pounding.

    I am happy BYU didn't jump, like a lap dog, into an imploding Big East. I doubt the addition of San Diego State will tip the scales toward AQ status for the Big East.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    So in Jay Drews blog over in the Tribune he provides a link to a poll taken by ESPN Soprts Nation. The poll asks who needs who more, BYU or the big east. You can see the overall results 56% say the big east needs BYU, 18% say BYU needs the big east and 26% say both are fine on their own. You can then click on each individual state to see the results for each of them. Interestingly every single state beleives it was the Big East that needed BYU far more than BYU needed the Big East and it isn't even close for any of them.

    But of course overwhelmingly the ute "fans" on here tell us BYU was the one that lost out and they are joined by a small, very small, minority or BYU fans. Obviously almost no one else anywhere in the country agrees.

    So much for BYU losing the public relations fight over this. Overwhelmingly people in every single state in the entire country believe BYU had the right position in this.

    But of course utah "fans" are not exactly good sources for anything about BYU.

    LOL!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    @Howard S

    Do you actually read the articles, or just the headlines? BYU cut the talks off. BYU, when it comes to the Big East, was in the driver's seat. THEY knocked on BYU's door. BYU didn't like what they were selling.

    I know some people would like to believe that BYU's program is doomed. Not going to happen. BYU has been able to attract BIG names for several years. Even when they were in the WAC, BYU was able to bring teams out to Provo. The Big 12 would have been cool. The Big East is a joke. Independence is better than the Big East.

  • 61Cougar Seattle, Wa
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    Howard S. - "San Diego St. will get AQ status before BYU."

    Probably true, but so what? AQ status is not BYU's current priority. And, will AQ status put SDSU in a BCS game any time soon--let alone a national championship game? They still have to perform on the field.

    Speaking of performing on the field, will you get to see that SDSU AQ conference performance on TV every week? No. Therein lies the primary reason BYU is not going to be in an AQ conference next year, nor probably the year after that.

    Both the Big 12 and Big East took a long look at BYU and thought that the promises of AQ status and greater TV riches would convince BYU to sell it's independence status and control of home broadcast rights in order to join--something TCU/Boise ST/SDSU and 50 other non-AQ schools would do in a heartbeat. They were wrong.

    BYU is still an independent, and will be for the foreseeable future because for the moment, AQ status and >$$ are NOT, nor have the ever been, the current priority.

    As an outlander I fully support and endorse that position.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    Duckhunter | 1:29 p.m. Nov. 23, 2011
    Highland, UT

    BYU would have been their main TV attraction and the most valuable school they had in those negotiations.

    -----------

    *sigh*

    Is anyone the least bit surprised why BYU is so hated?

    For some inexplicable reason, Y fans and their school have this wild delusion that it's their world and every other school simply lives in it.

    You give me one single valid example of HOW you can possibly claim that BYU would've been the premier program in the Big East... when teams like Boise State, Cincinnati, West Virginia and others there have so far seen more BCS action than BYU ever will.

    What world do you live in, where a team who hasn't ever taken a whiff of the BCS goes to the table and bosses everyone around? Let me repeat: BYU... has... done... absolutely... nothing... in... the... BCS.

    I got news for ya. BYU football is terrible right now. Terrible. Yet you think BYU's the best team in the Big East? That is unconscionable.

    And here's some more truth... this year's Y squad would be lucky to reach 5 wins in the current Big East.

    Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    Bluto | 3:51 p.m. Nov. 23, 2011
    Sandy, UT

    BYU held all the cards. Seriously, why would BYU give up what it already has?

    -----------

    To get what it doesn't have.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    BYU has just sealed itself into irrelevance. Funny thing is that the powers that be are to arrogant to realize what they have done.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    In Stitches | 4:35 p.m. Nov. 23, 2011
    Provo, Utah
    Less money, equal or less TV exposure, and a good chance of no BCS access in 2013.

    How exactly is BYU missing out?

    -------------

    So...

