Here's an idea:Go spend all day and all night bettering your
financial situation instead of crying and blaming a rich guy for your failures
No way! No way any of these people would be drug users! I can't believe that!
You mean these people that have no jobs or nothing better to do than camp in our
parks and streets would be shady enough to do drugs there in the park? Wow, I'm
Can someone please point out the subtle differences between the 'Occupy' bunch
and Tea Partiers? Inquiring minds really want to know.Glad the
streets and parks are finally going to be cleaned up. What a pathetic attempt of
nothing this was.By their fruits ye shall know them.
So, it took a death for the police to decide that they OWS camping had gone on
long enough? Pathetic. I'm all for an individual excercising their right to
voice their opinion, but the OWS movement will go down as one of the all-time
biggest blunders of trying to excercise that right. They'd denounce corporate
greed and talk about how those with money were running and ruining their lives,
and then sit down on their Iphones/Ipads/Laptops and blog about how much they've
accomplished. (Which wouldn't have taken very long to do.) They'll go back to
their lives and shop at Wal-mart and eat at McDonalds, and buy clothes at the
malls and never understand that while they're cause was noble, it was totally
devoid of any legitimate chance of changing anything because they weren't even
sure what it was they were trying to do or how to effectively organize a
movement. Camping and complaining in public accomplishes nothing except bad
press and gets you free food from the homeless shelter. Individually, they'd
have done more for themselves by spending that time and effort looking for a
better job or volunteering somewhere. What a waste....
There is a huge difference between the 'occupy' bunch and tea partiers. First,
the 'occupy' bunch wants the government to give them more and intervene in
business more. The tea partiers want the government less in their lives and to
also stay away from businesses - intervening less.Second, there is
not a single example of drug use, rapes, or illegal activities associated with
the tea partiers. With the 'occupy' bunch, there is evidence of drug use,
rapes, and many examples of illegal activities - such as occupying parks after
dark and more than 10% increases in crime around areas where occupations have
taken place.Do you want more examples? I can give more!
It is a shame that folks have had to die before the local authorities, namely
Chief Burbank, realized this kind of assembly is simply dangerous.It
looks like occupier deaths and suicides are becoming popular nationwide.
my condolences for the deceased...
Death, rape, drugs, theft, every manner of filth, etc., is par for the course
for these Obamavilles. What do you expect when the country's most decadent
navel-gazers get together?
If the Occupy folks really want to be effective they should be campaigning their
respective states to call for a new Constitutional Convention. The Federal Govt.
is rotten with greed and corruption and in need of a major overhaul.
It's about time that these 'occupy' people are leaving the park. The city has
worked hard on cleaning up Pioneer Park from the homeless and the druggies and
then these protesters moved in, without any real purpose or plan of action. I
mean I support the right of people to demonstrate and express their opinion. I
am even in favor of expressing some anger towards blood-thirsty bankers who
enjoy making risky business decisions without the willingness to pay the price
when things go wrong. But in all this demonstrating there must be a
purpose, an agenda and some kind of reasonable goal. These people however, dont
have a unified goal; they dont have a real purpose. They just camp in the park
and want people to give them handouts. Thats not a protest, that is a homeless
camp. And that is why it needed to go.However, using the death of a camper
who died from carbon monoxide poisoning as a reason is a just a convenient
excuse. Otherwise the police would have to clear-out every hunting camp as there
are people dying from carbon monoxide poisoning every year during the elk hunt.
I can tell you the big difference between the OWS mess and the TEA Party
rally's. The OWS crowd was able to carry on like a bunch of spoiled fools, for
well over a month, while breaking all the rules and laws of public organizing
and safety. They promoted a lot of filthy, unhealthy, criminal, and dangerous
conditions with their mindless activities and protests. The rest of us, and the
local governments, sat by and let it go on, because of political correctness.
You know politcal correctness? That little issue or circumstance where the
silent majority lets the VOCAL minority get their way, no matter the level of
stupidity, because they are more vocal. Anyhow, if this would have been the TEA
party rallying for more then 2 days, they would have been shut down, arrested
and sent on their way. Thats the difference!
Please flee all the way to Mexico and don't ever come back until you pursue
nobler causes than the occupy rubbish will ever even come closer to being!
This can be laid at the feet of the police chief, the mayor, and the president!
