Here we go again. Any BCS changes will trigger conference realignment as teams
try to position themselves to maximize the revenue to their school. I don't expect to hear any response from BYU about their Big East invitation
until the BCS figures out what they will do next.Can't we just get
back to playing football and quit focusing on conference realignment and BCS
Interesting...Without the AQ, a Big East schedule is still a
November upgrade from the 2011/12 version (yes, I know, in 2013 it's suposed to
get better, but still...)...and if bowl bids are to be based on
putting fannies in the seats, BYU should be just fine...and that partnership
with ESPN won't hurt either.(...and don't think The Worldwide Leader
isn't going to have a big say in who goes to what bowl...)
It's like this: Before you had a "dumb and dumber" kind of a chance
to get to a BCS bowl. Something around 1 in a million. Now that "1"
will be gone. Got to love being in the Pac 12!
This was an informal proposal that is being tossed around. Whether it is being
seriously considered is questionable. The proposal essentially states that the
BCS is just going after a national championship game and the rest the bowl games
will be open to all 11 FBS conferences and independents. I seriously doubt the
AD's of the BCS are going to release the stranglehold they have on the currently
lucrative BCS Bowl games. But let's suppose this proposal is
implemented. If BYU is allowed to keep its ESPN and it own broadcasting rights
in the Big East, then they are still in a better position than their current
independence. They have a ready-made schedule of competitive teams, a partner
with Boise State, and a conference who will help them negotiate for the higher
profile Bowl games. If the Big East is allowing BYU to have
everything they want to join them then BYU should accept it, even if this
unlikely proposal became a reality.
Gotta love the PAC 12!Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers!
the suggested change calls for the BCS to sever its direct ties with the
so-called BCS bowls the Allstate Sugar Bowl, Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, Discover
Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio and concentrate solely on
arranging a No. 1 vs. No. 2 national championship matchupI'm missing
something. There is a LOT of money in those 5 BCS games. I don't imagine
"the BCS" would toss 4 money makers to focus on 1 game.The
best teams generally come from the leagues associated to those bowl games. If
the BCS cuts ties with the Rose Bowl, for example, that means the national title
game wouldn't include a team from the Pac-12 or B1G.Unless... maybe
they're saying we'd go back to traditional bowl games, where there would never
be a Big 12 or SEC playing in the Rose Bowl. And the BCS national title game is
a "plus one" that matches #1 & #2 after the bowl season. That
would give more meaning to the bowls. If Oklahoma had to play Boise State,
they'd actually care about the game this time.
KenBefore you had a "dumb and dumber" kind of a chance to
get to a BCS bowl. Something around 1 in a million. Now that "1" will
be gone.We're glad U lucked out with the "dumb and dumber"
chance you had, but if the new plan is adopted, "BCS" bowls won't even
exist, simply a BCS championship game.And Utah's only claim to fame
will be disappear as nothing more than a couple of bowl wins in a sea of bowls.
I can only respond to what I read in this article, but how can such
"major" BCS changes only impact the AQ status of the Big East?
Undoubtedly, any/all BCS changes will also impact the Pac 12 and all the other
BCS Conferences as well, particularly if the BCS pulls out of the other
"major" bowl games and focuses solely on the Nat'l Championship game.
I still say our Cougs have to join a strong conference. The independent schedule
isn't doing them any favors. Even though the games do get a little stronger in
the next 2 years, BYU is far, far from the tradition & power of a Notre Dame
to solicit the interest of other power house programs year in and year out. I'm
more than playing WAC teams. That's why they left the MWC!
Did I miss somethin??What has Jimmer Freddette's girlfriend got to
do with BYU affiliation with the Big Eas(y)t or the future of the BCS?Who cares who won the "sideline" award?
Sorry. In my above comment I meant "I'm more than done playing WAC
Even being in the Pac-12 won't have any bearing unless the talent of the
conference from top to bottom improves and they actually have someone higher
than #3 in the nation.... Did you not read the potato head language that all the
BCS bowls could be gone and simply a championship game pitting #1 against #2? It
is amazing yet tragic that people only read what they want to read when a
completely different thing was eloquently said. Yes, the Rose Bowl will stay
around and that has miles more prestige than the MAACO Bowl Las Vegas or the
Armed Forces Bowl or any other pre-january 1st matchup. But folks, please read
carefully the words these reporters are uttering... It is up to you to make
yourself look like you have a lick of common sense or intelligence... So, get to
I feel a better title for this article would be 'possible BCS changes would
impact every Division 1 program in the country' cuz essentially it would effect
more than just BYU... Everyone would feel the crush from A-Z including U.
