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Utah Compact helped turn anti-immigration tide in Arizona

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  • Watch Dog Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    The right thing to do? The right thing to do is -- follow the law! It is pretty simple, especially in this case.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Illegal: bad
    Legal: good

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    Bunch of baloney as usual,amnesty isn't going to fly this year, next year,or any other time.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Shurtleff is now looking for a job. I cannot think of any job that he is qualified for. Perhaps he can get more training at Salt Lake Community College.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Here is the truth on the matter:

    Liberal Democrat politicians need illegal immigration. The birth rate in the crowd attracted by Michael Moore is half the birth rate of conservative crowds.
    Motor Voter prohibits even asking if a person is here legally. If Liberals thought for one minute that illegal immigration was hurting them at the ballot box, it would end today.

    Big Business (usually lumped in with Republicans) want illegal immigrations. They want the cheep labor.

    Rank and file union members and conservatives want it to end. Union leadership and Liberal Democrats are one and the same (see lib. Politicians above).

    Religious leaders know many illegal aliens. The illegals that religious leaders know are good and decent people (they know them from church for crying out loud). They don't see the darker side of illegal immigration. Hence, religious leaders focus on the impact enforcement would have on those that they know.

    The average American wants this problem to end. It will only end when we stand up and vote the present crop elected officials out of office.

  • Pawps Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Chris B. for President!

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Here is the solution:

    1. We need a guest worker program where we allow a limited number of guest workers in for a limited time (say 3 to 5 years). They work with the understanding that any children born here are not citizens.
    2. There is a symbiotic relationship between illegal aliens and their employers. It is in the best interest of both to keep their mouths shut. We must create a hostile relationship between illegal aliens and their employers. We do this by offering a $10,000 reward to the first person (illegal or not) to turn in employers who employ illegal aliens without doing due diligence to screen them our. If the employer was negligent he gets hit with a $15,000 fine. $10,000 goes to the reward and the balance goes to finance the program. No employer would risk it.
    3. Make it illegal to rent housing to illegals. The penalty? The landlord has to refund all the rent. Nobody would risk it.

    Phase this in over a 12 month period so people can prepare.

    This program is compassionate (guest worker program), fair and self enforcing. All illegals would be forced to go home.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Russell Pearce was targeted as a symbolic repudiation of SB1070 by the left. It was an open election with overwhelming democrats and latinos voting to show their disdain for border control and restrictions to the free movement of latinos seeking a better life and income in Amexica.

  • RinAZ Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    I live in the district where Lewis just defeated Pearce. I have read what is in the news and there is a big difference between the two. Lewis believes and has said that illegals and their children should be allowed to pay in-state tuition costs for college. He is not anywhere near as strong against illegal immigration as the papers report. Many that live here do not think he understands what liberty is about as much as did Pearce. Now that he is elected we will watch and slowly see other elections around the country occur because liberals don't like the views of someone who understands liberty. It has nothing to do with civility.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    It's interesting that the Utah Compact is looking for a pat on the back when it has actually had absolutely no effect in finding a solution for our illegal immigration problem. The Utah Compact is one year old, yet Utah and the United States continues to be a free-for-all for those who wish to enter our country illegally.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    ALL civic minded Americans want their laws enforced. Otherwise why have laws at all? Why have borders if they're not enforced?

    ALL (or almost) all Americans would like their LEGAL neighbors to be able to get a job without having to compete with workers being pd. one half or less the prevailing wage.

    Between 70-80% (depending on who's numbers)of Americans want immigration laws enforced.

    Obviously Shurtleff and the rest of the "open borders" crowd think they have a "victory" with the defeat of ONE individual state Senator. States all over the country are STILL trying to do the job the feds WON'T DO.

    The "open borders" crowd has a lot of money behind their effort.

    But they DON'T have the support of LEGAL, LAW ABIDING citizens so their attempt at amnesty will ultimately fail.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    The basis of this story and its headline is incorrect. Arizona's latest polls show that the above 60% of respondents still strongly favor or favor support of Arizona's enforement law ushered through the legislature by Mr. Pierce. In fact, Mr. Lewis endorsed support of the law in his campaign and need to do this in order to make the successful challenge. Mr. Pierce's demise had much more to do with in party political unrest with his leadership and representation. And, his efforts to go even further in efforts to monitor and control illegal immigration and its impacts on Arizona. This article is not only inaccurate, but an effort to mislead as to what is going on with regards to illegal immigration in Arizona. The Utah Compact is simply a well worded document that supports the continued exploitation of poor people by politicians, businesses, and religions.