They all supported this, they gave into the filth and the dirt and the drugs and
everything else that has gone on in these "camps". This property does
not just belong to the police and the mayor and the city, it belongs to the
people who pay the taxes. And yes, counter intelligence - if they can't
see the difference they were looking in another direction. The Tea Party people
left the places cleaner than when they arrived anjd they arrived during the day
and left before night fall. There was no camping, no drugs, and they showed
respect to the police and didn't call them pigs, as the protestors have done.
It's about time they were cleared out.By the way, drove past this
morning a huge contingency of police, tv crews etc., wondered what had happened.
Sad for the fellow who died, but it could've been predicted!
Chief Burbank, the only law east of the Jordan River.Who allowed overnight
camping where no such ordinance exists? Chief Burbank.Seriously, on what
basis did he issue camping permits at Gallivan and Pioneer?Then again, it
is Chief Burbank. His position on illegal aliens is equally disturbing.I
hope a lawsuit comes of his unilateral violation of the law.
Is this the same Chris B that spends almost all of his time bashing BYU. This is
the first rational thing you've said......I believe we've found common ground.
LoveTheNews posted:However, using the death of a camper who died from
carbon monoxide poisoning as a reason is a just a convenient excuse.I think you unfair. How is someone strung out on drugs suppose to recognize
CO2 poison amongst the other symptoms? Good move on part of Salt
Lake City police.
Hands off the Occupiers. The death had nothing to do with them. I'm amazed at
how many people can be duped into supporting the ruling class.
@Chris BWow, I am in agreement with Pugman, first time I have ever
agreed with you. If Occupy SLC thinks they are going to change a National issue
by sleeping in tents hanging around doing nothing but causing an eyesore, then
in all their time there they haven't learned anything. The camping will do
nothing to help their cause.
Death, rape, drugs, theft, every manner of filth, etc., is par for the course.
What do you expect when the country's most decadent navel-gazers get together?
And I thought he was talking about the people elected to the white
house.....Isn't it better we sit in our houses and think how much
better we are and we watch things like the GOP debates conducted in well lit
auditoriums in front of tv cameras with moderators. And they interview men who
have taken jobs away from thousands, they interview adulterers who are now
running for president of this country, they ask questions of someone who has
paid women not to prosecute him. As long as we sanitize our
interests and stop the hooligans who have an issue with wall street and do not
have a way to communicate it other than to give of their time as they may have
little else to give.What about the mote in our eye?Taxes
are paid to build roads, schools and bridges. IN USA taxes go to corrupt
bankers and wall street companies. If you have an issue with that complain or
camp out, but you should take issue with it.
The Occupy Wall Street protests occurring around the country will continue to
advance in other ways. We're not giving up on the message that Wall Street
needs to be reigned in and kept out of politics. Oh, also, Obama's
going to win 4 more years, and we're going to get the House back. My prediction.
Re: SLCBob,The death had nothing to do with the occupiers?
Seriously? The man who died WAS ONE OF THEM! And preliminary reports say he died
of carbon monoxide poisoning and drugs. If true, then it's only validation that
the rest of them should have to pack up and leave, that they're only a burden on
society, on those that work hard and actually contribute something!
The vast majority of occupiers left the park weeks ago.They left
their tents, however, to create the illusion of occupation.
This incident is a throw-back to the '60's, where sex, drugs and rock-and-roll
were the big anti-establishment mantra. Is it really different now or did we
expect to see anything different. History just repeats itself.
It's about time. What a disgraceful protest. Shame on city leaders that it took
someone to die before they took action.
Right, as if any of you care what happens in Pioneer Park! I agree with the
occupiers that no one would have known about this man's death if they had not
been there. The homelessness and drug dealing was never eradicated from Pioneer
Park! Sheeple, sheeple, come on, why are you so bitter at the bunch of people
trying to exercise their freedom of assembly and speech rights? If you want to
remain ignorant to everything going on around you, that is your choice, you have
every right to exercise it. These people (occupiers), on the other hand, want to
let the government know that they are not happy the way things are. Oh, by the
way, staying home and voting obviously has not worked for decades now because
the choices have been corrupted and bought out by corporations. Vote for Romney
and you vote for McDonald's and the ongoing mistreatment of animals because of
the massive food production it forces on American farming. Watch Food. Inc. and
tell me what's going on in this country is not horrible. At least the occupiers
are trying to change something, anything, I am grateful for their efforts on my
Becker, Rocky, Burbank ALL supported these protestors.....right up until someone
died......I hope this family sues the city for millions, that ought
to get the Mayor and SLC to wise up!