SnackPac,What it means is there will still be very prestigious bowls
they just may not carry the BCS tag. The pac 12 will still be in the Rose Bowl,
every single year. The other prestigious bowls will set up contracts with the
Pac 12, Big 12, Big 10, and ACC.It means there will be no
"sneaking in" by poor teams such as Uconn from the big east last
year.Your 1 in a million shot at a "upper bowl" is now 0
in a million.
The longer BYU keeps it's composure and stays quiet, the smarter it looks. The real blow is actually to the U. If this happens, no luster to the
PAC 12 anymore. The irony is if this idea becomes reality, all
football programs become basically independent.
"Newintown"The title of the article is "Blue
roundup:..." inferring all things BYU. Hope that helps.
Ute fans read the article real slow...AQ status would go away for all
conferences not just the BIG East. C'mon little bro's, read the article.
Thank you DesNews for allowing ute fans responses and not trying to protect them
for their own ignorance.
Listen to the Utah trolls and the fans who believe they know everything. This is
my opinion alone and what I read into this story. If the BCS goes away, then it
paves the way for a system to be put in place that will cater only to the
traditional football powers. Anyone who follows college football knows who those
programs areI don't need to mention them. The next thing that will be taken into
consideration is fan base and who will be the big draw that generates money.
Sorry Utes, the NCAA could care less that you dwell in the Pac 12. And
BYU.....you need to put a better product on the field. Obviously you have the
exposure (see deal with ESPN) as well as fan base, and draw around the
country.......but....you need a better football team. And that's just my
opinion, and we all know what they say about opinions!!!
BYU is in a pickle. The Big East is a no go if the BCS status expires after
2013. Staying independent also locks the Y out of the BCS. The only real chance
was the Big 12. I say was because it appears that opportunity came and went and
TCU and Virginia Tech were chosen instead. There was also the sunday play issue
the the Big 12 which was a non starter. So where does this leave BYU? Staying
independent will eventually cause the money to dry up and the recruits following
that. I'm sure Tom Holmoe is aware of all of this and will make the best
decision possible. Some key indicators will be if Bronco renews his contract
after 3 years and if Tom Holmoe sticks around as well.
The BCS must be feeling some anti-trust heat in the way the access to the 4
major bowls and BCS NC game have been controlled. BCS types have long said that
if that goes away, the 4 major bowls will revert to their historic conference
tie-ins.What the U fans have tried, unsuccessfully it seems, to
explain to the cougies is this: If the proposal goes through, it means the
Pac-12 schools will still have the Rose Bowl tie-in (along with all the other
bowls the Pac-12 has arrangements with), but the Big Least and independent
schools will probably be left with just hoping to get to a lower tier bowl,
knowing their noses will always be pressed against their TV screens on New Years
Virginia Tech? I think patriot means West Virginia.I think the only
way this idea of the BCS focusing on just the national title game could work is
as a "+1" after the regular bowls. We would go to the Rose Bowl
always having the Pac-12 and Big Ten champions and the champion would have a
possibility of going on the national championship. Maybe they could seed a
four-team tournament after the bowls making the big four bowls simply the first
round of a three round playoff.
So, as I have said before...If the BCS system goes away...What will Chris B, MG63, and Navel vet and all the other ute troll hang their
hat on?"But we won two BCS bowls"So!?
3grandslams,You're clueless. Yes, all BCS games would go away. The
best bowls would then negotiate on their on with the individual conferences.Guess how many of the good bowls will be wanting Pac 12 teams: LotsGuess how many of the good bowls will be wanting SEC teams: LotsGuess
how many of the good bowls will be wanting Big 12 teams: LotsGuess how
many of the good bowls will be wanting Big 12 teams: LotsGuess how many of
the good bowls will be wanting ACC teams: LotsGuess how many of the
good bowls will be wanting big east and other irrelevant teams: NOT lots.Hope that helps!
Starfarer,Ute fans will be able to hang our hats on our continued
bowl opportunites with bowls such as the Rose Bowl. No its won't be a "BCS
Rose Bowl." It will still be the Rose Bowl.Likewise, SEC, big
12, big 10, and ACC will all set up contracts with prestigious bowls.The leftover bowls/teams will get together. How does that sounds to byu fans?