  • PA Rock Man Allentown, PA
    Nov. 10, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Those who just say "its just about following the law" are missing the point. If a law isn't working or isn't moral, we can change the law. That is what the discussion should be about, changing immigrations laws to something that actually works.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    Conservatives and Republicans need to remember these comments by Shurtleff. He runs as a republican because he knows he wouldn't win in his real party, the Democrats. When he doesn't get the UofU job, will he run for public office again, if so he needs to be defeated.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    When the Western culture that created America is swamped with those bringing with them a Third World culture, America as we know it will cease to exist. One thing we can be sure of is that these immigrants will overwhelmingly support any government action which transfers more wealth to them from those who have earned it. That is why the Democrats like them so much.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    Immigrating legally to the U.S. is among the easiest immigration processes in the world.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    @ "PA rock man"

    NO LAW works if it doesn't get enforced.

    Why pass a "different" law?

    IF the law really wasn't moral the American people would have already changed it. Americans, for the most part I think are quite fair. We DO HAVE a system of orderly immigration, but those who use it are made to feel like fools by those who just walk across the border.

    THATS not fair!

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Tide turning in favor of illegals? In your dreams....sad spin in this article

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    It's just amazing how the open borders crowd/liberal media all try to spin this like US citizens REALLY DO want out of control illegal immigration. SURE! Why wouldn't we want it? I mean, who wouldn't want out of control lawlessness, gangs, drugs, school and emergency room overcrowding, with millions of third world illegal citizens stealing identities, driving drunk on our roads, and taking every entry level job that our young people might need, Right?

    Reality is quite a different story, because the American people are sick and tired of illegal immigration and the problems it causes.

    Well at least we have some good news today, which is the fact that Shurtless is retiring from his AG position and from politics in general. He should become the director of LA RAZA, as I'm sure they love him.

  • eatwater SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Get a life Shurtleff. Until Shurtleff can accomplish something he has no credibility. It's funny how he always has to voice his political opinions but never has anything to say about the job he is paid to perform. Maybe because he never does anything as attorney general.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Another pathetic piece by the chief propogandist for illegal immigration in this state. You'll never change the opinion of the majority of Americans who want our laws upheld and accountability for those who break them, and who also recognize that compassion for cheap labor equates to no compassion for the unemployed.

    Shame on any business that hires an illegal rather than a hungry American. And shame on any church that claims we lack compassion because we want the rule of law, American sovereignty, protection of our borders, safe communities, etc.

  • Clinton King (Ephraim) Ephraim, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    I am in favor of amnesty for illegal immigrants.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    RINO Shurtleff = OBAMA!!

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Sorry Rock--I don't know of any big business that wants illegal immigration. They may want to pay labor that in proportion to the work they are doing but that is a whole different discussion.

    The moral thing to do is to enforce the laws we have now. I know I won't support or vote for anyone who voted for SB116.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    We should just make a law stating that illegals are entitled to any liberals wealth or anyone who wants illegals here. They are allowed to take over liberals homes, social security, jobs and will not be prosecuted. If they steal from anyone else they will be prosecuted.

    Simple, now the liberals are happy; and with a free ride at any liberal home they won't need to steal from people that work.

    Solution!

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    The ignorance and bigotry that have been displayed in many of these comments is positively appalling. Hopefully the racism and hatred that have hijacked so much of the Republican party will, as the article suggests, soon be seen as a passing fad. Then the party will again be able to focus on its core principles.

    Economic downturns are a part of life; they've happened around every five or six years throughout our nation's history. Every time one hits, lots of people irrationally think that isolationism is the solution- boycotting foreign goods, ending free trade, closing borders, turning back immigrants, etc. For a lot of US history these kinds of actions have been associated with the extreme left (leftist unions and the Socialist Party); it's odd to see these ideas hijacking the right side of the political spectrum.

    Thankfully reason has generally prevailed. Most of us who are here, including those railing against immigrants, are here because cooler heads prevailed and overturned the 1790&1795 Naturalization Acts, the Alien and Sedition Acts, the Emergency Quota Act, the National Origins Act, the Asian Exclusion Act, etc. Our unreasonable restrictions on Latin American immigration should soon follow.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Another story today Romneys Clunker. That describes the Utah Compact. Now that is a clunker. Shurtleff is full of it. I do not believe that any conservative will back any thing in it.