Most people on this comment board are supporting facism. They also act like
there are jobs everywhere but in reality, theres not. 20% or more are unemployed
because there are no jobs. Of course the they don't report this number of
unemployed because not all of this can recieve unemployment anymore. I think most people don't even believe how in deep our economy is in it right
now unless they hear from some establishment clown like Romney or Obama.
Perhaps getting some education (being able to formulate proper sentences) might
help give your cause some credence. I do not see what camping on the streets,
destroying public and private property, holding drug fest and sexual orgies will
do to change Wall Street. The really rich are probably conducting business from
home while the people you are making miserable are those who are just middle
class secretaries, public servants and officers of the law who are required to
uphold the laws YOU have endorsed. How do you change deep inbred deceit,
dishonesty, corruption? Certainly not camping out. Pardon me, but it seems
that the biggest problem here needs to rectified by.....gasp... a true come to
Jesus moment. When we act like Him, there wouldn't be all this mess. And which
of your number would you run for president to solve things?
Oh how worthless it was to throw all that good tea away. What good did it do
when today's "tea partyer's" don't support another citizen's right to
protest and free assembly. How easy it is to call them names. The original tea
party participants were called traitors , and they started a revolution with
real guns and many deaths.Today's tea partyers don't recognize that the fruits
andaction(s) of their "namesakes" are still necessary today.
The Occupy Movement is participating in the process. They have shaped the
discussion and brought light to some significant issues. In that way they are
very much like the tea-partiers. And, like the tea-partiers, there is not a
complete consensus on their message and, yes, both groups have fringe
members.Do you believe that the growing gap between the haves and
have-nots is healthy for America? Why is it that our history shows that we were
strongest, happiest and most productive when the middle class was thriving and
when upward mobility was more than a slogan?While the Occupiers may
not offer much in solutions, starting the discussion is a worthy objective and
result.Unfortunately, it seems that many if not most on this thread
have listened to their favorite hate-radio and distortion news stations to come
to conclusions that are not representative of the facts. This
country is on a path that is looking more and more like India...and that is a
Tragic that this has happened. The OWS movement has been heading south for a
while, and it's too bad that they have not allowed themselves leadership and
organization. They have some important issues to bring forward, but their
unwillingness to organize is undermining their cause and doing harm.
>Most people on this comment board are supporting facism.That's
right. We all believe in faces. I support the movement to promote faces. I think
everyone should have a face.
The man was an adult and made fatal decisions -- this is not OWS's fault. Such
things happen in our own neighborhoods, but we don't ban people from living on
their own. The eviction is political, not about public safety.
It's only wrong if your not a tea partier or a republican.
Christy and Speed66: I've responded to your nonsense posts but the sensitive
censors won't allow it.Suffice it to say the both of you are so
wrong in all your comments.
There are many different groups represented in the OWS - the unemployed,
students, veterans, teachers, nurses, chefs, and many other working people.
They are not hippies or druggies!Many homeless, street persons and
town drunks have been directed to the OWS camps, sometimes by law enforcement
officers, perhaps hoping to bring down the protests. But no one
has been turned away by OWS. They try in whatever way they can to help the
down-trodden and share what they have with them. OWS will not stop.
They will keep shining the light on the Wall Street corruption of our
A larg number of posters on this news vine are not familure with the U.S.
Constitution and local laws. The 1st Amendment says Congress shall make no law
an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people
peaceably to assemble, (inpart)Throwing rocks and bottles at police
and screaming, yelling and cursing is not free speech or peaceable assembly and
is in violation of local laws and should be arrested and jailed.Every thing I've read about the OWS's makes them outlaws and should be treated
Christy,Obama getting 4 more years and the dems getting back the
house would be absolutely horrible for America. The Occupy (Fill in City here)
protests are ridiculous and if you people get your way America will be
permanently ruined. Thank goodness most Americans seem to realize how ridiculous
you people are.