Hmm...hold on for a seecond...Rose Bowl - Big 10 and Pac 12...ok,
that's set...Orange Bowl - Big 12 and ??? (seriously, I don't
know...ACC? Big East?)Sugar Bowl - SEC and ??? anybody they can
get?...and what conferences have historical ties to the Fiesta Bowl
exactly...the WAC? (You'd have to think that if Boise or BYU or even
Air Force won the Big East championship, the Fiesta Bowl committee would be all
over that one...)Guess the Cotton Bowl @ Jerry's World becomes a
major player again, too...and since the Southwest Conference no longer
exists...well, you get the idea.C'mon, you trollkids...the sky isn't
falling in Utah County...as much as some of you wish it was...Yeah,
if your talking about getting to a "BCS game", there only being two
slots would make it a wee bit difficult. But if any Big East team...even BYU,
shocking!...has the resume, they'll get to one of the Big Five games, just the
same as every other major conference (plus Notre Dame)...
Keep the bowls but send teams decided by a playoff. Wow! That sure was hard to
come up with.
The BCS cutting ties with other bowls would be death for any non-BCS league
team. That means BYU could NEVER be in any major bowl because it all goes back
to ties to conferences. It means that independant status is death unless you
are Notre Dame. It means they must do all they can to get into the Big East.
Doesn't matter if it's watered down. BYU will never have a season
that matters after mid-September unless they are in a conference. The harder
they schedule the worse it will be. They are 50% over 30 years against non-AQ
teams in games and 48% against the BCS teams over 30 years (if you take out the
Big 12 they are 45%). This is not a tradition that will get you to the NC game
and no Big bowls will tie into BYU. So it has never been more important to be
in a conference WITH A DECENT TV CONTRACT and AQ status. BYU only has a 40% win
rate against the Big East teams over 30 years by the way so it is definately a
step up for their program.
As it currently stands, unless teams are ranked #1 or #2, the conference
champions are historically or contractually obligated to the following bowl
games:Rose: Pac-12 vs. Big10Orange: ACC vs. at-largeFiesta: Big12 vs. at-largeSugar: SEC vs. at-largeDo you see
which BCS AQ conference is not listed there?The Big East currently
enjoys automatic qualifier status for a BCS bowl, but their teams are selected
among the at-large pool of eligible teams. That is, until the end of the 2012
season, anyway.If this plan goes down as stated in the article, the
BCS as an organization would only serve to match #1 vs. #2 in an independent,
national championship game. The rest of the bowls would basically revert to the
old type of plan. And based on recent success, I imagine you'd see those
"at-large" spots filled with a lot of highly-ranked SEC and Big12
teams. In a season like the current one, you might even see LSU in the NCG,
Alabama in the Sugar, and Arkansas in the Fiesta. That's $54 million to the SEC
if that ever happens.The little guys (which would more-or-less
include the Big East at that point) would continue to get the shaft. Win the Big
East? Play in a second-tier bowl game. Have a great season as an independent or
mid-major? Play in a second-tier bowl game.This is definitely a bad
thing for BYU whichever way you look at it.
KenSorry to burst your BYU-hating bubble, but BYU doesn't have to
sneak into any bowl.BYU got into the Cotton Bowl, one of the
original major bowls, on its own merits.Bowls and television
networks are all about money, which means inviting teams that will actually
bring fans to the game and get fans to tune in to watch the game.What near-sighted, Utah trolls don't seem to be able to grasp is that the
rebuilt Big East would have enough national draw to tie their champion to a bowl
that, if not already, would eventually be a major bowl.The Fiesta
and Holiday Bowls were started by the WAC to host the WAC champion.Both bowls are now much bigger than the Sun Bowl, which was one of the
original New Years bowls.Some people see things as they are and
wonder why. Others see things as they could be and wonder why not.
You have two solutions: 1 - Keep the old bowl system as it was and don't try to
determine who is number 1 in the country. 2. Have a playoff. All of the other
solutions are senseless.On a side note - To all of the Utah fans
stating that the Cougars will never win a national championship, which could be
true, - do you honestly feel that you will ever win the PAC 12 let alone a
national championship? Over the past 40 years, only USC has ever won a national
championshiop from the PAC 12. Washington went undefeated in 1991 and split the
national championship with Miami. Since the inception of the BCS,
only 1 NC has come from the PAC 12 which was USC, but they have since been
stripped of the title. I'm just keeping it real.
Boy, lotta arrogance and ignorance out today. The way I see it, country club
membership goes out the window and it all goes back to where you end up ranked.