  • Casca Orleans, IN
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    Stop the assault on our nation for Democrats to grab votes, as they intentionally remain deaf, dumb and blind to illegal aliens voting or even aiding them. ACORN is a good example, of fraudulent registrations, absentee ballot applications and the Motor Voter forms. Each of us should wonder how many illegal aliens breached the Arizonas voting code, to recall state senator Russell Pierce. With a very large percentage of foreign nationals settled in that border state, it would be easy to compromise the lax voting restrictions? Anybody with a computer and color printer could fool the officials, with two pieces of paper as a forged utility or phone bill, with a name and address on it. Furthermore stop Republicans selling our country to the special interest lobbyists on K Street for campaign contributions and lucrative perks. NumbersUSA has the facts.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    The CON PACT is a farce on a grand scale. The majority of Utahns don't want any part of it. This article is yet another big lie in that it attempts to make it appear like the illegal alien outrage that is getting stronger every day is actually "softening". WRONG. Ask Rick Perry is he thinks being soft on illegals gets you very far nowadays. As for Mr.Shurtleff,, I was a delegate at the county convention this year and when he showed up he was about as popular as Nancy Pelosi and her big gavel at the Obamacare signing, he was booed and everyone was happy when he left. As a graduated of the U I hope they don't pick him to run the school as his record as attorney general speaks for itself.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Anti-immigration attitudes does not help illegal immigration solutions. It throws the baby out with the bath water. Good legal immigration policy and fairness to legal visitors and legal citizens is essential to solving illegal activity. The Utah Compact is the right way to do this.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    Good news. The tide is turning against the knee jerk reaction by conservatives to immigration. many comments on here just reaffirm what I already belive to be true. Predjudice and hate for people because they are poor have no place in a civil society. Lets start voting the right wing conservatives out in Utah.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    Prodicus - You are right on. It makes me sick when people comment on immigration as if it is illegal. Only illegal immigrants are illegal, stop the bias to legal (and helpful) immigration and US citizens that look like immigrants.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    The Rock "They work with the understanding that any children born here are not citizens."

    Then what are they? You can't deport someone to another country unless they are citizens of that country. How would you like Mexico to deport all of their illegal immigrants to the U.S.? If the country of the parents does not recognize the children born outside of their country, then what are they? Chinese Americans are not Chinese citizens. African Americans are not African citizens. They are only American.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    70% of Arizona still support the law.

    We have the right to enforce our immigration laws, just like every other country in the world. What right to people have to come here illegally, not obey our laws, and not stand in line to come legally? Where is their right and compassion to their fellow man?

    Do the poor have the right to steal from others?

    My relative in Mesa told me that the corruption in that area was out of control. That the vote was more for a general change for most people, than immigration related.

    The direction is South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama. Convenient how Shurtleff missed that.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 6:12 p.m.

    Will amnesty solve the illegal immigration problem. Will it stop us from having to go through this again in the future?

    Has rewarding illegal behavior ever solved the problem?

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    This is just pure propoganda. Shurtleff is losing my respect bit by bit with this nonsense.

    We have solid immigration law on the books. The problem is not the law, it is the lack of leadership and will to enforce that law.

    This is another situation where religious infuences are sticking their noses into civil law in such a way as to deprive LEGAL US citizens of their rights.

    Enforce the laws! Quit playing political games!

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    1 stupid town in Arizona and not knowing the facts of why he was voted out except for this propaganda and a handful of big heads in Utah's capital=chaos in Utah.

  • LawStudent55 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    Change the laws to support guest workers, bring them here legally and heavily fine any employer who hires undocumented workers. While we're at it, we can increase the numbers of immigrants that would like to immigrate to this country legally. We are all immigrants. Until we get a sound workable solution, we will have all of these racial, hate-driven comments that are remarkably similar to the Ku Klux Klan. It is really unfortunate that the right-wing conservatives in this state are so filled with hate against anyone who is not a white male. Pathetic...

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    Isn't it interesting that the Attorney General of the state, who is supposed to enforce the law, and that includes immigration laws, is running around patting himself on the back for looking the other way and NOT DOING HIS JOB? Does anyone else want to see this guy go away and never run for any office in this state again? What a farce this whole thing is.

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    This article belongs on the editorial page, not in the news section. Everyone knows the D-News position on illegals, but readers deserve better than this. Put pieces like this in the opinion section where they belongs.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    Prodicus Thank you for your excellent comments. Right on. I just went on line and signed the Utah Compact. All fair minded peoople should do the same. The propaganda that all undocumented immigrants are just here for welfare is ridiculous. The vast majority are here working low paying service sector jobs and illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare in Utah.

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    Nov. 11, 2011 1:30 a.m.

    >If a law isn't working

    It works when elected officials and law enforcement officers actually have the integrity to enforce it. You can cite a law that isn't being enforced and say it isn't working. That's a typical straw man argument.

    >or isn't moral

    Expecting people to have the decency and integrity to NOT invade a sovereign nation isn't moral? Apparently, "moral" doesn't mean anything anymore.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 2:29 a.m.

    What is with the entitled to everything right away, that those here illegally feel they are entitled to?

    And why do a group of people feel they are entitled to change our laws by ignoring them?

    Prodicus, people from Latin America get 36% of our green cards right now. That's preferential treatment.

