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  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 17, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    Why does the DesNews keep linking to the Bleacher Report? This article was written by a college student, not a sports writer! It is as much news as any other fan's blog.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Because ESPN hasn't put their daily "Big East expansion" artice out there to be linked to, perhaps?

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    The Big Weak was not that great before their best teams defected. I see adding Boise State a serious plus for football but everyone else simply isn't that exciting.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Even though I would be perfectly OK with staying independent, I have thought for several months that joining up with the Big East would be a good thing for BYU. The Big East area is an area BYU needs to gain greater exposure to and joining the Big East conference would be a good fit. The previous Big East conf. has changed alot with all the defectors but it would still be a good fit and actually make BYU's chances of getting to a BCS bowl or a Championship bowl easier. Winning, one loss or zero losses are necessary and even though the teams aren't what they were a yr ago it is still a good thing. I hope it happens.

  • neimfrence layton, ut
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    PAC12FAN,

    The Big East defectors (Pitt, Syracuse, WVU) have only represented the conference in their BCS game once out of the last five years. The better teams are still there.

    The Big East is not the PAC-12, but it is a conference that BYU might win once in a while. It is a good fit for BYU, in that it is a challenge equal to their abilities.

    Utah keeps claiming they are improving as their recruiting is upgraded by having the "BCS badge". Does this only apply to Utah and not every other school that joins a BCS conference? Though I doubt BYU will experience a huge recruiting bump due to their limitations, they certainly will be able to retain more top LDS athletes that otherwise would have defected to BCS badged teams.

    The Big East has always been the lowest tier BCS league. The new version still will be, but they will be better and more interesting than before.

  • sly_spy Oceanside, CA
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    Here is another reason to join the Big East: Recruiting! Most of BYU's recruits are from the western states. Consistent TV exposure in the Big East markets should expand recruiting potental to the East and to the South.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    it is only time before byu would add the other sports....bball? not a bad conference either

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    Boy, local BYU fans can look forward to road trips to Boise and Colorado Springs. Rather than bringing home some fireworks from Wyoming or some chips from Las Vegas I guess bringing home a big sack of Idaho potatoes will go well in the food storage.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Nov. 17, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    "Utah keeps claiming they are improving as their recruiting is upgraded by having the "BCS badge". Does this only apply to Utah and not every other school that joins a BCS conference? Though I doubt BYU will experience a huge recruiting bump due to their limitations, they certainly will be able to retain more top LDS athletes that otherwise would have defected to BCS badged teams."

    Scout ranks Utah's current recruiting class in the high sixties. This is despite being invited to an AQ conference and BYU experiencing a down year. As a side note BYU's class is ranked in the low thirties.

    The truth is, name recognition of the school means the most in recruiting. USC and UCLA have it. They recruit well in down years. The rest of the PAC 12 does not.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    Dutchman | 1:32 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Murray, UT
    "Rather than bringing home some fireworks from Wyoming or some chips from Las Vegas I guess bringing home a big sack of Idaho potatoes will go well in the food storage."

    ===

    Showing your sports IQ Dutch.

    Going to games to buy potatoes, and not watch the teams play?

    Stretching for smack, eh?

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Re: fresnogirl "Why does the DesNews keep linking to the Bleacher Report? This article was written by a college student, not a sports writer! It is as much news as any other fan's blog." If that is the case, dude is pretty much spot on! I'd love the DN to be as insightful and offer similar constructive criticism. "San Diego State is good against the bottom half of the Mountain West, and BYU is inconsistent and cant consistently beat the top teams in the major conferences." That SDSU is even being considered is beyond laughable. School & "talent" on the field can't even attract 25K fans on a consistent basis, even with students getting in for free! I love my Cougs, but, when have we "consistently beat top teams? Sometimes the truth hurts. Lets go, Cougs, against . New Mexico State?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas,

    Road trips indeed! Utah has a road trip every year to LA. Every other year to the bay area, Phoenix and sometimes to Seattle. Lets see, BYU road trips to Boise, Colorado Springs and then if you can endure the travel, all the way to Louisville or Houston. Those roadies sure look enticing to me. I understand their situation and the fact that BYU needs to do what it needs to do but for BYU apologists to suggest that they want a schedule that takes them all over the country is disingenuous to the local fans who would like to travel to road games but going to Boise and Colorado Springs would not wet my appetite for places to visit. Sorry, no offense intended to anyone.