If BYU puts a product on the field, they'll play somewhere nice (besides
Pasadena. Boo hoo!). With three at large slots to fill, if you are in the top
five, you will play somewhere nice. Finish in the top two...
Ken"Ute fans will be able to hang our hats on our continued
bowl opportunites with bowls such as the Rose Bowl."Before
trying to hang your hat on your "bowl opportunities", why don't you
first try finishing in the upper half of your conference?A program
that has only won 6 conference championships in the last 60 years doesn't sound
like a program that is going to be playing in a Rose Bowl anytime soon. Arizona
has been waiting 30 years. Utah's wait could be just as long.The
skids were greased for Utah to play in the PAC 12 championship game this
year.--no Oregon or Stanford--ineligible USC--a division
filled with mediocre teamsAnd the Utes still couldn't even win their
division.Enjoy the Sun Bowl. El Paso sounds like a really exciting
Well, well, well. It seems as if the Big Least has lost its luster all of the
sudden.Oh well, my team is in the PAC (you know, that prestigious
conference with a prestigious Rose Bowl tie-in.)Hang in there Band
of Lil' Brothers.
Bluecat82:"Hmm...hold on for a seecond [sic]...Rose Bowl - Big
10 and Pac 12...ok, that's set...Orange Bowl - Big 12 and ??? (seriously, I
don't know...ACC? Big East?)...Sugar Bowl - SEC and ??? anybody they can
get?...and what conferences have historical ties to the Fiesta Bowl
exactly...the WAC?...Guess the Cotton Bowl @ Jerry's World becomes a major
player again, too...and since the Southwest Conference no longer exists...well,
you get the idea."As a no-BCS bowling Indy-WACer, I wouldn't
have expected you to know this but...(1) The Orange Bowl is tied to
the ACC; not the Big XII.(2) The Fiesta Bowl is tied to the Big XII.
It's not independent.(3) The Cotton Bowl is tied to the Big XII as well.
As is the SEC. Again, another major bowl that is not independent.You guys are tied to the Armed Forces Bowl. And the Fight Hunger Bowl. And
Boise State's coattails [*snicker*].
"The BCS cutting ties with other bowls would be death for any non-BCS
league team."This has got to be one of the dumbest things ever
posted.With only a championship game matchup of #1 vs #2, there
wouldn't be any AQ or non-AQ BCS leagues, because there wouldn't be any BCS
bowls to qualify for.As many predicted, the ill-conceived BCS is
beginning to collapse under its own weight.
Goodbye AQ and good riddance if it happens. Pairing the non-AQ undefeated
against the worst of the qualifiers (ie--Pitt vs Utah), will be gone forever.
Something that should have happened a long time ago.It will restore
some tradition to the bowl games, and provide apparent access to all FBS-level
teams, but it certainly doesn't remove the opinion poll-selection of 2-teams for
a 1-game playoff claiming to be the championship.
Naval VetI feel sorry for anyone so filled with hate that the only
pleasure they have in life is wallowing in what they perceive to be the misery
KenThe PAC 12 may play in the Rose Bowl every year, but that doesn't
mean the Utes ever will. Only insecure fans following a program devoid of any
real national accomplishments would be so obsessed with "potential".
The end of the BCS bowls sounds like a great time for BYU to roll up its sleaves
to help the Big East build the bowl tied to the Big East champion into a major
bowl. There's no need to try to coattail off the accomplishments of others.
CordonBleuI wouldn't even bother trying to argue with anyone who
doesn't understand that no BCS tie-ins to bowls means no BCS bowls, and
therefore, no BCS leagues.
newintown | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 18, 2011WOODS CROSS, UTDid I miss
somethin??What has Jimmer Freddette's girlfriend got to do with BYU
affiliation with the Big Eas(y)t or the future of the BCS?Who cares
who won the "sideline" award? --I care cuz now
Jimmer will stop tweeting 20 times a day for everyone to vote for her... Now I
can actually follow him again.
As a fan of the Big East, I'd love to see BYU join for selfish reasons. A known
name in college football would enhance the league's credibility in light of
recent departures. But bear in mind that the Big East never had a bowl tie in
with any major bowl. The BCS gave the league its access. And the other bowls for
the non-champion are not so good. So if what ESPN reports is going to happen,
the Big East may be out in the cold. The league, with current membership and
excepting WVU, is not highly regarded on a national scale.I'm not
trying to discourage anyone. It would be god for the Big East, but I can't say
there would be a big gain for BYU.