    With our unemployment, and the federal government saying it's going to last for several years, we need our jobs. Guest workers are not needed, and agriculture visa's are unlimited.

    Amnesty doesn't stop illegal immigration. And the Utah compact ignores future immigration. It's not about compassion, it's about cheap labor.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 3:21 a.m.

    SB1070 is not a "tough, hateful" law. It the same as Federal law.
    Treating people illegally by raping, robbing, and beating like some countries, is harsh and draconian. Enforcing the law like sb1070 is moderate, and allowing people to break the law because we love them is liberal (or an excuse for an agenda).

    The Compact has nothing to do with legal immigration, it was carefully crafted mixing legal and illegal to get support. To this day no one has taken credit for it. I find that very telling.

    The Justice Department on Thursday urged the Supreme Court to stay out of a lawsuit involving Arizonas immigration law. What does that tell you?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 5:35 a.m.

    Greece and Italy are the gateway for Europe for illegal immigration. Greece is even building a wall. Is it any wonder they are going broke.

    I hear a lot of complaining on here about due process. Realize that when dealing with illegal aliens, Americans have no real due process. Whether civil or criminal court, there is no recourse for Americans if a judgment has been made. The person can just go back over the border. National news is reporting that the two missionaries killed in the hit and run in Texas were hit by a Mexican national. He was arrested trying to cross the border. If he had made it, he would not of stood trial for the hit and run.

    Countries all over the world deport people there illegally. Why can't America? Our deportation laws are the more humane and compassionate than other countries. I dare someone to find 10 industrialized countries that have more humane laws.

  • Bag Man POWDER SPRINGS, GA
    Nov. 11, 2011 5:47 a.m.

    @Prodicus "The ignorance and bigotry that have been displayed in many of these comments is positively appalling. Hopefully the racism and hatred that have hijacked so much of the Republican party will, as the article suggests, soon be seen as a passing fad."

    It is amazing to me that in the minds of so liberals that if you are against their perceived morality we are ignorant racists bigots. Great arguments for disobeying the rule of law.

    I do not disagree their needs to be changes in the immigration laws, but because I support the rule of the current laws makes me a bigot seems a bit narrow minded.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 5:52 a.m.

    Here is a list of work visas already available. Athletes, amateur & professional, nannys "B-1" Border Crossing Card: Mexico "BCC" (many use this illegally to work) Crewmembers "D" Foreign nationals with extraordinary ability in Sciences, Arts, Education, Business or Athletics "O" Intra-company transferees "L" Media, journalists "I" NAFTA professional workers: Mexico, Canada "TN/TD" Performing athletes, artists, entertainers "P" Physician "J ", "H-1B" Professor, scholar, teacher (exchange visitor) nanny "J" Specialty occupations in fields requiring highly specialized knowledge "H-1B" Students: vocational "F, M" Temporary agricultural workers "H-2A" Temporary workers performing other services or labor of a temporary or seasonal nature. "H-2B "

    Why do we need guest workers, they would already qualify for one of the established visas if there was need for their services.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2011 6:06 a.m.

    Re: NeilT | 10:44 p.m. Nov. 10, 2011
    "all undocumented immigrants are just here for welfare is ridiculous"

    The news is reporting that the hit a run driver who killed two Mormon missionaries was a Mexican National. They were unable to say if he was in our country legally.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Nov. 11, 2011 6:37 a.m.

    The laws in Arizona, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina all do one thing -- they make it illegal to even appear illegal which is why cooler heads prevailed in the courts and struck down those laws. Pearce's efforts went beyond trying to control illegal immigration and instead made it a detainable offense to appear illegal (i.e. hispanic). Alabama did the same, only worse, a person could be detained indefinitely without the right to a bond hearing if an officer had suspician someone was illegal. Can you imagine driving through Alabama with an accent and having forgotten one's license? This is the non-sensical bordering on prejudice type of laws that got Pearce in trouble. The laws simply went too far in trying to address illegal immigration.

    Far simpler would be e-verify with tax credits to small businesses for implementing. Take away the job carrot, and the Supreme Court has already said this is ok for states to require. Individuals with work authorization be they U.S. citizens, PRs or others with work authorization would have no fear.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Nov. 11, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    Coupled with e-verify, we can adopt some sort of work authorization for those who have been here a long time. The government for years tacitly welcomed those coming to work knowing it would benefit the economy. The government does not have clean hands.

    A compromise would be a conditional permanent residency for those here since Jan. 1, 2007, who show no more than 2 misdemenor and no felony convictions, pay a fine, and pay 3 years back taxes. After 5 years of this status, they can apply for regular permanent residency, if they show all taxes paid, and have obtained a GED equivalent, and good moral character for the 5 years. Finally, after 5 more years they can apply for U.S. citizenship. People taking this route would be barred from sponsoring any family members. I think such a solution or one similar would be a great boon to the tax rolls and we would have far fewer people living in the shadows. Let's start looking at the great majority of people who want to contribute as a potential benefit. Those who cannot comply will be easier to find and remove.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Nov. 11, 2011 6:53 a.m.