    No BCS access in '13 < No BCS access ever

    Gotcha.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    Not a big loss, the BE move was risky, especially if they were going to have to wait 1-2 years to move. All this does is make me miss the days of Big 12 speculation - that is where BYU missed the boat. I still have my fingers crossed that we can keep scheduling good teams 5-years out and (less importantly) get better bowl games, but I'm feeling skeptical.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    I'm amazed at how many of the comments on this article are from trolls. I'm also amazed that BYU-leaning commenters acknowledge them.

    If a commenter makes a comment, but no one acknowledges it, was that comment really made?

    Tch-tch.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    The Big East is a joke. They are now inviting San Deigo St instead of BYU. Now there's a football power for ya. BYU isn't hurt by not going to the Big East HOWEVER they really BLEW IT by not making themselves attractive to the BIG 12. ESPN reported today that the BIG 12 was already to pursue BYU but BYU would not give up TV rights to its home games. Yes the Idaho St, Idaho, New Mex St, San Jose St. home games that NOBODY watched!! So let me get this straight... BYU has the chance to be in the same conference as Texas, OU, TCU etc... and instead they would rather retain the TV rights to a pathetic home schedule of patsy's like Idaho, Idaho St and so on.... Bronco says he is all about elevating BYU to national prominence but his actions (and Tom Holmoe's) speak otherwise. BYU is dooming itself to irrelevance on the national scene and this move to independence could eventually demote BYU to the bottom of division one. Keep in mind that the BIG 12 is also a GREAT basketball conference as well.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    @A1994

    Who was in the drivers seat?

    If BYU was in the drivers seat, the Big East would have acquiesced to BYUs demand to retain broadcast rights... but they didn't

    BYU cut off talks when the Big East refused to allow BYU to retain its broadcast rights.

    It was the Big East driving the final decision, not BYU.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    re:In Stitches

    BYU isn't missing anything by not going to the Big East but they totally BLEW IT by not pursuing the Big 12. ESPN reported today that the BIG 12 was ready to pursue BYU but BYU would not give up TV rights to home games --- Idaho, Idaho St, New Mex St, San Jose St.... So BYU trades a home schedule full of WAC patsy's for a chance to play Texas, OU, Ok St, Kansas St, TCU, etc...You don't elevate your program by filling your home schedule with division one bottom dwellers that nobody watches nationally. BYU is quickly moving toward irrelevance and anonymity.

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:04 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "No BCS access in '13 < No BCS access ever

    Gotcha."

    No, I don't think you did.

    Or is this your new prediction? Should we all "mark it down?"

  • Katiebugg Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    patriot

    "BYU is quickly moving toward irrelevance and anonymity."

    ===
    What does that say about YOU that you claim to believe this and still feel compelled to comment on every single article about BYU?

  • Target Provo, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    Posting on every BYU comment board stating that BYU is "irrelevant" is like calling up your ex-girlfriend every day to tell her that you are over her.

    It's sad and nobody believes you.

  • shottaker5 MIDWAY, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Independence + 8yr ESPN contract + TV broadcasting rights > football only member in East Coast conference with questionable future AQ status.

    Neither scenario is ideal, but the current arrangement is the better of the two.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    re:Katiebugg

    Sometimes the truth hurts. I backed up my opinion by facts and I noticed you had no comment about the facts ... just the opinion that BYU is headed toward irrelevance. So - again BYU had the chance to secure a BIG 12 invite and chose not to do so because it refused to relinquish its TV revenue from home games... home games with some of the weakest and worst division one teams.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    re:Target

    actually, what is more pathetic is attempting to put on a happy face when the facts scream otherwise. Pretending that BYU staying independent is a good thing is like saying you are so glad you got cut from the high school basketball team because now you can be a better ward ball player.

    It would have been GREAT to have both Utah and BYU in major BCS conferences (Pac 12 and Big 12). Think about it...