3grandslams & PugmanWell said guys, well said.
One thing many Ute fans continue to ignore and keep putting forth that the Big
East will lose AQ status is the fact that in order for the BCS to stay in
business it must have the majority of the conferences to maintain the BCS. If
the Big East loses its status they become part of the non AQ conferences, which
would make the Non AQ conferences the new majority. This new majority could
outvote the BCS voting block and change the whole picture. Remember, the only
reason we have the BCS is because the majority of the conferences got together
in a back room and crafted this illegal monopoly. They made up the majority of
the D1 schools and therefore could ramrod it through the NCAA, which is a
democratic group, and the NCAA could not block it. Simple majority wins the
matter. Now which other conference would replace the Big East. There
are no other conferences which could qualify. Ute Naysayers start thinking for
once. For goodness sake you went to a quality university, start using some of
that education for once in your life.
College Football needs a legitimate National Championship, just like College
Basketball has.The only way to do that is to have a playoff.But a playoff in College Football is logistically impossible to fit into
the few weeks between school semesters.So, the Conferences must be
realligned to create something like a playoff bracketing system during the
regular season. In other words, if you can't add a playoff TO the regular
season, then make the regular season into the playoff.Currently,
there are 18 Conferences with a total of 120 teams. The NCAA/BCS has no interest
in eliminating any teams. They make money by having teams in the system, not be
eliminating them. So they are moving to fewer Conferences with 12-14 teams each
(6-8 teams in each sub-conference). ACC, Big10, Mid-American, PAC12, SEC, and
ConfUSA are already set up this way. Next, Big12 and BigEast will merge, MWC and
WAC will merge, and the teams from the Sunbelt as well as Indys will be shuffled
into the rest.Don't worry. BYU will have a home in a Conference...
The only real solution, which is completely fair to everyone, is to just put BYU
in the national title game every year. We all know they deserve it every year,
so why not?
byu and the BCS has no meaning together!
Don't get caught in a trap. That conference tie in is still going to be
all-important in deciding who goes where. The power brokers in the east will
see to it that their darling is taken care of. Go to the Big East.
As I said a year ago, some day the BCS bowls will find themselves on the Ash
Heap of History. All that Utah has had to boast of, since 2004, is
having played in a BCS game. Which Ten teams do every year.This
Phony-Construct/Caste-System, will no longer be able to sustain Bottomfeeders
with a False Sense of Superiority.Prior to 2004, The U of U went 56
years without winning a Conference Championship, in the Modern Era of College
Football.After the dust settles, which program in this State will
still have a...A Heisman Memorial Trophy5 National
Championship Trophies (Consensus) from 1984Outland TrophiesDavey
O'Brien TrophiesSammy Baugh TrophiesA Doak Walker TrophyCollege Hall of Famers23 Conference ChampionshipsSuper Bowl and
NFL MVP's60+ All-Americans with 15 being 15 Consensus ???These
don't go away, the BCS will. Now Utah is just another Washington
State or an Arizona, which is now in their 33rd Year of waiting for their
"First" Rose Bowl.And the Utes will need to explain to
their kids/grandkids what a BCS game was?While BYU's Legacy and
Brand continues to Rise, Independent or in a Conference.
Ken,Once again, I'll type real slow...AQ status is gone, we're not
talking about anything else but AQ! It comes down that only one bowl a year will
be relavent. And then it get's real ugly because if you think the BCS is
crooked now (which you probably did until leaving the MWC) wait until only two
teams are selected from some strange formula that nobody can figure out. I can't believe that this even needs to be explained to you.
According to the ESPN article if this does happen it means that the BCS will
only have ties to the championship game between the top two. All of the BCS
money will go to that championship game none of it will go to the Rose Bowl,
Orange Bow, Sugar Bowl,and Fiesta Bowl which currently have huge BCS payouts.
So before Utah fans start puffing their chests about how they will go to the BCS
through the PAC-12, this proposal will eliminate that since the Rose Bowl will
no longer have BCS money and their only chance is to finish 1 or 2 but that
would require an undefeated season in the PAC and I don't see that happening.
As for B.Y.U. go to the Big East since a revamped Big East could get a contract
will these now non-BCS bowls.