    A final comment is that it is currently not simple to immigrate legally. Those who most want to benefit the U.S. economy, the entrepreneurs have the hardest road to immigration. Simply google the start-up company in silicon valley who had his case denied despite employing many U.S. citizens. It was approved only after CBS ran a news story on it. Come to think of it Google's founder would have a difficult time immigrating at this time. Current quotas for exceptional ability Indian and Chinese individuals deemed to be in the national interest of the U.S. must wait 5-7 years before obtaining permanent residency, about the same time as a skilled cook or bricklayer.

    Even Senator Lee has introduced legislation to ease the red tape for these highly skilled immigrants.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Nonsence!

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Nov. 11, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    I had high hopes and childlike faith that Utah would set the example and lead out in finding state solutions to problems that belong to the state. I lost that faith for a while but once again believe Utah will set the example on health care, education, immigration and all of the other social ills. Utah is in a glass house whether it wants to be or not. And it is so because, in large part, of individuals living in other states who have Utah roots or at least ties to the LDS religion.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    Right now I count the number of citizens comments' in favor of enforcement at 47 here on DN. I count the number of trespassing advocates at 5.

    Maybe I'm stupid, but that makes me believe that legal citizens PREFER immigration laws are enforced. Contrary to what Mr. Shurtleff wants us to believe.

    @ "NeilT" I hope you understand that most illegal trespassers usually carry 2-3 sets of "i.d.". This allows them to receive benefits in a variety of illegal ways.

    "marcamus" Please provide DETAILS of ANYONE being deported who is a LEGAL CITIZEN of the U.S.
    I agree with you though that e-verify would be a good start on controlling illegal immigration. How would we KNOW they had been here since 2007? Sometimes illegal trespassers are LESS THAN TRUTHFUL if somebody asks them about details of their trespassing activities.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Nov. 11, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    @1 conservative:

    Google the term deported u.s. citizen and you will see examples. There was an especially eggregious case out of the Atlanta Immigration Court where a U.S. citizen who had severe mental impairment was deported. The ICE officers never reported his mental disability and the judge signed off on the deportation taking the opinion of the ICE officer. The individual did not have an attorney. My point is that if ICE officers can mess up a case so badly, how will a backwoods deputy from rural Alabama who may or may not have racist tendencies enforce correctly the law. The law stated an individual could be detained and would not be eligible for bond if the individual was suspected as being ilegal. The possibilities for mistakes and even abuse against those lawfully here was simply too great which is why the courts struck it down.

    E-verify would cause much greater self-removal without the danger of lawful residents being locked up.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    YES YES YES...The tide is definitely turning.....Gary Sumsion has just announced he will challenge the pro amnesty Gov Herbert in the GOP primary

    Let's hope Sumsion can defeat Herbert by a landslide.......Go Utah Delegates and fellow conservatives....send Amnesty Herbert to the U looking for a job with Shurtleff!

  • Bag Man POWDER SPRINGS, GA
    Nov. 11, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    @ marcamus "The laws in Arizona, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina all do one thing -- they make it illegal to even appear illegal which is why cooler heads prevailed in the courts and struck down those laws."

    CNN "Judge blocks key parts of Georgia immigration law ... "even after this ruling, 21 of the 23 sections of HB 87 will go into effect as planned," Olens wrote in a statement.

    I guess struck down means something different to you.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    @marcamus
    Police in the US have the right to detain anyone until their identity is proven. It's the law. If a person is driving without a license, they can run a check on them, or have a friend bring it to them. Here on a visa? they have to carry it with them at all times. Those laws were not struck down, only parts were blocked temporarily. Mostly because they took immigration enforcement from the Federal government.

    Unemployment is to high right now for visas for people here illegally. Since they broke laws, including working here (multiple felonies) they are not eligible for a visa or green card.

    Over a million people come here each year. We have no entitlement laws that allow people to come when they want. They have to wait their turn.

    Some in the government did look the other way and not enforce the laws. That does not take away their breaking our laws, there is no statue of limitations on illegal immigration.

  • Maggie Saint George, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    No AG Shurtleff the tide has not changed. You are trying to turn the tide ,but failing. You have gotten lost in the concept of social justice. Joining you in this quest is the LDS and Catholic Church . I am a Roman Catholic ,we invented social justice.You wonderful LDS folks are novices at the game of social justice and the guilt associated with with it. Do not go there! I moved to Utah a few years ago to escape the results of the social justice concept on a city and a region.I beg you to do what you have always done in Utah.Have a strong moral light and committment to your God,keep your families strong and obey the laws. No people I have ever lived among have ever been more committed to helping the human race,and you have done it all w/o the secular concept of of giving man a fish. You have followed the concepts of teaching a man to fish,an example of this is Deseret Industries. If you allow amnesty in this state,look at Ca, and many other states who blinked ,and their problems. Do not allow it!