  • neimfrence layton, ut
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    PAC12FAN,

    The Big East defectors (Pitt, Syracuse, WVU) have only represented the conference in their BCS game once out of the last five years. The better teams are still there.

    The Big East is not the PAC-12, but it is a conference that BYU might win once in a while. It is a good fit for BYU, in that it is a challenge equal to their abilities.

    Utah keeps claiming they are improving as their recruiting is upgraded by having the "BCS badge". Does this only apply to Utah and not every other school that joins a BCS conference? Though I doubt BYU will experience a huge recruiting bump due to their limitations, they certainly will be able to retain more top LDS athletes that otherwise would have defected to BCS badged teams.

    The Big East has always been the lowest tier BCS league. The new version still will be, but they will be better and more interesting than before.

  • JDS1 St George, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    As a football fan first, I hate the BYU - Idaho / Idaho State type of match ups. They're boring and do nothing to increase BYU's status within the spectrum of the NCAA. Playing Boise, Houston and Louisville every year is much better than a couple of really good games at the first of the season and then a bunch of weak games. As an independent, playing a weak schedule will not go away, the Y needs to get into a BCS conference. That is the only way they will get their program to the top tier of Division 1.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    Dutchman

    BYU has road trips to Malibu, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Clara, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Moraga, and Honolulu scheduled this year, but thanks for your, um, very "insightful" travel advice.

    Be sure to pick up some apples when you're in Pullman this weekend.

    btw, I'll take Colorado Springs over Boulder anyday -- it's much more scenic.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence and TrueBlue,

    Talk about spin moves. We are talking football here and not basketball. The reference is to BYU joining the Big East in football. We are not talking about the WCC. Counter Intelligence, you must be part of the 1%. I am so glad that you are that well off. The definition of a road trip for most college football fans is one you can drive too. I made specific reference in my attempt at "humor" to the local BYU fans. I realize BYU has fans just about everywhere but I don't consider fans on the east coast as local fans. You guys get so easily bent out of shape it makes it fun. LOL

    Do those apples come in sacks or bushels?

  • cougarNV Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 17, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    I completely Agree with the Comments by Fresno Girl and TrueBlue.

    Go Cougars!!!!!!!

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    PAC-12 > Big Least

    I thought you boys wanted Indpendence. You flip flop more often than John Kerry or Obama.

  • Robert Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 17, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Don't do it! It's an unnatural fit with teams no Cougar fan cares about.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Trueblue-

    "Be sure to pick up some apples when you're in Pullman this weekend."

    That's a good one. Nicely played my friend.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Nov. 17, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    Dckhunter, much of the debate here was around the strength of the Pac 12 and relative strength of the Big East. While I do think the Big East is viable longterm if they get everyone they're targetting (all seven), I personally think 2013 is an indication that scheduling will continue to improve so I'd like BYU to stay Independent.

    That being said, if superconferences are to form BYU could end up in trouble if not already associated with an AQ league. So, I understand why there is enthusiasm for such a move.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter | 3:54 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Alpine, UT

    PAC-12 > Big Least

    I thought you boys wanted Indpendence. You flip flop more often than John Kerry or Obama.

    ===

    Personally, I thought it was pretty clear.

    It does require taking the hater's glasses off to understand. (Good luck with that when your posting handle is "Duckhunter Hunter"... I can understand the obsession with BYU, but with another poster?)

    BYU wants exposure. If that comes through independence, or part of an AQ conference, what do you even care?

    Independence gave BYU control of their own destiny, and it seems like they have it pretty well in hand.

    Between you claiming flip-flop, and Dutch's "humor", it seems like the smack just doesn't seem to bite quite as much as you kids thought it would.

    Speaking of Dutchman, way to whine about travel, and then call "just kiddin" when bounces off the wall right back at you.

    You threw it out, let it come back.

    Humor?

    Come on...

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    VA -

    My point is germane and seems to bother you. I like it!