I think BYU, regardless, should still consider building a New Big East aka Big Country or Continental Conference.Having a nice schedule with
teams all across this Country and a nice Bowl tie in, Cotton, Gator, Tangerine,
Pinstripe, Holiday etc. (sorry for using the traditional names) is still better
than playing the Wyoming's and San Diego State's of the World.Remember, most of these Bowl contracts are also up in the next few years, so
the Big East will definately be tied to something quite decent.Then
the Bowls are competing again for good teams. This could be healthy and more
fun. The worst thing about the BCS, was how it tied up all the bowls with
"both opponents" pre-set. Now most Bowls will go back to having at
large choices, other than the Rose.Now Ute fans, with 24 teams in
the Big 10(12) and the Pac 12, and two teams per year playing in said Bowl, what
are the odds in the next 50 years, Utah even plays in one?Ask
Arizona, who left the old WAC "To play in Rose Bowls", direct
quote.Even the once mighty ASU has only played in Two Rose Bowls.
UoU 1991 | 3:14 p.m. Nov. 18, 2011 Park City, UTNaval VetI feel sorry for anyone so filled with hate that the only pleasure they have
in life is wallowing in what they perceive to be the misery of others.---------You mean like SnackPac (lamest screen name on the
Internet), Bluto and QuackHunter?Or is this just a "slam the
BYU haters" affair?
The BCS is clearly feeling congressional heat. In three years there could be a
BCS sponsored playoff systemThe Utah BYU rivalry is over. The PAC12
will see to that. Which is a good.Urben Meyer's "school down
south" mentality helped to create an atmosphere of hate and disrespect that
coaches Whittingham and Mendenhall have not been able to overcome.BYU can no longer measure themselves by what Utah has accomplished. The future
lies in building upon the relationships we have with those we have the most in
common with Notre Dame and the WCC.Go Cougars
Utah is still in a good spot. Good match ups nearly every week that keep the
fans interested. And...how much was that Pac12 TV contract worth again? The U
isn't sweating a thing right now.
UTOPIAIt's funny how all of those "good matchups" every
week were considered cupcakes by the Utah trolls when BYU was playing the exact
same teams in the past.Utah is in a good spot, but it won't mean
much until the Utes actually do something meaningful in the PAC 12. If the Utes
are getting so much TV money, why are they gouging their fans with increased
ticket prices and student fees?
BCS as it is now is better than the old bowl system.But a playoff?
Now that'd be nice.
Um, Ute fans you will have to win the PAC to make the Rose Bowl. Better get
alot better in a hurry.
The Cougar fans are in typical form.You guys are seriously in denial if
you don't think this would be bad for BYU.Why do you think the article is
titled what it is? You all look ridiculous when you try to spin something
into something it's so obviously not.Bottom line...the traditional bowls
will still have major draw...that goes for money and exposure. The Big East /
Independents (other than Notre Dame) will have an uphill battle to be let in to
those big boy bowls. It's just a fact people, nothing to argue here.Another fact...for as much as you Cougs want to say "look at Arizona and
Arizona State" blah, blah blah... bottom line is that Utah will play great
opponents week in and week out and will at least know for a fact that should
they break that oh so impossible barrier (according to Coug fans) of winning a
Pac 12 title, they canNOT be denied at least the Rose Bowl and would have an
excellent shot at the title game. So what would BYU's guarantee be if they
won the Big East or the Independent/bottom half of the WAC championship?
motorbikeThe Utes are long on potential, but short on delivery. The
PAC 12 gift-wrapped the PAC 12 South for you, and you couldn't even win a
pathetically weak division with the best team on probation and a bye versus
Oregon and Stanford.Utah will play great opponents week in and week
out? Utah can't even beat mediocre opponents week in and week
out.What chance do you think you have of even winning the division
when USC is back to full strength and UCLA turns their program around?Call us when you actually get to the Rose Bowl. Until then, you're nothing but
a bunch of hot air.
motormouth"...winning a Pac 12 title..."If
history is known to repeat itself, and we're citing Ute football history, expect
a long, as in very long, wait. Utes = Washington Generals when
compared to the likes of Oregon, Stanford...
Bluto,Weren't you one of the many thinking Independence was the
greatest thing ever? Make up your mind, something all BYU fans need to do. Pick
a conference affiliation idea you support and go with it. No flip flopping.5 National Championships? Ha, dream on.And if you're trying
to take a jab at the Utes for only winning 2 BCS bowls in this past decade, how
many have you won? Correction, how many have the Cougies played for?A conference championship was all they could play for, now the AD took that
away from them and gave them a cupcake schedule with a terrible month of
November. But if you're happy with the likes of that team in Idaho (not Boise
St., that other team) and New Mexico State... then whatever floats your boat I
guess. I'll be busy watching the likes of USC, ASU, Oregon, Stanford,
Washington, etc in future years.