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    I am pro-business and for free trade to export more US goods and services. Yet, I am called a liberal by "Bag Man."
    I need a two-year work visa to Brazil to sell my Utah goods or I need Brazilians to come here for 1-2 years to buy my Utah goods. But, I can't get the visa because of their reciprocity law; what the U.S. does to us we do to you. If we don't let workers in then we can't work there either. So, Brazil trades with my competitors in other countries. We are killing U.S. exports because of our fear of the world. Put, up a wall around us and we will starve ourselves.

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    What a bunch of nonsense. Illegal immigrants are criminals. Period. Law enforcement is the only way to deal with the problem. I find it very disturbing when people try to portray illegals as victims, as if they were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They come of their own free will and for their own benefit and they break the law to do it. Some will argue "They just want better lives for themselves". So what? Don't most people? The difference is that most people understand they do not have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that they find difficult to acquire by legal means. And they certainly don't have the right to do it in a foreign country. We should relentlessly enforce immigration laws and also cut off all taxpayer financed services, including education, to all illegal immigrants immediately.

  • Rocky Mtn Lady Columbus, MS
    Nov. 11, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    If Utah and any other State wants the Federal Government out of their business, Utah should stay out of Arizona's. Now the people in Utah can look forward to anothr influx of illegal immigrants to wear down their social and educational programs.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Have you read the Utah Compact? It does not condone illegal immigration. It protects legal visitors and citizens and gives all people their day in court.
    Asking people that look like immigrants, brown people, to have special documents at all times and can be asked for their documents without reason is not only a violation to legal people and brown US citizens but sets the US as a terrible place to visit.

    The Olympics asked people around the world to come to Salt Lake for a visit, great for Utah business, but be prepared to be watched closely by the authorities at all times and random searches.

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Canyontreker- You are horribly confused. Authorities cannot ask people for proof of citizenship or residency at random. The must have reasonable suspicion to believe that the person is here illegally before they can ask for ID. Example:
    Just having brown skin is NOT enough to arouse reasonable suspicion. However, sneaking across the border in the middle of the night is. Understand the difference?

  • ram83 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    Yea Majorie I believe you dropped the ball on the title big time. One person gets narrowly defeated and now no one wants immigration laws to be enforced? Riiiight. I speak Spanish fluently, have been to Mexico numerous times, love the language, culture, etc. However, even after all my liberal professors tried to brainwash me into thinking Hispanics/illegal aliens can do no wrong I finally came to the conclusion it's wrong to believe that you are superior to the laws and do not have to follow them.(no matter how good of intentions you have, support family, etc) I know most illegal aliens are good people but that's not the point. Just because you do not like the laws because you break them everyday and certain segments of society have made it easy to be here and work illegally does NOT change the fact that LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and my immigrant ancestry in IMO feel like they have been slapped in the face for waiting and waiting and waiting. Is that so hard to understand? Nothing ever seems to change. This is sad. Truly sad.

  • michaelitos Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    I'm continually shocked by the anger and vitriol spouted by many on these comment boards. So many cry for justice, which is fine. However, I remind you all, "with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matt 7:2)

    The bills that the Legislature passed last year went a long way to finding that delicate balance between justice and mercy on this difficult issue.

    I just wish Congress could do the same.

  • Bag Man POWDER SPRINGS, GA
    Nov. 11, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    @ Canyontreker 10:47 a.m. Nov. 11, 2011

    I do not know how you think because you want free trade that I am calling you a liberal.

    The topic is about illegal aliens coming into our country, unless that is what you want when you say free trade. Do you want the illegals here to work your business?

    We do need to change the laws to allow workers to come her legally, but when they choose to cross the borders without the proper work visas or or other documentation then it becomes an illegal act and that is what I cannot justify.

  • Kiyo Washougal, Washington
    Nov. 11, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    The tide is turning, but in what direction?

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    I actually don't mind the Utah Compact. I would even make an effort to sign it if it was actually productive. But it's nothing more than a group of wannabe's that have committed to inaction on our illegal immigration problems.

    I am not opposed to immigration--I'm opposed to illegal immigration. I have a right to know who my neighbors really are. No, not the new names they received through the "underground" Latino groups that channel tens of thousands of Latinos into Utah. No, not the names that appear with their stolen social security numbers so they can obtain jobs illegally.