    When Utah got the invite you claimed that Independence was better. Now that you might be getting into a BCS conference, you're getting all excited about the BCS conference (i.e. leaving Independence, a status you claimed to prefer, in the dust).

    You flip flop like John Kerry. How do you not understand the point? It's not complicated and I spelled it out for you (twice now).

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    @Dutchman

    I go on on road trips to watch the game, the rest is secondary. But most of the places in the Big east are places I have never been or have seldom been. Sure after a few years they would become familiar but most of them are interesting places.

    But if that is what utah "fans" are reduced to, "our destinations are better than your destinations" then you really don't have much to brag about.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    @duckhunter hunter fesenko articuno hondo 54-10 noblepromise etc.

    I do prefer independence. "Better" is subjective. There are definately positives, and negatives, to both of them. I know the popular opinion, especially among utah "fans" like yourself that follow a program that doesn't have any choice and can only survive if they are propped up in a conference of schools superior to themself, is that being in a conference is better, but utah "fans" really don't have any frame of reference. They are simply hangers on and that is all they know and will ever know. Only those who follow a team that can go it alone can ever really make that distinction and actually have a true opinion on it. All utah "fans" have is conjecture and it is extremely weak conjecture at that.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 17, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader

    I haven't read a whole lot (outside of the San Diego paper) mentioning SDSU as part of this deal. They don't seem like they would add a ton of strength to the schedule (although I'd drive down to see the game). Besides, if they came along, who would Fresno State play?

    We'll see what actually happens when all is said and done. Until then, it's anyone's guess. No one seems to be mentioning the "Super Conference" idea that seemed to occupy everyone's minds earlier this Fall. Has that gone away?

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Nov. 17, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    TrueBlue | 3:08 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011

    Be sure to pick up some apples when you're in Pullman this weekend.

    Lentils, actually...not an apple tree within 20 miles of Pullman, believe it or not. :)

    (Freshman year of college spent 8 miles from Pullman at the U of Idaho...)

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    Holmoe and bunch will make a few more demands and drag their feet for another month just like they did with the big 12 untill the big east gets sick of them also. Oh well, I found my snowmobile suit and I'm excited for Saturday night. Go cougars

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    Pac12fan

    "I see adding Boise State [Texas, Oklahoma, etc.] a serious plus for football but everyone else simply isn't that exciting."

    Funny, that's the exact same thing the Pac10 boys were saying a couple of summers ago.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter | 4:54 p.m. Nov. 17, 2011
    Alpine, UT
    "VA -

    When Utah got the invite you claimed that Independence was better."
    ===
    Who is "you"?

    Getting the games on TV is better.

    If AQ gives that with shot at BCS game and more television money, keeping the national exposure, would that not be better?

    ESPN is better than KJAZZ, or do you disagree?

    Independence, or AQ conference doesn't matter. Whatever is best for BYU is the way they will go. As circumstances change, options change, and decisions change.

    BYU is not locked into one desperate "invite" to decide their future.

    What about that do you you not grasp?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    After hearing about changes coming to the BCS. I officially endorse BYU going to the Big Least!
    Perhaps Boise St. will think twice about joining a conference now that most likely will be without AQ status.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    KJZZ is a one year solution What as out that do you not grasp?

    PAC -12 is better than independence or the Big Least!

    Byu fans are imitating John Kerry. It's hilarious!

  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    That would be great if BYU is extended an invitation to the Big East, if the BCS system for the BCS bowls stays the same with automatic qualifer method and BCS ranking system. As independence isn't helping BYU, when a majority of its 2011 football schedule are teams from the Football Championship Subdivision (FCS). I'm not sure if Big East will extend or BYU will accept the invitation, especially when BYU is scheduling more FCS teams than BCS teams in the next 3 years. If BYU elects to stay independent than at least schedule teams from conferences that have teams ranked in the top 25. Otherwise BYU will see themselves excluded from the higher payed bowls, no ranking, and lower revenues from football tickets.

    BYU was on ESPN this year, yet BYU game day ticket sales are lower, as its very notice able on tv? So tv exposure didn't help ticket sales as fans watch the game based upon the opponent and not because of tv exposure.