The only thing that is for certain is that Bluto will continue to post his
irrelevant individual BYU stats of 30 years ago, which have absolutely nothing
to do with the present issue.
This proposal is very similar to how things used to be. I like it. BYU won a
national championship with that formula. The Utes?
The only thing to consider is the money angle. What make more sense;
independence with exclusive contracts with the likes of ESPN; assuming there is
a reasonable contract for game times, and "money" obviously. This
would be weighed against the issue of being in a so-called BCS conference,
qualifying the football team for a bigger-time bowl possibility. In todays
world, I don't see BYU competing for a top eight ranking to qualify for a major
bowl payoff. They don't have access to the quality players to reach that
pinnacle in my opinion. As in who wants to go to Provo to play, when there are
numerous more glitzy football schools around the country. I just don't see it
right now; the justification to jump into a Big East situation when that
conference is going down the tubes with defectors leaving right and left. Don't
panic and jump. Boise State is a prime example of jumping around. What's that
all about? What's their objective getting into the Big 10 (with 20 teams). Big
Ten? What's that. And Big 12? Huh? Come on. BYU should stand pat with
independence and let some of this insanity shake itself out. Go Cougars.
AS I have said all along, the bcs will be done and gone in two years. I still am
sure this will happen. What is not being said is why the bcs would be
considering this move. Simply put, they are trying to salvage a championship
game and give up everything else. They either do this or loose everything thru
the legal challenges and anti-trust filing. Should this happen, and
I believe it will, the conferences are not in a postion to do the same thing the
bcs had done is obvious, anti-trust. The conferences will realign
themselves like before, Rose was pac10 and big10, Orange big12, Sugar SEC,
Fiesta, who knows, they may not survive all of the corruption in their system,
which by the way, is the tip of the iceberg of the bcs scandals. Look at the
sugar and Ohio state, Tressel and all.The best thing that could
happen would be for the bcs to go away.The nc then could be anyone
they decide, no affiliation (aq) necesary.Sorry u, it will mean
If BCS changes the current format and has separate bowl against the top 2 ranked
teams, it would put the four current BCS bowls back to their original conference
sponsorships, which happen to be affiliated with Big Ten, SEC, Pac12, Big East,
and Big 12. BYU will get the short end of stick to those multimillion dollar
payout Bowls, including the Cotton bowl if it stays as an independent. This is
because as an independent it plays a schedule of teams primarily from the
Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) instead of teams from the Football Bowl
Championship (FBS). Prior to this year BYU was in MWC and WAC which is
considered a non FBS conference by the high multimillion dollar payout Bowls
(like Rose, Orange, Fiesta, and Sugar) but BYU used the excuse of being locked
into a conference and non-conference schedule included scheduling 1-2 teams from
the FBS. Bottom line is BYU scheduler has used independence to schedule FCS
teams and BYU ticket sales have dropped as well as their strength of schedule to
be a ranked top 25 team regardless if they win against that competition. That's
a travesty to the players and fans
So the train has already left the station and the Big East and therefore BYU is
not on it? That's what this article seems to be saying.
Whether the BYU football program goes to the Big East, stays independent or
decides to take another direction, they still have the opportunity to make some
noise in the college football world and cause more than a few sleepless nights
for the BCS powers that be as well as the Ute trolls. You know how?WINS GAMES!Next year, the Cougars have three PAC 12 schools on
their schedule, including Utah. They're also playing at Georgia Tech, at Boise
State and at Notre Dame. With a schedule like they, they will turn heads
if they finish 11-1 or possibly, maybe 12-0. Do I think that's
possible? It's hard to say for sure because look at this season.Take
away a few turnovers and costly penalties in the Texas game and TCU game and BYU
could very well be 9-1 right now. On the other hand, they just squeaked by Ole'
Miss, Utah State and Central Florida, which means they could easily be 4-6 right
now too.In a nutshell, if BYU finishes 10-3 this year and has a
Boise State or Utah type season in 2012, it will mean a lot for their future.
@hohum 10:23I hope you're right. The BCS, in my opinion, has always
been the BS. It needs to die a quick and immediate death. As for
everything else.1. Keep all the bowls, with their conference
affiliations. (Yes Ute fans, you can still play in the Rose Bowl)2.