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    Duckhunter said:

    "So in Jay Drews blog over in the Tribune he provides a link to a poll taken by ESPN Soprts Nation. The poll asks who needs who more, BYU or the big east. You can see the overall results 56% say the big east needs BYU, 18% say BYU needs the big east and 26% say both are fine on their own. You can then click on each individual state to see the results for each of them. Interestingly every single state beleives it was the Big East that needed BYU far more than BYU needed the Big East and it isn't even close for any of them....."

    Ducky is excited!
    Polls can be skewed to get any kind of results.

    Here is a poll question -
    Do you think BYU should be the only school in the country to join a conference and keep its TV rights intact?
    Uh, I think voters would body slam this and overwhelming say no.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    SammFan said:

    "Keep up the good work, Tom H! I trust you 100% that this was the right move. As an Alum who was deprived for years by the Mountain West's TV contract, I'm ecstatic about the current deal. Anything less is unnecessary. To those who might think "stability" comes from being in a Conference, I say "Huh?!" Their overwhelming lack of stability is why they want BYU."
    The Big Least is left with saggy seconds.
    PAC12, BIG10, BIG12, SEC, ACC and Big Sky conferences teams are already spoken for.
    Nope. They needed BYU to keep AQ status, not want them.

  • LoveMySports Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    I really hope BYU knows what they're doing. As a BYU fan, I wanted the Big 12, then I wanted the Big East. I don't like independence. I think a conference championship is important. I hate to say it but I've enjoyed watching the Utah football games lately because there is a story there. They had a terrible start to their PAC 12 season but have a chance at being in the conference championship game if things fall their way. That's a more compelling story than what BYU has going right now. BORING!!!!!!!! Sorry, but I have been a BYU fan since the miricle bowl days and I'm losing my interest and patience. Even if the Big East loses AQ status, being in that conference would be better for me as a fan than this independence...stuff. If BYU is going to give up some TV rights and such, I do agree I would rather them give it up for the Big 12 but is that still an option? It would help if BYU would tell us why they made the decisions they have. It's time to cut the you know what.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    @Howard S.

    Oh. So the article on ESPN that says, "BYU cuts off talks with Big East" actually meant to say "Big East cuts off talks with BYU"?

    Does it occur to you that BYU can actually reject the Big East? From everything I've read, the Big East is in the fight for its existence right now. They wanted BYU as an anchor with Boise for their Western Division. The Big East is the beggar here, not BYU. They should have taken BYU's offer.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    Howard S. either doesn't know the facts or refuses to see them, just like most Ute trolls.

    San Diego State is the one who was not very smart---with Utah, BYU, Boise State and Air Force leaving the mighty MWC maybe SDSU could finally win the conference crown! I'm sure they could beat the likes of New Mexico, UNLV, Wyoming and Colorado State on a regular basis and be the new big fish in the little pond. Having them in the Big East is like having Boston College in the PAC 10.2. LOL!!

    BYU is the only sachool in the country with state-of-the-art broadcast facilities that are WORLD-WIDE and that is their situation (some call it baggage) and ANY conference would be smart to let them showcase every conference game played in Provo globally, with many fans in all 50 States. ESPN is on board with that, but the Big East worried that Fox or NBC wouldn't agree to it in a potential future contract.

    Too bad, BE. Enjoy SDSU and their mid-major efforts; they won't keep AQ status alive for you; not even close.

  • Target Provo, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    patriot

    What is MOST pathetic is commenting multiple times EVERY article about a team you claim is irrelevant and that you don't care about.

    Me thinks you doth protest too much.

    Maybe if you say it enough the blue fairy will come down and grant your wish....

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    "For some inexplicable reason, Y fans and their school have this wild delusion that it's their world and every other school simply lives in it."

    Could that be because "fans" from a team in a whole other conference write as many comments on BYU articles as BYU fans do? So much for the predicted irrelevance!

  • Deep Thoughts Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    BleedRed | 12:56 p.m. Nov. 23, 2011
    Sandy, Utah
    On this Thanksgiving holiday, I am sooooo thankful for Dr. Chris Hill!
    ====

    You must be thankful because of his awesomeness at picking really great basketball coaches that you want to have stay for a long time? As I recall, a bunch of U were calling for his job last Winter....