It's this kind of mentality that makes me fear another four years of BO. It
seems civilizations can't tolerate much more than two hundred years of life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Greed, ignorance, and immorality takes
@Deborah,You are right there are many different groups at OWS. WE have
the Socialist group ACORN now doing business as the NYCC since they have lost
Gov't funding for questionable practices. Their cover was blown by Fox News.
The Socialist SEIU first proposed an Occupuy movement months ago. The
Anti-Capitalist Michael Moore was welcomed with open arms as a keynote speaker
as well as other radicals who have now hopped on their bandwagon.
The biggest difference in the OWS and tea parties events is that Obama
engineered the OWS to be his mindless followers to tax the rich. Hence the hands
off notification the CIA or NSA issued to local law enforcement to allow the OWS
carry on its march and protest on the rich. That is the only purpose of the OWS,
to tax the rich more by pretending to have a civil cause endorsed by or created
by our president. All the original individuals of the march in NY have
disappeared when news and police tried to identify the individuals. This is An
orchestrated event to put americans in a class war.That's why no one
knows what or why this protest is being called. The poor, the unemployed, and
homeless street urchins have been given an unfounded cause and a place to meet
and greet without police interference or harassment. It was only a matter of
time before deaths and drugs entered the marches becasue of the elements of
society was initially designed to attract.After an initial group
evolved the socialist greedy would jump on the band wagon to demand their share
of others successes.
Long ago President John Kennedy (One reason he was murdered?) warned of
"secret societies." Unfortunately those clandestine organizations are
international in scope and are much more powerful than the hub of American
capitalism symbolized by "Wall Street." Moreover, in Cleon Skousen's
book "The Naked Capitalist" the story of the international banking
cartel is told in greater detail- especially with regard to the Federal Reserve
System. The Occupy Wall Street movement is therefore misguided.
Worse, there is within its structure a socialist "gimme something for
nothing" element that would further weaken America if successful.In contrast, the Taxed Enough Already and Constitutional Conservatives
generally realize that our Constitution (as President Ezra Taft Benson sternly
warned us) now "hangs by a thread." The international banking cartel
(which does not include our community banks) threatens us all with their desire
for a unified global government commonly referred to as the New World Order. The
banking syndicate (along with our corrupt federal government, the global
communists, extreme Islamists and the drug lords of Mexico) represents the
primary threat to our national security- not US corporations which help provide
American jobs. Answer? Reform our federal government and then
eliminate the non-federal Federal Reserve.
They shouldn't have been allowed to camp there in the first place. Should have
been gone weeks ago.
Conservative Veteran | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 11, 201Layton, UT I got news for you if
the Tea Party had their way our sr. would be out on the streets. They want to
take away our S.S. which we paid in to all our working lifes and they wont to
keep our money and give nothing back that we paid. If the tea
party had their way we would have 100,000 of people on the streets because they
have no money and they, the Tea Party and the rest of the thieves in our
Government well take and take and take they get the best pay and benefits and
complain about the money our SR.'s get and our retired military it took me 21
years to get 53 1/2% of my pay and I help pay for my medical and dental, our
government puts one 4 year term in office and they get 100% pay and 100% free
medical now you tell me who is fooling who and who it steeling from who?Wake up people our government is full of thieves and they care nothing
for us but them selifs.
@ Doug. I agree with you that taxes are paid to build roads, schools and bridges
and not to be given to bankers and Wall Street tycoons (corrupt or not), but who
gave them the bailout? We should be protesting the White House and congress.
Protesting wall street and banks is like blaming matches for arson or a pencil
for spelling errors!
I've never seen a thread of people so scared by a movement in my life. The
Occupiers have occupied your minds and you conscience and I think that's exactly
what they want. These kids are stronger than you and it scares you. And you
should be scared. Your tactic of toadying up to the 1% is being rejected by more
and more every day. Your candidate fumbled like a deer caught in the headlights
and couldn't remember what he was against in the Rep. debates last week. On Dead
to Red Tuesday--spurred by this great movement, Mississippi, Ohio, Maine and
Arizona were put in CHECK by the people. To you, who have probably never given
up a moment of comfort or sacrificed anything for anyone but yourself (certainly
not your country--that's what poor people's kids are for, right)--you had better
get with this movement, or scurry to the side before they bowl you over (at
which point, feel free to scurry back to the front, claiming to be a longtime
@doug"Taxes are paid to build roads, schools and bridges. IN USA
taxes go to corrupt bankers and wall street companies."Really?
