Fall and early pre season snow can disrupt the snow pack and cause depth hoar
crystals to form. Depth hoars are faceted crystals that form weak layers near
the ground and can be super-unstable for the snowpack as it builds up over a
season. Please be safe out there this season.
Please skiers and snowboarders, adhere the warnings, they're there for your
safety. It's not just you who suffers the consequences, please think about
those around you and rescuers, who put their lives in danger to save you. Let's
all be sensible and safe this season. No family wants the heartache that Mr
Pierre's family is going through. They have my condolences.
Rest in Peace Jamie, you were fun to watch.
So sorry about Jaime's death. There are some concerns I have though
about saying:"There is no avalanche control being done,"
Hoyal said, noting that skiers and snowboarders could be cited for trespassing
for being on the mountain.Clearly there is no avalanche control
being done pre season, and there are back country conditions that exist. We
accept that risk. While accidental death is tragic there is a lot of life being
lived up in our mountains.Most of the ski resorts want to expand and
take over more back country areas. Threatening "us" with citations,
like it is "Private Property", is not going to help fulfill their
goals. Even when avalanche control is done inside the resort
boundaries, that doesn't guarantee safety. These are mountains, and therefore
inherently dangerous. When people get hurt at a resort they feel entitled to
sue somebody. They think they are at Disneyland and everything is controlled.
They need to be aware of, and accept the danger.Thank to all the
resorts for letting us ski on "YOUR" mountain and hopefully all the
ski areas will remain "open" for back county access.Let it
The trespassers should ALL be cited and they should ALL be charged with the bill
when rescuerers all called.
Ms Molli: Most ski areas sit on National Forest property. For the most part they
can only limit what happens on their permitted area while they are open for the
season. I can certainly go hike the runs at Snowbird any time during the summer
without them having any jurisdiction to cite me. The taxpayers own it.Alta
is a perfect example. Anyone can hike and ski or board the runs pre and post
season, it should be perfectly legal. Riders must accept the risk of avalanches
but they certainly shouldn't be cited.
@Bass, then don't rescue them as that should be part of the risk. We can't have
people using the ski areas that are not yet open, have no avalance protection in
place, have signs posted re no trespassing, and then have risk takers using them
and expecting public/private resources to pay to rescue them.
@Molli, most search and rescue teams are voluntary and therefore require very
little of your tax dollars. RIP Thank you to all the SAR
(in this case recovery), you are definitely under appreciated here in Utah.
My condolences to the family. Jamie was a legend and will live on in memory.Can you believe Snowbird's attitude? A local world record-holding
legend dies in LCC and all the Bird can talk about is that he was on their
land. I can hear him thinking "without paying." That is wrong.
Actually Mr. Pierre was in the national forest on public land using the public
mountains. Pretty scary attitude. Let's propose a new bill called
the Jamie Pierre Act that limits Ski resort expansion to its current levels and
re-grants the right to the public to use the public land.
Come on, give the guy a break! This guy was an extended family member to me and
I'm sure you would be speaking differently if he were related to you! He was a
professional who took some risks and paid the price. Maybe if we all had 4X4s
there would be fewer fatalities on the roads in severe snow storms. Do you want
to charge people fines if their Minivans don't have all wheel drive and they get
into a wreck? How about massive fines if you don't have snow tires 1/2 of the
year here in N. Utah?? Anybody for more government-imposed fines?
@Cammmy: I have a front drive car... I don't have snow tires. If the roads are
bad enough that I can't get traction, I stay home. If a blizzard warning is
called during the middle of the day, I go home. It costs me two, maybe 3 days of
work a year... which is a lot better than risking my life and my vehicle by
@ Cammy, I wouldn't expect people to risk their lives to come to the aid of
extreme risk takers, particularly if they were in an area they weren't supposed
to be in. My family is just that way -- we wouldn't expect others to put their
lives at risk when we decide to do something daring and stupid. And no one
should be in a "severe snow storm" if their vehicle cannot handle it
-- they are putting other lives at risk as well as their own.
Gotta say, I agree with EVERYTHING that Ms. Molli has said.