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    @ A1994

    "The Big East is the beggar here, not BYU."
    ************

    If the Big East were the beggar they would have acquiesced to BYU's retention of broadcast rights. They didn't.

    The Big East concluded that BYU/BYUtv with all the attendant peculiarities are just not worth the trouble.

    Oh and BTW, that is the same conclusion of the Big 12.

  • There's always room for Jello Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    fresnogirl

    You know better than to expect them to actually use LOGIC! Target tried that and patriot came back and proved target's point.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:02 p.m.

    Dead? As in completely dead or "Friday-the-13th-Jason-Dead"?
    ====

    As a Ute fan, even I would have voted that the Big East needs BYU more than the other way around. The Big East is in trouble, and BYU is sitting pretty well.

    The two things that have dissatisfied the Y fans I know appear to be weakened November schedule coupled with a lack of conference championship potential. The schedule should get better with time; the latter would have been helped by the Big East, but at what cost. AQ status seems more secondary to the fans I know.

    I don't see it as BYU being hard to work with, but rather them making the smartest choice, given whatever package the Big East presented.
    ===

    While I think the Aggie fans in question were tasteless, it hardly implicates the entire student body. Also, as far as the aforementioned BYU scoreboard gaff, I actually thought that was pretty funny.
    ===
    "Howard S. either doesn't know the facts or refuses to see them, just like most Ute trolls."
    -toosmartforyou

    If you think that is unique to Ute trolls, you are mistaken. But that's part of the fun.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    MiP

    Yours was the best comment of the evening. Thanks!

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    The same "fans" that were drooling about wanting to join the Big Least are now claiming that they never wanted this relationship. Byu "fans" flip flop more often than John Kerry. Hilarious!

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2011 4:05 a.m.

    @Deep Thoughts

    "You must be thankful because of his awesomeness at picking really great basketball coaches that you want to have stay for a long time? As I recall, a bunch of U were calling for his job last Winter...."

    Basketball? where did that come from? the articles about Football and the screw up made by Tom Holmoe in trying to get into BIG East and blowing it, my comment referred to the brilliance of how Dr. Chris Hill got us into the awesome PAC-12.

    Geeez Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey, focus on the topic, off topic arguments are pointless.

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brother

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2011 4:22 a.m.

    @MiP

    Cougar in Ute clothing.

    A little bit obvious!

    You validating the scoreboard incident speaks volumes about your true character and exactly who you are.

    It is what it is, Band of Sisiters

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 5:35 a.m.

    I got my frowny face on about BYU football in 2013. Yep, it's so depressing. Hand me a kleenex and call the pharmacy to get me some more happy pills.

    Patience BYU fans. We will get there!

    Who can complain about all of these games on TV, the coverage was great and now basketball season is getting started.

    I pity the poor Utes for what's about to happen. Can that program suffer another coach being fired?

    Now, I'm smilin'!

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Nov. 24, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    Good to see it die, it was a bad fit in all regards.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Nov. 24, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    I think it's kind of funny that Cougar fans blast the Big East as a conference while ignoring the fact the Big East will be happy to have SDSU as a "travel partner" for Boise State, their real target. How does it feel to have your team relegated to being Boise's "travel partner" where the national stage is concerned. Enjoy your non AQ independent status while Utah shoots for the Rose bowl every year.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    Sammy-

    That sums up the Y's problem - it is prime football season and Y fan's are moving to basketball smack?

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Nov. 24, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    I for one am glad BYU is remaining independant in football. I have watched several games live and watched the rest on tape delay. I love it.

    Only time will tell if the Big East move was a bad or good one depending on your prospective. Who knows but what other opportunities are currnetly in the making? Fans and trolls alike are not part of the negotiations and simply and thankfully do not know.