    Come on in through the front door, tell me your real name, and I'm happy to receive you. It's easy to come to America legally...easier than most other countries! Even for migrant work!

  • Moderate Thinking Bogota, Colombia, AA
    Nov. 11, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    @ouisc

    "Immigrating legally to the U.S. is among the easiest immigration processes in the world."

    Unfortunately, this is absolutely not true. The immigration process to the United States is the most competitive, and the most difficult in the world. If you are not a "skilled" worker, immigrant visas will almost universally reject one's visa application. This is why so many end up immigrating illegally. Not because they prefer it to legal immigration. Generally, it is their only option.

    My source of knowledge: I'm a foreign service officer at a U.S. embassy. I am around the process every day.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    It is unnecessarily difficult to come to the "land of the free" right now. Our new laws regarding immigration are contradictory, unenforceable, unjust, and in some cases un-Constitutional. Why on earth would any liberty loving American howl for more laws like these?

    For the vast majority of us commenting on these boards, our ancestors came to these lands without a 15-year wait, a capped lottery, or bilking fees.

    This is relatively new in America, this widely believed lie that those lucky enough to be born here are entitled to liberty and that others should only come if they are already rich or skilled (in other words already blessed with the potential blessings of the 'land of opportunity').

    These popular ideas are founded upon the additional enervating prevarications about the scarcity of jobs and the necessity of our unfunded welfare state (that would work, the argument goes, if people would just stop coming here and proving how unscalable the system is ... those of us that are LDS should recognize that those same arguments work against having multiple children in families). Children and immigrants don't steal what's yours.

    I am grateful the LDS Church publicly supported the Utah Compact.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    NotBuyingit
    Exactly, in Utah you can not hassle people because of the way you look, thanks to the Utah Compact this story is being told.
    But, this was not the case in AZ until protestors changed the law. It is also not the spirit of the Alabama and Georgia laws.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    At BagMan
    The discussion is about the Utah Compact. I felt from your comment that you thought those that approved the Utah Compact were "liberals". The Utah Compact is about treating alleged aliens fairly. I care about the legal visitors and US Citizens of a different color to not be assumed as illegal. They should not have to walk about with extra documents to prove their legality.
    It is pro-business to open free trade and allow visitors to buy Utah goods and services while in Utah. Some will have to live here to represent their companies.
    I am surprised how many anti-immigration comments assume all immigrants are illegal. I hope law enforcement does not feel this way.

  • Maggie Saint George, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    @Razzle2
    Absolutely no one has said all immigrants are illegal! If you have ever traveled in other countries you know that you MUST have papers on you at all times. If you get stopped for anything, anywhere and if you open your mouth and do not sound or look like a native, they ask for papers to prove you have followed the laws of that country. I have never once thought that was wrong or racist. I was a guest in another country,I may have been there for work or vacation and never once thought they were wrong. This is an insane conversation that any of you do not believe people coming to our country should be exempt from our laws.It is not racist,it is not wrong.Did your parents never tell you about obeying laws and the reason for them? We do need to streamline legal immigration but not accept illegals. Americans have a right to know who is in this country and why,for our safety and economic well being. I want to be shown the same respect that I show when I travel to another country.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Nov. 11, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    The Salt Lake Chamber was talking about guest workers back in 2008. The Compact was part of an orchestrated attempt to retain their cheap illegal labor.

    @Canyontreker, over a million tourists from Brazil visit Florida each year. I don't understand your problem. They have a consulate in San Francisco with a website.

    We are going to have a lot of servicemen and their support people returning to this country. Illegal immigration is a non issue as they need the jobs.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    @Maggie
    I don't know how to be clearer. I don't care about the illegal immigrants. But to argue that visiting people have to have their documents at all times means that legal citizens need their docs too. If legal citizens look like immigrants they can be hassled for not having proof of legality. It is not a problem in Utah and the Utah Compact shows the rest of the US that is the case. But, in other states and by some of the comments here we want immigrants to have their proof of legality. So, even if you are a U.S. citizen you better be able to show your proof at all times in all cases. Not a nice country to live in or visit if you are different. And not a nice way to do business with the rest of the world. I am an International Business man. I am usually welcomed and encouraged to do with business with other countries. I want the same for the visitors that I invite here and for the Utah travel industry too.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 11:57 p.m.

    JBrady
    Sorry, but your figure is sooo old. I lived in Orlando when the Brazilians used to come to the US by the plane load and filled our hotels. The Brazilians are no longer able to come to the U.S. freely. The current administration is up to 120 days late in visas. They claim they need more money to keep up, but the total number of visas to the US has actually declined. Since 2008 the world travel has increased 26% while US export of travel, meaning International visitors to the US, has decreased 17%. Senator Lee has a new bill to streamline the visa interviewing process without spending more money. The Senators from Nevada have a bill to make the State Department responsible for the mismanagement of visas to the US. It is killing our business in Southern Utah and I expect it is affecting our ski business too.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Nov. 12, 2011 1:21 a.m.