Keep the National Championship game between #1 and #2 in the country.3. Give conferences like the Big East, Mountain West and Conference USA an AQ
to a well established, quality bowl game. 4. Have some type of four
team or six team playoff system, with the games played before the bowl games, in
order to decide the true #1 and #2 teams in the country. Now, every
college team has a much better chance at playing for the national championship
and none of the big conferences will lose their golden egg bowl games.
I said - "4. Have some type of four team or six team playoff system, with
the games played before the bowl games, in order to decide the true #1 and #2
teams in the country."OOPS, my bad. I should have said,
"Have some type of four team or six team playoff system, with the 'quarter
final and semi-final games' played before the bowl games, in order to decide the
true #1 and #2 teams in the country."A good bowl game for the
Big East to AQ for would be either the Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl or Sun Bowl.
ClarkHippo,I don't think the Cougies could go undefeated if their
honor code depended on it. This was the year to do it, as the scheduled is
filled with mostly WAC teams.
Ute fans bragging about conference affiliation with the Rose Bowl = Vanderbilt
fans bragging about conference affiliation with the Sugar Bowl. I have a chance
at winning $30 million dollars every year in the Publisher's Clearing House
sweepstakes, but I don't start bragging about it when I get the envelope in the
mail.Would I like for BYU to be in the PAC12 or BIG12? Sure. Would
that automatically make BYU a better team? Using Ute logic, yes; using actual
Ken and Naval Vet?blah blah blah blah waaaaa waaaaa, ooo what a
marquee matchup with those tough Wazzzzo cougs. I'll bet the whole country is on
pins and needles waiting to see these two juggernauts square off. Please!! What
have the Utesies done lately? answer: nothing. Beat UCLA? who hasn't done that?
Byu would work them over too in the snow at LES. When your Utesies beat Stanford
or Oregon in the Rose Bowl then come and whine.
The Rose Bowl was #1 PAC-10 vs. #1 Big 10. Putting a BCS in front of it didn't
change the game, only the money. So, what if BCS logo is taken away? It's still
the Rose Bowl for the PAC-12 conference. We hate the BCS anyways. Bigger
news if the Big 10 changed bowls.
Jeff29 said:"Ute fans bragging about conference affiliation
with the Rose Bowl = Vanderbilt fans bragging about conference affiliation with
the Sugar Bowl. I have a chance at winning $30 million dollars every year in the
Publisher's Clearing House sweepstakes, but I don't start bragging about it when
I get the envelope in the mail.Would I like for BYU to be in the
PAC12 or BIG12? Sure. Would that automatically make BYU a better team? Using Ute
logic, yes; using actual logic, no."Yet here we are, and BYU
still does not belong to a power conference. Even after forty plus years of WAC
legacy.And Vanderbilt has something that BYU does not. They currently
belong to a BCS conference with automatic AQ status.
@Luv 2 Troll U 1:49You said - "I don't think the Cougies could
go undefeated if their honor code depended on it."If you're
implying that BYU's honor code has something to do with their sub par
performances, I disagree. I don't the the honor code had anything to with BYU's
fourth quarter collapse in the Texas game. I don't think the honor
code had anything to do with the silly, but costly special team mistakes in the
TCU game. Fact is, the Cougars don't play as clean as other teams.
Even in past seasons, they have lost close games due to nothing more than a dumb
penalty here or a careless turnover there.In 2006, BYU finished
11-2. Their two losses were a three-point loss at Arizona and a seven-point loss
at Boston College. In both games, the Cougars committed several costly mistakes
which, if they had played cleaner would have given them an undefeated season.Same in 2007. Another 11-2 season, including a ten-point loss at UCLA
and eight-point loss at Tulsa. in both games, the Cougars made just a few too
Good to see that the "Independence" thing is working against BYU!!! A
lot of people are laughing, especially Craig Thompson!!
Coming from a BYU fan, how about BYU worry about putting on a quality program
that plays a real schedule. Saturday night, yes BYU was on. But frankly it was
boring, even for a fan. Who wants to see the big guy beat up on yet another
hapless second tier team. When was the last time New Mexico meant anything to
any bowl selection committee. Rather I changed the channel and
watched the end of the Baylor and Oklahoma game - a game worth watching. Thanks
heavens for ESPN 3 and the ability to watch the game I choose to watch. Sure,
I kept track of the Y's game... but really, was there any suspense to who was
going to win that one?As long as BYU puts on a show that has limited
to no national importance, all this discussion is moot. Play a real schedule,
independent or affiliated, and people will watch and care.