    In a couple of years, the current landscape of college football is likely to change again and the greatness of the Big East could easily be irrelevant. I would like to see a playoff that would be bigger and better than the current bowl structure.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    @tomahawk red

    You have a real problem with reading comprehension so let me dumb it down a little bit and we'll see if that utah education can actually grasp reality.

    1st of all I never said BYU would be the "premier" team in the big east although your assertion that they are "terrible" certainly shows your lack of football acumen.

    I said BYU would be the main tv attraction and the most valuable school the big east would have had in their negotiations of a new contract. That is inarguable. BYU is the only one of those schools with its own tv contract and they make more in 2 games than the big east schools make for an entire season. BYU has the largest fanbase and most tv sets of any of those schools. You can try to argue otherwise but you'll look even more foolish that you already look.

    Without the rights to BYU home games their future contract will be greatly diminished and that is why they wanted BYU.

    Sorry to break it to you but those are just the facts regardless if how badly utah trolls wish it wasn't so.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    A football season with one game left and a post season bowl? It's over in this time zone.

    Your basketball fear and insecurity is showing... as it should be.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    @sammyg | 7:15 p.m

    A football season with one game left and a post season bowl? It's over in this time zone.
    **********

    When your remaining football season consists of a meaningless game in the islands and the Armed Forces bowl, its easy to consider the season over.

    On the other hand, when you are still in contention for the division and conference championship, and a BCS bowl game... well... the season still holds a lot of promise.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    @Howard S.

    Utah contending for a BCS Bowl?

    Speaking of shams....

    USC is the best team in the South, always will be. But for their sanctions....

    Utah? LOL

    The...Red Rocks/Red Tailed Hawks/Ecclesbirds/Utes... don't have to play Stanford or Oregon as part of the Pac 10 appeasement with Utah, in which the League is not paying them equal revenue shares, for 4 years.

    I would love to see Utah play Oregon or Stanford for the Title, for it would forever establish once and for all, on National TV, just what a joke and paper tiger Utah really is and always will be and it will usher in with style The Tom Lovat Years Part-Deux.

    We can only hope.

  • daddman54 FARMINGTON, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    Bluto,
    I would love to see Utah play Oregon or Stanford for the Title, for it would forever establish once and for all, on National TV, just what a joke and paper tiger Utah really is and always will be and it will usher in with style The Tom Lovat Years Part-Deux.

    Wow..... what a nice little rant, hope you took a breath or two while you were typing that.
    Like most Cougar fans, you're more interested in the Utes outlook and schedule than your own. Pretty much says it all, thank you for your validation.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    @ Bluto

    USC the best team in the South? Didn't have to play Oregon or Stanford?

    I guess it really would be a sham for Utah to represent the south without playing the best teams or being the best team in the division.

    It might be reminiscent of the sham of BYU being awarded the national championship without playing the best teams in the country and by virtue of a victory over a 6-5 Michigan team.

    But, lets at least get your facts straight...

    Utah gets a 0% Pac 12 payout in 2011, 50% in 2012, 75% in 2013, and a 100% share in 2014.

    That's three yeas of graduated payouts, not four.

    And another thing for Cougar fans to consider is that in two of those three years Utah's Pac 12 share will be greater than or equal to BYU's ESPN contract payout.

    As for hope... That's about the only chance BYU has for a BCS bowl game.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    daddman54 | 9:09 a.m. Nov. 25, 2011
    FARMINGTON, UT

    "Like most Cougar fans, you're more interested in the Utes outlook and schedule than your own. Pretty much says it all, thank you for your validation."

    Says the Ute posting on the BYU article....

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    I would love for Utah and BYU to play on national TV so that, once and for all, the nation could see what a joke and a paper tiger BYU really is.....oh wait....didn't that already happen this year?

    BYU fans are funny!

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    @ lanius

    You forgot to mention, media outlets already knows utah sucks and realized there is no need to waste good quality air time in showing a utah game on National TV accept once or twice a year in order to fulfill a contract.

    17 Colorado > 14 utah