You have proof of this? Corrupt bankers huh? Wall street companies huh? What
does that mean, a wall street company? The whole OWS movement is an
absolute joke. I fall under the 99% but i wish I could distance myself somehow
from them...oh wait, I can. I pay my taxes which puts me in the 53% category of
Americans who pay taxes. That leaves 47% of Americans that don't pay taxes.
Any guesses on what percent of the 99% make up the 47% of americans that don't
pay taxes? I don't have facts of this but I would bet that nearly 100% of those
protesters make up the 47% of non tax paying "americans." According to Doug my taxes go right into the hands of corrupt bankers. The
government finds the most corrupt bankers and writes them checks with tax payer
dollars. Makes sense if you DON'T think about it.
The only thing the Occupy Protesters did here and in New York, is public
defecation and Urination, along with breaking the law by camping in public
parks, and making a general nuisance of themselves, bad enough that they did not
know what they want nor how to get it. Burbank and Becker should be replaced by
a staff that know how to enforce the laws not ignore them to meet their own
leftist goals...Oh wait that is what Obama does with Immigration.
This is getting ridiculous. A man gets shot in Oakland, there have been reports
of rape, drugs, etc. and all Obama and his peeps can say is that they are in
support of this nonsense. This is dangerous in many ways. I really do
not feel bad for these people one bit. Boo hoo, they don't have a job that pays
millions of dollars; other people do. How unfair! Heaven forbid you
actually go apply your skills and work up the ranks like a lot of people have
done in this country.
Let me explain the differences between the Occupy crowd and the tea partiers.Many of the Occupy Crowd don't have homes to go to after a rally. They
have tried to better themselves, but are against a slippery slope and a
government that wants them to stay where they are at. They DON'T want
government handouts, they want fairness. They want representatives that have
people's interests in their legislation, not lobbyists.The Tea Party
wants all the benefits of government, but doesn't want to pay for them. They
are happy to drive on Federal roads, eat food that is inspected by the FDA, be
protected by the military, have a safe environment, etc. They are the epitomy
of selfishness and greed. They would like to make a complex issue simple by
blaming the poor and the hungry, but won't admit any possibility that the
current system is operated solely for the benefit of the one percent. They
believe in shared sacrifice so long as it is not them and they believe in
compromise as long as they get all of what they want.They trivialize
desperate people in desperate situations. What about, there but the grace of
God go I?
Wildcat That is the most distorted piece of writing I have ever
seen. The tea party does want to pay for the things they use. The
government has taxed us to the roof and we can't pay anymore. There are 47% of
Americans who don't pay any taxes and they still receive benefits. We are sick of the government interfering with everything we do. Once we pay
for our house, we have to pay the government to live there, we have to pay for
our own property that we legally buy, there is a tax on inheritance if my dad
dies and leaves something to me, there is a government mandate to pay into
Obama's healthcare, there is a tax for making money, there is a tax to pay for
social security which I will never see, etc. I will pay the
necessary amount to keep my country safe and running, but I refuse to pay for
the person who does nothing to contribute to this country.
At first, I thought that, "We", as Americans NEEDED this to happen,
but rules have been broken. (1) No violence - either side. (2) No deaths. I
support the protesters all the way, but one person involved in the Occupy
Protest broke a rule, they died. "We", as Americans can not allow this
to happen. Please, "Think" again.
a minor distraction for the moment. one dead, yet thousands remain involved in
something, whatever that 'something' is, we may never know. much like so many of
these folks, any mundane reason to 'party' and, boom, everyone wants 'in' on the
party. too much spare time on their hands? too much discretionary spending money
at hand? even poor folks (i mean the really POOR, not this bunch) know better
than to squander their time annoying the snobby wealthy and mess up a place. if
they have money to BLOW on drugs/space heaters, then they ain't poor, then
they're just stupid. oops, did i offend some people? so sorry. if
they want to effect any sort of impact on the snobby wealthy, they need to
organize. but that might cause HSA/feds to label them as some kind of national
threat. (don't put anything past the snobby wealthy types, believe you me!)
after all, it's so easy to 'buy people' when you have lots of money.