    @Canyontreker, people here on a green card have to carry it with them at all times. Same with someone here on a visa. Americans are required to be able to prove their identity in a specific time frame. We have never had the right to lie to police about our identity, and walk away with out them checking it out. During the Vietnam war males over 18 had to carry their draft cards at all times.

    We have the right to know who is in our country.

    @Cowboy Dude, 2010, Florida had 1 million tourists from Brazil, look it up. There is 30 or so countries that do not need visas for us to visit, or for their citizens to visit us. All other countries require a visa. If the business just deals with Brazil, plan ahead and apply for the visa. We live in a global world, if your going to do business nationally, do it within the law. You can't expect the US and Brazil to change their visa laws just for you.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Nov. 12, 2011 1:29 a.m.

    The part of the law that was not blocked is still in effect. Arizona's people still support it. And it looks like the blocked portion will go before the Supreme court. The same Supreme court that ruled that Arizona was within it's right to make E-verify mandatory, and pull business licenses for hiring illegal labor, another of Pearce's laws. He ran into a buzz saw of retribution against Arizona for daring to enforce immigration law.

    Thinking the Utah amnesty compact had anything to do with it would be a stretch at the very least.

  • Kathleen3 WARMINSTER, PA
    Nov. 12, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    Pearce's recall was the final straw and the determining factor for reasons I absolutely, positively will not vote for a Mormon - any office from dog catcher to president.

  • Alfred Salt Lake, UTah
    Nov. 12, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    @CJ:

    "Bunch of baloney as usual,amnesty isn't going to fly this year, next year,or any other time."

    Amnesty will fly... in places like Arizona and California were the Hispanic population is significant to swing the vote. Then, like a cancer, it will spread to other states.

    It's becoming the eleventh hour for the US. We are in the throes of being taken over by our neighbor(s) to the south.

  • Miss Piggie Salt Lake, UTah
    Nov. 12, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    @The Rock:

    "'They work with the understanding that any children born here are not citizens.' Then what are they?"

    Of course they're citizens. But their illegal parents are not citizens and should be deported. If the illegals want their kids they should take them with them as they are tossed out. Otherwise the kids will become street orphans. Their choice.

    "You can't deport someone to another country unless they are citizens of that country."

    You can't enter this country unless you are invited/authorized.

  • wrz Salt Lake, UTah
    Nov. 12, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    @marcamus:

    "A final comment is that it is currently not simple to immigrate legally."

    We currently don't need any immigrants. We have 15 million unemployed Americans sitting home on their buttocks drawing billions in unemployment benefits.

  • wrz Salt Lake, UTah
    Nov. 12, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    @Canyontreker:

    "Asking people that look like immigrants, brown people, to have special documents at all times and can be asked for their documents without reason is not only a violation to legal people and brown US citizens..."

    Non-citizen visitors to the US must carry ID with them at all times while here. If visitors can't be asked to show ID then there essentially is no need for anyone to carry ID. Laws that are not enforced/enforceable under all situations are not laws.

    "... but sets the US as a terrible place to visit."

    If the US is a terrible place to visit, why do so many foreigners want to come here?

    "But to argue that visiting people have to have their documents at all times means that legal citizens need their docs too."

    What's wrong with that?

    "If legal citizens look like immigrants they can be hassled for not having proof of legality."

    If you look like an immigrant it'd be a good idea to carry ID... that is, unless you want to be hassled.

    "Not a nice country to live in or visit if you are different."

    You're welcome if you're legal. Else stay home.

  • Maggie Saint George, UT
    Nov. 12, 2011 7:58 p.m.

    @Canyontrecker
    One more time! Tell me what countries you go to for business purposes that you do not have to carry a passport and produce it upon request?
    I went through a red light in Ireland while negotiating a traffic circle and was asked for papers for my rented car and my Passport.I was also there for business purposes. Are you saying Ireland was racist? What is the difference if we do this in our country. I have only been stopped in my own country twice but I had to produce my license. I have to produce a picture ID if I write a check in the grocery store for over $100 . What is wrong with you people.It is not racist! In Germany I had to produce my passport before entering a museum with my German cousin,Canada needed my passport and I had to answer 10-15 questions re reasons for traveling there and for how long.Every European airport customs check does the same to some degree. I am sorry I just do not get it,and I was still able to conduct my business in an orderly fashion.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Nov. 13, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    In this recent election, it's been heartening to see some commonsense overcome extremism around this country.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Nov. 13, 2011 6:00 p.m.

    Wanting immigration laws enforced is only extremism to those that support the criminal behavior.