I agree that these demonstrators should be camping on their senators and and
representatives lawn, but the corruption in government will not be fixed with a
constitutional convention. We have both elected and unelected officials who are
flat out disregarding the constitution.The President is sworn, by
the oath of office, to uphold the constitution. He stated several times that he
doesn't like the constitution, and it is clear that his primary effort is to
work around the constitution AND the congress itself, removing them from the
constitutional process of making laws. A constitutional convention
is dangerous due to the fact that once convened, nothing is off limits. There
are thousands with political power and position who want to "fundamentally
change" this great country and would exert arm-twisting influence to remove
the limits the constitution places on government. The constitution does not
"give" us rights. Those rights are inherent; they are not
"given" to us by government. The bill of rights says that the
government may NOT infringe on those rights that are imbued in us by our
creator. What we need is moral people in office.
DN, why won't you post this?No matter what nonsense the right wing
media is telling you about the Occupy protesters around the country, we are
stronger than the lies and misrepresentations. We are made up of veterans,
teachers, nurses, students, grandmothers, pilots, laborers and business owners.
Whether you like it or not, we represent you and the raw deal you're receiving
at the benefit of the very most wealthy, who all the rules are made for.As someone mentioned, the camps draw homeless and destitute people who
inhabit every city in America. These people are not turned away. They're not
ridiculed. They are fed. Idiot provocateurs and anarchists exist,
but to be sure, they are the fringe of any movement. And if
protesters aren't allowed to camp out in public places any longer, they will
find new and better ways to occupy. You'll see. And as
far as people doubting that Obama will win another term, all I can say is look
at the competition. Just look at them. They are the weakest, most ridiculous,
out of touch group of candidates who have ever run. Maybe the Republicans can
get it together for 2016. But I don't know.
@ ChristyLove your comments. "Wall Street needs to be out of
politics", and "Obama gets four more years", and last but not
least "the house goes back to the Democrats".Where do I begin?
Obama bailed Wall Street out and they were his biggest contributors,no other
President history has had closer ties to Wall Street than him, that is a fact.
AND YOU WANT HIM RE-ELECTED? The next thing you need to get up to speed
on is the Democratic controlled House under the scary tutelage of Dodd and
Frank, they are the ones who forced banks to five loans to those who couldn't
afford it making the Wall Street and bank bailouts in the first place!!! What in
the world is your point? Your comments make about as much sense as the whole OWS
movement in general and that is NO SENSE!
I agree with the guy who said "Occupy SLC is putting a spotlight on
untreated mental health issues, substance abuse, homelessness, and poverty in
our community."Nationwide we are seeing a lot of the Occupy
movement exhibiting symptoms.
CJ,Sorry, but it was Bush who bailed out Wall Street, not Obama.As far as Wall Street's choice for President? Thanks to new
regulations, it's not Obama.Employees of Goldman Sachs -- which has
been scrutinized for its role in the 2008 financial crisis and was forced to pay
a record $550 million settlement last year as part of a fraud case involving one
of the firm's subprime mortgage products -- rank as Romney's No. 1 campaign
contributors.Goldman Sachs employees, along with their spouses, have
contributed $352,200 to Romney, according to the center's research. That's more
than seven times the amount they've given to Obama.Additionally,
Bank of America -- which has recently drawn ire from politicians, including
Obama, for its proposed fee on debit cards -- has similarly favored Romney with
its campaign contributions. BofA employees have donated $112,500 to Romney, with
$48,800 of that sum coming during the third quarter, according to the Center's
research.Bank of America ranks as Romney's No. 9 contributor, while
Romney has also received the most money among all the presidential candidates
from Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup.
The rich who are keeping us from being prosperous is the president and congress.
OWS doesn't have a clue! Obama is the friend of wall street and as said above
has received more money than any other pres. He has also spent more money in 3
years than every president combined. Just take a look at who he is giving money
to - his contributors - the people who gave him most of the money. They are
being rewarded royally.You know nothing about the Tea Party. It is made up
of people who have worked hard and long all their lives and are sick of the
government taking more and more from them. They are worried about obama care and
his death panels and don't think they are not there. They want their children to
grow up in a free country and are able to aspire to become whatever they want.
They are not wealthy. Most of them are just hard working, God fearing people.You should get to know them - maybe the Greatest Generation.Blame the
colleges for the cost of education and the government.Random thoughts -
rambling I know!